#358. Toy Stories
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This is a franchise retrospective ahead of Toy Story 5, with Sonny delivering the "big boy review" of the whole saga: he calls Toy Story 3 the near-consensus masterpiece (he says Tarantino has called it the best film of the century), dismisses Toy Story 4 as unnecessary brand extension, and argues Toy Story 5's screens-versus-toys theme earns real, non-manipulative emotion. Mike counters that Toy Story 2 is actually the series' high point, arguing Woody is far more likable there than in the "kind of a dick" original and praising how the sequel opens up the toy-verse's mythology (the Roundup Gang, the wall of boxed Buzz Lightyears, Jessie's integration). JVL takes the opposite tack, delivering an extended, prop-heavy rant against Toy Story 2 as slanderous to the real-world collector community (he brandishes a graded comic and encased Shohei Ohtani rookie cards to argue true collectors keep everything "display only") and against Pixar's whole "what if X had emotions" formula as emotional blackmail of parents, carving out an exemption only for Brad Bird's Incredibles movies. The first third runs through the usual opening banter: JVL's marathon pinball-mod saga installing a Diddy Mods lighting kit into his Godzilla machine's Drake Investment Building and then waxing the whole playfield; Sonny's watch mishap after his Long Island Watch Co. Seiko's dial shifted off-center during a basketball game with his son (JVL walks him through what a proper service should cost); and Mike's new gig as his Little League's PA announcer during the all-star tournament, complete with mic-wiring fumbles, an accidentally skipped batter, and a kid nicknamed "Seams." They also work through the weekend box office — Spielberg's Disclosure Day opening softly at number one, Obsession's remarkably sturdy fifth-week hold, and lowered expectations for the coming Supergirl — before digging into the Toy Story catalogue proper. As with most episodes, they close out paying respects to a recently departed notable, this time film critic Gene Shalit.
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One of the greatest, most heartwarming franchises of all time. Or is it?
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Mike00:00:00You are a toy! You weren't the real Buzz Lightyear, you're an action figure! You are a child's plaything! Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me are my two co-hosts, and they've got a friend in me. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at Sub-Beacon.com, Sub-Beacon.com. New episodes every Friday at Sub-Beacon.com. Join the conversation in the comments. Always fun and lively in those comments. And listen to new episodes every Friday at Sub-Beacon.com. Tell your friends and family, we are going to be talking about, well, let's just say the Toy Story saga, if you will, later on in the show. Jonathan V. JVL's just going to breathe like that for the whole show.
JVL00:01:00Jonathan V. He's just champing at the bit to go after that garbage.
Mike00:01:02Jonathan V. Is that steam coming out of your ears? I can't tell. It's hard to see on the camera. But first, JVL, before we get into that fun stuff, what is going on? Jonathan V. I got pinball talk. Jonathan V. You are loaded for bear, aren't you?
JVL00:01:16Jonathan V. I got pinball talk. Jonathan V. Here we go. Jonathan V. It's been a while since we got into this because I have been both doing, I've been doing not modding of my pinball machines so much as repairing. Jonathan V. It's been a lot of repairs. And the repairing has built my confidence to the point where I was ready to tackle the biggest mod project that I have, which is, so Godzilla's central mechanical feature is a building, the Drake Investment Building, which sits at the center of the playfield. Jonathan V. And it is about four inches by four inches by 10 inches. So about like this. Jonathan V. And. Uh, it sits there and it, when you hit the building, like it slowly drops down into the playfield. So you're collapsing the building. It's a really cool feature. Um, but the, it is covered with stock plastics. And so the sides of the building look kind of like this. Jonathan V. Right. And the top of the building, the building captures the malls from multiball. So the roof gets multiball and it has, this is the top of the building. It's this little metal piece, right? And there is a gentleman named Diddy, not that one. Hold on, hold on, different guy, different guy. Uh, his handle is on pin side is Diddy mods and he is in Cincinnati and he makes amazing modifications. And so he sells a kit to take your Drake investment building with, which again, this is what it looked like with these, you see these pieces of plastic. It was like, oh, look, it's windows with fire coming out and to make it extraordinary. The problem is to do this requires major surgery. So you've got to take the entire building out of the machine, which means you are going into the heart of the machine.
Mike00:03:19This is my question. Are you taking the glass off to reach it or you're taking the glass off?
JVL00:03:24Obviously, you then got to lift the whole. Thing up. You've got to disengage it from the mechanical motor and then take the building out of the machine so that you can work on it. And then you've got to take the entire building apart and rebuild it with the pieces he has made for you. Boys, this is one of those magical things where everything worked exactly the way it's supposed to. Normally you get into these things and it's like, yeah, it seems pretty straight. Forward, but then you run into, well, wait a minute. This wire isn't where it's supposed to be. This is, oh, this piece of the tolerance is a little, and you want this.
Mike00:04:05The little pilot hole wasn't drilled out. Yeah. Yeah.
JVL00:04:07It was like building a Lego set and boys, I want to show you the glory that is the Drake investment building. Look at the detail sculpting, the hand painting. Look at the top of the Drake. Look at the top of this. Do you see the fans on the roof?
Sonny00:04:29I see the fans. You got the, it's got like the little asphalt that you got on the roof.
JVL00:04:34Asphalt. And what you can't see, so there are wires sticking out of it. The entire thing is going to be lit. So over here on this side, a UFO has crashed into the building again, three-dimensional UFO will light and flash. The UFO has lights on it. Uh, on the other side, you will get flickering lights from inside, like the interior. Of the house, the building's lighting is flashing on and off and the top you get, uh, red, yellow flickers like fire as if the roof is on fire. And then the Drake emblem itself lights up blue, the roof, the roof is on fire. This thing is so fucking cool and I am just over the moon. I cannot wait to get it installed this weekend, but I've decided.
Sonny00:05:27So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, so you, you, you're saying here that you, that it all came together perfectly, but you haven't actually put it in the machine yet, but, but that's
JVL00:05:37just going backwards. So that should be easy because I'm now just reversing steps. I've already taken, I have been very, very good about labeling all of the screws and parts and pieces. I took video of myself at each step so I can go back and watch what I did. I can undo it and I am being so hardcore that while I've got this giant Mac out of the machine, I'm going to do a full cleaning of the play field. I've gone and bought all the specialty pinball cleaning supplies and then I'm going to wax the play field like a, a real pinball daddy got a wax wax.
Sonny00:06:19The playing field. I have a question.
JVL00:06:21Nice and clean. Yeah, dude, this guy is so you have to, again, I just feel like you're not a guy appreciating the level of detail. Mr. Diddy sculpted and then painted this whole fucking thing by hand. This is not 3d printed. Like this guy got, has injection molding. It's very cool. It's very cool. I'm not sure. Brush. Like he's painting little, little wizard figures.
Sonny00:06:43Oh, little, little Sistine chapels. I have a question.
Mike00:06:47Chapels everywhere. You look. Yeah. I have a question. JBL. Yeah. The, I'm trying to understand the orientation of the building once it's back in the machine glass, because from my vantage point, and I know it's an imperfect view that I've got for my vantage point, it looks pretty tall. Yeah. And my, so is it like, is it, does it fall beneath the main floor of the pinball machine? Like how does it fit underneath the glass? Cause it, my understanding of pinball machines is just on my own experience and it doesn't seem there's a lot of clearance. Between the floor and the glass ceiling.
JVL00:07:29So the, the clearance varies by your position on the playfield. So there is very little clearance toward you, the player, the flippers, because the front, so they're both right. So both of the, you know, the glass is sloping like this, but the playfield is on different angles. This they're on different angles. And so as you get further to the back of the playfield, you get more clearance. And so that's why this is a two thirds of the way back, which is why this can fit. Got it. Okay. Yeah. That answers my question. That's all.
Mike00:08:01I just, I didn't know if it was like, yeah, that's great.
Sonny00:08:03You guys, it's very, it looks very cool. I just, I just hope that you haven't jumped the gun here. I hope you can get it back in. Cause you you've been talking all this stuff about fitting together like a Lego, but it's not plugged back in. It's not in the thing.
JVL00:08:17Really confident. Uh, the wiring is pretty simple. I got to replace a couple led bulbs with LEDs that have pigtail connectors. Um, but I know how to do that and I know which ones I'm doing. Um, I've really, I'm, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos about cleaning because let me tell you, you find 10 pinball nerds and you will get 10 different opinions on what to use to clean because everything is about protecting the integrity of the play field. You don't want anything that's abrasive. You don't want to, I mean, it's people have started.
Mike00:08:56I mean, imagine like. Nicking, uh, a little bit of the, of the play field as you're, if you have got to abrasive of a brush or something.
Sonny00:09:04It makes the ball bounce all over.
Mike00:09:05Yeah. I, I just think, I think, I think Sonny is, is, is rightly concerned. You just don't want to count your Godzilla eggs before they hatch. So get it back in there and give us an update next week. And uh, we're very happy for you, JVL.
Sonny00:09:18Thank you.
Mike00:09:19Yes. Very happy for you. How are you boys?
JVL00:09:22Talk to us. I have some watch talk.
Sonny00:09:24Whoa. I have, I have watch talk. Whoa. I have watch talk. So, uh, so flashback to like five years ago, JBL, uh, got me a very, uh, got me and several other folks who he worked with. Very nice watches. Uh, like, I mean like, like I don't know, made watches, custom made long Island watches from, from the long Island watch company. Uh, I believe that it's Seiko guts. Is that right? Am I, am I.
JVL00:09:51Yeah. Okay. Custom Seiko. Uh, custom Seiko massages.
Sonny00:09:55Okay. So I have, I have a, I have a problem, JBL, maybe you'll be able to point me in the right direction here, but my problem seems to be low. Well, let me explain. So I was, I wear the, I wear this watch every day. It's like the only, it's basically the only watch I wear. My wife also got me, uh, uh, a, a watch for my birthday for Christmas or something. Um, uh, a Shinola, which I don't wear as much, but I'll wear sometimes, but, and I know I don't make that face. It was a very nice gift, very nice gestures made in America.
JVL00:10:30She worked for me.
Sonny00:10:31She works, she works for the Alliance for American manufacturing as if it was a, it's an American thing. Anyway, that was only assembled in America. I, you know what? It's okay.
JVL00:10:41It's that JBL.
Sonny00:10:42Don't, don't, don't get triggered. JBL. Don't get triggered. All right. So I, but, uh, but usually I wear, usually I wear this, uh, this, this other watch, the, the long Island watch company watch, uh, and I was wearing it as I, as I often do just like out and about. I took my son to basketball practice and we were playing basketball and I was still wearing my watch of course. Cause I wouldn't take it off just cause I'm playing basketball. So we're, you know, we're blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I, uh, we, we go home and I looked, I looked down at my watch and I realized something's not quite right with it. And I, I kind of like tilt my head a little bit because what has happened is instead of being true, the time being true, you know, six and, uh, 12 and 12 and six being, you know, north and south, it, the, the face has shifted by about five minutes. So now the, the 12 is about whatever the, basically the 12 is where the 11 normally is. And I could tell this cause it's got the little dial on top, you know, the, the, literally just the bezel, it's got the bezel up top. And so I could tell it was literally just off by one and I'm like, oh, that's not, that's
JVL00:11:56not a problem.
Sonny00:11:58Okay. So you don't think this is, this is going to be a problem because my worry is I'm going to take it to a watch repair shop and they're going to be like, that will be $300.
JVL00:12:08No, they're not going to do it, but you're going to ask them to do a full service anyway, because you haven't had a lot of service since you got it. It's been four years.
Sonny00:12:16Well, I was going to say it's been about five years. So it's, it's my understanding is that it's every five years or so that it's time to have
JVL00:12:22the movement serviced. So you will. Take it to a watch repair shop. You will tell them you want them to service the movement and you want them to reset the, cuz what has happened is just the dial. The dial has come loose. The dial is a piece. Like when you take, when they take apart the, the movement, they have to take the movement out of the watch itself. And when they do that, they can simply take the dial with it. They'll probably take the crystal out too, to change, to clean the crystal. Every single part of this is replaceable and fixable except for the dial. The dial is not really replaceable. Um, because we had those made we, because I had those made specially, so there are only a handful of them. Um, it should not cost you a ton of money. Uh, I had, I have to be careful here. I have a, it was given to me a 1946 Rolex oyster perpetual. And so this is a historically significant watch. This is from very, very early in the, uh, history. History of automatic watches. So like automatic, the automatic movement to movement, which was self wines is only invented in like 1944. So it's, it's really early. Uh, I found a guy in New York who specializes in pre 1970 Rolex servicing and he did a full tear down cleaning servicing and rebuild for me for like 600 bucks. Which is to say that again, and the level of like what he had to do to this watch, uh, the value of his time as a like super subspecialist is so much specialist. Yeah. Right. You, you will not be in for $300 to get this service. You'll be fine.
Sonny00:14:14Okay. Okay. So I just, I like, I'll just take it to where I got the, the like link changed.
JVL00:14:21I mean, I don't know. Is the person there a watchmaker?
Sonny00:14:23They do. They do watch repair there as well. It's a, it's, it's okay.
JVL00:14:26Okay. Please check. When they say watch repair, do they mean we swap out links and we will replace the battery on your battery powered quartz watch or is it a watchmaker? Like you want somebody who was a watchmaker who knows how to service automatic and manual wind watches.
Mike00:14:40Okay.
JVL00:14:41That's all.
Mike00:14:42Uh, did, did you learn any lessons Sonny about how not to let this happen again?
Sonny00:14:46Like not, not wearing it in physical activity, but it was, it's funny because it like, it
JVL00:14:54should be fine. I would not, that should not happen again. You should wear it everywhere and always don't baby it. It's meant to be an everyday all day beater.
Sonny00:15:03Okay. Uh, I, it's funny cause I was like looking around on, uh, I was just doing Reddit doing, doing watch Reddit searches, which is how I figure out how to fix most things and looking on YouTube and stuff. And it was, and it was funny because like, I actually, I don't actually hate how it looks right now with the slightly off center. Like it looks like it looks like a racing watch.
JVL00:15:26You know what you're talking about? Yeah. There are, there are watches that they make the dial set that way.
Sonny00:15:31But also at the same time, I was just like, no, this isn't how it's supposed to be. It should be, it should be correct. It's not right. It's not right. Um, okay. Well in that case, yeah. So I was also looking at what I was like, is this a thing I can fix myself? And uh, it seems the answer is very much. No, it seems like it seems that there are people who could do that themselves, but these are like professional watch modders, like people who are like, oh, it's changing out the face of the watch and blah, blah, blah. I was like, I don't know. I'm not doing any of that.
JVL00:15:59Well, also you would need a bunch of specialty tools in order to do this, that you'd have to go and buy and then use once. Right.
Sonny00:16:07That's not useful. That's not a, it's not a good use of.
Mike00:16:10Yeah.
JVL00:16:11Okay.
Mike00:16:12All right. How are you buddy? Uh, fine. We are, uh, in the middle of all kinds of, you know, summer baseball stuff. Um, and I have found a, okay, so I, I will say this. Um, I've really enjoyed for the past five years being, you know, involved in various ways through my kids in this particular little league, but it is also, you know, pretty clear that like the kids and more importantly, the families who were sort of like better players, whose kids are getting picked for all-stars every year. A lot of them playing, uh, uh, playing, uh, you know, travel ball, that sort of stuff, which we don't do any of that stuff. Which is fine. Uh, and it's fine if people do, um, uh, that there is some kind of, it's not even an official divide, like, like nobody's mean to each other or snobby about anything, but like the more you're at the ballpark and the more activities you're involved with, like the more the parents know each other, the more kind of, uh, uh, Kim part of the community you are. That's just a natural way that communities kind of grow up. Um, and I will say that. This, this little tournament in which my oldest is, uh, is an all-star has been really, I think most importantly, an opportunity for me to be more ingratiated into that community. Uh, and I have done so through, uh, the way that the, the little league, um, sort of exploits these obsessed parents, which is the volunteer opportunities during these all-star tournaments. But I found, so there are always. Lots of opportunities. There's of course, are you working the snack stand? There's well, there's work in the snack stand. Uh, there is, uh, you know, getting the fields prepped for our home games or, or, or cleaned up, which of course I do that during the regular season all the time anyway. And, um, I'm happy to do that, but things are always a little different during the tournaments. And, and one way that they are different is that there is, uh, a need for an announcer at the home game. Speakers, PA system, and basically there's a script you have to read at the beginning of each game. You read out the names of the players on both teams. You, uh, call out any pitching changes and you of course introduce every player as they come up to bat. So I volunteered to do this. You have the golden voice. You do this for a living.
Sonny00:18:51I mean, it seems like a natural fit.
Mike00:18:53Well, it, it, it, it has been. I will say that it has been, um, I will say I also volunteered to keep the, the scorebook at, at my son's game. And I shouldn't have done that. Like keeping the scorebook and it's a lot of responsibility and I made some mistakes early on. The first mistake I made was not my own mistake, but basically all of us could not figure out how to correctly wire the, uh, the microphone to the speakers. Like I thought I had a pretty good understanding, right? I plugged the microphone into line in. Well, it needed to be. I plugged in to a different, uh, a different, uh, you know, uh, female connection to connect it in and to get the right amount of amplification. It's fine. Uh, one of the other dads came over and was like, like in the middle of the first inning was like, actually you do it this way and you'll get a lot louder. So I had, I didn't have to yell into the microphone anymore. And I got, uh, I got through, uh, the rest of that game. Uh, but it was difficult. You know, there was, uh, I, I, I, I felt really terrible because I, I just. Skipped a player on the other team when he came up to bat. I just said the next kid, I felt very bad. The dad came up and just let me know. And he was like, don't worry about it. Like you guys are volunteering. It's okay. And, uh, you know, they got up to bat a couple more times. So I was able to say the kid's name, uh, when, when he came up.
JVL00:20:18Um, so that was, did you pump them up when you, as a makeup to him? And now number four, Kyle, the rocket.
Mike00:20:25No, if I had known, like, uh, if I had known a nickname or something, I would have. But, um, I will say it was a lot easier the next night when my kid was not playing and it was one of the other tournament teams. Uh, and I just sort of, you know, I had been feeling my oats the night before and, and, and, and by this time I was just like, I was like ready to go. And, uh, it was great. It, we had, uh, we had a good time. There's all kinds of things to announce. Did you do razzle dazzle with your, I didn't do any right all very straight, but there is, so like there was one kid, uh, who's like a year younger than, than my oldest son, uh, goes to ours. I mean, it goes to our school and does the Cub Scouts and all that stuff. Um, who has, uh, a great nickname and his, uh, his mom asked me beforehand, says, can you like use his nickname? Not the name that's written on the thing. Um, if you want to know his thing, his nickname is seams because early on in his baseball career, uh, he was hit. In the face with a baseball and when he had the indentation of the seams, so it became a, uh, it became a great nickname. So, um, so that was fun. I loved it. Um, and I feel like, you know, there are some of these parents that I've known for years now, um, who are like looking at me in a totally different light. They're like, oh, like you need to be, because your child now has worth. And so exactly, exactly. No, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, they're like, we need you to do opening day next. Year. Like we, like all these things, like, like, like you were so calm and collected. There was like, I, I do a couple of podcasts a week and they're like, oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. And then it was like, okay, now, now, anyway, so, but the most important thing is it's been really fun. It's been cool to be a part of, and at the end of the game, I get a free hot dog from the snack bar.
JVL00:22:20So I mean, whoa, do you have to eat it through a glory hole or no?
Sonny00:22:25Um, do you get to choose between, uh, a hot dog or like a fistful of, uh, uh, bubble gum?
Mike00:22:33No.
Sonny00:22:33So double bubble.
Mike00:22:34So we have, so we are a pretty, as much as you can fit in your hand, we are pretty infrastructure poor little league. Like we do not have a freestanding building for a snack bar. We basically have like a storage container permanently installed and that table, uh, we have portable table, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, portable. Gas grill and just pull it out. There's a refrigerator in there for, you know, storing things, but it's, it's, you know, it's not like some of the ritzy places like, uh, like, like McLean, Virginia has, uh, has a really nice snack.
JVL00:23:10We've got a Viking oven Viking range in there. Exactly. It's a whole outdoor kitchen. Actually, the, you know, the snack stand is actually run by a Michelin chef.
Mike00:23:21Chef Jeff, actually chef Jeff is who, who runs the, uh, the McLean snack bar. Uh, anyway, but it's, it's actually a lot of fun. It's been fun. And it's like this little outlet for me to, uh, to enjoy myself and, um, and, and watch these games. Uh, unfortunately, uh, both games that I called our team lost, but yeah, what are you gonna do? So that's all that's going on with me. Should we move on and talk about the box office? Uh, number one, this weekend at the box office, uh, is, uh, a little, little film by an unknown director disclosure day, uh, directed by. One Steven Spielberg, hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, 44 and a half million dollars in its opening weekend. It's a pretty bad opening for, uh, although, you know, it's not a, it's not a, uh, franchise movie, right? It's not a, it's not a I existing IP, but it's Steven, Steven Spielberg, uh, followed by number two obsession. Number three, scary movie, number four, back rooms and number five masters of the universe actually, um, hanging out. They're at, uh, in the number five spot, any box office thoughts, Sonny, we know you did not care for disclosure day. Any thoughts on it?
JVL00:24:31I just have, I have a question for Sonny about obsession. Yeah. Where, what did obsession do this week?
Sonny00:24:38Uh, so obsession is sub obsession was the number two movie at the box office this week. It's down 25% weekend over weekend, which, you know, this is the fifth week, which is not, which is not, which is, which is, it's, it's kind of. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's very good. It's very good. Um, the, the, I mean, the thing about Titanic is that it was number one for like two and a half straight months. It was crazy. Uh, but like, it, it is funny because this has been the number two movie, either the number two or number three movie, basically every, every week since it's been released and all the other movies that come out, keep like piling up behind it. So like scary movie came out last week and dropped 74% this weekend. Right. Uh, and it's, so it's now number three back rooms, of course, dropped about 70% and it's second weekend masters of the universe again, uh, was, was, was above a drop 70%. So like the, the, the holds here are very, very good. Uh, it just, it's, and it, and again, it continues to put up really big numbers during the week. It's been the number two movie, um, uh, both Monday and Tuesday this week, probably will be Wednesday again.
JVL00:25:51Thursday will be different because another question.
Sonny00:25:53Yeah.
JVL00:25:54There's an industry. Question. I've always wondered bookings are made pretty far out in advance. How do theater owners, uh, and exhibitors pivot when a movie like this comes out of nowhere and holds to keep giving it screens? Because I'm sure originally they didn't count on giving it the same screen count. It has going into week six, that's that they're going to give it, they had to find screens for it somehow.
Sonny00:26:22Yeah. I mean, I think probably what ends. Up happening is something like the, the Mandalorian and Grogu loses its screens more quickly. Um, right. Like that, that is, they have the flexibility to rob from Peter to pay Paul and shift to the, yeah, I mean, that's basically what they, that's, that's basically what they, what they have to do anyway. I mean, like, so like the breadwinner, right. The Nate Bart's gate movie came out, uh, whatever his fucking dumb name is. Um, uh, the, the, uh, that, that guy who's very funny and everybody loves. But I, I don't care for, um, uh, third weekend, it lost 1200 screens this, this last weekend because nobody's going to see it. So they just, they shifted those into, and look again, a lot of this is just built in, right. Like some movies drop off and, and don't play anymore. And then, uh, and others, others pick up. Um, but yeah, I mean, there's, there is usually some sort of minimum for at least the first weekend, sometimes the first couple of weeks. And for a while, Disney had the clout to, uh, enforce. It was something like you had to have, you had to have the Marvel movies in your main auditoriums on a minimum of 3000 screens or something like that for six weeks or some, some insane number. This was in, this was like the 2018 to 19 range when, when they were cock of the walk, um, you know, it was, uh, that was, that was wild. And so like obsession, again, obsession has. Grown its screen count, uh, which is, which is, uh, not super usual, but it hasn't grown it that much. It's gone from 2,600 to 3000 or so. Um, and it'll probably start losing screens this weekend. This is the weekend that's going to start dropping off again. Uh, just because again, there's, there is, um, well, the toy story five, well, you've got toy story five coming and that's going to eat up a ton of screens. Disclosure day probably has, uh, at least one more weekend of. At least 30, whatever, whatever the number here is 3,800 screens and then, um, and then you've got super girl the weekend after that, which the numbers on, I, I was just looking at tickets for that because I'm going to have to, I'm, I'm not going to be able to go to the press screening. Cause my wife's going to be out of town. So I'm, I'm, I have to go to like either a, the Wednesday fan event.
JVL00:28:45And a lot of the times, I'm doing G money and I got our ticket G money and I got our tickets for the Wednesday fan event today.
Sonny00:28:51See the Wednesday fan event. So, so I don't know. I don't know what your theater looks like, but I went to check the seating chart for the Wednesday fan event near me and it was maybe like 12% sold, 15% sold, something like that.
JVL00:29:04It was, it was not 60 to 70% sold.
Sonny00:29:07It, it was not, it was not at all full here. Um, like all the Thursday showings are tracking is around 40 to 45, I believe. And I would not be surprised if it comes in under that.
Mike00:29:19It's what about, what about the jackass movie? That's gotta be the jackass.
Sonny00:29:24Movie comes out the same day. It's funny. I was like, I was tempted to tweet something like, Oh, is jackass going to outgrow Supergirl? And it won't. Cause I, the last one did, I think 23 million, um, so it's, it's not, it's not gonna, it's not gonna, it's, that's not gonna happen. But, uh, you know, Supergirl will basic Supergirl were probably open to less than what disclosure day open to. And like, uh, just like $45 million is not a ton of money.
JVL00:29:51It's not a ton of, but this is Kara's or L come on, man.
Sonny00:29:54I'm telling you, man, people aren't into it. What, what about, I mean, is the, is the sense that Spider-Man's Spider-Man's gonna gross a billion dollars, but like, you know, well, is there any, is there anything I've, I've, I've not paid attention to the marketing for Supergirl.
Mike00:30:08Is there anything connecting it to the, the, the most recent Superman in the marketing, in the marketing? I mean, okay. Yeah, he shows up.
Sonny00:30:16David corn sweat shows up in the, in the trailer.
Mike00:30:19Um, okay. So it's not, it's not like, it's not like people watch it. Can't know that it's connected to that movie and it's, you know, some, and that was, that was a long movie.
Sonny00:30:30I'm honestly curious cuz I, the, you know, the Superman did okay, did okay business. It did 350 million domestic. It only did 618 worldwide. Um, and I, I, I, you know, this is gonna do this Supergirl movie is gonna do worse than the flash. Um, uh, you know, and it's not, it's not a perfect comparison point just because the, the. Uh, you know, the flash was, that was, people knew that character. He'd been in several other movies, several other relatively big movies, like, you know, theoretically that should have been pretty big and it died. It just absolutely died.
JVL00:31:08Um, but this movie looks like the Eternals, even then the Eternals opened a 70 million, uh, characters. Nobody knew anything about Thunderbolts opened bigger than that. No Eternals up in a 71. Yeah. Yeah. That's Marvel, right?
Sonny00:31:27Yeah.
JVL00:31:28That was Marvel. Those were the fumes of Marvel as the whole thing going up.
Sonny00:31:34Well, it opened a 71, but it was also 2021, which is the, you know, the, the kind of tail end of people being out for COVID, et cetera. So, um, but no, that was, I mean, that was, it's gonna, it's gonna earn much less than the Eternals does.
JVL00:31:49The same thing opened to 90 million. You don't have to know the character.
Mike00:31:54No. Well, then we've got minions and monsters coming and, uh.
Sonny00:31:57Minions, monsters is going to be huge. I mean, Toy Story 5 is going to be huge. I, the numbers, the numbers I've seen thrown around are 150 to 175 million. And like, once you start getting that high, it doesn't take a lot of momentum to get you to like 200, 220.
Mike00:32:13Yeah.
Sonny00:32:13So people, people love Toy Story because they find it touching and emotionally compelling and they relate to it on a personal human level, uh, because they see themselves. And the toys and they see themselves in the, the, the experiencing their children growing up. It's really deeply moving stuff.
JVL00:32:32People love being emotionally manipulated. We'll pay for it.
Mike00:32:36Can we, uh, can we, can we table that discussion for just a second? Cause I want to just ask or, or see if there's anything to discuss quickly about disclosure day being number one. I believe it's like what that's like the 18th number one opening for, uh, for a Spielberg meal movie.
Sonny00:32:50Like it's, I'll take your word for it.
Mike00:32:52That's, that's what the internet tells me. I'm going all the way back to jaws being its first. Um, I don't know any thoughts on Spielberg still.
Sonny00:33:00I mean, it's honestly, he can still open it. I would have assumed it's higher than that, frankly, cause he's made a lot of movies.
Mike00:33:06Well, here's the, here's the list that I see. Jaws, close encounters, Raiders, E.T., Temple of Doom, Color Purple, Last Crusade, Hook, Jurassic Park, Lost World, Saving Private Ryan, A.I., Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Ready Player One, West Side Story, Disclosure Day. All open. And to number one on their opening weekend.
Sonny00:33:27Hmm.
Mike00:33:29So.
Sonny00:33:29I guess that sounds right.
?00:33:30Yeah.
Sonny00:33:31Um. Anyway. No thoughts? I don't, I, I, like, I don't, I don't think it's, I, it's, it's, it's interesting cause it's not, it's not a terrible opening. It's not a terrible, it's not an amazing open. It's not like, you know, people were blown away by Disclosure Day's box office. Like it, it's fine. It's, it's, is kind of what it boils down to. It's, it's fine. Uh, the, the real question is how it holds. I don't think it's going to hold very well, frankly.
Mike00:33:54All right. Uh, okay. Well, let's move on then and, uh, talk about, uh, we are, we are talking about the Toy Story franchise, I suppose. Um, my kids are currently like going through all of the Toy Stories. They, I think they might watch Toy Story 4 at some point today because they're going to a birthday party in which they're going to watch Toy Story 5. They've already watched the other ones sort of in succession and I watched. With them, Toy Story 2 and my view on this, and we can talk about the whole saga as a whole, but I find, and I have not actually seen Toy Story 4. So, so maybe I should preserve my judgment, but I find the second one sort of be the most satisfying or, or the best, the one I enjoy the most. Uh, even though I, I'm certain I've seen the original, uh, more than any of them. So, um, I dunno, how, uh, how do we want to start, uh, talking about Toy Story, Sonny?
Sonny00:34:53I think, I think you. The, the, I think the way.
JVL00:34:57Give us a big boy review of the series, Sonny. A big boy review of the entire saga. Okay. All right. Hold on.
Sonny00:35:09Toy Story, uh, is, is a franchise from Pixar. It's really the first Pixar franchise. It's the first Pixar film, I believe. Uh, and it was first feature, first Pixar feature film. Um, and the. You know, the, the thing you have to keep in mind about Toy Story is that it is, uh, an actual technological leap forward. This was, uh, not, it was not the first animated film to use computer animation. Other films had used computer animation, other feature animated features had used computer animation. Right. And kind of famously it was used in among others, uh, Beauty and the Beast to punch up some scenes and, uh, the, the carpet ride out of the, the, uh, Sphinx's mouth in Aladdin, right? Like that, that was, uh, there was a lot of computer animation in that, but this was the first real, uh, feature length animated, uh, computer animated feature. And as such, it, it has a, it has its own little place in history there, but it also sets, it also sets the template for the entire Pixar thing going forward. Right. Which is basically what if X had emotions? So with Toy, Toy Story, it's what if toys had a. Emotion with cars. It's what if cars had emotions? Um, uh, eventually it kind of Ouroboros is into the inside out feature, right? Which is what if emotions had emotions, which is a very funny kind of thing. Um, but the, uh, but, but Toy Story, uh, is directed by John Lasseter, uh, with he also, I bel he has a story by credit. He didn't, he didn't actually write it. Um, but the, uh, but, and this is. This is the beginning of the John Lasseter era of dominance of animation. Um, which I, you know, goes until he gets, uh, basically metooed for being too huggy. Uh, and, and I have some intelligence on that.
JVL00:37:09We can talk about that. Okay.
Sonny00:37:10You keep, well, we can, maybe, I don't know what, I don't know how much trouble we're going to get into. If you, if you share under, under the radar intelligence there. Uh, but the, um, anyway, uh, it's second highest grossing film of 19. 95. It's a, it's a huge hit. You know, what came in first that year? Uh, die hard with a vengeance die hard with a vengeance at number one, uh, toy story, number two, Apollo 13, number three, uh, golden eye, number four. Wow. Pocahontas number five. So it's a, you've, you've got a whole, there's a whole thing going on there. Where was I? Night and four years later, toy story two comes out and it is hailed as a mass instant masterpiece. Everybody loves it. People seem to love it more than the first one I've always been frankly, a little cold on this one. It didn't, it didn't do as much for me. Um, it's the third one. It's the third one that is considered by many to be the masterpiece in this series, including amongst them, Quentin Tarantino, big fan of toy story three. I think he said it's the best film of this century.
JVL00:38:09Maybe which one is toy story three. What is the plot of that?
Sonny00:38:12Sonny, the plot of toy story three, uh, involves the, the, the, uh, toys have been accidentally given away to a. Uh, a children's daycare where they run into, uh, the evil lots, uh, Mr. Mr. Lotso, lots of hugging bear. Yeah, lots of the lots of hugging bear. Uh, and they have to get back to, they have to get back to their, uh, their, their, their kid in the process though, they wind up in a garbage facility. And I've always thought it would have been very, it would have been a much more fitting ending for this franchise if they had ended up going into the incinerator and all dying, because that's the fate of all toys. Just as it's the fate of all adults and parents, which is what of course this series is actually a metaphor for, right? The toys are, the toys are parents and they are, uh, they are watching their children grow up. And the, the conclusion of toy story three is the little boy who we have grown up with it, watching the series, Andy realizing he does not need his toys anymore, and he gives them to Bonnie. Who's like the little neighbor girl or whatever. Um, and then Bonnie can play with the toys and the toys. And the cycle continues. The series should have ended with toy story three. Yes. Toy story four is totally unnecessary. Um, and it is a brand, it is basically brand extension, nothing for the search
JVL00:39:36for money, toy story.
Sonny00:39:38I mean, that really is, that really is what it comes down to. And again, there are some nice things here about, you know, being useful. And, uh, the, the plot of this one again is the toys go on vacation with Bonnie and they wind up getting separated from her. They're always getting separated. They're always getting separated and having to come back. That's like the, the, the narrative thrust of all of these films is lost toy needs to find its way back the end. Um, uh, and this one, I, I just, it, it has never, it's, it's fine. Again, it's all of these movies are very well-made. They're all funny and they're all well animated and they have all got great, uh, voice work and character design, et cetera, et cetera. But it was, it was unnecessary. And toy story five is like toy story for unnecessary. It is not, there's nothing particularly compelling here.
Mike00:40:27You got to tie up all the loose ends, even with, well, there's no loose ends.
Sonny00:40:31They, the, the, the, the big idea in this one is screens, right? So kids now they don't play with toys. They play with screens and the screens are, are addictive. And, um, it, the, the movie does a very smart thing, I think, which is that it does not make the screens in this film, purely evil. They love their kids just as much as the other toys do. They're just trying to figure out how best to help them adapt for. Life as an, as an older individual. And again, it's very nice. Like I, when I was sitting down to write my review, I mean, frankly, when I was watching the movie, I was thinking about how the first one came out when I was, I believe 12, 12 or 13, uh, years old. The, the, um, this one comes out now and my daughter is. Uh, is about the same age as, but is like a year or two older than Bonnie. And like, we're dealing with all the same things with screens and friend groups and, you know, bullying and peer pressure and all that stuff. And that this movie gets into that. And it, what's that huffing, huffing, huffing whippets. Yeah. Uh, there's, there is a weird, uh, subplot dragon. There's a weird, I'm not, I'm not even looking.
Mike00:41:53In the back of toads. Okay.
Sonny00:41:54I, uh, so the point being that like the toys I have now grown up, I, I am growing up with Woody and Buzz myself. I am them, which, you know, is what it is. So I like, I like all these movies quite a bit. Uh, I, uh, am, I find myself moved by them in a non-manipulative way. It's very natural emotions that are produced. Uh, oh, we didn't even talk about the spinoff film light year, light year, of course, which was, uh, the animated film that came out in 2022, which wasn't, which was the story. It was the story of the real person that the Buzz Lightyear doll is based on. Well, not, no, it's, it's a story of the story of the character, the origin story of the character, right? It's the origin story of the character that the Buzz Lightyear toy is based on, but it's
JVL00:42:49an origin story. What we're seeing in the movie. Buzz Lightyear in theory is the movie that exists in Andy's world on which the, the toys were based on because you remember, Oh, it's like Nolan ask the, the, the Buzz Lightyear thing is based on a movie property, right? And so when we see light year, we are having released in our world, a fictionalized movie that exists in the toy story universe.
?00:43:21Right, right.
JVL00:43:23And this movie is supposed to be something so fun and exciting and awesome that it spawns the hottest toy in the history of the planet.
Sonny00:43:35JBL two weeks ago, we did an episode about masters of the universe. Do you remember how bad masters of the universe, the cartoon was and how many toys that sold?
JVL00:43:46That's because that's because it inverted. They did the toy first, then the cartoon.
Sonny00:43:50I'm just, I'm just saying in the toy store universe.
JVL00:43:53Buzz comes out as a, as a movie first. And then the anyway, all right.
Mike00:43:59Should I make my before, before JBL destroys, I'd like to hear what you have to say about
JVL00:44:05these movies, Michael.
Mike00:44:06So of course I was a prime age when the first one came out. I remember it so well. We had it on VHS after seeing it in the theaters. And I remember I was older. I was basically the age that my oldest son is now when the, when the sequel came out. And I remember. I remember enjoying it and, and appreciating it. Um, and, uh, in, in, you know, it just seeing, uh, all of the, you know, characters and that sort of thing, rewatching it as an adult, just a few days ago, uh, it really just sent home to me just how much more interesting the story of toy story two is, um, and how much more likable Woody is than in the first one and the first one, what he's kind of a dick and, uh, like the characters all seem to know it. And you're sort of like, why, why is this guy the hero? It's because he's the cowboy and he's Andy's favorite toy, but he's, he's a bit, he's a bit dictatorial. He's a bit, uh, he's certainly jealous and, um, he basically just kind of begrudgingly accepts, uh, accepts buzz, uh, through those series of mishaps in the first one.
JVL00:45:18And the second one voiced by Woody Allen, not Tom Hanks. That's how fucking neurotic. That character is
Mike00:45:23Bo peep, Bo peep. Come on, come on. Um, so I really enjoyed how the second one, uh, kind of opened up the world of toy story a bit, just like, and sort of almost played around with how absurd the whole premise of these movies is, right. Like has the, uh, the wall of, of buzz light years, like in their boxes, um, that whole sequence where like, there's a, there's like a buzz light year who, who is. Like the first buzz light year and the first movie, it like, doesn't know he's a toy and gets mixed up with the toys as they're running around the, uh, the toy barn. Um, I love that. I love the opening up of like, uh, who, like who is Woody? Well, Woody is actually, uh, an old toy, like older than Andy. Like Woody is a family toy as his mom suggests early on in the movie. Uh, and he's connected to this whole kind of, um, you know, howdy doody style, uh, puppet show. And he's got all these other toys. And I just, I thought that was just great. And I, and I also loved the kind of the satire of the movie about like our toys for playing like for children. So children can play, or are they like these things that adults hold onto for nostalgia or like more cynically, like to make money, which is what the way night characters basically, you know, the reason he's so in, you know, ecstatic when he discovers Woody is that he knows he can sell. It's this Japanese museum. Anyway, I just think there's a lot of depth. There's it's, it's, it's everybody does great voice wise. You know, Joan Cusack is, is, is I think pretty great as, as, as Jesse. And it, it, it feels like they seamlessly added Jesse as a character into this in a way that I feel like in toy story three. And what I gather happened in toy story four with, with, with Tony Hale's character. It's like, they're glomming on these other new, uh, characters to the toy story universe and it doesn't feel as natural to me. Um, I, I, I don't know. I love it. And by the way, the animation is so much better four years later than it was in 1995. So, and that's, that's like very clear as you, as you watch, you're like, you go back and watch the first one. It's so blocky and it's an achievement. I don't mean to say it's not, but it really does show you how quickly they were. They were, uh, you know, developing and improving the, the technology. So that's my brief. For toy story too.
Sonny00:47:55Yeah, I would say the, the quality of the animation, you see the in the increased ability in each of these films as the series goes along and that, that is also true in this one, which has some really, um, which has some really nice, uh, well done sequences, uh, and also plays with the animation style in a way that they haven't in much of the rest of the series. Like they do, um, different forms of computer generation. Um, and they have a lot of integrated imagery in this, which is, uh, which again, is, is just, it's nice. It's got a, it's got a good, um, uh, diverse, like look to it. That's right. That's right. Um, okay. JVL. We love the toy story movies. Um, you, everyone loves the toy story movies. They're like the most, it's the most beloved franchise, both critically and amongst fans. JVL. Go ahead. Start cooking.
JVL00:48:52John Lasseter is a one trick pony. As you said, his idea is what if blank had emotions and he just kept doing it over and over and over because money machine go. Yeah. Let me explain to you what real art looks like. Frozen. The subject of frozen is familial love should properly understood Trump romantic love. The story of Moana is trauma can change people. The story of Encanto is sometimes the conflicts in life are not about you. Every Pixar movie ever is themed with the following. Oh, your children are growing up and you're one step closer to the grave. That's it. Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Toy Story 3, Toy Story 4, Nemo, Finding Dory, Monsters Inc. Up. Say what you will about the cars movies. At least those are just crude merchandising and not emotional blackmail. Can I make a quick objection? Go ahead. A Bug's Life falls out of that paradigm as well. In fairness, Ratatouille, Bug's Life,
Mike00:50:06not actually all Pixar movies. Sorry, go ahead. The most successful Pixar movies, Inside Out,
JVL00:50:12they're all, this is what they do, emotional manipulation. The real sin, however, and the worst of these is Toy Story 2. Because Toy Story 2 is a work of prejudice and othering and a slur against my community. I have some things that I've brought, a little show and tell. The collector community? I'd like to show you guys. This, do you see this thing? See this thing? This is Snake Eyes Dead Game number two. The East Side Comedy Comics Edition A. It has been graded 9.8 by the CGC Universal Grading System. And it is amazing. And have I ever opened this comic book and read it? No, because I have it saved and preserved. Here, I want to show you a couple of baseball cards. This, look at this. Look at this. Isn't that great? This is a 2018 Topps Chrome number 150. It is the Shohei Otani Running Super Shortprint. It has been graded by the SOC. No, sorry, the SGC Grading Company as a perfect 10 gem mint. Here is the 2018 Topps 700 Shohei Otani with bat red warmups ultra super short print variant. Also graded, also encased in Lucite. Can my children put these cards in the spokes of their bikes or trade them with their friends? No, they can't touch them because they're preserved and protected. And that is what the people who really love these things do. And instead, we get this character who's this great arm is going to collect. Now, those are the people who really love the thing. They don't lose them. Yeah. You know what? They don't lose their pieces. If Andy loves his toys so much, why is he always losing them? Huh? Huh? Good point. Well, answer the question. I have an
Sonny00:52:15answer. Half the time they are running away or, you know, getting in fights and falling out of cars. It's the toy's fault. They are autonomous. They are autonomous. They are
Mike00:52:22autonomous individuals. Yeah. It's the toy's fault. Um, why don't you just go put on a chicken suit, JPL? Huh? Why don't you just go put on a chicken suit and make your sad
JVL00:52:30little commercial, Mr. Al McWiggin? Because we, the collector community, know the value of what in my house is known as display only. There is always a question in my house when something new comes in. Is this a thing we can read or touch or play with? Or is this as G Money likes to say, display only? Display only is the highest compliment. It's the highest form of love. It is the greatest adulation one can give to an inanimate object. And to have our community, my community portrayed as a villain in this, that perpetuates harmful stereotypes and prejudice against us. And I do not care for it.
Mike00:53:21Don't you think that love always wins? Don't you think JVL, don't you think there is a nod to your community, uh, and a positive nod to your community in the, uh, in the form of the character, the old man who comes and primps up Woody in toy story two, right? He, he is not a counterfeiter. No, he's not a caricature. No, no, no, no, no. That's a counterfeiter.
Sonny00:53:47He's not a counterfeiter. He is actually, no, he's, he is, he is the sort of person who, so the, the in, in the collector community, if you were to say, replace the staples of a torn comic book and try to pass it off as original, you would be excommunicado. You
JVL00:54:05would not be welcome back in the continent. I'm sorry if I could bring this back. Uh, you see this, the blue label on snake eyes, that game number two, this is a certification by the comics grading consortium that this is the universal grade, meaning that it is untampered with item. If for instance, there had been a sticker, a price sticker affixed
Mike00:54:29to it, which is the thing that some newsstands did in the early 1980s. And you had gone to
JVL00:54:34scrape that sticker off. Or if one of the staples had fallen out and you'd replace the staple or, uh, you had used a service called pressing where they will take a comic book and put in a special machine machine to try to flatten everything out. Those things are restoration. At which point you get a purple qualified grade. Okay. We care about these
Mike00:55:02things. Okay. But Sonny's right. But the meticulous way that the, I reject, I am of
Sonny00:55:08that community and I've rejected it. I've, uh, I have, I am as prostate from, from the collector community. Well, now I, okay. I still have, all right, let's, let's, let's
Mike00:55:17reel it back in. And JVL, you've, you've set your piece about toy story too. I've, I feel like we're, we're, we're, we're, we're never going to reach any kind of, uh, we're just going to have to agree to disagree about that movie, but you have a bigger beef with toy story as a, as a franchise. And the, the biggest beef of the franchise is, as Sonny
JVL00:55:38said, is it's not actually for kids. Yeah. It's for parents and it's emotional blackmail of parents. And I fucking resent that. I really, truly resent it because having kids as hard enough without some giant multinational corporation coming in and trying to extract $19 at a time from you by playing on your emotions and making you cry. Fuck you. Fuck you, John. Fuck you, Pixar. Fuck you, Bob Iger. Fuck you, Walt Disney company. And this is the difference between the Disney animation stuff and this say what you will about the mermaid or Aladdin or all of the, the golden age of Disney stuff. They weren't about that. They were telling stories mm-hmm and these stories were about things like things in life and some of them were good and some of them were bad and you know, some of them were hokey and some of them weren't, but with Pixar, it's the same fucking move every time, every time. And I, I, at the time it was hailed as an innovation and what it was, was a cul-de-sac. It was a narrative cul-de-sac, a thematic cul-de-sac from which I don't know that Pixar has ever escaped fully. Um, and it is telling, I think that Lasseter is the one who sat on that and like Brad Bird did not get trapped in that. Right. Brad Bird escaped this and found ways to tell other interesting stories. Right. All right. That's that is my, my, my very honest and very real beef about this. And I, I really resent movies that play on those, that level of emotional
Mike00:57:30blackmail of parents. I just think they're fun and funny movies. Like there's no, there's no blackmail. That's why you're part of the problem. I, well, I, I fully admit that I'm part of the problem. I, I am, I'm middle America.
Sonny00:57:42Everyone is part of the problem. Is it a problem? Which is why it's a problem. Is everyone, if, is it a problem if everyone is in on it? I don't know. It's a bigger problem. Um, here is I, I'm the thing I was most, uh, I was most disappointed by was that you, you skipped right over the Incredibles movies, which are not about getting one foot, which are not about getting one step closer to death. And like there are children in the story, but they are almost ancillary to it. That's right. It's, it's a Randy and tale of excellence
JVL00:58:13triumphing over it's Brad Bird. Yeah. Brad Bird. He did. It's so fun. It's so funny.
Sonny00:58:21Uh, the, the, the way people, the way, uh, w the, the reactions to that movie are always very funny, but my favorite reaction to, uh, the second, uh, Incredibles movie will always be Anthony Lane's review of it. Cause he wrote, he wrote in his review for the New Yorker. He wrote about, um, uh, Mrs. Incredible Elastigirls, big fat ass. And like, that's his, that's what that was like. And like, people got mad at him on Twitter. They were like, oh, how can you pay this man to write movie reviews? Horn dogging cartoon characters. I'm like, Hey man, it's not his fault that he's right. She's drawn to be, be hot, sexy mama. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not bad. I was
JVL00:59:03just, I'm drawn that way. Yeah. That's the text of the film. The funniest collector community joke that I've ever seen is in the second Spiderverse movie. Sure. And Spider Gwen comes through the portal into Miles Morales's bedroom and she's just. Just like running around poking at stuff. And him, like a 15 year old boy is like, there's this girl I kinda like in my room, which is an anxiety that we've all felt, right? Like she's gonna see something and I'm gonna feel uncool or whatever. And she sees an action figure in like displayed in pristine pack. And she goes, I have the same one, but yours is still in the package. And she like opens it up and hands it to him. Like his reaction to that is like,
Mike00:59:51See, I will one up you on, in terms of collector community jokes, because my favorite in a film is from the 40 year old Virgin. When they were looking at Steve Carell's collection and Seth Rogan says, you have the $6 million man's boss still in the packaging. Why do you have his boss, the action figure of the boss? And so anyway, okay. Any other thoughts on Toy Story? Um, it's going to be a mega hit this, as you said, Sonny Toy Story five, uh, is this it? Like I, everything I see is like, this feels like a mega hit. It's not
JVL01:00:31it, Michael, but like making them, but if this movie, if this movie does the business,
Sonny01:00:37it is expected to, which I think is in the one, certainly 1 billion to 1.3, 1.6. Who knows? Who knows how much money this will make? You can, they'll make more. You can tell how much, you know, how much money this franchise has thrown off already. There was a story about this in the Hollywood reporter. Disney says they have made $16 billion off of the Toy Story franchise. Not just of course the movies themselves, which have grossed a lot of money, but toys and, uh, DVDs and VHS and the theme park that on a lunchbox. You're selling it. You're selling there. There's I like the, the best, the, the best, I don't know. One of the best themed areas in, in Disney world is the Toy Story area. It's just like really well done. It's like really, really nicely put together. And they, they, they, there's a lot of money invested in this and
Mike01:01:29you got to keep perpetuating it. But can you, it just feels like Tom Hanks is like so done
Sonny01:01:36with this and Tom Hanks isn't done with a week of work, a week of work that he gets
Mike01:01:42$20 million for. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Uh, all right. Any other thoughts on getting
Sonny01:01:48that sort of money for Greyhound? He actually might've cause that, well, maybe, but probably not. Uh, okay. Sorry. Any other final thoughts
Mike01:01:57on Toy Story? Yes. No, maybe so. Um, uh, pour one out for Jim Barney, the, uh, the only slinky dog they should have, they should have killed off that character when Jim Barney
JVL01:02:07died. Uh, you know, we got a really, well, I'll save it for the optics. All right. That
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Sonny01:02:20Yes. JVL. We got a really poor one out. Jean shallot. Jean shallot. Oh, Jean. Rest in peace.
JVL01:02:34Jean. Yeah.
Mike01:02:35That's a, I think I can't remember if I shared it with you guys. Uh, but, uh, my, one of my favorite Jean shallot reviews was, uh, it was of avatar, which he said, it's a spectacle to see, and you gotta have spectacles to see.
JVL01:02:50It. I mean, that's my favorite was his review of Alita battle angel.
Mike01:02:55Well, we'll have to search for the archives, uh, and surface that one.
Sonny01:03:02Sure. It's fine.
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