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#67. The Substandard Bootleg Episode
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Dudes Chatting — game shows, Battle of the Sexes, and American Made: The episode opens with an explanation of the audio disaster: the mixing board was misconfigured, forcing the hosts to shout throughout recording, giving the episode a rough, bootleg-tape quality. The cold open marks the deaths of Tom Petty and game show legend Monty Hall (at 96). Monty Hall's passing triggers an extended, enthusiastic game show discussion — The Price is Right, Press Your Luck, Let's Make a Deal, Match Game, and Tic-Tac-Dough are all covered, with the hosts debating formats, best hosts, and the era when game shows were must-see television. Vic argues he would have been a natural game show host. Sonny then reviews Battle of the Sexes (Emma Stone and Steve Carell) very negatively, calling it an "ABC after-school special" that flattens a genuinely complex story. JVL's bigger complaint: the film completely ignores the most compelling (and credibly reported) angle — that Bobby Riggs threw the match to pay off the mob. Discussion of American Made (Tom Cruise as Barry Seal) raises the broader question of how Hollywood handles true stories and its tendency to elide uncomfortable facts, which bleeds into a brief JFK digression.
Reviews: Sonny reviews Battle of the Sexes — very negative. Simplistic, preachy treatment of the Bobby Riggs / Billie Jean King story that ignores evidence Riggs may have thrown the match for the mob.
Box Office: It, American Made, and Kingsman: The Golden Circle finished in a near three-way tie at approximately $17 million each.
Spirit of the Week: Ukrainian vodka.
Corrections segment included.
Full transcript
Vic00:00:00Hello, and welcome back to another edition of The Substandard, brought to you by Casper Mattresses. I'm Victor Matus, along with Sonny Bunch and Jonathan V. Last. I'd like to remind you that The Substandard is available on iTunes, Google Play, and Stitcher. Just look on our podcast and search for Substandard. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, leave a review. In addition, we'd also like to remind you that Substandard show notes, posted by Jonathan Last, are often available on Fridays at 11 a.m. at weeklystandard.com. And please turn up the volume.
Sonny00:00:42Maybe. Yeah, you're shouting into the microphone. I mean, honestly, this is... I have to. We have no idea. Guys, we're just going to apologize. This is Sonny, in case you can't hear me, because the volume is low. We have no idea what's going on with our audio equipment. This morning, and if you can't hear this, well, sorry. This may be the last show.
JVL00:01:02We've been here for hours.
Sonny00:01:04Vic and I have been here for an hour waiting for this goddamn S to get going. So, I don't...
Vic00:01:10It's driving me crazy. Is it worth it? No. I don't know. So, this is how it is, I guess.
Sonny00:01:17It's on the microphone. No, we're not doing it on the microphone.
Vic00:01:18No, this is it. This is the vade. What are you talking about, Jonathan? It's Thursday.
?00:01:23Okay.
Vic00:01:24How are we? Other than that... JVL.
JVL00:01:27I just completed, this weekend, my first solo flight with all four kids.
?00:01:34Oh.
JVL00:01:35And what was it like?
Sonny00:01:37Where were you guys going?
JVL00:01:39We stayed home. I just meant that I was without my wife.
Sonny00:01:42Oh. Not an actual... You didn't actually go on an airplane with all four of them. That's what I thought when he first said it.
JVL00:01:48Yeah, I know. That's a... Hours in the cockpit. It's my first one without the instructor sitting in the seat next to me to make sure that I didn't crash the plane. And we went back to the Lego store.
Vic00:01:59Oh, boy.
JVL00:02:01Oh. Oh. Oh.
Vic00:02:02So I didn't do it.
JVL00:02:03I ended up teasing that I was going to get the ultimate home record edition of Millennium Falcon. I did spend a few hundred dollars on Legos because, for me, Legos are babysitting. Oh. And so the equation that you need to keep in mind is pretty simple. The math goes something like this. Legos retail... We're roughly 10 cents a piece. That's about your price average within a set. And my kids build at very different rates. So my oldest son does about 125 pieces an hour. My older daughter does about 80 pieces an hour. My younger daughter, much, much lower. She's like, you know, 40 pieces an hour. And so when you do all the math here... What rate do you do? Basically, I keep the baby from eating any... Any of the pieces and dying.
Sonny00:02:57No, no, no. I'm saying what is your hour? What's your rate?
JVL00:03:00I don't know. I haven't built a Lego set of my own in 40 years. 30 years. No, that's true. No, I don't...
Vic00:03:0630 hours, maybe.
JVL00:03:08So essentially, I looked at it this way, that I was going to get about $30 an hour of babysitting from the Lego store. And I was left on my own for 60 hours. And you can do the math.
Vic00:03:21That is a way to quantify it.
JVL00:03:23Thank God for the Danes.
Vic00:03:25Sonny.
Sonny00:03:26How are you? Great. Tom Petty's dead. That was...
Vic00:03:30That would have been an interesting micro-episode.
Sonny00:03:32Yeah, if we had done that, that would have been sad to talk about.
Vic00:03:35Were you a Tom Petty fan?
Sonny00:03:37I was a Tom Petty fan. I mean, I'm not like a huge... Tom Petty is like kind of the background noise of classic rock radio, which is like, makes him one of the 10 greatest musicians to have ever lived. Take that, Mozart. Piker.
JVL00:03:52Do you call him classic rock?
Sonny00:03:54Yes, Tom Petty is definitely classic. He is classic rock. By the time I was listening to rock and roll music on rock and roll radio stations, he was classic rock.
JVL00:04:02See, I wouldn't think of anything done in the 80s as classic rock.
Sonny00:04:05But this is... We had this argument when you were gone. We had this argument when you were gone with Michael Warren, when he was wearing your headphones. Not these headphones. Not these headphones. And, but like, classic rock is just a period of time. It is not a genre. It is music that is a certain number of years old that classifies as rock and roll music. One of these days... Fall Out Boy is going to be classic rock. And you're going to want to put a gun right in your mouth and pull the trigger.
JVL00:04:31People will be listening to Nickelback 40 years from now.
Sonny00:04:34As classic rock. Well, Nickelback...
JVL00:04:36Ben Sass will be sitting and rocking out to it.
Sonny00:04:38Nickelback actually makes sense as classic rock because it's kind of your basic, like, guitar, bass, drum, singer structure. I mean, it is actual, like, classic rock in the idea of what classic rock should be. I would say that Fall Out Boy is a much more controversial choice to be on. The Arrow 94.7. Do you remember The Arrow 94.2? That doesn't exist anymore. Now it's a...
Vic00:05:02WHFS doesn't exist anymore either.
Sonny00:05:04Everything doesn't exist anymore because we're old and we're canceling this dumb show. One day... We're friggin' done. I know.
Vic00:05:11So it's like, if anyone hears us right now, actually no one can hear anything we're saying.
Sonny00:05:15Tom Petty is dead and I'm sad. The show will be dead and I will be happy. And then we'll get on with all of our lives. Do other things. How was your weekend?
Vic00:05:23It was fine. I was going to say, with regard to Tom Petty, can you think of two movies that come to mind that had Tom Petty music? I can think of only two.
Sonny00:05:34Fast Times. Oh, that's three. I think there's American Girl.
Vic00:05:38Jerry Maguire. Very good, which was Free Fallen and I'll tell you the other one. Silence of the Lambs. The senator's daughter is driving and she's listening and singing and rocking out to American Girl right before she goes into the van.
JVL00:05:53Tom Petty stars in...
Sonny00:05:55The Postman? The Postman. But also King of the Hill. He was the... Oh, yes. He was like the... Basically as himself. Yes. He is Tom Petty in the post-apocalypse, which is great.
Vic00:06:06Also, a great video, actually, into the Great Wide Open. Do you remember the video?
JVL00:06:10Is that the one with Johnny Depp?
Vic00:06:12Exactly. Johnny Depp and the manager is... It was like in 1980. 91. Oh, wow. Is that that late? Yes. Yes, so they were... Apparently, they were on location doing a movie out in Arizona and then they were on hiatus, and so while that was happening, they agreed to do this video, and it was Johnny Depp and the manager, or the woman who becomes the manager, is Faye Dunaway, and the girlfriend was one of my favorites from back in the day, still is, Gabrielle Anwar. Do you remember her from Scent of a Woman? I remember her. She does the dance. She's tiny. She's tiny. You like the small ones? I'm not making a Colonel Boogie Nights joke. I'm not making that... I'm just saying. She's very small. She's small, but she was adorable. I have no idea how she looks like now, but she was great back then.
JVL00:07:00She was on the USA show. She was a co-star of a spy show.
Vic00:07:06Burn Notice? Burn Notice.
JVL00:07:07She was terrible. I would say she did not age well as an actress. She's still lovely to look at. She's a very attractive woman.
Vic00:07:15Okay, but she's not acting as well. She's fine by me.
Sonny00:07:19Has anyone been ruined by money? Has any actor been ruined by money more than Johnny Depp?
Vic00:07:23Oh, that's interesting. Because, you know, watch that video.
Sonny00:07:26He's great. He looks great. No, but Brando was the other one. I mean, it really is like...
Vic00:07:31And no coincidence that weren't they together in that movie together? Don Juan DeMarco?
JVL00:07:37Oh, Don Juan DeMarco.
Vic00:07:37They were in Don Juan DeMarco. That's right. They danced. Marlon Brando danced in the movie. Actually, the woman just danced around him. He just kind of stood there. He just stood there. Yes, yes. He just stood there. Here's another great little trivia in that video for Into the Great Wide Open. In the end, he goes back to the tattoo. He goes back to the tattoo parlor, but there's another young guy, like the up-and-coming guy, going to be the new rock star, getting his tattoo, and that guy was Matt LeBlanc. Oh, really? The things you do when you're watching videos in the morning at work. Okay. We work really hard. Very sad about Tom Petty.
Sonny00:08:14Tom Petty, who was dead, and then not dead, and then dead again. And then dead again.
Vic00:08:17I believe there were... That means there are only two traveling Wilburys left.
Sonny00:08:21Oh.
Vic00:08:21But I won't mention them by name, because I don't want to curse you. Please don't. People love Bob Dylan, so I'm not going to... Or Jeff Lin. People love him, so I'm not going to say a thing. Thank you, bastard. Okay. My weekend was... Vic, how was your weekend, Vic? Week and weekend was good.
Sonny00:08:36How was your week?
Vic00:08:37We took in a lovely baseball game on Sunday. Don't talk about it in there. Don't do this.
JVL00:08:42We had, like, a special, real, genuine moment together.
Sonny00:08:45Don't ruin it by making it into hashtag content. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You guys were together? Uh-huh. Outside of this room?
Vic00:08:53Outside of the studio. And it was so fun.
Sonny00:08:55You talked to each other? For hours. It was so great. For hours. You didn't save it for the show?
JVL00:09:00No.
Sonny00:09:00You didn't invite me? I don't even want to talk about it.
JVL00:09:02It was only for people with baseball-age children. Yes. Wow. Yeah, yeah. When Katie's a little bit older, and she's in a fantasy league, and doesn't care about sports, then she can come. Katie said to me, Daddy, watch baseball? Ah. To me, the other day. No.
Sonny00:09:16She doesn't like football. She prefers baseball. And did you tell her... She's an American. We don't watch... She's an American girl.
JVL00:09:20We only care about the fantasy sports.
Sonny00:09:23Well, I told her, I told her that, like, we could watch my fantasy stat tracker at Yahoo.com. Watch that instead. Yeah, just watch that instead. I mean, you don't want to watch the games. We'll watch the stat tracker. I'll turn on Sesame Street. You can watch Elmo, and then also keep an eye on your fantasy stat tracker, because that's really all that matters at this point.
JVL00:09:39Can you have an app where you run the fantasy stat tracker as the...
Sonny00:09:43As, like, the crawl underneath Elmo? You know what you have just come up with is a billion-dollar idea. Personalized crawls on TV for your fantasy team. Yeah.
Vic00:09:53Sonny, when you...
Sonny00:09:54I have a question. Sonny, serious question. Okay.
JVL00:09:57How old will Katie be when you feel comfortable introducing her to the concepts of gambling? Like, four?
Sonny00:10:07Five? How old... Well, I've never had a child before, so I don't know, but how old are children when they understand, like, the concept of money? I don't know. Is that, like, three or four?
JVL00:10:16It all depends on how you raise them. You choose. You're the parent. You are the godlike figure in her life. So, how... How old are you going to be before you start turning her into a degenerate gambler with you?
Sonny00:10:28I'm not a degenerate gambler.
JVL00:10:30I really only gamble... No, this is... You only care about sports, except the extent that they pay off for you.
Sonny00:10:37You know, if Sonny's not... I don't even really care about the money, is the thing. I just want to win.
JVL00:10:41I just want to win. It's not even the money. It's just the juice.
Vic00:10:44The action is the juice. It's the juice. No, you know, if Sonny's not a degenerate gambler, then I'm not a degenerate gambler either. By the way, my son... I explained to my son how craps works. He says, you said... You're a much more degenerate gambler than I am. And I said, you can say craps...
JVL00:10:59We're really up in the red now all of a sudden.
Sonny00:11:01No, we're not. We're all clutch. Nobody can hear us. It doesn't matter. This episode is never actually going to air.
Vic00:11:07Yeah, no. It's great. No, Michael had a... This is actually the episode that doesn't air. In math class, they were doing probability or something about how many times will this number show up. And I said, this is a great way, a great segue to explain, well, what number is going to come up, do you think, more often? Seven or twelve, you know? And then, you know, with two dice. And so, I explained that and he figured it out.
JVL00:11:28Did you roll a little bit?
Vic00:11:29I said, oh, yeah. They were like, you know, Clara is hoping that twelve comes up. And so I said, ah, Clara's going for horn bets. Thirty to one.
Sonny00:11:38Did you explain that yet? I didn't even know.
Vic00:11:40You got it. Otherwise, what's the point? What's the point? What's the point? What's the point? The good news is I actually won this week's NFL pool. I picked twelve out of sixteen right. Wow. Including Philly.
Sonny00:11:53How many did I get right? I don't even know. I don't know how many you got right.
Vic00:11:55I did my own tabulation. I had, I had bet. I'm not sure. It's enough that when I take the kids out for pizza, I might just get calamari, an appetizer or something. Very exciting. The, the last game that I had bet on that was make or break for me was last Monday night's game.
JVL00:12:14Oh, the Monday night.
Vic00:12:15The Monday night game of Redskins versus Kansas City.
JVL00:12:17The one.
Vic00:12:19Kansas City won. They were supposed to win by seven. I picked Kansas City.
Sonny00:12:24They spread with seven is what he, he's such a degenerate game. He doesn't even actually understand how to talk about. They were supposed to win by seven.
Vic00:12:31You know what I mean. That's what they're supposed to win by. And they were winning by three with four seconds left. And then the Redskins did the silly, you know, laterals. Hey, let's try to get the ball. And then the Kansas City guy picked up the ball, ran in for a touchdown, up by nine.
JVL00:12:45That is the worst bad beat. It is the worst. No, but that was a good beat. This ball was great for me. But whoever's on the other side of that. Oh, yeah.
Vic00:12:52Because it actually, it actually. The side of the over and under as well with that last four seconds. Some people were totally destroyed at that. Anyway.
JVL00:13:00Yeah, the NFL has no gambling problems going on with them. You look at those sorts of things, you think, yep, this league is on the up and up. Well, you know.
Sonny00:13:09None of these players know what the score is. It doesn't matter because none of them are going to remember it when they're called to testify in front of Congress. So what difference does it make? Brain damage. That's what I'm joking about.
Vic00:13:19Well, no one's going to hear this episode anyway.
Sonny00:13:21This is an ugly substandard episode. This is an ugly.
JVL00:13:24See, what people don't understand is that you have been sitting in the studio drinking for an hour before we even got on the mic. Yes, that's right.
Vic00:13:29Actually true.
JVL00:13:30Usually I'm a very happy drunk, but now I'm just. That is not true. I have never been around you when you were drunk and you were happy.
Vic00:13:37Oh, I have. He smiles more when he's drunk.
Sonny00:13:39I'm usually actually a very, very happy drunk. No, this is true.
Vic00:13:42Touchy feeling. It's true. It's true. Yeah. Anyway.
JVL00:13:48Kurt Dengler over here.
Vic00:13:50Okay. I had, you know what? It's more wrestling humor, but I'm going to get to it. Yes. Yes, totally. I had a segue, and now it's gone. I was going to say I won Game Over, and speaking of Game Over, Monty Hall died last week. No one's listening to this. I don't understand. I'm telling you.
Sonny00:14:07I don't understand this reference.
Vic00:14:09So Monty Hall.
Sonny00:14:10You guys are really going to have to carry this. Yes.
Vic00:14:11Monty Hall died last week from the host of Let's Make a Deal. Is that me on mute or you on mute? It's you on mute.
Sonny00:14:19Are you sure about that? You can't hear me, can you?
Vic00:14:21I hope so. I can still hear you. That's true. Monty Hall died last week at the age of 96. He was the host of Let's Make a Deal.
JVL00:14:30I was shocked he was still alive.
Vic00:14:31It's surprising. It's surprising. JVL, were you, I imagine not now, obviously, because we're too busy, but growing up, were you a game show person at all? Did you like watching game shows as a kid?
JVL00:14:42As a young child, I would carry a blank 3x5 index card with me, and I would keep it in my pocket, and when I was dragged around to go shopping, I would walk up to whatever it was. A jacket, whatever, and I would pull the card out, and I would say, the actual retail price is, because I was so into the price. Did you really? I was.
Vic00:15:03Did you really? That's impressive.
JVL00:15:06I'm really, really into game shows as a kid, and as were you, I believe.
Vic00:15:12Oh, I was a game show freak.
JVL00:15:13I have to say, I don't know why, but I always had, and this is just like pure class consciousness, I hated Let's Make a Deal. I thought of that as the married with children style, lowest calm denial.
Vic00:15:29Wait, is that to debase yourself kind of a thing?
JVL00:15:32Yes, I did not think of that as a high class game show, like The Price is Right. I thought of that as a garbage game show for people on welfare.
Vic00:15:39Yes, Sonny.
JVL00:15:39Can I ask a question?
Sonny00:15:40Because I never, I will be honest, I don't think I actually knew that this was a real television game show until I was like 25 or something like that. I always thought it was like kind of a joke, like a, like a, like I'll buy that for a dollar, like RoboCop or whatever. Like I thought it was like a joke TV show, but like, and then I turned it on one day and I saw people in costumes. Yes. Yeah, you could dress up in the audience.
JVL00:16:03People in costumes going up to doors and getting crap.
Sonny00:16:10Let's see what's behind door number three. And I, my mind was literally blown. I was just like, well, not literally, but figuratively blown.
JVL00:16:16But it was, I was like, we'll take door number three and there's a toilet.
Sonny00:16:19Right, no, but I just, I couldn't, I could not believe that this was a real thing I would like had thought for so long that it was fake, but it was like a joke.
Vic00:16:27Big box or small box. You got to choose a small box, right? It's always like small boxes. This, that ticket to Hawaii, big box.
Sonny00:16:35Could you explain to me what the point of this show was? Just explain to me the rules of the game, the rules of the game.
JVL00:16:41I forget, I could barely remember stage, but once you were up on stage, you were presented with a series of deals. So, you know, Monty Hall would give you item X and that was your prize, or he would offer you something else. And the else was always something that was right in my, about right there. It was either something good or worse.
Sonny00:17:00I always thought it was a skill, but we wouldn't know. You would have to go through a door.
JVL00:17:04Door number, like, so when things would be hiding behind the doors, you could take this box of Purina Kachow, or we could see what was behind door number two.
Vic00:17:12It was not my favorite game show either. But I mean, like if I chose, like if I, if I could watch, if I could watch
JVL00:17:18McHale's Navy, that's not my kind.
Vic00:17:22No, no, no, no, no, no. What was your favorite? Favorite, um, game within the game of Price is Right, JVL. If you could play any of them, what would it be?
JVL00:17:29I, I love so many of them. I really dug, and this is, of course, there's no real reason for this. I like Plinko. Well, everyone's favorite game is Plinko. Because of the sound. Yes, yes, yes.
Vic00:17:41Mine would immediately, anyone can play Plinko. Mine would take an immediate detour, extremely to like the right and then gone. You know, it would just, you know, I could never make it through. I was, I was most fascinated. Wait, wait, wait.
Sonny00:17:54Are you, are you imagining, like, how it would go for you in your head right now? You're like, I would drop it, and it would go straight to the...
Vic00:18:01Yes, chaos theory. All right, Ian Melvin. Thank you very much. Uh, I loved watching Cliffhanger, the yodeler, go up. Yes! It's a complicated game, though. It's a hard game to win. Right?
JVL00:18:14I love you, I love you, I love you.
?00:18:15Right?
Vic00:18:16Lovely, that's exactly the song.
Sonny00:18:18That was fantastic.
Vic00:18:19Punch Out. And most people were always...
Sonny00:18:20Punch Out was good. Remember Punch Out? Yeah, Punch Out. Yeah, to get the... To get the three parts of the car.
Vic00:18:25Oh, right, yes, that's right, that's right, that's right. And the other one is, if you made it, like, near the end, it was the giant wheel.
JVL00:18:31The wheel, the huge wheel.
Vic00:18:32Did you imagine... I always imagined that it was extremely heavy. Didn't you imagine? I mean, it looked extremely heavy.
JVL00:18:39I always wanted to go up to it and just spin it as hard as I could to see how long it would go for.
Vic00:18:43Yeah, right, absolutely. It always amazed me. You would watch and you'd think, God, you can spin faster than that, can't you? Because you'd want... I mean, the urge to just pull it down, you know, was just that sort of a thing.
JVL00:18:53There was a great piece a couple of years ago, I'll put this in show notes, about a guy who hacked The Price is Right. Oh, yeah. Did you remember this?
Sonny00:19:01He got the showcase showdown perfect, right?
JVL00:19:05And he would go into the audience then and would, like, signal people from the audience just as a... Because he would come to The Price is Right all the time and he had everything memorized. It was basically banned, like a card counter. Wow.
Vic00:19:20That's so impressive. That's so impressive. There are two other things. I thought, for show notes, one of them is The Price is Right moment where the woman comes down and her top comes off. That's a good one.
JVL00:19:33You don't have to send me these.
Vic00:19:35They blur it and Bob Barker said something like, he says, now I know you like me, but I didn't think you really liked me or something like that. And that was very charming. And the other one, of course, JVL, was the newlywed game, the infamous newlywed game episode. I don't have to get you to bleep it. So I'll just dance around it. When Bob Eubanks asks, where specifically is the weirdest place that you personally, girls, have ever gotten the urge to make whoopee? Like, you know, car, movie, theater. And she picked Body Part.
JVL00:20:08Oh, I wonder what part she picked.
Vic00:20:11I don't know. I never made it to the end. Anyway.
JVL00:20:14Can I introduce a little bit of... He's shaking his head. Is he unmuted? I'm unmuted. He's unmuted, yeah. A little bit of... Classifications here. To my mind, there are two types of game show hosts. Okay. There are the gentleman hosts, like your Pat Sajaks, Alex Trebek, Bob Barkers.
Vic00:20:32Yeah.
JVL00:20:33Then there are your sleaze hosts.
Vic00:20:34Your raconteurs. Those are my favorite. I don't even...
JVL00:20:37Bob Eubanks, Richard Dawson, and the king of all of them, Monty Hall. Oh, wow. Monty Hall? Really? Wait.
Sonny00:20:45He is more of a sleazebag than Richard Dawson?
JVL00:20:48I thought of him as his persona. I'm not passing judgment on his life. So, look.
Sonny00:20:53I'm just... His game show persona. So, I guess I say this as somebody who literally never watched The Dumb Show and has no idea what he was like as a host. But, like, my enduring image of Richard Dawson is, like, groping women on stage and...
Vic00:21:09No, he just kissed all the ladies.
Sonny00:21:11Kissing them on the face.
Vic00:21:12He kissed every woman on Family Feud.
JVL00:21:14Especially the old ones, too.
Vic00:21:15Oh, he loved them. Kissed on Family Feud, but remember, he was also a long-time panelist for Match Game. Which is my other favorite game show. You know? My wife likes to take bleep in her bleep, and then you have to put the bleep in. A blank. I'm sorry. Blank. That's my kind of game show.
JVL00:21:34How do you pay cash and money to go back in a time machine and have you and Kate together on Match Game?
Vic00:21:41Oh, to do Match Game is great. Opposite each other? Yeah. See if we can get the same... Sort of try to see if we can get the same answers. She'd have to think what my answers were. That's very newlywed-like. But, no. Yeah. Go ahead.
JVL00:21:53Can I get from you guys a top three ranking of either game shows or game show hosts? Sure.
Sonny00:22:01Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Number one, Family Feud. Specifically, the Steve Harvey feud. Oh! Because I love how... There's a fantastic video. I'll send it to you for show notes, JBL, of him kind of experiencing... Oh, he does the whole thing. ...on Wii as it... But, anyway, it's like a... It's a... Anyway, it's fantastic. Number two is Press Your Luck. I love it. I just love it. There's, like, the... Yes. No whammy, no whammy, no whammy, no whammy. Stop!
JVL00:22:31And there's the guy who hacked that.
Sonny00:22:32And there's the guy who hacked that and, like, went on a multi-month winning streak. Hundreds of thousands of dollars.
JVL00:22:37I saw that in, like... You watched that in real time? In real time, I caught, like, three-quarters of the way through. Right. I didn't get to the end of it. Do you know how many whammy animations there were? I don't know. Ten. Eighty-five. Wow, that's impressive. A lot of them. That's a lot of whammy. What I love, what made that game show work for me was the whammy's voice.
Sonny00:22:57We got all your money!
Vic00:23:01You don't remember the whammy's voice? Exactly. You try to play at home, though, and, like, if I did it right now, what would it be? You know, that's the thing. Okay, go ahead, Sonny.
Sonny00:23:10At number three, Jeopardy.
Vic00:23:12That's smart. Jeopardy's a great game. Jeopardy's great.
JVL00:23:14Jeopardy's great. Victorino?
Vic00:23:17Hosts. I'll do hosts. I know where you're going with that. Okay, number three.
JVL00:23:21If you and I were on Match Game...
Vic00:23:22Yeah, I know. Number three, I'll say, you know, Wink Martindale.
JVL00:23:27Wink.
Vic00:23:28I love Wink Martindale. He was actually a radio DJ and a good friend of Elvis Presley's, and it didn't occur to me until years later that even then he had a hairpiece on, and his wardrobe by Botany 500. Tic-Tac... Botany 500! You like that? Tic-Tac-Dough, by the way, it was like the game for imbeciles, you know, because it's like... That would not be very smart. No, no, okay. That'd be Card Sharks. Yes. Okay, yes. I'm going up or down. You're either going up or down. You're either going up or down. I'm going up or down.
JVL00:23:53It's the game for idiots.
Vic00:23:55Either way, what are you going to do?
JVL00:23:56You don't even have to be able to read every Card Shark.
Vic00:23:57No, pictures, numbers.
Sonny00:23:59Every once in a while, I see like a replay of Card Sharks, and I'm like, this is literally for retarded people.
Vic00:24:04This is... The Tic-Tac-Dough would be like, okay, and the question is, he was our first president of the United States. We'll let you think about it. Wah, wah. And then the other thing was when you had to pick the dragon. Don't pick the dragon.
JVL00:24:21The dragon, I forgot about the dragon. It was like an 8-bit character.
Vic00:24:24It was an 8-bit character, and it was usually number 5.
Sonny00:24:28Is Tic-Tac-Dough like a dumber version of Hollywood Squares? I don't... What was...
Vic00:24:32No, there's more based... You're not dealing with celebrities at all, though. It's just asking you straightforward questions, and then if you get through that round of trivia, then you have to pick... You have to get to $1,000 based on nine television screens, and you have to pick numbers, get a ticker attack, get to $1,000, and avoid the dragon.
JVL00:24:52I don't want to sound like a child, like a knave. Do we think that bonus round with the dragon was on the up-and-up? I don't know.
Vic00:25:03I mean, do they ever switch where the dragon's going to be? I don't know.
JVL00:25:05Was the dragon really pre-programmed into one slot and one slot only? That's a great question. Or did the producers just, yeah, give him the dragon?
Vic00:25:11Yeah. Oh, she's really cute. Let's, you know...
JVL00:25:13Let's look. We want her to get nine boxes first before she gets to the ten boxes, and then we'll give her the dragon. Right, right. Do we think that was on...
Vic00:25:19I have no idea.
JVL00:25:20How much certification was going on in this? This stuff, post...
Vic00:25:24Post-Quiz Show in 21, whatever. I have no idea. I have no idea. So that's number three. Number two, Richard Dawson. I like that sort of sleaziness. It's right up my alley. And one, Gene Rayburn, Match Game. I love the skinny mic he would have, and, you know, it's very hard... The skinny mic.
JVL00:25:41And the way they hold it like this. Yes. With four fingers out. Very good. That's right. When you never bow around your fist, the skinny mic is always held four fingers out.
Vic00:25:48And what's a hard job is you're dealing with ridiculous personalities. You're dealing with ridiculous personalities as your guests on the panel. There's like six guests. Charles Nelson Reilly, you know, Brett Summers. Brett Summers was, you know, married. Yeah, you know, those type of people. And... Showcase Showdown.
JVL00:26:04Charles Nelson Reilly or Rip Torn. Pick one. Charles Nelson Reilly. Sonny? I have no strong feelings either way. Wasn't there a documentary about Charles Nelson Reilly?
Vic00:26:14Yes, there was. There is also a great episode clip on YouTube of Match Game. Gene Rayburn. And all of a sudden, who walks on the set? Carol Burnett, Tim Conway, and, you know, the woman from Mama's Family. I forget her name already. And they walk on. Surprise everybody. Carol Burnett. They go crazy. And Jim Neighbors. And they go crazy. And because, you know, they're filming Carol Burnett's show, Next Door. And they just decided to walk on the set in the middle of the taping. All coked out of their minds. People went crazy. And, of course, Richard Dawson has to jump out and be the show and kiss Carol. You know, it's a whole thing because he's... He's got to be the center. Not that I spend much time obsessing about these things. But that's all I have for you.
?00:26:57That's great.
Sonny00:26:58Okay. Good job, guys. Vic Matus, of course, missed his calling as a game show host. You would have been. You would have been. I would have loved.
Vic00:27:04I would have loved.
Sonny00:27:06A star on the Walk of Fame. I mean, honestly, you would have been one of the greats. Thank you. You would have been. We could maybe still make that happen. Good. In this internet video age.
Vic00:27:15Use your connections, as they say. I don't have any. You have tons. JVL, did you give us your ranking already or no?
JVL00:27:22No. No, I don't really. I don't have a ranking. This was perfect. What? Okay. No, you guys did. You guys did. Like, I can't improve on what you boys just did. Also, no one's going to hear this.
Vic00:27:31Yeah, it doesn't matter. Which means I'm just going to jump to the next topic. Now, over the weekend, Stephen King's It battled it out with American Made and Kingsman, the Golden Circle, for the top spot at the box office. I think it edged ahead with 17.3 million, and American Made and Kingsman did about 17 million, so it's pretty close. Uh, but not in this battle, ironically, it's Battle of the Sexes.
Sonny00:27:57Well, I think it's still limited, so I don't think it's really in the... It's in 3,000 theaters, I saw that. Oh, it's in 3,000 screens already?
Vic00:28:02That's what I saw on Box Office Mojo. It did 3.4 million. Sonny, you saw it. What did you think?
Sonny00:28:09I, uh, I can't believe anyone is taking this movie seriously. I literally cannot believe it. I, I, you know, it made the festival rounds, and it was, it was getting relatively solid notices. I think it's 85% fresh. I think it's 85% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes or something. And it is, it is a goddamn travesty. I mean, it is like, uh, it is like a, uh, ABC after-school, it is shot with all the care and love of an ABC after-school special. Like, you know, the camera's always pushing in on the important moments, and it's kind of gauzy, and it's got this great message about, you know, how sex and freedom are linked. I, it, like, it is, so it's, it's the story of Billie Jean King versus Bobby Riggs, uh, and it is... Like, it, it, I, I feel weird complaining about it being anticlimactic, since, you know, we all know what the, the, the score was going in, but it is still weirdly anticlimactic. It is, like, totally uninteresting, it is totally dramatically inert, it is filled with these cartoon characters, including Bobby Riggs. Steve Carell plays him as this kind of, like, man-child who can never grow up, which is, like, not untrue to the Riggs, uh, of real life, but is also, like, a very uninteresting way to play him, and there was a more interesting way to do that, I think we can, I think we're gonna talk about that more a little bit later, um, but it is, it is, once again, it is just this, it's a movie that is, like, totally, uh, uh, totally uninteresting, and, and, and boringly shot, and, like, kind of Hamill-y acted, and I am, the only reason anyone is claiming to like this movie is because it has a very important message about female empowerment. I mean, I really... It really feels like a parody of, like, these kind of woke, you know, let's, let's do it ladies type movies. I was about to say woke. It's like, I'm totally... I was about to say woke. I'm, I'm like, I cannot, usually film critics are a little bit better about sniffing this sort of thing out, and putting it in, like, the 50s, they are, they are, they are, they are better than this, and they're, you, a movie like this would usually be in the 50 to 60 range, and I don't know how it has slipped through the, the, the cracks to, to be as, as well received as it has been, because it's bad. Don't go see it. Don't go see it. Wow.
JVL00:30:25Did you fall asleep during it, Sonny?
Sonny00:30:28I did not. I did not fall asleep during it. Did you?
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Vic00:32:57Nicely said, JVL. Nicely said. Good transition. I'm trying to be encouraging. You've got to be encouraging.
JVL00:33:03I think we've got to bring professionals back in on this.
Vic00:33:06JVL, we were talking before about Battle of the Sexes, and the movie left out a key detail, didn't it?
JVL00:33:14Yeah. So this has been a bugaboo of mine. Don Van Natta Jr., who is a real-deal investigative reporter, did a piece. He did a piece a few years ago for ESPN The Magazine, and it was, I don't know, 5,000, 8,000 words, and he proved basically definitively that the match was fixed. Bobby Riggs, who was a degenerate gambler, was in deep with the mob, and they leaned on him to go into this match, to do the match, and to throw it, so that they could clean up on betting, because the line was wildly skewed. Connected even a tiny bit with this match today. Absolutely now accepts the fact that it was fixed. Except for? Except for Billie Jean King. And one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen, as I've said before on the show, I hate Billie Jean King. She is a shrew. In this piece, when Bonetta comes and talks to her, the way she clings to this victory is the most embarrassing thing I have ever seen from a washed-up, broken-down, former professional athlete. And she deserves everybody's scorn for this. The way that she refuses to acknowledge the truth of this. Because, of course, what does it cost her? The name of the freaking National Tennis Center in America is named for her, who is never anything more than a very good player. We've had Pete Sampras, we've had Arthur Radley, all these great players, but Billie Jean King, because of this, this stupid match, it occupies this exalted position of the tennis firmament, and it's ridiculous. And the fact that this movie doesn't even attempt to engage So, it is, it's fascinating. in the most important thing. And, again, let me, to people who don't follow tennis and don't understand tennis, this is not something, this is not something that was a blockbuster. What was a blockbuster was that Banana actually went out and found proof, and found a bunch of people, tied to the mob, were part of this, and they talked to him. People who follow tennis, this always looked fishy. And the reason it looked fishy is because, like, three months before the match, he had slaughtered Margaret Court. Margaret Court, one of the great tennis players of all time. And I believe he beat her one and love. Not quite that well. One and three. Two and three. Something like that. Two and one. Two and one, I think. Blew her off the court. And to have that to go, you know, what, 16 weeks later, to get crushed, like, Billie Jean King, who could not carry Margaret Court's jock. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
Sonny00:35:57So, the movie does a series of, like, vaguely grotesque things. It, like, turns Margaret Court into this, like, right-wing Christian coalition, like, I hope she loses because she's a lesbian-like figure. I mean, it's actually, like, vaguely grotesque. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. You should actually see it. You should actually see it. This makes angry JVL want to come out. You should actually see it just so you can get angry at this movie.
JVL00:36:20Do people understand that Margaret Court, is one of the three greatest women's players ever?
Sonny00:36:25Yeah. Not if they've watched this.
JVL00:36:27The conversation is Margaret Court, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams. That's it. There's no one else even in the discussion. Never to look. I don't think so.
Sonny00:36:37I think she's in the discussion. No. She's four. She's a solid four. But, like, you should actually see it just because you will, like, you might actually throw things at the screen in the movie theater. Hulk smash! I like Jennifer Capriati.
Vic00:36:51I think she's in the top three.
JVL00:36:54But the... Jennifer Capriati. So, there's... Not Matthew Perry, Jennifer Capriati.
Vic00:37:01Sorry. Please, Sonny. Continue.
Sonny00:37:05There is... So, I am, like, slightly less than 100% sure that Bobby Riggs was, like, in deep to the bob and threw it on purpose. I, like, I think the investigative report that JBL talks about is very interesting and it's, it's filled with interviews and sort of things, but it's also kind of based on one or two guys who are like, yeah, that probably happened. I'm, like, I'm not 100%. But here's the thing. It makes Bobby Riggs a much more interesting character to have him, instead of being this kind of man-child who is just bored at work and he's bored with his rich wife who is, like, keeping him in luxury and he's, like, playing with his children and stuff, and instead turns him into a guy who's looking for an edge to get out of trouble like, would make him a real person in this movie to have him be in Hawk to the Mob and have to go out there and figure out a way to get an edge. And there's even a way to do it in the movie. Like, the movie actually talks about his gambling. It talks about how he was, like, hustling guys on courts and, like, was, like, trying really hard to get the first match with the court set up because he couldn't get a match with Billie Jean King is how it's kind of framed. Who knows? I have no idea how true that is. But, like, but the, the... So then, you have this guy who is, like, going to gamblers anonymous meetings as Steve Carell and Steve Carell saying, like, you guys don't... You're not addicted to gambling. You're, you're not here because you're, you know, you're, you're sad because you gamble too much. You're here because you're bad gamblers. You're here because you lose. You're here because you don't have an edge. And if the movie had been about him trying to find an edge to become a better gambler, it would have been a million times more interesting. It would have been, it just would have been a much more interesting film. And even if, so even if you don't believe, even if you don't believe that, that Bobby Riggs was on the take, was on the make, was in Hawk to the Mob and had to do it, as a screenwriter, it is basically malpractice not to use that to make the story better. Because guess what? True life stories don't have to be true. Like, this is the thing with American Made. Now, American Made is, is a story. So American Made is about, uh... Good transition.
Vic00:39:17Good transition into...
Sonny00:39:18Thank you. Uh, uh, he, he, it stars, Tom Cruise, as a guy who was, you know, supposedly spying for the CIA and then running drugs on his own and then sending arms to the Contras and kind of all of this work together with the kind of wink and a nod from the government except for when they were actually giving him the arms to send to the, to the Contras. Uh, and it's all bullshit. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a nonsense story. Kyle Smith has kind of, uh, over at National Review has laid out how, the ways in which this movie is wrong and is, like, more or less a slander on, uh, uh, uh, Reagan and, and the, and, and H.W. Bush and those guys and, and fine. Like, I actually don't care about that because it's a more or less interesting story. It's a more interesting story to have him be, uh, the, the kind of CIA hatchet man, bag man running around, going, dropping things off here, taking them there. It is just, like, it is a more interesting movie. And, you know, I don't expect it to be true life. I don't expect it to be a well-researched biography. This is not a, uh, a document that people should be taking, uh, into, uh, into their, you know, U.S. history classes and citing as source material. It's just a movie. And the fact that you have something like that that could have been done with Battle of the Sexes and that they chose not to do it because the more important story here is the push for women's equality and you can't possibly have him throw the match because then it puts into doubt her, all of her successes is so, it's so frustrating and so ludicrous that I, like, I get angry just thinking about it. JBL.
JVL00:41:21Which brings up the John McEnroe controversy, right, JBL? The truth is, they can't compete in any way. I mean, if Serena or Venus Williams had been on the men's tour, they might have been competitive with a top thousand player.
Sonny00:42:02Let me ask you a question. If you gave Serena Williams a number one seed in a mid-level tournament, not Wimbledon or anything, where she's going to be playing 128th best player in the world or whatever. Like the Lake Mason one here in Washington, D.C. Do you think she would take a set?
?00:42:19No.
JVL00:42:20I mean, just no. And she said this to herself this year. There was somebody was, I forget who it was, pushing the idea that she and Andy Murray should play each other. And what late night show was it? Was it Colbert or one of the late night shows she was on and she was asked about it. And she laughed. She said, if I were to play Andy Murray, the match might last 10 minutes and I would be lucky to get a point. She said, you don't understand. Like the games are different. You don't understand how fast those guys are. You don't understand how much. The spin they hit with. I mean, even the serve. So people are like, oh, well, she hits the serve 112 miles an hour. A lot of guys only pop their second serves in at 112 too. See? But that's not. There's so much more going on than the speed. Well, this is the angle and the spin on the ball. People who don't play tennis don't understand this.
Sonny00:43:08And this is also a function of watching tennis on television as opposed to watching it in person. Like I remember David Foster Wallace was talking about how the difference between watching a match in person and watching it on TV is like the difference between sex and watching porn. It's like it's it's like it is just it's so you you don't have any conception of how fast things are and how quickly they're moving and how much the spin is. And, you know, it's like it's it's kind of like, have you ever watched a courtside? Have you ever watched an NBA game courtside? I it totally rejiggered my conception of the whole game. Watching watching a game courtside, just like they are. They are monsters and they're moving down the floor. The guys are seven feet.
Vic00:43:51Because they're all because they're all similar heights and they're moving and they're moving down the floor.
Sonny00:43:56You know, they're taking like six steps and they're all the way down the court. I'm just like, what? I was it was it was like it was a real it was a real like kind of change in how I saw the sport.
Vic00:44:05And there's so much and the intensity of I mean, you can you can feel it here, the breathing, the looking and where is everybody at? I mean, it's it's just so much more intense.
JVL00:44:14And it's even from the leap from Division one college basketball to that, just in terms of the speed at which the game moves. That is really something. I mean, the ball just the passes go faster. And all this is is true about tennis as well. And I just I don't blame Serena for any of this, really. Frankly, I blame Nike a little bit for running a stupid ad saying that she's the best, best women's player ever. And they erase the women's best player. She's not.
Sonny00:44:37And also, I blame I blame the people who are trying to go McEnroe and the others into saying, like, the only reason this keeps coming up is because people keep asking McEnroe, like, well, I mean, you're wrong about Serena, right? Like she could she could definitely. Like, beyond the men's total. Yeah. And he has to. And like the you know, it is a very 1984 sort of thing. Like they are trying to force him to, like, say something he does not believe in order to get him to conform to the, you know. Anyway, so this is a long story short. This is thanks. Thanks. Battle of the sexes. Thanks.
JVL00:45:09And again, I would say my my hatred of Billie Jean King. Not at all. Like, well, who I don't even especially like. I really respect the hell out of Serena Williams. I genuinely love Venus.
Sonny00:45:18Well, Serena is like legitimately one of. I don't see how you could not say she's the best women's player of all time.
JVL00:45:25I mean, I do think that she is better than court. I would say the one one a probably Serena and then Steffi and then court would be my ranking. But I would not go crazy with anybody ranking differently. The tragedy of Serena in a weird way is that she had a bunch of years right in the middle of her career where she basically just took off mentally. Like she was not she was interested in fashion. Not if she had if she had had the same. Drive the whole time that Graf had then who knows and then there's the other uncomfortable question about Serena. Which nobody ever talks about which is whether or not she?
Sonny00:46:04I I don't know.
JVL00:46:07So look this is again. This is something everybody in the tennis world Totally sees and just looks away from nobody. Nobody wants to know the answer. It is not normal for people. If this happened in baseball. In the steroid era in baseball, everybody knew that players players don't get that good at age 40, you know What is that? People don't go in their late stages of their career when everybody else for 80 years in the game from breaking down Suddenly they're hitting more home runs than ever and they are exceeding the highest home run totals ever hit by 10%
Sonny00:46:40My understanding is that Serena has been on a very good Skinless chicken, low weight high rep diet. So I'm not I don't want to I don't want to get into that
JVL00:46:50But like I said Serena, not my cup of tea, Venus Fantastic. I mean, have we talked about this on the air before the Venus interview at the no So she's the Australian Open in 2009 and she plays on The day that Obama's being inaugurated and after the match She's giving her first press conference and reporter after reporter after reporter is trying to get her to gush about Obama And you know was it hard for you to be out there today and not be home? Your heart must be and she was like what I don't understand the question And they're like, well, you know the big events back in America. It's like what what's happening in America? I don't you know I'm on Australia time. I don't know, you know, the first African American president. She's like, oh, yeah, I guess So they keep pushing pushing her and she eventually says Look, you know, I'm a Jehovah's Witness. We're not really into politics And I just hope that the best person wins and I really hope that whoever is president does a good job just I have never seen a professional athlete of any stripe be so just great about this
Sonny00:48:01She's awesome. Yeah, too bad. Nobody will hear us talking about this Yeah, frankly, so look at look at those do look at those look at that sine wave over there We got like and then I no one's gonna hear this. So you'll notice who's been doing little less talking in
Vic00:48:18You guys have been going on forever I didn't know where you just I just continue on we're done. Actually now here's the show's over I got Xena Garrison's autograph. Remember her? I do remember Xena. She was a great average She was the woman who finally brought down. I think Chris Everett when she retired or something like that Oh, she beat Chris ever. It was like on the line who was gonna beat her on her last run
JVL00:48:42And I think it was her passing of the torch. Yeah, something like that So you said that true stories don't have to be true right Do we really agree with that all the way and because I I this is something I struggle with a little bit Yeah, because things carry I don't want to say that they have responsibility. There's just a Hollywood production that is there to make money They don't have real social responsibility, but on the other hand Especially for lesser-known events like this they become the truth Do you become do this becomes the Wikipedia version of the event in the public? This was the fear
Vic00:49:21When JFK came out that lots of high schoolers are gonna go see this movie and think oh my gosh LBJ killed him
Sonny00:49:27Well, there's a book on that actually now No, I I go back and forth on this it depends I so There I think there are two different Kind of criteria here for me personally the first is as a film critic like as a film critic I am not interested in the true true of a of a story like I'm interested in how it works as a movie I do think that there is a place in the world of criticism for the people who are like what X gets wrong about Why and like it and I I think that is a useful corrective to have but I also like I don't I do not think that the the the Responsibility of the film is to be true to life
JVL00:50:15Can it differ depending on the subject Victorino because so is there is there a difference Between in the responsible filmmaker between say Shattered Glass Yeah, which is a minor ultimately unimportant event versus JFK
Vic00:50:32My concern is my concern is that you know if people could go into a movie knowing that this is a movie and not You know real events Then it's great a JFK is an entertaining movie Right Sonny. Yeah, but you have to know that this is not well so like
Sonny00:50:51JFK is a very interesting specific example of this right because
JVL00:50:57So JFK is probably not the best example Right, right, but it is really Oliver Stone's version of it
Sonny00:51:01Because it is I mean it really is like a fever dream of conspiracy and like JFK is an extremely successful Experience of what it is like to talk to somebody who believes in conspiracy theories that it they like hit you with facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and facts and maybe they connect and maybe they don't but they Just overwhelm you with information
Vic00:51:21culminating yeah culminating in general Donald Sutherland exactly
Sonny00:51:25General X right X explaining how it all came together. So like I like it is an extremely Successful kind of idea of what it is like to talk to a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think that but I like the question Here's the problem here is that you you what you have is an audience issue, right? Like the problem isn't the movie itself. The problem is that people are too stupid to understand that movie aren't real
JVL00:51:53Yeah, I mean I've met people right right
Sonny00:51:56So people are dumb and they think that what they see in a movie is what happened in real life And they're like wow This is really interesting and this is this is real and this is what it is And I don't think that that is necessarily something that you can hold against the filmmaker
Vic00:52:08I like yeah unless unless of course the film has the opening and says this is a true story based on true But I mean even that's based on is very big and then
Sonny00:52:18Again, you have to understand you have to be a good consumer of media and understand that like based on is not true and like it in you know, I Again, maybe I'm just a shill for the Hollywood entertainment industrial complex But like I can't I can't get too upset when a movie is not 100% true to life because they're trying to be entertaining because that's the only responsibility of the film is to entertain
Vic00:52:42I still am entertained and love the untouchables even though at the end of the movie judge says switch juries and that's just That just didn't happen even though the person who wrote was David Mamet, and I like David Mamet But there was just no way that that happened in real life And even if you didn't know anything about the tax evasion case you wouldn't you know, you'd be picking cheek Can they just do that switch juries and then he folds and and that's what happened and Frank Nitti was not thrown off the top Of a building, but it was still entertaining
JVL00:53:12Frank Nitti committed suicide like 1943. Do you give a filmmaker points extra points if they are really trying to get it all? Right like Gettysburg Which is a great handsome American movie, but also drags. Yeah, it's kind of thankless
Vic00:53:28It's a thankless thing a little bit thing
JVL00:53:30So do you Sonny no, you know give them extra points for like being true I mean you something that you can like show the kids. No, this is actually basically how it happened No, I give him some points for that. I'll tell the kids to read a book Read a book
Vic00:53:43Goodfellas is remarkably accurate On almost every level except for what Joe Pesci dies
JVL00:53:51Do we want to rank movies on this? I don't know you want to I don't have one. Oh
Vic00:53:57Almost extremely accurate is Apollo 13
JVL00:54:00Apparently yeah, yeah, I was my top ah my top two, please Apollo 13 in the insider
Vic00:54:07Yeah, that's right. The Insider is which you and I saw we mentioned this before you and I saw in a red carpet event
JVL00:54:14Absolutely, the Uptown Theatre Russell Crowe was there Al Pacino was there and of course the head the the star of the real guy
Vic00:54:21Yeah, why can't and who do we sit next to I forget who did was it Joe Lockhart? I'm yelling. I'm yelling. Yeah, let's do a lot card. I'm afraid we have to move on Okay
JVL00:54:35Move on to the show that no one's listening. Yes, that's right. Great. It's a great test
Vic00:54:41Corrections additions you guys I don't think have any no I have one
JVL00:54:46I think we gotta kill this feature because I no longer have so unless it's egregious
Vic00:54:51I would say it's great for additions. And if there's anything egregious, I would say thanks And you and you know what else sunny, you know what else a little bit listener call out people like to hear their names Carlos Lozada said he likes it when people mention, you know It's a nice feeling when you get your name mentioned on the podcast. Hello, Carla. Hi, Carlos See, there you go. Awesome. Yes
JVL00:55:15When Yeah, I did a piece back he used to work out that page And I did a hit piece on a real local Realtor He's a very gifted writer
Vic00:55:30Chris layman is who edited me at book world back in the day. Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. We're Sonny's a regular post contributor. Thanks to listener Lily V for translating what Andre the Giant says in the Princess Bride which is
Sonny00:55:46The Dwayne pirate Robert is here for your soul Oh
Vic00:55:54And it was scary if you remember he and I probably have the same neck size spirit of the week Thank you very much to Cortez. It's the teats Ukrainian vodka Ukraine is not weak special Strong how how did you like it sunny with your country time though? Sunkist lemonade lemonade? I had the spicy
Sonny00:56:18There's like a honey pepper. Yeah, the honey pepper He's already threw it away because I put it on my it's done. It's empty. It makes very well with the sun
Vic00:56:27Like I'm a little bit tipsy. Oh, yeah. No, we've been doing this for several hours down two hours now
Sonny00:56:32I know a hundred milliliters of vodka. I know looking at your sun-kissed lemonade can I hope there's no High-fructose corn syrup. There's no there's no lemon whatsoever
JVL00:56:43Right in this it is water high-fructose corn syrup and less than two percent of natural favorites citric acid sodium citrate and casein gum
Vic00:56:51There is nothing lemony in this. No, and yet it was delicious. The vodka was more nutritious So thank you to and bullets over at court pizza Ukrainian vodka for that That is all the time. We are giving to this episode questions comments complaints compliments tweet us at Victorino Mattis at Sonny Bunch Yes, but don't complain about the volume because we know you can't hear us again Be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes or Google Play just type in Substandard under podcasts and we're there Excuse me, leave a review. Tell your friends Yes, and don't forget the substandard show notes might be up on Friday if there's a show at 11 a.m. Until next time What about oh as a as a gentleman host a gentleman host
JVL00:57:51No, I know But he the face the lantern jaw the hair if you were going to go to central casting
Vic00:57:59Yeah, I looked like a game show host. That's it would be chaplain. Yeah, absolutely Absolutely, and the nature of the game shall we say, you know, I mean, it's it was Love Connection, wasn't it?
Sonny00:58:09But he also did he also did one that was like a Scrabble game. Yes, that's right
Vic00:58:15Oh, did he do Hollywood Squares what it was? No, he did it That was what about Shadow Stevens?
JVL00:58:25Before your time Wow Wow kidding, I never knew that then he did love connection the big spin Scrabble
Vic00:58:38There you go, Sonny very good dating game. Ah, yes lingo
JVL00:58:45Okay, this is very The sleazy guys almost all of them failed actors So sleazy game shows are failed actors. Yeah. Yeah
Vic00:58:56Um, I was going to say just as a just as an anecdote You may have this problem soon Sonny with your daughter My daughter was very frustrated trying to play something on TV and then she ends up hitting Okay for the on-demand and all of a sudden I get a notification that for the next 24 hours Transformers the last night is now available
Sonny00:59:20Okay, congratulations
Vic00:59:23Congratulations, I just said Sabrina you can't do that and accidentally press these buttons somehow and now we have browsers For free
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