#360. 'Supergirl' (2026)
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With JVL out for family reasons, Mike Warren and Sonny Bunch hold down the fort for a review of Supergirl (2026), starring Millie Alcock as a boozy, grief-stricken Kara on an intergalactic pub crawl who gets tangled up with a child-trafficking subplot involving an alien race called the Brigands. Sonny hated it, calling it joyless, muddy-looking, and tonally confused for pairing a "save my poisoned dog" plot with an under-interrogated sex-trafficking storyline, though he singles out Jason Momoa's Lobo (playing it as "Aquaman by way of Beetlejuice") as the one bright spot; Mike agrees it's a slog, dings the murky green-screen visuals and Seth Rogen's distracting cameo voice, and even confesses to finding Alcock's look "odd" before Sonny needles him for the comment. Both wish the film had just been a Lobo movie, or better yet imagine a buddy spinoff starring David Krumholtz and Bradley Cooper as bickering Kryptonian brothers Zor-El and Jor-El. Before the review, Mike opens with news that the podcast is pausing for a week to migrate from Patreon to Substack, urging listeners to download any old episodes they want to keep, and then the two dig into extensive banter: Sonny's frustration with USA-Bosnia World Cup officiating and VAR, Mike's saga of dismantling and rebuilding bedroom furniture (including a Murphy-cabinet bed his wife chose) amid a multi-kid room reshuffle, and a long box office rundown covering Toy Story 5's steep second-weekend drop, a weak opening for Jackass: Best and Last, and the surprisingly durable theatrical run of Obsession even as it hits VOD.
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Guest00:00:00Hey, I was just touching base to see when you think you might be coming back. You know, I'm just worried that you're not going to find your stride here if you keep going off world all the time, Cara. I'm worried you're not going to find your people. Yeah, well, that's the thing, Clark. I have no people.
Mike00:00:28Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me is one of my co-hosts who has gone on plenty of his own interplanetary birthday benders, Sonny Bunch, JVL, Jonathan V. Last. Our other co-host is off this week, taking a week off with some family reasons. And so the two of us are going to hold down. The fort this week. And I will say we are going to be talking about, oh, you should also go to Sub-Beacon dot com, et cetera, et cetera. But I should say before we get to our discussion, which is on Supergirl 2026 and all the other stuff, some housekeeping for the Sub-Beacon podcast. So in addition to being down to just the two of us, we are going to be taking next week. Uh, off from producing a new episode, uh, but not off from the podcast. Uh, dear listeners, we'll be working hard. We'll be working, uh, really overtime. We'll probably be working harder than we normally do. Uh, as we make the long teased, or I guess we teased it like once and then never mentioned it again, but the long anticipated transition of the Sub-Beacon from Patreon to Substack. Yay.
Sonny00:01:57Yay.
Mike00:01:58Uh, so Sonny, right. We, we are going to be doing, working on that next week. So we'll take what we will, we will not have an episode after this one. And so there are some things that we need you as listeners to know and be prepared for about that. Um, you know, and, and you correct me if I'm wrong here, Sonny. So I'm just going to run through a couple of things. So, um, after this episode, uh, we are going to, uh, pause for a couple of weeks, three. Four weeks, maybe, uh, our billing while we sort out that sort of thing. We are going to have both at the same time. I believe our Patreon and our sub stack are going to be up.
Sonny00:02:40Uh, but we would also encourage unclear, unclear, precisely how this will work. I'll say I I've never, I've never transitioned anything from Patreon to sub stack. So, uh, I'm, I'm learning as I go on this. Uh, but my understanding is that, uh, we're, we're, we're gonna, we're basically we'll have, um, uh, at least for one or two weeks, have it going at the same place without, uh, or have it, have it going at both places without charging for either of them. And then we'll, we'll work on, uh, you know, starting turning off the paywall on Patreon forever and then turning it on, on sub stack. But the, but the, but the big point here is, uh, I, I, I I've had folks ask, Hey, can you make sure you keep the old episodes up? And the problem is those episodes are not on. Like a public feed anywhere that they haven't been uploaded to, you know, the, the Apple, um, the Apple facing RSS, right? Like you, you, everybody has their private feeds. You get, we get the show that way. Um, but there is no, there is no big general, uh, public feed, which means I am not 100% sure what's going to happen to those episodes. When we turn off the Patreon, which is a long way of saying, like, if there are old episodes that you really like and go back and listen to sometimes, I would download them to your phone and save them that way because I cannot guarantee that they will be, uh, available now. One, one thing I would like to do over the course of, uh, months or weeks or years is, is backfill some of those old episodes, but that will be, um, that will be, uh, a lengthy project you cannot, you cannot, my understanding anyway, is that you cannot just port over all the posts from Patrion to sub stack. It doesn't work that way. So, uh, it will be, it will be more work than can be done in one week.
Mike00:04:36Uh, and this is, look, this is not unusual for podcasts that, that port from one platform to another. I know this has happened in other places. So, uh, but bear with us, um, just imagine, uh, construction, you know, remember the old, like when the, a website would be under a redesign, they'd have like the little construction, uh, tape over it. So just that. In your, in your mental mind of what's going on at the Sub-Beacon headquarters, that's, that's what's happening. But, uh, so the week after you should be able to, and, and, and I believe is I, I actually didn't check with you on this Sonny will the URL remain the same? Will it still be sub beacon.com or will we have to, well, we may need to effort that and, and, and unclear, um, but, but you will, we will be communicating as best we can with everybody. How they will be able to listen to the show, but for the time being, uh, it will be available on Patrion and eventually on sub stack, uh, after that, uh, any, did I miss anything, Sonny, anything we got, uh, no, I don't think so.
Sonny00:05:43Uh, I'm sure this will all go horribly wrong and we'll probably, we'll probably just end up nuking the show is what's going to end up happening here, but, uh, we're gonna, we're gonna give it a shot. We're gonna keep working and give a shot. Uh, since that's where, that's where people can go. People are man, the people are on sub stack. That's they're on the stack.
Mike00:05:58They're on the stack. Uh, okay. Well, uh, we will be talking, as I said about Supergirl 2026 later on the show, but first Sonny, what is going on with you?
Sonny00:06:12Not much. Um, I, uh, as you know, uh, it's, it's soccer, it's quadrennial soccer season. Uh, the it's, it's always very funny listening to the podcast where, when they're advertising for things that have not paid to be able to say world cup. So like, you know, I've been listening to some of the ringer shows and they're, they're alert, they are talking about the summer soccer showcase, which is a, so we're, you know, it's summer soccer. Showcase the version of the big game as yeah. The big game, very similar to, you know, when you get ready for the big game, stock up with all your, your food and chips and whatever for the big game. Um, it's, it's big game month, uh, uh, which is, which is always very, uh, which is always very exciting. And, um, I'm re I was reminded, uh, so we're taping this Thursday afternoon, uh, the United States one, two to nothing last night. So it was a fun game. Against the Bosnia, Herzegovina. Um, uh, it's very funny. Like every character or every, every, uh, player on the Bosnian team sounds like a character that, uh, Harrison Ford has to kill in, uh, air force one. They're all like chiches and ratted and, you know,
Mike00:07:25I will say it's also funny because, you know, I mean, the United States is such a multicultural, you know, country and, and, and all those sort of things. And it's like every one of those Bosnian players, they like, like they look like they're out of central casting from, from one of those movies too. And like, I was like, wait, wait, he's playing there, but I thought he was playing there and then like, you know, like meanwhile, the U S team is the United colors of Benetton, you know, it's just like everybody, like it's, it's. It was a great show.
Sonny00:07:55Showing for the old, but it was, it was a reminder also that, uh, the, the, uh, the thing that is very frustrating about being a, a, an American, uh, soccer fan is knowing that, uh, the, the, the refs are constantly trying to fuck us. Like every, every world cup this happens. Uh, and so is that true?
Mike00:08:19Because I, I, I was confused by how everyone was just like, oh, here we go again. I'm like, is this.
Sonny00:08:25Every, every, every time, every day, it happened against, uh, Germany in, in 2000 and, uh, 12, whenever that was, or 2000, uh, I can't, I can't remember who knows, I mean, it happens, it happens all the time. America, America is constantly getting fucked by the refs and that's because the refs represent the intelligentsia of FIFA. So like the player, like the teams, whatever, I don't think any, I don't think the teams in particular, you know, harbor, uh, ill will towards the United States, except in the sense that they all want to win. And everybody, everybody, they're competitive, but, but like the United States is, I don't think like, uh, a team like Argentina or whatever, right. Where there's like a lot of, you know, real strong feelings. Like we gotta beat these, um, uh, except in the sense that like, everybody likes to beat the us because you know, whatever. Uh, but the, the, but the refs and the officials of FIFA are like constantly. Just totally trying to fuck us. Uh, and, and this of course came up in the. Um, in the, the, uh, the game this, this past Wednesday, when our best player got a red card on a very questionable, like, first of all, the, the play itself was very questionable, like whether or not this should have been a red card. I, the answer to me is pretty obviously no, because it wasn't, um, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was neither intentional nor reckless. Like the two players were going up, the two players both jumped at the same time. One of the players just happened to come down on the other. There's like, like he wasn't stomping, right. It wasn't, it wasn't, it was not reckless. It was not, uh, intense. Not like he slid, uh, wildly into the back of this guy's legs. It's, you know, um, uh, also the United States was got no calls the whole game. Like, I mean, just like constantly was getting fouled. The, the Bosnian players were grabbing us and pulling, pulling our guys backwards. But the, but the, the, the real problem here is that they did this. So they do, I hate VAR. I hate the video assisted. Yeah. You play, like, it's one thing for determining offsides. Okay. I can, I, but like the way, the way that VAR is supposed to work on a play like this is they are supposed to watch it in, um, in regular speed, like you're not supposed to like freeze frame it and, and, and so like they freeze frame it and they send that to the ref on the field and the refs on the field is like, okay, well, I guess that's a red card, but like, that's literally, you're not supposed to do it that way. So like the, the U S got totally screwed. Um, and this goes into a secondary thing that I hate about international soccer, which is that the cumulative cards. So if you get two, if you get yellow cards in consecutive games, you miss, uh, you miss the next game. If you get a red card, you miss the next game. I hate that rule so much. I've always hated that role. I've always thought it's bullshit. Like you should get cards should apply to one game. Um,
Mike00:11:19of course it's not, it's not, it's not like a, it's not like a, you know, some kind of from the league. Like a penalty on like the penalties don't carry over to the next game. But if it's like a particularly egregious penalty in like football, for instance, like you can, like the league can make a decision to find you and suspend you. Yeah.
Sonny00:11:40If you get suspended, that's, that's, you know, and I'm sure they do it this way to like take the, you know, to take accusations of, but like I, the, the whole thing is stupid. Um, and it is just, it's just, uh, it's, it, it's really, you know, and like, uh, of course all the rest of the, the world's like, Oh, Americans complaining about the reps. Every country complains about the reps, but no, this is like, this is, this is a thing that happens in the United States because this is the only way this fucking third world cactus fucking kleptocracy can get back at the United States. Right? Like we know there's no, they have no other levers on us in any, in any other facet of international relations, except for FIFA, except for soccer. And they, they fucking use it.
Mike00:12:24So do you think the, do you think the Belgians like paid off?
Sonny00:12:28No, no, I don't think, no, I don't think it's, I, I, like, I think, I think the, the refs, this, this cadre of South American Latin American refs with one Frenchman attached to it, just like would rather literally any other team win than the United States. And then this is true of like every referee group. Like we should, um, we should not have to deal with this, but we do. Cause we, um, we still want, so like we did still win. I gotta say that the, the goal off the free kick, um, was one of the, I like we never score that way. Like we, I, the last time I remember scoring that way was 30, literally 32 years ago when, when all the did it in the 94 world cup, it was, he, he hit a strike from like, from even further back,
Mike00:13:18it was like halfway to the, well, the, the first goal was like, it was almost, uh, it was almost kind of lame. I mean, it was just kind of like he kind of tapped it in after, after, uh, after the, uh, the Bosnian, like just like missed it. Um, again, I don't know anything about soccer, so like, but you know, like it didn't have like the powerful, like attack, you know, look to it. It was just kind of like, Oh, boop. Let me, let me boop it in there and, uh, get it, get it past the keeper. And, uh, but it was still exciting. It was still fun. It's really very, again, not soccer guy. I was like, Oh, this is great. Great, great, great game.
Sonny00:13:54Um, uh, we're going to need, we're going to need the other other guys to step it up with a ball again out, uh, Pulisic. This is your, your chance, man. Everybody's been talking about how you're the future of us soccer for the last eight years. Let's do it. The future is now score some fucking goals, man.
Mike00:14:11Yeah. Um, all right, well, good. Well, how are you doing? Go America. Uh, fine. Uh, as you, I mean, people won't be able to see this, but you can see there's like stuff being, being constructed, behind me. This is like all I, I basically spent last weekend and the work has not stopped. Um, taking apart a bed that was in the room that I, is my home office. Um, and then taking it entirely apart and then moving it upstairs to another bedroom and putting that bed back together in that room so that I can put a new bed, which is like a kind of a Murphy cabinet bed. Like it, it will, it will fold in. It will mostly not be used as a bed. Um, but like, because this is my office, like, but it will be available for any guest bed needs. Um, and it's just, it, it's this thing of like, I've put the, the, the, the previous bed that was in here, I've taken it apart and put it back together so many times in its life, moving houses 10 years ago to like moving it. It's been a different, and it's just like, it is so it, it's not even the work itself, which like it's fine. It's, it's the, it's the feeling that I've done this so many times, like it, that makes it feel that much worse and almost futile. It's like, okay, well I, I, I've just now put this back together. Now I, I, like how many more times am I going to have to do this? And, and I get, I guess this is just like, it's just another example of like home ownership and, and, and being an adult and, and doing all these things. But there's, I just, I, I hate beds. It's like, it's, it's the same thing with like car seats.
Sonny00:16:04I hate beds.
Mike00:16:05Well, it's like putting 'em together. And so, you know, you spend so much time on, on a bed, you know, and it's like a big, it's just the putting it together, putting a bed frame together, all that sort of thing. It's just, it's just tedious and annoying. And like, and I tried to, here's what I did. I tried to get away with like only taking it partly apart and like taking the big pieces and then moving 'em up the stairs. But like, sure. It turned out that like the, the, the length of the bed frame, like couldn't actually get up my stairs properly. Like, of course not. Right. Like of course, of course I couldn't, I don't know.
Sonny00:16:39I don't know how you thought you could get away with this. That's the,
Mike00:16:43it's insanity anyway. So it's, it was just, it's the, it will all look very nice once it's all complete, but it is just, it's just very difficult. And you know, I suppose like there is a world and I think lots of people live this life where like they buy like a new bed, like this bed or whatever. And like, they have somebody come and like put it together and like, and then it all just happens and it just exists. But like, it's just not how we do it in our house. It's we're just, uh, you just feel different. It's the thing is, is like, I don't know, like I'm not built different. Like this is all pain in the ass to me. And I do not like, I do not enjoy it. And I'm like, I I'm constantly thinking like, why don't I just pay somebody to do this for me? Um, but I don't, you know, I just get out my tools, get out my screwdriver and start working. It's fine.
Sonny00:17:38I, uh, it's, it's interesting. Um, it's interesting to hear you say that you're putting a Murphy bed down there. Can I ask why you went with it? Will it like actually fold up into the wall? Like, uh,
Mike00:17:50no. So it's, so it's, I say it's a Murphy bed, but it's more, it's, it, but you can kind of see it. It's like, it's like a cabinet. It will look like it will look like a dresser when it's put up. And so it, it's like, you can see that is like the top of the cabinet and there's actually going to be two like cabinets on the side as well. Um, uh, that you can like store like bedding and stuff in. Um, and so it will like fold up into that. And so it will, otherwise it will, uh, appear to be a dresser when it is not in use.
Sonny00:18:29Can I ask why you went with that instead of like a, uh, uh, pullout couch, pullout couch, like a, like a pullout bed, uh, you know,
Mike00:18:38a couch that turns into a pullout bed. Um, it's, uh, I don't know. This was my wife's decision. And, um, and I think we didn't want a cow. I mean, so like we have a, we have in, in my, in my oldest son's room. So this is all, I don't even know if I mentioned this and there's like all a part of a big, uh, reorganization of who's in what bedroom sort of thing. So it began with my oldest, my 11 year old moving out of the room he shared was he shares with his eight year old brother into his own room, which used to be, uh, Melissa's office. And it is now his room. And we have a, it's not a pullout couch, but it's like a couch that you take off the couch cushions and put them next next to the frame of the couch and put a sheet over it. And it's like a, it's like a bed. It's like a day bed thing. Um, so he has that and that works and then moving the three and a half year old into the room out of the baby room basically. Mm-hmm and into the bunk bed room with his old, with his middle, with the older brother, but not the oldest brother. And then that, uh, room is where the old bed moved and that's, that's one guest room. And now this will be the other guest room. So I think the, the idea here was like, I don't need a couch to sit in here. I just need this as like my desk and to do my podcasts and all that stuff. And so I think the idea was to, to, to do a cabinet, uh, it's going up against the window and it will, you know, I don't know. I don't have an answer to your question.
Sonny00:20:14This is what we just, I just, I, I was just curious because it feels like if you're, if you're gonna, uh, have a thing that the couch disappears into, it might as well also, it'll be a functional, but I guess if you don't ever sit on the, on a couch in there, it's probably not strictly speaking necessary.
Mike00:20:31Yeah. And it's like, it's got a smaller footprint when it's not, uh, than, than a couch would, would, would have, um,
Sonny00:20:37can you, can you use it to store other things or is it, is it, does the bed just take up all the space there?
Mike00:20:43No, the bed takes up, um, most of the storage space, but there is a, so there's a drawer at the bottom that pulls out that you can store things in. And then, like I said, there will be like, two cabinets things on the side that you can store things in. So, um, you know, I, I think it's, I think it's supposed to be a little more comfortable than a couch and then a pullout couch, um, is what, is what it's been sold as. Um, sure. So.
Sonny00:21:08Yeah, I, we, we have a, we have a pullout, uh, sofa couch and it is a pullout bed in a, in a, in a couch and it's, it's, you know, it works in a pinch, but it's definitely not, uh, it's not, it's not the most comfortable experience.
Mike00:21:21I, I, I just have like, I have like the image of Elaine Venice at Jerry's parents' house in Florida and she comes out and she's like bent over halfway. Yeah. That's, that's, you know, the bar, that's the thing. It's always the bar, like sticking in your bar. Uh,
Sonny00:21:36we don't, yeah. Ours, ours is like, ours is better than that. It doesn't have a bar. It's just like, kind of like, it's not, it's not firm. It's, you know, it's like, I don't know. Yeah. I want, you know, no,
Mike00:21:48it's not a bet. Anyway, that's, that's what's going on. We're, uh, just, just lots of movies. But, uh, we should, we should move on. I think we don't want to do 10 more minutes of bed talk for minutes of bed talk. I mean, this is what the, this is, I mean, get ready. Substack. You have no idea what,
Sonny00:22:05just imagine they could see it behind you. If we were on video, as we will likely be on substack. Ooh, a nice little tease there. Um,
Mike00:22:13all right, well, let's talk about the box office then before we get into the movie. So box office this past weekend, number one, once again at the box, box office is the juggernaut toy story five, uh, kind of a big, so, so drop 55% drop from, from its first weekend. I mean,
Sonny00:22:33the thing is it's a, it had such a big start. It was always going to have a, like you, it's hard not to have a drop of at least 50% when you, when you have a number that high, that, that number is in line with hold on. I'm actually going to look this up real quick. Incredibles two, I think was a pretty similar weekend.
Mike00:22:53Two weekend draw it's it's it's total through the weekend was just under $300 million. So it's, it's definitely over $300 million now. Uh, and you know, it's good. It's only in its second week. It's going to keep chugging along just nicely. Yeah. The, uh, so the,
Sonny00:23:10the in 2018 when Incredibles two came out, uh, it also, it had a second weekend drop of 56%. Um, but, you know, that movie opened to that movie opened to an insane 180 million dollars. Like nobody saw that coming. Uh, I don't think $180 million opening it did 80 million in its second weekend. Um, so, you know, the, the, uh, so the, uh, new, the new one toy story five gross less than its second weekend, but it's, it's similar drop-off. So 56%, uh, which, you know,
Mike00:23:48not, not shocking. Yeah. Um, and, and, but it's, it's, it's, it's still made more than the movie we're talking about this week. Supergirl, uh, in its debut week, which, uh, came in at number two, um, and it's opening weekend 30, just $37 million, 37 million. Yeah. That's,
Sonny00:24:05that's a movie that, uh, trended down all week. Uh, like the tracking on that was, was not stellar to begin with. It was, you know, I think people were talking like 45, 50 million and it just kept going down. People, people were not interested. It, it helped that it, it did not help that it was not getting very good reviews. It was getting pretty mixed. Um, pretty mixed notices. Uh, word of mouth could not have been good. Word of mouth was, I'm sure word of mouth was terrible. Cause it got a B from cinema score. So like, um, and you know, it, when I, when I mentioned grades on cinema score, people don't understand the curve that you're working on here. So like an, your average Marvel movie was an a or an a minus for like the first 20 of them. Right. I think, um, I think the first one that didn't get, uh, aside from aside from the Hulk movie that came out after, uh, after Iron Man, the first, the first one that did not get an at least an a minus was I believe Eternals. Um, I might be,
Mike00:25:10which was post infinity war. Right. Right. I might,
Sonny00:25:13I might be misremembering this. Someone, someone will tell me, I'm sure in the comments, if I've fucked this up, but the, um, but the, uh, the, the Eternals movie, gotta be a minus. I want to say, um, see, I'm going to, I'm actually going to look this up myself because I don't want to get, uh, blah, blah. All right. So let's see. Supergirl has a B minus. Eternals had a B, um, which, uh, which is, which is, which shows you. So like, this was less well liked than Eternals, but it is slightly better than Morbius and Madam Web, both of which had C pluses. So, okay.
Mike00:25:52Well, what was, what was Superman's, uh, cinema score?
Sonny00:25:56Uh, Superman got an A, I believe. Yeah. I seem to recall that. Yeah.
Mike00:26:00A minus. A minus. Okay. Yeah.
Sonny00:26:02I mean, it's, it's a solid enough score. Um, you know, like Batman versus Superman, Dawn for Dawn of Justice, you know, the Zack Snyder Batman versus Superman movie that got a B as well. So like that'll, you know, and that was, that was another movie that was not well, not well liked by audiences dropped pretty huge in its second weekend. It was incredibly heavily front loaded, um, even more so than, than most superhero movies. Right. So that was, uh, you know, super, this is, it's, it's very, if, if I am the folks at DC slash Warner brothers, I am like kind of freaking out right now because, uh, look, this was not a cheap movie. It costs $175 million. Uh, I don't know what they spent it on. Yeah. Kind of. Cause it looks like shit, but the, but the, um, uh, you know, they, they are currently in a situation where they are being sold to paramount, uh, skydance. They, I'm sure paramount skydance is going to have their own kind of ideas of what to do with this thing. Right. And like, uh, Superman did fine, but it grows 600 some million dollars worldwide. It's not like it was an enormous, enormous hit. Um, this is not, I mean, this is probably going to lose at least a hundred million dollars and it might lose more than that. Uh, so it's, uh, it's, it's, it's bad all around for them. Um, well,
Mike00:27:24before we dive into the, the text, if you will, the substance of the movie, um, real quick, uh, another new movie at the box office this weekend, jackass best and last came at number four. Um, you know, I have no, I have no way to judge, judge this, but you know, it, it is, I guess you judge it against the previous jackass movies, but, um, you know, it's a different time, right? Like jackass when the jackass, jackass movies came out, uh, initially the first one, certainly, I mean, they were part of the zeitgeist and, and now it's kind of a legacy run. Uh, any thoughts on jackass best and last, uh, getting just under eight and a half million and it's opening weekend. Is this, it was not on as many screens. Like what, what do we think about this?
Sonny00:28:07It's, it's, it's a pretty, it's a pretty weak opening. I mean, the, the, the fourth jackass movie came out in 2022 and opened a $20 million. Wow. Um, so, you know, this is, uh, this is, this is a, it has to be a very, it's a very disappointing number. I think, uh, it, it cannot, they, they cannot possibly be happy with this. I mean, the, the third one opened a 50 million. Um, the, the, the first one when it came out in 2002 opened a 22 million. So like, this is, it's a, it's a bad, it's a, it's a bad result. Anyway, you slice it and like part of the problem I, well, I, I had kind of wanted to see it. I wasn't planning on reviewing it or anything, but I just enjoy watching these movies, particularly in theaters. Cause Hey, I like, I can, I, I, I'm a, I'm a very simple man. And if you show me people getting hurt, show me people getting hurt on screen in ways that are funny, I will laugh. That's why people like the three stooges, right? That's why people like minions. Um, jackass, the jackass series is like real life minions. Uh, so, so I, I am very easily amused, but, but I, but as I was, you know, looking at it, like it's kind of a clip show. It's like, it's a lot.
Mike00:29:20I was going to say like, is it half the movie? Like not even original stuff.
Sonny00:29:24Yeah. It's, it's all stuff. It's all stuff that's been shown before. And my era is largely stuff that's been shown before with some new, with some new bits added on. But the, um, uh, but the, the, yeah. So it, it, I, I just was like, ah, I don't care. I don't, I don't, I don't care enough to make a trip to the theater to go and I'll go see any piece of shit. So like, right. If I'm, if I'm, if I'm like, Hey, I'm going to pass. Um, that's not good. That's not a good, I'm not, I'm not shocked that it, that it didn't do very well for, for, for a second. When, when the Supergirl numbers kept coming in bad, I, I, or when the tracking, this is the, when the Supergirl tracking kept coming in so low, I was, there was a minute where I was like, is, is Jackass going to actually open bigger? And then I looked at what the Jackass tracking was and it was not tracking
Mike00:30:10very well. They were all going to see obsession,
Sonny00:30:12which they're still going to see obsession. No, I mean, this is obsession. Obsession is so I am fast. Sorry. This is gonna be a long, box office segment, but I'm fascinated by obsession because obsession is still the number three movie in the country this weekend, right? It's, it dropped just 27.6% to get to a total of 233 million. If you look at the daily numbers, if you look at the daily numbers, it is still number three numbers. Yeah. So it's still, it's, it, it's, it's behind Supergirl. It's behind Toy Story five and it's ahead of everything else. Most of which, you know, came out well, well after it did, right? Like disclosure day, you know, it, it's, it's, it grossed to almost twice as much as a jackass, you know, on best and last on, on these days. So this movie is still playing at the box office is my point. It's, you know, it's been in, it's been in theaters now for almost 50 days, still playing in theaters and focus features and universal decided to put it on VOD this Monday. I'm kind of fascinated by it because I like on the one hand, theoretically, even though it's still playing, you're, you're looking at a tale of, you know, maybe, maybe another 40 or $50 million. And it might still, it might still make that, that money because it is a movie that people want to see in theaters with people. So it may, it may continue to have that good long tail at the same time. I like the, putting it on VOD creates a creates a problem for the theater owners now because they're like, well, why do we want to compete against this? So I, you know, it's a, I don't know. It's, it's, it's a weird, it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing. I don't, I don't, I'm, I'm kind of confused. I'm not confused as to why focus has done this. They're they have universal and focus have long been aggressive in their VOD timing. They have, they have long, you know, rushed things, to video on demand. And this is the sort of movie that usually would have had like a 17 day window before PVOD. And it was doing so well that they decided to, they decided to, to hold it.
Mike00:32:30I guess they, they could not, they could not hold off any longer. Right.
Sonny00:32:33It's like, I guess, but it's going to be a really interesting experiment. We got, you know, one of the, one of the box office guys, I follow, uh, this Indian guy who like just looks at the seating charts all day long. Um, he, he said, he said, he said that the way that this is playing, it should, it would theoretically get to 275 million, um, domestic, uh, taking it, uh, putting it on VOD now puts that at risk. Right. And if this ends up doing two 45 instead of two 75, like do they make up $30 million in VOD rental? I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure. So we'll see.
Mike00:33:16But it's also been weird, right? Like it's like, there could be some information they have that suggests if you put it on VOD, then that will encourage people to go then see it again in theater. Cause there are, aren't there a lot of people who are going to see it like multiple times and with their friends and all this and great word of mouth.
Sonny00:33:33I mean, it's, it's had amazing, it's had amazing, amazing word of mouth.
Mike00:33:36So, um, all right, well, we, uh, we shall continue to track it, but we are going to, uh, zero in on that number two movie at the box office that week. Number two, Supergirl. Uh, Sonny, we did Supergirl 1984 last week. Do you want to give us a big boy review of Supergirl 2026?
Sonny00:34:01Supergirl 2026, uh, starring Millie Alcock as Supergirl. She showed up at the end of, uh, the Superman movie that came out a couple of years back. Uh, remember she was like, kind of like a drunk party girl. And it's her dog that, uh, Kal-El was trying to get. Get back the whole time, blah, blah, blah. Um, so, uh, this movie is, it, it fails on basically every level, um, that you can, that you can fail on. And what I mean is like, it's not, it's not fun. And it's, and it's, uh, but you know, a movie doesn't have to be fun to be good. Lots of movies aren't fun that are, that are good, but a movie like this, I feel like kind of needs to be fun. And it needs to be exciting. And like, again, if you want to do, if you want to do the, the kind of Zack Snyder, like dark meditation on the nature of gods and human, whatever, you have to like actually ask the big questions and like try to, and like feign some interest in what the answers are. And this movie, I don't think really does that either. Uh, anyway, so, uh, Millie Alcock stars as Supergirl. She is on a intergalactic pub crawl to celebrate her 23rd birthday. Uh, uh, in the course of this pub crawl, she comes across a girl whose family has been killed by a, uh, what is described as a race of aliens called the brigands. Um, which is a very weird thing here, uh, because we also learned that these brigands are all male. And so in order to propagate their species, they engage in international or intergalactic child trafficking to, uh, what's not fun. What's not fun about this? So many questions. So you've got depressed super girl who's drinking her way through the galaxy and she's depressed because her whole civilization has died. Not just Krypton, of course, which exploded, but she was in the, the, the pocket planet of art, not pocket, but whatever. She was in like the separate Argo city. And it turns out that Argo city also was full of kryptonite and it's poisoning everybody and they all die very slowly and she, she flees. And so she's the last survivor and she's all depressed. She doesn't, she didn't get to grow up. In Kansas, like, uh, you know, Clark, uh, he, she, she, she had a pretty miserable, uh, run of it. Um, so she sat all the time, uh, and she, she in the course of her adventures comes across this girl who wants to get revenge for her family. And, uh, there's a very weird running subplot where she's like, where super girl is talking to this little girl and is like, you don't want to kill somebody. You don't know what that does to you. Right. And like, if a character is saying things, like that, it means that they have done things that they regret. Right. Like that's generally what, what that plot thread,
Mike00:36:57the language of movies of, uh, in the language of movies. That's what that means.
Sonny00:37:02Yeah. If you, if you tell me like, you don't want, trust me, you don't want to do this thing. It means that at some point you've probably done it or something similar to it. And you like, no, you know, where have you speak? And there's none of that here. There's like, there's no, there's no, like, she doesn't, she doesn't have like a tragic backstory where she, she got real mad and killed a guy or something. She's just like, she's just like, you don't want to do that. You don't want to do that. You don't want, you don't want that in your, in your heart. It's like, okay, well, what, what, what's happening here? What is, what is happening here? Um, the, the one bright spot in this movie is Jason Momoa as Lobo. Uh, Lobo of course is, uh, an intergalactic bounty hunter who was also immortal and he rides a space motorcycle and he was kind of designed to be the, the DC answer to Wolverine, uh, back in the 1980s and 1990s. He was like this kind of dark antihero, you know, he was, uh, um, uh, you know, kind of a, kind of a badass. He was always killing people. Uh, and you know, it was like dark, dark DC. Um, but he's always, he's always been a fan favorite. People like him and Jason Momoa nails, nails, uh, a very specific thing about the character, which is that he is, uh, I don't know. He just, he just does a very good job with this. He kind of plays, he calls it as Aquaman by way of Beetlejuice. Like there were a lot of, there were a lot of like Michael Keaton, he kind of like shifts in his, in the way he talks. Like if you watch, like go back and watch, if you go back and watch Beetlejuice, which I've watched a couple of times in the last few years, there, there are, there are these moments where Michael Keaton is like doing these doing like the high, like yelling, yelling, and then he brings it like down a register. And like Jason Momoa does that here. It, it, it also helps it as makeup makes them look like Beetlejuice, uh, probably.
Mike00:38:50It's, it's kind of a Jay Leno, like rip rip off. Like you do wonder if like Keaton was like channeling Jay Leno.
Sonny00:38:56Oh, that really high up here.
Mike00:38:56And then it goes down here. Yeah.
Sonny00:38:59Something like that. The, um, anyway, uh, he's good. I think the problem I, we were discussing this on across the movie aisle. The problem with this movie, I think is that it, it, it would be much better if it was just a Lobo movie. If it was just a Lobo movie where Supergirl shows up for like four or five scenes. Uh, you know, and like the little girl has to teach Lobo how to, you know, be, uh, more decent or whatever. And, and so I, I don't know, man, I, the, the movie, the movie just doesn't work. Uh, it doesn't, it doesn't work and it, it looks like absolute dog shit. I was like, genuine, I was genuinely pretty shocked by how bad the movie looks. Um, it looks as bad as the flash movie that came out a few, uh, a couple of summers ago looks. Um, and it looks bad in the same sort of way, which is that it has these like action sequences that are clearly just in a green room and like the camera spinning around and we're getting 360 degrees and it's supposed to be like kind of epic, but the, the S it's just big, flat brown space. Like there's nothing to look at. It's it's like the, and it, it just looks bad. It's shot by Rob Hardy, who is the guy who has been, um, he has been Alex Garland's cinematographer for the last. A few years. He shot civil war. So like the man knows how to shoot an action scene. He knows how to make a movie look good. This movie does not look good. I don't know. I don't know what the problem was. Part it's part of it's probably just that Craig Gillespie is not a very good director. Um, uh, he's kind of like a journeyman, right? Like he's, you know, he made, he made Lars and the real girl and, uh, the fright night remake his, his best film is I, Tanya, which is pretty good. Oh, okay. Um, I, I, Tanya was pretty good. Uh, but he. He also made the terrible Cruella film in 2021. The one where the, uh, uh, uh, with, uh, Emma stone.
Mike00:40:57Yeah.
Sonny00:40:57Yeah. Like I hated that movie. I really hated that movie. Uh, and I, I really, I don't think this works really at all. Again, just this weird tonal thing where like super girl, theoretically, the plot of the film should be super girl trying to get an antidote to save her dog, who has been poisoned by these brigands. And. Okay. Apparently that's the plot in the comic book. Uh, that's what people tell me. I haven't read the comic book, but then they throw on this child trafficking subplot and don't like really interrogate it at all. It's just like, oh yeah. Also they kidnapped, like it's, it's like tossed off in this casual way. It's like, oh yeah, by the way, they also, uh, kidnap girls all over the universe and rape them and, and that's where their offspring come from. And it's like, what, wait, what, what is, what shouldn't this be the actual thing? That's driving. The action of the plot and not the, the, the, the dog. I feel like you can have one or the other, but having both just feels like it screams, it screams of a studio somewhere saying like, Hey, this dog plot isn't serious enough, we need to give it bigger stakes or alternately, like it started with the human trafficking thing. And they were like, well, this isn't
Mike00:42:11we lighten the load or lighten the mood here a little bit.
Sonny00:42:15I don't know, man, it, it, I, I, I really dislike this movie. Um, I really dislike this movie and, uh, it's, it's too bad because I thought she was, I thought, I thought Millie Alcock had a nice little turn at the end of Superman and, uh, I think there'd be something kind of fun about having, you know, like hot, messy, super girl going around causing trouble and instead it's just like sad, messy, super girl traveling around doing things and like, boo.
Mike00:42:43Yeah. Um, okay. So.
Sonny00:42:48So Mike, what did you think of super girl? Did you take your kids to go see it?
Mike00:42:52No, I did not. I, there was a moment where I, I thought about taking my oldest and then I like, I just like did like a little preliminary research about like, well, what's, what's going on here? Is there a member or her character?
Sonny00:43:02What's this movie actually about?
Mike00:43:03Yeah, being like, uh, being drunk and I was like, eh, I don't know if I really want, you know, and then I got, I was like, oh no, I'm definitely not taking kids. Um, so, okay. Let me start with the, how it looks because it, it, you are correct at how awful it looks and there was a moment at the end of one of the big battles, the big battle on the, on the brown planet thing, uh, where like, where she, where super girl has the little angry orphan girl in her, in her arms, what's her name, Ruthie or something. Uh, and it's like flying with her, like in her arms. And it's like, it does not look that different from super girl 1984 in terms of like effects. It just looks like it's clearly just some wires and they're in the green screen and it looks bad. And I'm like, really, this is like super girl movie. It just sucked. And so on top of like just the blandness of the look and it's like dark, so much of the movie is dark and it's like not, so it's not like fun to watch. And, and, and to the extent that there are. There is a lighting it's like, you know, it's like flashy and I'm basically saying I'm an old man and I don't like, I don't like these movies that I can't see well and the, and the flashing hurts my eyes, but like, it's, it's like not, it's not like to, to your point, the visually, it is not fun to watch on top of all the other problems with story and everything else, like it's weird about
Sonny00:44:40this movie now, it's not, it's not. I like, I genuinely, here's the thing. Like I always, I. I don't, I don't love the critique of the, the, the Zack Snyder movies that they're, you know, super desaturated and, you know, like, where are the colors? Why is everything? So this is, this is weirdly colored in a different way where it's just like, it's like, there's just like a sheen of dirt over the whole thing. Like it's, it's right.
Mike00:45:06That's right.
Sonny00:45:07I, I, man, I hated, I hated how this looked, I hated how this looked. And there's like, there's a couple of action beats that are the, the, the thing on the, like, uh, space bus with the, with the glitching, you know, hopping. Like I was like, okay, this is kind of, kind of interesting, I guess it was fine.
Mike00:45:31Um, that was actually probably my favorite scene of the movie.
Guest00:45:34It's the best scene. Cause you can actually see what's happening in it and like, and it doesn't,
Sonny00:45:38it does, it's not even that you can see what's happening. It's that you, you aren't actively irritated by the color palette of, of
Mike00:45:47the thing, well, and it's also, it's like very straight, it's, it's, it's straightforward in what's happening, but inventive in like, oh, she has this device that she can like glitch, glitch in and out of places and she doesn't know like how to be, you know, so it's like the, the choreography of it is fun to watch. And that's about all you can say.
Sonny00:46:10Can I lodge a very, yeah, the, the, yeah, it's, it's like, yes. I mean, it's things, things happen in that, that I didn't 100% expect. And I was like, okay, well, that's, that's at least kind of interesting. Can I, can I lodge a very basic complaint or maybe ask a very basic question? Go, go ahead. Maybe you can help me here. Mike. Sure. When I was sitting down to write my review, I was trying to describe what the brigands powers are. And I realized I had no fucking idea. Like it is, and this gets to a very basic problem I have. With any time I'm confronted with a superhero movie, I don't like there is a eight out of 10 chance that the villains in question, it is completely unclear what their powers are or what their weaknesses are, because in this movie, they're just got, they're just like mad max rejects who are kind of strong. I guess, but like, I don't, what, what's their, what's their fucking deal? What, why does. Why doesn't super girl just rip all their heads off if she's into, she's into just killing them anyway, they're not invincible, like, I don't understand.
Mike00:47:25Their chief, their chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, surprise, fear, and an almost fanatical devotion to their sex trafficking. Like it's like, no, it's they're just, they're bad and they're mean and they're, and they're scary looking and that's kind of it and I totally agree with you on that and it's like, what, who, and, and, and the whole thing. Well, okay. Where else, where else to go? Like the story was just boring. I just, I was, I was bored the whole time. I was like, yeah, this is like, yeah, I get it. I know what's happening next. It's fine. Whatever. Like there was just nothing that surprising about the sort of the action or the, the, the way that the sort of arc of, of, uh, of, of super girl and all that stuff, it's like, okay, she's like, she's gotta kind of like get her life together, but I also felt, you know, for a movie, it's like, okay, here's a young. Super girl who is the polar opposite in attitude from her boy scout cousin. Right? Like she is like jaded and angry and hurt. And so she, like, she she's her, her reaction to all that is to like drink her stars away, but like, there's something, there's something of her Kryptonian, you know, like, uh, can do, you know, uh, super hero-ness. Speaking through like none of like, like that's, that's like an interesting idea. And it's just, it's, it could be, I'm saying it could be, I'm saying it could be, it's, it is pulled off in a, it is executed in a way that is just like so boring and uninteresting and kind of depressing and okay, now I'm gonna say something that is gonna, you know, maybe get me in trouble, like Millie Alcock. Is she is interesting looking, she is unusual looking even. And I think that could be very, uh, useful in, in Hollywood. Like you are distinctive looking and all that sort of thing. But like, I found her like kind of, I found her kind of odd looking to watch and I, I don't know, I just didn't, I didn't like it. Like, I, I just didn't like it.
Sonny00:49:42I, I, I realized I look again. I, I, I think no, no, I, I, I understand where you're coming from. And I, I like actually, I, I, I think she's very, I think she's a beautiful young lady, Mike. And I think it's really problematic that you're discussing her appearance this way. First, I just want to say that on the record. Yeah. You got that. You got that out.
Mike00:50:04You got that.
Sonny00:50:04I don't know that I'm going to be able to keep doing this show. Frankly, if you're going to talk about women this way, I will say that as I was watching the film, um, I was like, God, she looks a lot like Will Poulter. Yes. I was like, she looks, she looks like Will Poulter. And this is kind of freaking me out. Cause again, I actually don't, I don't think she's unattractive. I, I, I'm not saying that either, but I, but I do. I was, I was definitely like, she, she's got a, she's got a weird look to her. Um, which is, which again is fine. Um, it's fine.
Mike00:50:34It's just, it is.
Sonny00:50:36You're very shallow. No, I understand.
Mike00:50:38I'm shallow. And it's just, it's okay.
Sonny00:50:41It's okay, Mike. We, we know what, we know what your, we know what your deal is.
Mike00:50:46Um, anyway, uh, so. Okay. Beyond all that, I, I just, the whole thing was like, I honestly would have rather, I like the idea of a Lobo movie. Um, I found the, uh, the, the angry little girl with the sword, like, like build a movie around her. Like she's at least like cat kind of like an arc and she's got kind of motivation and,
Sonny00:51:08and I think, I think you're, I think you're hitting on something here. The problem is that, um, the, one of the problems is that the way Supergirl is written in this movie is that she is just a fucking boring sad sack. Yes. I don't like, I just, I, uh, depression is a real problem in the world and it's, and it's a thing that can be tackled by film. I don't think that anybody wants to watch a movie about a depressed superhero, uh, getting her, getting her shit. You know what? Another, another, another like little sub plot that struck the jump out, jumped out as me as a much more. Entertaining film is, um, so David Krumholtz plays, uh, plays the father of Kara in this, uh, Superman's uncle.
Mike00:51:55Yeah.
Sonny00:51:57Zor-El, I believe is his, his name. And there's this funny little bit. It's, it's like treated as an aside. It's not, it's not, it's not really hit on, but the, uh, there's this funny little bit where Zor-El is talking about, uh, Jor-El, his, his brother. And he's like, he like, kind of like, he's like, ah, Jor-El's back on his shit again. Yeah. He's like, throw this little shade at him. And, and, and I was just like, and, and then that got me thinking, of course, you know, it is kind of funny that like the whole, this movie has a much more straightforward superhero message where her parents are like, do good in the world. You know, you don't have to be, you don't have to be the greatest. You don't have to be the strongest. You don't have to be the bravest, but you can just be good. Be good, you know, be a good person. And it just contrasts very starkly to Jor-El who remember, like the funny thing in that movie was like, they finally translate Jor-El's message and he's like, you need to go to earth and become space Genghis Khan and have like a harem of women to, to repopulate Krypton, um, which has always, I've always, I still think that that was something they added after the fact, like to, I, cause like I, the way that that is, for me, Phrase the way that that's framed it, it has always struck out. It has always jumped out at me as like Lex Luthor doing fake news to like Sully to Sully Superman's reputation. And maybe not, maybe, maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just, but the, but the, um, but it, it just, it, there's a very funny, like kind of buddy comedy prequel series of like Bradley Cooper and David Krumholtz, the most unlikely brothers of all time, and they're competing visions for like what to do with this is great because like, if you, if I like, I'm sorry, you're I let's say you were a Kryptonian Mike, you're just a normal Kryptonian on Krypton. Just as a Kryptonian scientist, Joe Krypto, you're, you're, you're Mike L. The, uh, the, the Kryptonian podcaster, and you have become aware that there is a planet. That's not really that far away. You can send a ship there and get there. Not, not too much time. Where the sun turns you into a literal God. Yep. Why would your people still be on, on Krypton? Like I, I, I've never quite understood this about the Kryptonians. Like they understand, like they understand that this other, they are aware enough of the universe that they know of this other planet and they know specifically that the yellow sun and its radiation will give their Kryptonian biology super powers and yet they're just not gonna, they're not gonna do anything with that. They're just like, ah, we're here. We're here on our planet. We're gonna, we're gonna stay here. That's fine. I never made any sense to me.
Mike00:54:57There's a, there's a lot that doesn't make sense to me about Superman. Where does, so Krypto is a dog on their planet.
Sonny00:55:04So they have dogs on their planet on Kryptonians can't have dogs.
Mike00:55:09Yeah, well, I don't understand why. Okay. So I get that they're the aliens on Krypton. Are look like us, are they us? Like they're not the same species or are they, do they have the same species of animals on Krypton that we, like, none of that makes any sense to me. Like what, what, why did, well, this was always, this was always one of the
Sonny00:55:27great things about man of steel is that whole like 20 minute opening on Krypton, where they have like fucking pterodactyls and shit that they're flying around on. Oh yeah.
Mike00:55:38I, it just, like, I don't, I don't understand this feels to me like, you know, maybe this is a problem that I felt this now with many of the superhero movies that we've watched for this show, uh, since I've joined, but like, I'm just like, it's so done, it's so like the whole superhero movie thing is so spent. And like, it's clear, they're just, it's just, it is just a machine churning out crap and like hoping that people will eat it, eat it up and nobody's eating this up and I, I'm not surprised and I don't blame them.
Sonny00:56:14So, yeah, I mean, Spider-Man's about to be an enormous hit, so let's not totally.
Mike00:56:21No, no, but, uh, I just mean, but I do think, no, I do think you're right.
Sonny00:56:24That the, like kind of expand the broader thing of superheroes has, has kind of run out of gas, which is probably for the best. I mean, look, I, you know, I, I, who knows what will, what will come next in the giant cycle of, uh, of cinema, but, um, you know,
Mike00:56:44Um, all right, uh, you know what, I'll say this for outtakes, uh, any other thoughts on Supergirl 2026?
Sonny00:56:52No, I, I do just want that David Krumholtz Bradley Cooper series though. I think that would be a lot of fun.
Mike00:56:57That would be sort of a buddy, a buddy, buddy, a buddy cop, or like a two. Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Sonny00:57:03Uh, we gotta workshop this. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta, I think we, I think we can make it happen. You and me.
Mike00:57:08Absolutely.
Sonny00:57:08Uh, Hey Brad. Hey, Bradley, you remember that, uh, part that you did in a day, they paid you like 5 million bucks. Would you want to do that for a year as a TV show? Come on, let's go do it.
Mike00:57:19Uh, yeah, he's not doing anything lately. Uh, all right. Well, that is all the time we're going to give this episode. Join us over at sub beacon.com. Remember, uh, no episode next week while we read till while things are under construction here and, uh, we will see you on the other side, have a happy 4th of July and we will talk to you next time. The last thing that annoyed me was hearing Seth Rogan's voice out of that stupid little, you know, character on, uh, on the bus, you know, the little, like the little alien guy and just like hearing, I was just like, what was, what was the point of that? Like, it was so, it was so like, it was so obviously Seth Rogan and like distracting and like, like took me, I was like, wait, is this going to be like a character? You know? Like, and it was just this stupid little, like three minute cameo. And I just was annoyed.
Sonny00:58:20I will say that that was the one part of the movie that got like actual laughs from people. I saw it. So I saw it with like a paying audience. Right. And, and they were into that little guy. And between that and the little guys from the Mandalorian and Grogu, uh, I feel like we're in a, we're in a real rich era of like the minions, little guys, the minions, the minions coming out this. Minions and monsters. People love minions. They love little guys. It's a, it's a key, key little guy era we're in right now.
Mike00:58:51We're going to, we're going to be little guy maxing as the little guy. I'm sure it's fine.
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