#359. Supergirl (1984)
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This is a rewatch/big-boy-review episode built around the 1984 Supergirl, which Sonny, JVL, and Mike all agree is a genuine disaster — Mike says he texted the others mid-viewing asking "what the fuck is this movie" and calls it terrible and miserable, Sonny pinpoints the wildly tonally bizarre attempted-gang-rape-in-an-alley scene (starring a young Matt Frewer, pre-Max Headroom) as the moment he knew the film was doomed, and all three marvel that Faye Dunaway gets top billing over Helen Slater's title character while Peter O'Toole and Mia Farrow slum it through what feels like five different movies stitched together, including a witch subplot, a Faye-Dunaway-vs-gigolo (future Die Hard Harry Ellis actor Hart Bochner) romance, a Phantom Zone detour, and an out-of-control-machinery climax that runs far longer than the practical effects budget probably justified; JVL closes the segment recapping the film's famously troubled production, orphaned when Christopher Reeve bailed after Superman III bombed, ultimately landing at Cannon Films in a fire sale. They deliberately punt on reviewing the new 2026 Supergirl until next week. Before any of that, the front third is the usual hangout: Sonny's deep dive into World Cup streaming logistics (watching in 4K via Telemundo/Peacock over English-language Fox feeds) and a Spanish-lesson tangent, a debate over the pricey new Criterion Kubrick box set in which Sonny and JVL both defend Criterion against online complainers, a bit about the viral "Freddie" German World Cup tourist and whether he's an ad campaign, CIA op, or clip-farm creation, and Mike's Father's Day trip to a new token-only Alexandria arcade/bar (a Godzilla pinball machine, free N64/SNES play) that spins into a comparison of classic arcades versus Dave & Buster's as "the casino for children." A box office rundown covers Toy Story 5's massive $159.7M opening and the ongoing shock of Obsession's legs six weekends in.
From the show notes
We were going to address the new Supergirl at the end of this episode, but we ran out of time. NEXT WEEK, FOLKS. NEXT WEEK.
Full transcript
Guest00:00:00Alexander Salkind presents the action-packed adventures of a dazzling new superhero, starring Peter O'Toole. I must be sent to the Phantom Zone. Faye Dunaway, Mia Farrow.
JVL00:00:12Venus? When?
Guest00:00:16Brenda Vaccaro, Mark McClure.
JVL00:00:18That's Clark Kent's cousin.
Guest00:00:20Hart Bauchner, and introducing Helen Slater as Supergirl. Adventure runs in the family.
?00:00:30The Phantom Zone
Mike00:00:42Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who know how to murder someone in the Phantom Zone. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. That was my favorite line. Join us. Jonathan V. Over at Sub-Beacon.com. Tell your friends and family if they want to listen to the show, they've got to do it at Sub-Beacon.com. New episodes every Friday at Sub-Beacon.com. We are going to be talking about Supergirl later on in the show. Which Supergirl? You'll have to stay tuned and find out. But first, what is going on? Sonny Bunch, talk to us.
Sonny00:01:21What is going on? Let me tell you. Do you have World Cup fever? Oh, are we going to do some World Cup talk?
JVL00:01:29We want to do some soccer talk?
Sonny00:01:30Let me tell you, I do have World Cup fever. I get World Cup fever every four years because the, you know, as some longtime listeners will know, I grew up in England for a bit. I have I have lots of fucking residual soccer knowledge. I mentioned, you know, a couple of weeks ago, like my first legit paycheck job was as a referee, you know, as a as a referee for a rec league soccer game. So I get a lot. I get real excited this this time. Of year. And I love I love the World Cup. I love I love watching it. And I love watching. I love explaining World Cup things to people. This is very this is this is like when my most masculine urge to explain everything to my wife.
JVL00:02:17What have you been explaining?
Sonny00:02:19Well, I had to explain how the group rounds work. I had to explain how yellow cards work, how cumulative yellow cards work, what sort of fouls you get a red card. For, you know, what sort of what sort of passing strategies you're looking for? What sort of substitution strategies you're looking for? Got to talk about the new the new breaks, the Palsa de Hydration. And let me tell you, I've been watching the entire thing. I say Palsa de Hydration because I've been watching the entire thing on Telemundo. Telemundo. Because because because, you know, the we live in a world of streaming. I don't have a better feed, but I don't have your 10 feed. Well, so I have an H. Right. So I have an H. Antenna, which I could watch games on the H. Antenna via Fox. Right. Because that's what it's that's what it's broadcasting on. But I I don't know if you guys know this. Antenna suck ass.
JVL00:03:11Probably 1080p feeds. Antennas.
Sonny00:03:14Antennas are garbage. You can't you can't use an antenna for anything. So I only use those in cases of absolute emergency. And at this point, at this point in my streaming life, the only thing I ever really needed for is to watch a live Fox broadcast or a live ABC broadcast. If I'm not watching one of those two things, I don't typically need it. And I'm working around at this time with the Telemundo. So the way the rights package is divvied up, Fox has all of the English language games in the United States. I believe they're either on Fox or Fox Sports. But the but the Spanish language package is Telemundo, which is broadcast by Peacock. Peacock is Telemundo is part of the NBC Universal Empire. So it is on the Peacock streaming network. And so I can stream it in 4K, you know, beautiful, pristine quality. I don't unclear what the HDR grading on this is. I don't know if it's I don't know if it's if it's I don't know. I don't know how it's encoded, guys. I'm not I'm sorry. I'm not that I'm not that deep in the weeds here. A little disappointed.
Mike00:04:29Not that deep in the weeds.
Sonny00:04:31OK, but it's that's the limit of where you speak Spanish well enough to parse what they're saying. Oh, no, no. I speak I speak a little bit of Spanish. I speak a little bit. I mean, I I can understand Spanish. If somebody speaks Spanish to me, un poco, un poco de. Yes, yo tengo un poco de Espanol. So but I'm not nearly enough to like not not no entiendo. No entiendes Juan. One one last. I'm I'm totally off the rails here. I had been planning on talking about something else entirely, but we don't need to talk about. No, this is this is this. Speaking of encoding, this gets to the thing I really actually was going to. So I don't know if you guys saw you at JBL. You're a physical media nerd. You're a 4K collector now, right? You you are you're buying lots of movies because your lovely wife has purchased for you a 4K player and you're taking advantage. Of all this, the what the Criterion Collection put out a is putting out is putting out in October a set, a full set of Stanley Kubrick. This and you're an enormous Stanley Kubrick fan.
JVL00:05:42Oh, I love it. You're so good. You're number one. You're number one filmmaker. Barry Lyndon. Oh, what?
Sonny00:05:49This has this. Eyes Wide Shut had something to it is quite a movie. Thank you very much. But this this release has caused a lot of the film Twitter socialist. You know, who don't have very much money because they spend all their time on film, Twitter and doing socialism to complain about the set because it's so expensive. It's six hundred six hundred dollars. Now, nobody pays six hundred dollars. Well, it's the it's all the movies. So it's it's like 30 discs. It's like 30, 20 dollars a movie. It's 30 discs. It's about well, it's about 30 dollars a movie once you do it, once you buy it on like the half the half year. But there's only 10 Stanley Kubrick movies. This is one of the reasons why Stanley Kubrick is like the great. I have described him in the past as baby's first auteur because you there aren't that many movies he hasn't made. He didn't make that many movies and they're all in pretty accessible genres, right? Like crime, thriller, horror, sci-fi, whatever sword and sandal comedy, sword and sandal teenage teenage lust in Lolita. Anyway, the but the. The my point here is the set. The set's expensive. It's not cheap. It's a $600 set. It's $300 during the regular 50% off sales. You if you if you buy it, then that's about $30 a movie, which is about what it breaks down to if you bought them all separately. But people are people are complaining and complaining about this. And like nothing activates my vestigial like. Impulses more than seeing people complain about things they don't have to buy. Anyway, being expensive, like if you don't want to use consumption, if you don't want to spend the money on and look, here's the thing. I'm not going to spend the money on it because I've already bought half those movies on 4K anyway, and I own the other half on Blu-ray. I'm not like there's no reason for me to spend that sort of money on it. And so I'm not going to buy it. But I'm also not going to sit here and act like it's some sort of imposition on the world of film fandom. There was a guy who was like, they're just sucking the film lovers. Dry out there. They're sucking them dry. The criterion doesn't even care about. And I just want to I just want to I just want to tell that person to get a fucking life, man. Go get a real job so you can afford to buy this thing if you want it. Because I am so tired of hearing people complain about the cost of these things. You know, it's expensive. You know, it's expensive scanning a negative into a 4K and then encoding it for Dolby Vision. Speaking of encoding, that's what brought me back to this. Like that is not that's not cheap. That's you're looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars. A movie for probably not with these because they many of them already have like pretty good 4K scans. But like you're still looking at tens of thousands of dollars a disc and remastering them.
JVL00:08:40Surely what's that? They're remastering them. Surely what?
Sonny00:08:44And so they are. They are. My understanding is that they are re encoding all of them for Dolby Vision, which is, you know, involves color timing and. Yeah. And that sort of thing, which, again, takes time, is done by professionals.
JVL00:08:59Is not you person on Twitter do that? Could you color correct and encode? No, absolutely. They could not.
Sonny00:09:09I could do it. They could do it. So it sounds easy. I just like it. It's one of these things that drives me. It drives me a little bit crazy because like if you don't if you don't want the thing, don't buy the thing. But don't act. Don't act like the company out there is like is screwing people on this. Because you don't want to pay the money for it. Like that's I think that's what drives me. It's not it's not bread. It's I mean, I like if Criterion wanted to charge six hundred dollars for a box of bread, they could probably do that and somebody would buy it. But but it's not it's not bread or water or air. You don't need it to live.
Mike00:09:48But it's a fuck up. It's maybe it's a compliment to Stanley Kubrick. You know, it's it it feels as vital as bread or air or water to these. Well, this is my this is my bread.
JVL00:10:03I'm I'm maybe a little more offended than you are, Sonny. Oh, because here we go. If you love movies, if you love film, don't you want a company like Criterion to exist? Well, they Criterion is not just they are not putting out VHS pan and scan rips of air bud to sell in a bin at Walmart. People who are preserving access to the best possible copies of important films. Don't you want that to exist in the world?
Sonny00:10:41Well, the second order, the second order part of this is that the Criterion, the Stanley Kubrick box set will be very successful for them probably and will sell many copies. And you know what that will do? It will fund the restorations of world cinema classics that nobody. Buys that nobody buys even from the Criterion collection, right? Like it is going to that's that's going to, you know, I don't know. It drives me crazy.
JVL00:11:09Yeah. Yeah, I really mean, I understand the anti price gouging sentiment that runs through people. But that has to be balanced against if there are things that you want to exist in the world, then you need to a support them. Or be at least champion them. Right. If you if you are not going to buy the Kubrick collection, please, like, don't shit all over Criterion Collection for doing this. Fuck those people.
Mike00:11:42Yeah. Given social, it's a bad name. Well, you're right. Like, yes, they need that.
Sonny00:11:47It's not like it really takes much, much effort to give them a bad name.
Mike00:11:51No, but there I mean, there's also like there's the, you know, my a libertarianist question of like, what does it matter? What does it matter to them? Like, they're like, are they like desperate to buy this? I don't know. Like, I guess that I guess that's what they're saying, right? Is they need this and they want to buy it and they just don't have the money for it. But like, they're not going to buy it. It's like, it doesn't bother me that there are things that I would never I would never spend money on this on this Stanley Kubrick collection. But it doesn't bother me that what they're charging. Maybe maybe that's the difference. So JVL, what's going on with you?
JVL00:12:27Yeah. So just to close the loop. On last week's show, the Drake Investment Building, I installed it. It's glorious. I sent you guys a video of it. I would like to do just a tiny little bit of soccer talk and then move on quickly because we have a lot a lot of Supergirls to discuss.
Sonny00:12:43I don't love soccer.
JVL00:12:46But I do enjoy the World Cup because my view of soccer is that a lot of like a lot of soccer feels like midseason NBA games. You know, like it's like just, you know, you go to a typical MLS match or something. It's just, you know, but the World Cup people care. Like the players really care. And that's all I need for stakes. I don't even need to understand the game. But, you know, for seeing people who really care about the game, their plan, that's the juice. And and I enjoy that.
Mike00:13:24Can I ask a question that's nothing to do with what's happening on the on the soccer field? Sure. You guys have undoubtedly seen this Freddie guy, this German fan who is going around the United States and marveling at Buc-ee's.
Sonny00:13:41I have not. Oh, well, greatest CIA op in the last 20 years.
Mike00:13:45So this was my question. I was like, so, OK, so JVL to bring you up to speed. So starting, what was this, like a week and a half ago or whatever, there is this. Whenever the World Cup started. Twitter account. It was even a few days before because he like arrived early. There's this Twitter account that purports to be a German soccer fan who was over here and he like flew into Atlanta to enter the United States and he spent several days. The reason I got my attention is because he spent several days like in places that I grew up going to and like seeing, you know, things like Chattanooga, Tennessee, you know, and being like, wow, what an amazing place. We went to the we went to the Waffle House and wasn't that great. And then he sort of started driving toward Texas where he was going to see his first match. And so he drove through, you know, just drove from the area, you know, someplace in Louisiana. He was like marveling. Maybe they were in New Orleans or something sort of. And so he's been going around the country posting pictures and videos from his perspective of like all these crazy great things. I see he went to a Buc-ee's and he has. Has become a minor celebrity. There was some poll that found like 17% of people polled in America, like we're following Freddie in some form or fashion, like following what he was doing. And he's like going around doing all these people are giving him stuff. And, uh, and there is something that is very funny when we find out he's actually a.
JVL00:15:20AFD plant. Right, right. Well, so, okay.
Mike00:15:23So he could be, he could be, yeah, yeah. He's like the milkshake duck, you know? Uh, oh no, Freddie, Freddie's actually like a Nazi.
JVL00:15:28I'm gonna ask Freddie what he thinks about, uh, I don't know, Turkish immigrants.
Mike00:15:33Uh, but a CIA op is a possibility. I thought, I thought this was an op for a brand and I've been thinking this from the beginning. Like this is all going to end as some kind of Nike ad or something like that. And, uh, I, I, I want to know what you guys thought, but JBL you're, you're sort of unfamiliar. I bet if you sort of like, like looked at what he's been posting, you, you might be able, you know, sort of an alien coming from outside to tell us. How our society really is. You might be able to like determine what, what the truth is, but Sonny, you think, you think it's an op.
Sonny00:16:05This Freddie guy, I mean, I don't think it's actually a CIA op, but if, if it had been a CIA op, it would have been the most successful intelligence, you know, like, uh, America promotion activity of all time. I mean, the whole thing, like there was a piece in the Atlantic that was like these, some of these world cup influencers, aren't who they seem there's a. Uh, one of, one of the women who was getting lots of attention is an only fans model. And it's just like, well, no shit. Like I'm like, like I are like, are you, are you, I don't understand what you're pointing. Like what's your, what's your argument here?
JVL00:16:44That this is only following her because she takes her clothes off on the internet.
Sonny00:16:49Like, like, okay, good job. Good job. You cracked the case. Uh, the, the Freddie thing is interesting because it, it's the one that does feel the. Um, it feels the most organic, but that is probably like the best clue that it is not. There was a, there was a piece in God, there was a piece in vulture magazine, a couple last month, maybe, or, or a couple of weeks before that, um, that was about marketing, like clips, like the clip farmers, right? Like, so like, if you, you, you're a movie studio, you put out a trailer for a thing. And then what you do is you go to discord and you offer people money to make like fan edits of the thing. And, and if they get on the, you put them on social media and you pay them, you know, 10 bucks per thousand views or whatever. Right. And like, this is a whole thing. Like everything, everybody does this for everything. This is a, this is a constant, this is a constant, uh, uh, thing. And so anytime, anytime you see people talking about stuff. On the internet online, there is like a 95% chance that it originated in one of these like clip farming campaigns. Yes. And I, uh, that has been haunting me for the last six weeks. I like, I can't, I can't get it out of my head because it does, it does just get to the artificial nature of our entire existence. Um, like nothing, nothing that. I have, I have like a big grand scheme thought, like a big, a big overview thought that this is like, this is how publications will survive. Right. Like you, if you, if we have outsourced all of our, uh, information gathering to social media and now social media has been taken over by bots talking to bots like that, like it's, it's, it's, uh, it, that is what, that is what the world of social media is now. And so now. We're like retreating to like, okay, we need gatekeepers. I need, I need gatekeepers. But the problem with this is that like the gatekeepers themselves are, are like determining what they're writing about based on what they see people talking about in their Twitter feed. And like, it's, it's, it's almost impossible to disaggregate, um, where anything is coming from. And it's very, I, like, I find it all very post-human in a way that I greatly dislike. It's unsettling. It feels like a nice story. And part of me is like, this would be, maybe it's viral social marketing. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's a government op. I don't, I mean, I don't actually think that, but that would be amazing if it was. I would be in favor of that. If the CIA was doing that, that'd be great. Um, but like the, there's another part of me that's just like, okay, who's putting the like Freddie clips into the, you know, into the discord servers and saying, Hey, we need, we need this. We need 17,000 views on this thing. And like, I, uh, I don't like it.
Mike00:20:01I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of with you, even though, even though I enjoy the content, like divorced from any of those concerns. Like, it's like, oh, like again, but like I'm being worked here. Like, I'm like, oh, a German enjoys Waffle House. Um, so anyway, shoot.
JVL00:20:19It's all, it's all, it's a work shoot.
Mike00:20:22Michael, what's up with you, buddy? Uh, well, speaking of Godzilla, I sent you guys, uh, some photos of my father. Father's day, which is apparently this is becoming like, I, I think my wife thinks that I'm just like a old video game degenerate. Uh, you know, that I'm obsessed with this because this is now the second father's day where, um, the, the sort of event or the trip or activity has been to go to an arcade that has old video games, old kind of, uh, the, the, the big, um, uh, old arcade video games as well as pinball machines. Uh, and, uh, and so this was a different one. Then we had gone to last time. Uh, this has a like full restaurant and bar as well. And, uh, it's, it was a lot of fun.
JVL00:21:08It was. How close was it? Cause last year you went to one that was like an hour and a half away.
Mike00:21:12Yeah. So this was in, this was, uh, more like 25, 20 minutes away. It was just an old town Alexandria. Um, yeah.
JVL00:21:19So this exists in old town Alexandria now.
Mike00:21:22Yes. Where? So it is on the north side of old town. Um, sort of, uh, where I used to live. Yeah. Kind of, kind of near where you used to live. Um, uh, sort of, you know, you know, the McDonald's on, uh, on, on Patrick, it's like kind of behind that. Um, and so it's, uh, it's called, uh, I guess we'll give them some free advertising here.
JVL00:21:43I used to be able to walk to that spot.
Mike00:21:45Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like, it's all like new gentrified stuff, but it's, um, the place is called continues and it's, um, it's, I liked the concept of it better. So the, the, the one way I went to, I guess it was last year, maybe. The year before I think it was last year, um, was fun. It's like in the back of a old, uh, retro media store. Um, you know, so where you can buy records and, and, and video games and things. And it's like in the back of that, this place that we went to this year, like I said, as a restaurant and bar and it's all, it's all sort of built around the video games as well. And, um, it is, it's got a lot of cool features to it. So one was that. Um, you play with actual tokens, uh, which you buy and they're essentially 25 cents a token in every machine takes one or two tokens, uh, to play. So some take two, most take one.
JVL00:22:39They're very cheap.
Mike00:22:40Um, exactly. And there's no tickets, there's no cards, you know, so there's no tickets to buy crap that you don't need. Um, it is definitely kid friendly, but not kid oriented, if that makes sense. Um, and so like our kids were not the only. Only ones there, but there were quite a few grownups with no kids. Um, there's like a big party, like a birthday party of like, you know, some nerdy 30 something, 30 and 40 somethings. Um, so that was great. I mean, so they had, they had all the classics, right? Pac-Man, Mrs. Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, uh, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. Donkey Kong, by the way, I have not like played, uh, in a while and that shit hard. It's a hard game. That is a hard game. It's a hard game.
Sonny00:23:26Fuck Donkey Kong. Stupid game. Stupid game. Garbage controls. I've always hated Donkey Kong.
Mike00:23:33There was also like Simpsons bowling. Um, they had, uh, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle four player game. The four player. Yeah. Um, they had, uh, a lot of other.
Sonny00:23:43Did they have the X-Men four player game?
Mike00:23:44No, that, that was, TMNT was the only four player game they had. Um, they had this Star Wars game that my middle son, my eight year old loved, uh, where you sit. It's, it's not all, it's, it's, it's not as old as those others. Um. But you sit with like, uh, with like a joystick and you're like fly. It's not the, it's not the, um, the green and black.
JVL00:24:05Vector graphic.
Mike00:24:06Not the vector graphic one. Not the vector graphic one.
JVL00:24:08It's more advanced and it's. But it's the Star Wars trilogy. Yes, it's the Star Wars trilogy. That's right.
Mike00:24:13You know that game.
JVL00:24:13Um, so lots of other good games. Get to the pinball machines, Michael.
Mike00:24:17Before I get to the pinball, they also had two skeeball, uh, ones as well. So that was, that was fun. Uh, the pinball was great. I sent you a picture. What I played was Godzilla. Uh. And, uh, and so I really enjoyed that. I, I, I could have used a new Drake building, you know? Right.
JVL00:24:33You saw their garbage Drake building and thought, what are you? Are you people farmers? Generic Drake building. What are you? Poor. Stock. The stock Drake building. I'm sorry. I expect a higher class of machine here, sir.
Sonny00:24:46May I don't use to your manager. They don't use the stock Drake machine in the criterion office. I can tell you that much.
Mike00:24:53Needless to say. Um, so, so, uh, that, that was a lot of fun. It was. I see why it is the most popular, uh, pinball machine. Very accessible. It is accessible. I got two, at least two, maybe three, like multi balls. Um, and I was, I was, I felt like I lost balls less quickly than I normally do on pinball.
JVL00:25:18It's a very long play game. Yes. And it flows and flow is one of the thing that people enjoy about pinball without realizing it is the flow of the game where one shot flows into another. And this thing, again, it's a Keith Elwin design and it's his masterpiece and he is the king flow and it's something else.
Mike00:25:41Well, it was great. I, that was the only one I played.
JVL00:25:43My oldest, what did the kids play?
Mike00:25:45My oldest, uh, was the only one who played pinball, uh, as well. Uh, and he played the Pokemon, uh, pinball machine, which is brand new.
JVL00:25:52It's like three months old. Is it? Okay.
Mike00:25:55Mixed reviews on Pokemon. Uh, I think he liked it. Like he doesn't know what he, you know, he, he's not like playing pinball all the time.
JVL00:26:01So I'm, I'm, he's, you know, all that matters is he enjoyed it. He did enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing about pinball. What, how do you grade a pinball machine? Did you like it? If you liked it, then it's good.
Mike00:26:12Um, I would say the other, the other comments real quick. And then, uh, uh, I'd be interested in your, you guys' thoughts on, on the whole experience. Um, so my, so my three and a half year old, like he really wanted to play. And so it was just a matter of like. Putting him like in front of a machine that he could reach and just like pressing buttons. Um, and what did you give him?
JVL00:26:35Uh, track and field.
Mike00:26:37No, I can't remember. Well, at one point he was doing, um, oh shoot. What is the, there was another old school game that I can't remember, but it was of the donkey Kong Jr. Variety sort of, or, you know, there was just a button and a joystick and he was, we didn't even put tokens in half the time. Um, and, uh, but, but the best, the best. Thing that this place had was they had, so like in the restaurant, which is how you walk in and, and there's like a bar and a kitchen and then a collection of tables. Um, oh, a couple of things. So what one is you can buy tokens. They have like a, a cash machine. You just put cash in. You could also buy tokens from your waitress. Like she will bring you like a cup of tokens and just throw it on your, on your, on your dinner bill. Um, which is, which is also cool. Um, they have little cups to keep them into. Um, but the best thing was. There were two TVs, like old school TVs. Like the one that the, that, uh, the one of them was like very small, um, sort of in like a console shaped thing in the corners of the dining room on like elevated platforms with like a, each had a big comfy leather couch and some other seats in a, in a, uh, coffee table. And then one was Nintendo 64 and the other was super Nintendo. And they just had for free. You didn't have to pay anything. You had, they had, um, like Mario cart 64. On the one and, uh, super Mario three on the other. And, uh, you could just like, if it was free, you could just go up there and play it. And it was, it was great. It was like, this is a place that clearly like just loves video games and just wants people to enjoy it and have a good time. So it was 100%, it was millennial gen ed. There's quite a few gen X, uh, uh, coded games as well. So, uh, it was fun. It was a nice little diversion on father's tape. So that's, that's, uh, that's what I got.
Sonny00:28:28I feel like, I feel like, uh, arcades have kind of diverged into two separate paths, right? Where you have the Dave and Buster's type, which are kind of designed to, they, they use the cards and it's all about kind of like tricking you into how much you're spending on any given game at any time. It's like, that's right. This many, this many credits, it's like seven tokens for this one and you get like 500 tokens or you can, you can spend a little bit more and get 600 like, and then you have, then you have. Like this, where it's like, it's one quarter or two quarters, it's one token or two tokens per thing. And I have to say, I, I so radically prefer that second route, like in part because it's in part because it's cheap, but also just cheaper, but also just because I'm like, I'm tired of having to do math problems in my head every time I go to Dave and Buster's and trying to figure out, you know, to the extent that I like, I basically will only take the kids to Dave and Buster's if there's a birthday party going on or if it if or if there's like one of the like, unlimited play for two hours, you know, 3030 bucks, two hours or whatever. And like, I will do that. But man, I, I just like, I hate it so much.
Mike00:29:46Here's the difference. Dave and Buster's is the casino for children. And yeah, these places like what I went to is like an elevated version of playing. poker with your buddies. Like, like, that's it. That's the like, you don't go play poker with your buddies to like, in the dreams of like cleaning up. I mean, maybe you do, but like, I certainly don't. But like, you go to like, hang out with God with with your friends and like, drink some beers and play a little cards and like, you know, shit talk each other. And like, you have no interest in, you know, like you have no dreams of, you know, and it feels like Dave and Buster's it's like, it's just, it's just the next level.
JVL00:30:28Of like playing on kids desire for cheap plastic shit. Uh, and, and, and bright lights and, and, and, and tying it to redemptions is part of it. And in a weird way, Dave and Buster's is like a physical version of mobile gaming and in-game currencies. Yes. Where, you know, you're being sent on missions and you had a fair way. Hold on. The units of currency within this game are there's gold, there's diamonds and there's XP. And you purchase them in different ways and you can't actually purchase the XP with dollars. You can only purchase them by combining gold and diamonds. The gold you purchase, you know what I mean? Like in the whole reason, I mean, in-game currencies are designed like casinos to confuse you and get you to spend more actual dollars. That's right. And that's what Dave and Buster's is. Yeah. And I resent, I like, I resent that. And the, I much, I'm much perverse.
Sonny00:31:28I prefer the, like, you know, the, the kind of, and I do feel like this is like, this is the actual natural market response to the decline of the arcade, right? Is like, all right, the demand for it is not there. So we need to lower the price and make it simpler. And like, I feel like, again, I just, I just, and it's so much better than... Totally. I, I prefer like the, we, I, I mentioned, I've mentioned this before, but the Nickel Ramas, where it's like, you go and it's like five cents a play or sometimes it's, you know, 10 cents a play or whatever. But like...
Mike00:32:28is, is like the better burger version at the beginning of the better burger revolution, right? Where like, it's like, cause you, I think I certainly am spending more at this place cause we're buying dinner, we're getting, uh, drinks, uh, the grownups are, and it's like, it's, it is like a whole evening out, but it's so much more satisfying and better quality that I think we're getting at David Busters. So, um, that's my view of that, but we should move on. Um, let's talk about the box office because this week at the box office, the number one movie to no one's surprise is toy story five raking in a nice 159.677 million dollars in its opening weekend. Nothing else is close disclosure day, uh, falling to number two, uh, in its second week, 60% drop followed by obsession back rooms. And scary movie rounding out the top five. Do we have box office thoughts? This is not a surprise, right? That toy story five is not just a number one, but, but doing pretty great numbers.
Sonny00:33:40No, I don't, I don't think anyone is surprised by that. Uh, you know, the, the real question is, I mean, it's gonna, it's gonna gross more in its second weekend than super girl grosses in its first weekend. Probably by like, it may gross twice as much. Frankly, I feel like super girls about to. Really bomb here. Um, you know, in a way we have not seen since the, the heyday of Craven and Morbius. Um, not that bad. Do you think that bad? No, it won't be quite that bad, but I, if it, if it, I would be a little surprised if it cracks 40. I think was like a 35 million birds of prey open to 33. Yeah. I mean, I would say birds of prey is probably close, but like birds of prey was rated R. Um, and it had a budget of $84 million. And this, this is a PG 13 movie that apparently had $170 million budget. What they spent it on. No idea. Maybe we can, we can discuss that in a minute. Um, yeah, yeah. Uh, no, but this is your jaw off the floor, JBL. But, uh, this is a huge, huge hit. Uh, people love the toy story movies. It's most successful franchise maybe ever, uh, in terms of longevity and decades and generations. Great. John Ratzenberger can keep dining out on the trivia note that he's the highest grossing actor in the history of movies. I think that's a little known fact. I think that's basically right. Uh, disclosure day, big drop, but not surprising because that movie was not, did not do very well with audiences. Um, critics aside, obsession continues to do very well dropping just 30. This, so this is obsession six, sixth weekend. And this is the first weekend. Amazing. It has grossed less than its opening weekend. That's amazing. So that's a, that's a fun fact for you. That's a fun fact. The total is like 215 million. Total is the domestic total is 215. Uh, worldwide's three 30. So it's probably going to get up to three 75 to 400 million, which again, which is a movie cost 10 movie. What's that? What is the multiplier on it from opening weekend? The opening from opening? Oh no. From opening weekend. It's already well past that. Uh, let me hold on. Let me do some quick math. Uh, 17 million that it's, uh, currently at, I believe a 13 multiple, a 13 X multiple right around that anyway, which is a 12 and a half, 12 and a half. That's pretty good. It's it's people love this movie. Absolutely amazing. The YouTube generation is, uh, is coming, uh, is, is here. They are. They are here. Have no, I like genuinely have never seen, I was on, I did one of the ankler shows, the one with Sean McNulty, um, earlier in the week. And
JVL00:36:58I, I, I just, as I said about obsession, I've just never seen anything like this. I mean, there are other movies that have had very good legs and you know, you get the horror movies that have the good return on investment like this. What's that? Blair Witch is the only thing I can think of. That's close. But even Blair Witch went bigger like over like in the first five weeks, I think it gained ground because they kept putting on more screens. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's the thing is that this hasn't, this hasn't been platforming at all really.
Sonny00:37:28Right. Like, so paranormal activity platformed for its first three weeks and, and did you mean like plateaued? It's, it's, it's where, where it was. Is that what you mean? Well, no platforming. So platforming releases, you release it on five screens and then 50 screens and then. Oh, I see. I see. So that's, that's called platforming. And that's what paranormal activity did. Right. They released it on, they released it in like 10 cities and then they released it in 25 cities and then it went wide. And, and, but I just I like, I, I don't, it's, it's wild. I, I, I cannot. And again, the, the really interesting thing is the weekday numbers, which continue to be very strong. I mean, it, uh, it is once again, um, I, I'm just going to go to the Tuesday chart. Uh, it is once again, the number two movie in the country. Um, it is, you know, it's, it is grossing more on weekdays than disclosure day, which came out more recently. I mean, disclosure day is in its 12th day of release. Uh,
Mike00:38:28you know, scary movie is in its 19th. Uh, I just, it's, it's wild. It's, it's putting up wild numbers. So, well, and, and not just, I mean, this is a comparing within a company, but I was just sort of curious, uh, seeing where things are, uh, through today, through, through Tuesday, I guess, uh, toy story five has now outgrossed star Wars, the Mandalorian and Grogu like total. And, and, and that movie is
Sonny00:38:58has been out for five plus weeks. I mean, it's just like, I mean, like that's, uh, yeah, that it's, uh, it's, uh, yes. Well, again, I, I don't think that was, I don't think anybody is, I don't think anybody was like that surprised by this result. Maybe, maybe at the speed with which it happened. I do think that, you know, the Mandalorian and Grogu is not going to get to $200 million. I will say it's, it's hanging around a little better than I thought these in these later weeks. But it's going to lose all its screens to Toy Story five and, and minions and monsters over the next couple of weeks here.
Mike00:39:34My kids are trying to finish the series so that they can, cause they really want to go see the movie, but not until they finished the series. So, um, so they've been trying to do that in, uh, the, since they've been off of school. So maybe they'll do that soon. Um, any other box office thoughts? All right, well, let's move on and talk about the movie that, uh, and not just the movie, the, the, the franchise, the, the IP, if you will. Of, uh, of a movie that is coming out, uh, this weekend, Supergirl. Now I did not see the new Supergirl. We all watched the 1984, uh, Supergirl, which is in the same cinematic later. Ooh, Helen Slater, uh, in the same cinematic universe, although they didn't call it that back then, uh, as the original Richard Donner, Superman and, uh, and the, and the, and the, uh, sequels to that.
Sonny00:40:28Uh, should we talk about that Superman first or Supergirl first, or should we talk about, I'm hoping for a double big boy review. So Sonny, why don't you give us, I don't have, I can't do, I can't do a double big boy review, but I can do one after the other. We could do one. We could do a second big boy review later. Okay. Well, yeah, let's a double feature, if you will, of the, we're going to start with 1984. We're going to start, let's do it chronologically. Let's go start in the past and work forward. All right. Uh, hold on one second. I have to look up the director of this film because I have already forgotten his ridiculous name. All right. Supergirl 1984 starring Helen Slater, who does not get first billing in this film, by the way. I don't know if you guys noticed this during the opening credits. Faye Dunaway. Faye Dunaway. Faye Dunaway gets opening. She, she gets the, uh, she gets the big, the big shout out here, which is very funny because the, the way I, I, I love looking at the credits for these old movies because it's, it's funny to see who gets, who gets put where. So, uh, Faye Dunaway gets a big, um, Faye Dunaway gets like the, she's the opening title card, like the Faye Dunaway starring Faye Dunaway. I was like, Faye Dunaway, she's not Supergirl. No, Helen Slater, second bill that she's Supergirl. Um, this movie also has Mia Farrow in it, who is just, just, just shows up halfway through the credits. Not a big deal. Mia Farrow Uh, you know, Peter O'Toole, but, and then Peter O'Toole gets the, Peter O'Toole gets the and, which is again, just very, uh, very funny. Um, so, uh, Supergirl, uh, opens in the bottle city of Argo. I guess I can't, I, I, when, when was Kandor introduced? Uh, JBL was that, is that a later? That's a great question. I don't know why they use Argo and not Kandor. Is that a, is that a post 1986? Like post John Byrne, man of tomorrow thing. I don't know. Anyway, uh, Argo, Argo city is, uh, where Kara Zor-El lives. She is Kal-El. That's Clark Kent's cousin. She lives in this, she lives in this, like, I guess under a lake. She lives under a lake. Is that where she, that's where she emerges from? It's an inner space.
JVL00:42:51Different, in different dimension. So when Krypton was being destroyed, uh, the scientists. In Argo found a way to take Argo and fold it into another dimension. Kind of a little bit like what happens in the book three of the three body problem series.
Sonny00:43:08Haven't read that, but I'll take your word for it. Uh, all right. So the, um, they're in, they're in inner space. They're in the inner, in an inner dimension. And, uh, they are powered by a little ball and super girl, like an idiot brings a dragon fly to life and it. It destroys the outer shell of this city and the, the ball gets sucked into space and she has to go get it to save everybody. Uh, and the guy who, uh, caused all this to happen was played by Peter old tool sentences himself to live in the phantom zone. We'll come back to that. We'll come back to the phantom zone. Don't you worry. I know you got a lot of questions about the phantom zone. I've got a lot of questions about the phantom zone, but, uh, so, so super girl goes to earth and she gets there and she's like, Oh look, I got superpowers cause I got yellow sun now. Woo. I'm a fly around. And she lands in, um, I guess what we can only describe as rape alley where Matt Frewer and his, his friend, that's max headroom. Yeah. That's so funny. Cause I, so I think I know that guy. Yeah. It's, it's Matt Frewer. So max headroom is there and he's like, we're gonna, we're gonna, Hey, look at you hot lady in a Superman costume. All right. So here's the thing. You come across strange girl in a super girl costume and you're like, okay, I don't know what's going on here, but she's very attractive and I would like to sexy time with her. And so we're gonna, we're gonna vaguely threaten her and then probably like more realistically threaten her. And so you do this and she first, I don't like, I don't want to, I don't want to make light of this situation because it's really pretty dark. But, uh, in this PG, uh, Superman, uh, movie, the Superman spinoff, the super girl movie, um, they do like, they are like, we're going to gang rape you here in this alley. And, and, and you would think you would think so this could, so first off she, uh, she, she takes one of them and lifts him by the neck and then blows him with her mouth through a fence. And if you were a person who lives in a universe where Superman exists and his exploits are regular, regularly seen on TV and you're like, they talk to these two ruffians say, Oh, are you, you love that Superman? So they're familiar with Superman's work. They understand the, the, the powers of Superman. They are familiar with the man of steel, if you will. And so she has just demonstrated that she is clearly some sort of Superman like individual. To the first of these guys, the second guy is like, I'm not done yet and pulls out a switchblade. And I'm just like, I'm just sitting there and I'm thinking, do you think that's going to work? Do you think your switchblade will work on this woman of steel?
Mike00:46:27Or let the trucker industry off? Like maybe, maybe there are truckers out there who are like driving around for work in the middle of the night and are just looking to get into some trouble. But it's like, it's not like they're drunk walking or home from the bar or doing it. They're like, they're on the clock. What is like, and all of a sudden they've like got this plan to like rape a supergirl. It makes none of it makes any sense.
JVL00:46:50After she uses her, her heat vision on him, he still wants to fight. He's still trying to fight her.
Sonny00:46:57He's like, I'm going to fuck up supergirl. This guy is thinking, and I'm just like, all right, you're, you deserve whatever. Frankly, she should have ripped his head right off his shoulders. She should have just like the end of a Mortal Kombat match fatality. There are a lot of people who deserve to be decapitated in this film among them. So she, she goes, she decides she's tired of sleeping in the forest and she's like, I'm going to go live in this school where she just instantly becomes roommates with Lois Lane's cousin, uh, niece, Lois Lane's niece, cousin, high school, little sister, whatever, whatever their relationship, it's a prep high school. I think it's like, it's not stated whether it's a high school or a college. No, I think it's a prep. It's definitely a high school. It's definitely a high school because they have to be like checked out and stuff. Yes. I think back in the sixties, this was a thing that used to happen at all women's colleges as well. This movie came out in 1984.
JVL00:47:57But yes, but the, the, the all girls school environment, which we are shown is very much not in the same era, like the social era as say fast times at Ridgemont high. Okay. It is, it is a very like 50s, 60s era.
Sonny00:48:16No, you're right. That's, that's basically right. It's definitely not a public school. It's a private school and it's got private, private school kid problems among them, the bullies who are constantly. Trying to murder Lois Lane sister for some reason. They're like, they're like, first of all, they're tripping their own teammates on the field hockey field, which feels like one thing. It'd be one thing if it was like an intramural game and they were the opposition, but it's like her own teammate. They're like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna fuck her up because she sucks so much. I don't know why she sucks so much. I mean, she's Lois Lane sister. So she's probably a giant pain in the ass. Let's be, let's be real here. But the, but like, okay, fair enough. All right. So they're, they're, they're like, we're going to fuck this girl up. And then they try to murder her with the field hockey ball and it explodes on super. How hard did they hit this ball that it explodes on contact with Supergirl? I want to know. I want to powder. It like blows up into like, it doesn't, it's not like it just like 600 miles an hour. The ball, the ball doesn't just like, like flatten a little bit. It explodes like it has been fired out of a particle accelerator into a lead wall. Okay. And so the girls then are like, actually, now we're going to horribly scald everybody in this, in this, in this shower room. We're going to disfigure them permanently. And I'm just like, God, what a bunch of, she should have also, she should have also cut their heads off. And then, and then, but I've been ignoring the fact that the Faye Dunaway subplot of this thing is totally insane. I haven't talked about the leading lady in this movie. I haven't talked about Faye Dunaway at all. So Faye Dunaway is a witch who has like pretty shitty witch powers, but then she gets the magical ball from the, from the, you know, the inner space, uh, it lands in her Russian dressing or something. And she's like, finally, I'm going to have real powers. And she uses it to immediately, uh, put a, a love spell on a man who is very obviously a gigolo who is very, she, this, this, this So this, this handyman who's all around town and like, there's even a line, there's even a line where she's like, um, uh, she's like, I see you around a lot. And he says, I get a lot of repeat business. People like my work. And I'm just like, he's talking about sex. He's taught, he is seducing all of the women in this town. You don't need to put a spell on him. You just need $50. That's all you need. And like, and, but he's also like, he's borderline, he's borderline mentally challenged. Cause he, he has like, he's like, uh, he's like, Oh, what's going on here? He's like, I'm here to fix diner cobble. And like, it's like, all right, fine. All right. Uh, all of this is going on. Um, but I don't, I don't understand a single thing that's happening with this. Which, uh, would you say he is Sonny? Give me a, give me a calendar age for this, this character. We'll come back to why later. 30, 30, maybe a little older than that. I don't know. Okay. Sure. Okay. Sure. Let's say late twenties, early thirties listeners file that away. Okay. Um, Oh, I know where you're going with this. Okay. Anyway. Uh, uh, so, uh, there's, so the witch wants to, the witch wants, I don't even know what the fuck the witch wants. She just wants to be powerful and in charge and she wants this gigolo to love her. Um, and instead he falls in love with, uh,
JVL00:51:57Supergirl. Of course, of course he does. Um, we've established is at a high school who is a high school student. Yes. The actress is like 21. I should say Helen Slater was like 21 when she made it. Well, then it's fine. Um, is Supergirl is the character of Kara L is she supposed to be 21? Cause I don't think so. I can see her in Argo. She is acting like a little girl, very young middle school. I would say middle schooler.
Sonny00:52:27Young, young high school. Anyway, uh, all of this leads to a maximum overdrive situation where, uh, the witch turns a truck into, uh, gives a truck life and has it try to steal the gigolo to bring back to her. Then there's a whole sequence in a bumper car, uh, ride for a reason. Anyway, it's like a tilt. Yeah. Or something. No, no, no. Well, there's the tilt of world and then there's the bumper cars with the NFL bumper cars with like the NFL faces. What do I have?
Mike00:52:57I've never seen anything like that. By the way, by the way, frankly, by the way, we are maybe an hour into the movie at this point. Like this out, this movie goes two hours, 15 minutes. Exactly. It's so long. It is. It is a million hours long version. There is a, there is a version that's even longer. There is a, there's a 138 minute director's cut of this film that exists. I, okay. Can I stop and ask a question here? Because during the out of control, uh, construction equipment, construction equipment scene, right? It's like five minutes into where I'm like, why are we still doing this? Like this scene, this scene could, should be over by now. And we still have like three or four minutes left. It was, it was the most, but it was like the, the shaggiest most like, like, Oh, let's just keep it. And it's, it's not like it's an easy scene. It's like, there's a lot of practical effects going on and like things are getting destroyed.
Sonny00:53:54That's why it's still in the movie. That's why it's still in the movie. That's right. We spent like $2 million shooting that scene. Probably. They're like, we can't get rid of it. We gotta, we gotta keep it in. Um, anyway, uh, long story short, uh, Kara winds up in the phantom zone with Peter O'Toole, who has been there for centuries now because time stretches forever and his mind is mush and they try to escape. And I, so I'd never actually seen this movie in total before, but I had seen that sequence before. And let me just tell you, special effects have not held up very well. Uh, for the phantom zone from 1984, it looks like complete dog shit. Um, uh, I don't know. Supergirl gets out and then saves the day and she goes back to, to not canned or, but she doesn't save the day. I don't even know what I can't, I can't, I couldn't tell you what happened at the end. I, I checked out long before this movie ended. My, my, I was mentally trying to figure out how to square the, the rape subplot with, with everything else that, that happens in this movie. Um, so it's a, it's a, it's a bad film and you can understand why it bombed. Um, but I will say, I'll, I will, I will give it this much credit. It had the wisdom. It had the wisdom to understand one very important point, which is that somebody somewhere would have called Superman and had him come, but we don't worry about that because there's, I don't know if you guys noticed the line of dialogue about 15 minutes into the film where they said that Superman is on a peacekeeping mission. Nine trillion light years away.
Mike00:55:30And Poochie went back to his home planet.
Sonny00:55:32I, I, that's a, that's a pretty long way, guys. I don't think he, I don't think he could have made it.
JVL00:55:39How does he get that? If he moves at the speed of light.
Sonny00:55:43Nine trillion years. I don't know. Time dilation.
JVL00:55:48Well, you know, he spun the world around.
Sonny00:55:50Does he go via inner space? I don't know. That's Supergirl. 1984.
Mike00:55:55So do we want to talk about more about Supergirl 1984? Do we want to hear, do we want to go right into 2026?
JVL00:56:01No, let's do, let's do, let's give this movie its due. Michael, had you seen the Helen Slater Supergirl before? I had not. This was my first experience. Were you familiar with Helen Slater's work? Uh, I was not. What did you think of her as an actor? Well. Well, I missed Nick. This would have been a great segment with Vick.
Mike00:56:25We, we, we really could use Vick in this. She was a delight to watch on screen, particularly with a sound off. Uh, she's got a presence, what do you say? She she's no, she's actually like, you do kind of wonder, okay, this is the eighties and, um, you know, things are acting ability. Does not, uh, it's not a requirement for, for stardom. Um, and like, I was kind of surprised she did not go on to other things in the sense that she's like, she's very, very attractive and has a kind of, uh, winning this to her. And, uh, she plays the kind of naive, uh, alien pretty well. So like, you know, it's not great acting, but it's, it's, it's, she's nice to look at. So like, what, what more do you want in the, in the 1980s, right?
Sonny00:57:19I bet the porn parodies of this movie were amazing. Oh, oh, absolutely.
Mike00:57:24Well, you don't really have to do very much. They didn't have to, they didn't have to turn off the, yeah, exactly. Um, I don't know. So I, my view of this movie was this was like five different movies all happening at the same time. And like Faye Dunaway and, uh, and, and what's her name? Vaccaro the, the, her, her, her sidekick, um, are like in a completely different movie than
JVL00:57:49they're in like a Disney live action version of. A hundred and one Dalmatians.
Mike00:57:54Yes. Brenda Vaccaro is, is, is who I actually thought was the most entertaining part of the movie, just because she's like, she's catty and she has all these like kind of funny lines and, and she's the only person having fun. She's the only person having fun. And she's well, Faye Dunaway is having something and maybe it's not fun. Isn't the right word, but she's just like handing a beach house.
JVL00:58:14That's what Faye Dunaway is doing.
Mike00:58:16But like Bianca is the, is the, is the character's name that Brenda Vaccaro plays, she is the only one. Who sort of is like, we are, we are on the same level as her with like, at being sort of like amused by, by Faye Dunaway. And I really enjoy that. Um, you know, I was thinking about Peter O'Toole because my favorite year, which is a, a, a movie I love, which came out, I think two years before that, where Peter O'Toole plays a drunk, uh, uh, sort of late night host. Um, and, uh, it's, it's like based loosely on your show of shows. And, um, and it's like, he is like leaning into by 1982, his like persona as like, you know, an alcoholic, uh, you know, somewhat washed up movie star. And, uh, and this is just a weird place for him to be. I guess it's like, it's like, uh, what's his name? Uh, uh, he was Lawrence of Arabia. I know.
Sonny00:59:18I know literally Lawrence of Arabia.
JVL00:59:21He was Lawrence. He was Lawrence of Arabia. He carried one of the greatest films of all time.
Mike00:59:28And there's a point at the very beginning where he's like, he's got like a magic wand at the beginning and he's just like hitting it around and it's like, oh, oh no, it will be a tree. It's going to be a tree on earth. Oh, like cousin, like cousin Kal-El. Uh, so, um, it's, uh, uh, so, okay. So then there's that then like. Peter cook is in this movie and he's like the teacher, but he's also, uh, the fate done a ways like mentor that she kicks to the curb when she gets the ball. It's like a warlock. He's like a war, but it's like, that's a different movie than anybody else is in. And he was like Peter cook, like madcap British comic. Um, and then, so I, he's absolutely awful, but all I could think of watching the, the dumb gigolo is, uh, is of course, this is hard partner who plays. Who plays the, uh, the idiot in diehard, um, you know, the Bobby, I'm your white night, like, and so like, it was interesting to see like, yeah.
Sonny01:00:32Oh, that's right. Oh yes. Yes. What is the character name? And diehard Vance or no, no.
Mike01:00:40His name's, um, his name's Harry Ellis.
JVL01:00:43Ellis, Ellis, Ellis, what are you doing? Uh, gosh, that's amazing. So I did not, I did not clock that. It's just directed PCU. We did what?
Sonny01:00:58Apparently one of our lost pieces of art. It is. You cannot, you cannot get that.
JVL01:01:03You can't even find PCU.
Sonny01:01:05Yeah. Okay.
JVL01:01:06Um, anyway, so, uh, not because of political correctness because of rights.
Sonny01:01:11Yeah. The true political correctness of our age.
JVL01:01:15I P I think it's all soundtrack related too. Interesting.
Mike01:01:20Anyway, so, so, so my thoughts are, it was terrible as miserable. I think I texted you guys while I was watching it and said, uh, what the fuck is this movie? Like, I just, I don't understand it. And I hated it.
Sonny01:01:32What I, I, because I, I thought that several times during the movie and I was, I was curious when you, when it, when it, when the realization hit you that this was a disaster, I did.
Mike01:01:41Okay. So I did not text you that the first time I thought it, uh, I'll just say that.
JVL01:01:47Uh, so I'm looking at it. I said that what time that I sent this was like 10 30 and I, so I think it was
Mike01:01:52at some point where, uh, where, okay. Selena Faye, Dunaway's character, they establish in her first scene that she wants to take over the world. Right? Like that's why she wants this magic ball. Um, right. And, and it was at some point where like, she was not just sort of like playing around with her powers and figuring out, oh, can I, can I trick this, this, uh, this landscaper to fall in love with me? It's like where she's like gone down this rabbit hole, maybe it was like in the middle of the, where she's chasing him with the machine thing, like. Or I'm just like, how has the villain lost the plot of this movie? And like that, I think that must've been the moment where I was like, what, what, what is this, like, what are we doing? What is going on? And then it's like.
Sonny01:02:34For me, it was the rape scene. I was like, oh, this must've been where this must've been where Mike texted. It's so funny.
JVL01:02:40You say that I would, that scene's happening. The minute she lifts the guy up, I'm asking myself, why aren't they running away? Yes.
Mike01:02:47I same. Don't they realize she's a Kryptonian?
JVL01:02:49They've established that they know that Superman exists. They've established that they know that Superman has all these powers. And the minute she shows that she has super strength, shouldn't they be thinking, oh fuck, we picked the wrong woman.
Mike01:03:01Yeah. But see, that's, it's a commentary on how, uh, you know, they, they talk to masculinity and miss underestimating, uh, uh, women there. So, uh, anyway, those are my thoughts. Crappy movie. I'm, I'm shocked. Not shocked. A troubled, a troubled production.
JVL01:03:17So famously troubled production, famously troubled because it was being punished for the sins of Superman. Three. So Superman three bombs while this has begun production, at which point everybody starts walking away from this. And in fact, Christopher Reeve, uh, was it the original plan was that he was going to be part of this. He took a pass once he took a pass, they had to rewrite things. And, uh, this was orphaned before it was finished. And, uh, so it never had a chance.
Mike01:03:51Well, there's what, what, what. Any other thoughts JV on, on, on the 84 one?
JVL01:03:56It's it's so it is bad in the way that like the He-Man masters of the universe movie that we did it last week was bad. It's that level of, I can't believe this got made and yet it's got Faye Dunaway and Peter O'Toole and Mia Farrow and a bunch of high class actors. Yeah. This could not have been cheap to do.
Mike01:04:17By the way, by the way, the, the, the film rights, I just read this on Wikipedia. The film rights to the. Superman movie were sold after this movie bombed to the cannon group, which, which did the He-Man masters universe.
Sonny01:04:30So which then, which then made, uh, Superman for the, the quest for peace. It's funny. I interviewed, I interviewed a guy who worked in that world, uh, for the bulwark goes to Hollywood a couple of weeks back, he was like the CEO of Carolco, uh, for a while and like, and, and, but he was, he was involved in helping, uh, Saul King, who is the, the guy who. Produce this untangle all the rights and like get everybody paid. There was this whole very complicated thing about trying to get Marlon Brando paid for the first one and, you know, cause he, he had like 10% of the gross or something, uh, and like, yeah, like it was, he, he made a, he made a crazy amount of money off it, but it was, it was, it was, it was interesting that the long and the short of it was this, this film was such a disaster that he was not able to magic up the money to save it all. And that's why it wound up at cannon was the. Uh, you know, they, they basically had to sell it in a fire sale.
Mike01:05:26All right. Well, uh, I think we have time for a big boy review of super girl. This is a four hour show already.
JVL01:05:33Do we want to do the super girl? I'm not gonna do, I'm not gonna do it. Okay. Don't do a big one. Save that for next week girl.
Sonny01:05:39Are we, do we wanna, do we wanna, do we wanna tease? Uh, we can do super girl, two super girls in a row, two, two weeks of super girl. Yeah.
Mike01:05:47Maybe I'll go see it and, uh, and then I'll have thought that'll be two weeks of super girl. Super girl, part one, super girl, part two. Uh, okay.
JVL01:05:55Well, any other, the new super girl doesn't have any rape stuff. It just has child trafficking.
Sonny01:06:00It does have rape stuff.
JVL01:06:01The whole, the whole movie is like the whole plot of the child trafficking is lead
Mike01:06:06to rape, not child trafficking is the rape of 20, 26 that it was to in, in the 1980s. Um, oh, this should be a wonderful show next week. Uh, all right. And well, and then fine, we're sticking with super girl, 1984. Any final thoughts on this garbage, uh, heap of, uh, of a movie, is there anything redeeming about it?
JVL01:06:24Besides among the actresses, uh, who auditioned for this Demi Moore, not surprising, Yasmeen belief would go on to do so far as I can tell Baywatch and nothing else, correct?
Mike01:06:40Uh, that's, that's, that's an interesting, uh, alternative universe, uh, where Yasmeen bleep the super girl. Okay. I could see it. Um, oh, by the way, there are a lot of like. Purported like teenage girls in their underwear in this movie. Like, uh, like I guess that was the time period, but like, I was a little like
Sonny01:06:59taken, but there's also, no, there's also a very, there's just a very funnily staged sequence in the locker room where like, there, there are, there are girls who are wearing bras, but then have towels wrapped around the bras. And I was just like, what is, what is happening here? I don't under, I, I, well, and then, and then like randomly super girls,
Mike01:07:21girl, sorry, Linda Lee, which, what kind of name is that? Uh, like puts the bra on over her school uniform while she's like in her room and like put socks in the cups of like, what, what, what is this? What is happening? I mean, I know what's happening, but like, like it's just bizarre.
Sonny01:07:41All right. Anyway, the whole thing is bad, bad and dumb.
Mike01:07:43All right. That is all the time we are giving to this episode. Join us over at sub beacon.com. Tell your friends and family, uh, leave your thoughts on Supergirl 1984, and we will talk to you next time.
Sonny01:08:00All right, so we'll do, we'll do Supergirl 2026 next, next week. Sure, sure.
Mike01:08:05I think you can go see it, Mike. Yeah, I'll go see it. You don't have to. Well, but you know, maybe I, uh, maybe I will, you know, uh, it, it's, uh, you know, it's a nice, nice way to get out of the house, you know, in the summer.
JVL01:08:17Now that the kids are here all that air conditioning time, yeah, G money and I next week are doing the fan screening for monsters and minions on Wednesday night. I'm excited for that.
Mike01:08:30See, we, so we would be fans in our house of the minions. So maybe I could, maybe I could do that.
Sonny01:08:36Yeah, you, you might be able to get, they might let you buy tickets for that. I don't know.
Mike01:08:41I'm sure it's fine.
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