#355. 'Marty, Life Is Short'
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The main event is Marty: Life Is Short, the talking-head documentary about Martin Short, and all three hosts come away warmer on him than they expected. Sonny says he doesn't quite know how to review it as a movie — it blurs together with the recent wave of SCTV/SNL-adjacent comedian docs (the John Candy one, the Lorne Michaels stuff) — but finds Short himself fascinating, comparing his career to "the world's longest Family Guy joke": funny as a kid, insufferable as a teen ("just do your stupid faces"), and funny again once you're old enough to appreciate the commitment. JVL goes in as a lifelong Martin Short skeptic (he traces it back to being burned by Three Amigos as a 12-year-old) and ends up "falling in love with him" in the doc, concluding Short endured because he's a legendarily good hang who never turned down work ("I got a mortgage"). Mike, the biggest Short fan of the three, praises the film's use of home-video footage of Short's famously competitive Christmas parties and makes the case for Ed Grimley and Jiminy Glick as more thoughtfully constructed characters than they get credit for; all three note the doc is conspicuously light on input from Chevy Chase. Before getting there, the guys open with a long JVL riff on watching R-rated "grown-up" movies like Shakespeare in Love with his now-teenage kids, Sonny's trip to the Texas Frightmare horror convention (child actors signing autographs, a Gina Gershon signature, the "Shattered Glass" poster bit), and Mike's family trip to a Phillies game and Hershey Park, including a lengthy tangent about the Philadelphia Fanatic tattoo guy and a Reese's-themed dark ride that broke down mid-battle. There's also a box-office segment where Sonny breaks down the surprising word-of-mouth legs of the horror hit Obsession and previews the A24 release Bring Her Back/Weapons-style hit Back Rooms, plus some Star Wars/Kathleen Kennedy bashing after The Mandalorian and Grogu's soft Memorial Day opening. The episode closes with a side debate on Robin Williams (JVL likes his standup but not most of his movies, controversially preferring Will Smith's Genie) and Sonny and Mike both admitting they've never been able to get past the "uncanny valley" of Short's man-child character Clifford.
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Guest00:00:00Hello, I'm Jiminy Glick and as part of my guest hosting duties on Kimmel, I'm obligated to interview who they've pre-booked. So, I was hoping for an A-lister, but I'm thrilled to have you, Bill Hader. You are a pre-book, but you're a wonderful spirit. How are you? I'm good, thank you. Welcome. Bill Hader, it's not really a star's name, is it?
JVL00:00:26No.
Guest00:00:27No, like Leo DiCaprio captures you.
Sonny00:00:29Yes, that's true.
Guest00:00:30But Bill Hader sounds like a guy who would do Inside Windows.
Mike00:00:44Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who seem like pretty decent guys, I must say, Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at subbeacon.com. Tell your friends and family if they want to listen to the show, they got to do it at subbeacon.com. New episodes every Friday at subbeacon.com.
JVL00:01:05All in one breath?
Sonny00:01:07Yeah, that was like... Was that like a Martin Short bit? What were you...
Mike00:01:10That wasn't a bit. That's just... That's pure Mike Warren right there.
Sonny00:01:14Just how you do it.
Mike00:01:16Yeah, exactly. We're going to be talking about Marty, Life is Short, later on in the program. But first, JVL, what is happening?
JVL00:01:27Just things we talked about off air. Just life flying at me, moving at the speed of light, and it's a little something. I will say this. We have just recently begun watching grown-up movies with our older kids. Right. Like we watched Shakespeare in Love with them.
Sonny00:01:59Sure.
JVL00:02:00It's like an R-rated movie. Gwyneth Paltrow's boobs are out. Go on. It's a little... Are they? It's a little weird watching a movie like Shakespeare in Love with my children, only the older two, and having my older children laughing out loud at the Shakespeare jokes. Sure. You know, it feels like yesterday that we were watching Sophia the First. Yeah, yeah. Or that the funny stuff was The Waterboy, or that sort of humor. Yeah, funny man falls down.
Sonny00:02:45Which is very funny, we should note. The Waterboy, very funny.
Mike00:02:49Yeah.
JVL00:02:50Yeah.
Mike00:02:51Foosball. Yeah.
JVL00:02:53Anyway, Shakespeare in Love absolutely killed with them.
Mike00:02:56Big Tom Stoppard fans? They were not.
JVL00:02:59They didn't even know anything about Tom Stoppard, but they both read a lot of Shakespeare. They've done Shakespeare. Did they not read?
Mike00:03:05Because I remember in high school reading Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. That was like a big thing.
JVL00:03:12No, they have not read that yet. They know about it. Okay. But they've both been in Shakespeare plays. We are season ticket holders to the Shakespeare Theater of New Jersey. Yeah. And for school they read it all.
Mike00:03:29Right, right, right.
JVL00:03:30In fact, Favorite just finished Othello for pleasure. Oh, wow. This week. She was like, "Oh, I really don't want to read Othello again."
Sonny00:03:37Good for her.
JVL00:03:38Anyway, it's just weird, again, time seeing them turning into actual adult people. Not just like, "Oh, look at that. They're a little person. They know their mind," which is how we feel about kids when they're four. Anyway, whatever. I'm being emo.
Mike00:03:55I'll stop now. It's okay. No, I love it. It's okay.
JVL00:03:59Yeah. Yeah.
Mike00:04:01You're in a safe space to do this. Because I think about this all the time about just the things that ... JV, I imagine you've had this feeling too because our kids, we have a wide range, both of us, in the ages of our kids. So you see different aspects of childhood, the gulfs between those ages and you experience parenting at different levels. Yeah. Different speeds. There's just a huge difference between a three-year-old and an 11-year-old, for instance. Yeah. All right.
JVL00:04:35Well- What are you guys up to? Sonny, talk to us. I'm just sitting here crying in my soda.
Sonny00:04:41It's funny. My daughter has been reading fairly voraciously these last few months, ripped through the Andy Weir books she read, all Project Hail Mary, Artemis, The Martian. Just kind of one right after the other.
JVL00:04:56You let her read Artemis?
Sonny00:04:58Yeah. Is that not appropriate for kids?
JVL00:05:01I mean, there's a lot of sex talk.
Sonny00:05:06A lot of sex talk?
JVL00:05:07Well- A lot of condom talk.
Sonny00:05:09I don't know anything about that. I just let her read the books. Okay. Great. She seems to have enjoyed it. I'm trying to figure out if I can ... I was trying to remember how much of that sort of stuff is present in, for instance, Sphere and Congo. Because I feel like I was right around this age when I read ... I was sixth grade when I read Sphere and Congo, I believe.
JVL00:05:34I feel like- Neither of those have anything in them. I've read Fear more recently. I've read Fear within the last 10 years and I don't think it had any of that. Yeah.
Mike00:05:44I don't remember Congo. Did Jurassic Park have any?
Sonny00:05:46No. I'm trying to remember. Yeah. Nope. No, not really. I feel like there was just no space for that. It was just violence. Just dinosaur violence.
?00:05:54Yeah.
Sonny00:05:55Which they get lots of by watching the Jurassic movies on Peacock all the time. There you go. So maybe I'll throw her the Michael Crichton books, see if she gets into those. But yeah, I don't know. What's going on in my world? I went to the Texas Frightmare weekend this weekend, which is like a big horror convention in Dallas. Not technically in Dallas. It's in Las Colinas. Why would you do that?
JVL00:06:23What's that? You're- Why would you do that?
Sonny00:06:24Well, I- That's a great question, JBL.
JVL00:06:30That's a great question. You're not a horror groupie.
Sonny00:06:33Yeah, I'm- So I would not describe myself as a horror junkie, but I do like horror movies. I like, for instance, Obsession and Back Rooms that are both out right now. I got a lot of thoughts about both of those in box office talk coming up. They're both very good. And I like these sorts of things. I thought about- I got a press pass. I was gonna go- I was thinking about writing about it. But as kind of a like, here's a place where people come together and do things and this is what the world needs, blah, blah, blah. And maybe I'll write something very short about that. The one thing that is kind of interesting is it is literally the only place I have been to in the last two years that sells movies in person, right? Like it is like they have the vendors of like the nice boutique Blu-ray shop, so like Vinegar Syndrome is there, Arrow Video is there. And that's kind of fun. It's kind of fun to have that kind of shopping experience.
JVL00:07:28But it's also like you went to get your physical media fix.
Sonny00:07:33I can get my physical media fix. But the problem is like this is this is like a real this is like a real conundrum. It's a real paradox, which is that like I prefer physical media, yes, but I kind of prefer shopping for physical media on the Internet because it's all right there. It's all I don't have to like paw through bins of stuff. And I don't you know, the the things aren't out of they're not sold out, you know, whatever. So anyway, but I don't I it was it's a weird experience because it's incredibly crowded and like the the showroom floor is like super full of people. And I don't like people. I don't I don't like being around there. And they have they have people signing autographs and it's always weird. Like they had a bunch of. Like, here's what here's a thing that happens at these things that I find deeply strange. In the in the last ten years or so, you've had two shows that prominently two horror shows or horror adjacent shows that prominently prominently feature children. Right. You had Stranger Things and Weapons and you and you have Derry. The TV show has like it is like a cast of children and at these signings, they will have the children there signing things. And you will have grown people going up to these children signing things. Nope. And they're there with their parents. And it's like I the whole thing is just very weird to me. I don't approve of it. I don't approve of it on any level. I don't approve of I don't approve of like the kids themselves being there. I don't approve of their parents letting them do it. I don't really approve of the book. The bookers booking. Them. And I really don't. I really don't approve of the people who are like paying money to children to sign their things and like take pictures with them. That's fucking weird. It's weird. That's weird stuff, man. Should not encourage that at all. So I don't really want to write. I don't really want to write that because I don't want I you know, they were nice. Again, they were nice enough to give me the press pass, etc. But I like don't know what I'm I don't know. But right. It's weird, isn't it? It's a little bit weird.
JVL00:09:54It's somebody who once upon a time went to a lot of sci fi conventions. I always thought the horror conventions and there's a hard fork between those two.
Sonny00:10:04Yeah, right.
JVL00:10:05The horror people go to the hard cons. The sci fi people go to like the who cons or the BSG cons or whatever. I always thought that the horror cons are fucking weirdos.
Sonny00:10:16Yeah, there's definitely some of that. There's also like there are and there are the people who come dressed up in family costumes. Like I saw people dressed up like with children dressed in the Terrifier outfits. And I'm just like, I'm just like, again, I, I'm not gonna judge you people for having, you know, family outings together, but I am gonna judge you a little bit because I don't
JVL00:10:42I don't. Do you think they watch these movies with their children? That's that's my question.
Sonny00:10:46I hope not.
JVL00:10:48I really down with my six year old watch hostile.
Sonny00:10:51That's that's the that's kind of how that's kind of how it was. So anyway, the event itself, the event itself is is fun. They have some good panels. A guy I know from here in town like does the panels. Warwick Davis had had a very fun panel. Warwick Davis is a very solid raconteur. He's a good speaker. He tells stories very well. They had they had a panel with the saw guys, which was which was fun. Tobin Tobin Bell, who was there and like and again, these things are. Those those are those are more entertaining. They have all the signing booths and stuff, and I, I like I never get things signed at these things, but I did get I got something signed this time.
JVL00:11:35So what did you get signed and by who?
Sonny00:11:39I got I got the Gina Gershon to sign a bound poster for me because I, you know, Gina, Gina Gershon was there at the horror convention again. She's not really a horror icon precisely.
JVL00:11:51That's just like a famous person who was free and could do it.
Sonny00:11:54Forty grand famous person who's been in some horror things and like anyway.
JVL00:11:59So but that Gina Gershon and bound who big, big fan, big fan did that.
Sonny00:12:06Didn't get into it with her. Didn't explain to her why I was a big fan or, you know, the the first time I saw show girls on HBO Zone at, you know, 2:00 a.m. at my I'm sure she had no idea why you liked
JVL00:12:17bound.
Sonny00:12:18No, no, no idea.
JVL00:12:21No, no idea.
Sonny00:12:24Ask her to sign your insider poster by what I I would insider inside like I when I go to these things, I do like kind of envision taking the weirdest thing imaginable. Like I think I told the story last year that the or maybe it was two years ago that Hayden Christensen was doing these for like the first time he was he was finally he had finally got he needed the money bad enough and was was, you know, was doing was doing a bunch of these. And I. I was supposed to be at the Dallas thing he was at because a friend of mine was running a booth and I was like hanging out with him and I I literally I bought and had shipped to me a. Shattered poster for shattered glass.
JVL00:13:10Yeah.
Sonny00:13:11And I was going to get him to sign that because I assume I would be the only person who gets a shattered glass poster, but but then but then I was just like, I'm not I can't pay. I was like one hundred dollars or something. I was like, I can't pay one hundred dollars. Yeah. To do with this bit.
JVL00:13:26And it needs new shoes, baby.
Sonny00:13:29So anyway, that that was that's been my that's been my last week or so here.
Mike00:13:34Did anybody ask Tobin Bell about his guest appearance on on Seinfeld?
Sonny00:13:39No, but he somebody somebody did bring it up. Somebody somebody mentioned that that was their, like, first experience. Yeah.
Mike00:13:46He's the he's the record store owner. Right. Kramer and Newman try to sell the old man's records to it.
?00:13:52Yep.
Sonny00:13:53Mine is. Mine is is quick in the dead. He's in quick in the dead. He's like one of the first guys who dies and quick in the dead. Oh, yeah, I again, if I was going to get a Tobin Bell thing signed, it would be a quick in the dead post. There you go. There you go. Remember when you were in this for ten minutes? He may not, you know, you know, he's been in a lot of things.
Mike00:14:14All right. Well, shall shall I proceed and tell you what's going on? What what's happening with you, Michael? Well, we were just we were just we had a lot of trouble. We had a long weekend school wise, so we took I took a couple of days off and we spent I think I mentioned that I was going to do this. We spent the weekend in Philadelphia visiting my my brother, and it was a rainy weekend in Philly. So we didn't really get to do much in terms of stuff outside. But we did make it to a Phillies game on on Sunday and which was like a huge hit with everybody. Everybody had a great time. And there's a lot of. JV, I don't know the last time you've been to a Phillies game, but there is a lot of emphasis on the fanatic at Phillies games like the fanatic. I expected a lot of the fanatic. I did not expect as much fanatic as we got. He's just everywhere. He's he's there all the time. And all my kids, my my brother got his his nephews, spoiled his nephews with like the two older guys got different fanatic hats to wear, and then the little one got a fanatic stuffed animal. And it's just it was just a lot. And I like the fanatic. It was fun. So oh, they were given out. They were given out storybooks about the fanatic goes to the shore to all the kids as they walked into the ballpark. So it was like the fanatic takes a summer trip to the Jersey Shore. And there's fanatic fans everywhere. So we've we've now read that book with the three rolled about 10 times some. So that was a great time. And then we went on. On Monday and Tuesday, we went drove a couple of hours west and went to Hershey Park, which I have to say, I was.
JVL00:16:01Are you guys familiar? I'm sorry. Before you leave Philly Fanatic, please, please. Are you familiar with the gentleman? I just texted you. Let me see the guy with the sort of a legend in Philadelphia. It's a real thing.
Mike00:16:16He's got it. I mean, this is the most Philadelphia thing I've ever seen. He's got this is a a bare chested man of. Of some size with tattoos on the top of his chest is you've got the Philadelphia Eagle. You've got kind of in the in the Ben Franklin Bridge. Oh, is that what that is?
Sonny00:16:35Two one five area code, I presume.
Mike00:16:38Yeah. The two one five. You've got oh eight and twenty for the Irish pride. Yep. You've got ninety five. The shield. I ninety five. Ninety five. Yeah. Highway is sort of the center.
Sonny00:16:52That's like dead center. Yeah. You know what? You know what we have? Solar plexus. I ninety five.
Mike00:16:58There's 1776. You've got gritty. You've got the 76ers and then the fanatic his mouth hole is this man's navel.
JVL00:17:12So it's just it's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
Mike00:17:16It's so disgusting. But that's Philadelphia for you. Anyway.
Sonny00:17:23That's great.
Mike00:17:24That guy should have a terrifier tattoo on his back would not make it any more scary than than than how it is right now was Hershey Park. Your kids have been looking forward to this kind of I will say they were not that excited about it and but I have to say like everybody had the most the greatest time, just the absolute greatest time. So my older kids did not go into this like with. You know, being roller coaster fans, they don't like roller coasters. They're kind of my oldest is like very cautious about anything. He doesn't like heights. He doesn't like all that stuff. But I have to give it to my three year old who like was like he wanted to ride the kiddie coaster immediately. So at Hershey Park, you get there. We stayed at a at a really cheap hotel, you know, just five minutes from the park and you get to go in two hours before closing. The night before you're going to go the next day. So like they scan your tickets and then you have to use those tickets. You go in. So the park closed at eight on Memorial Day, so we got to go in at six and they scanned our tickets and then we could come back the next day and stay the whole day. So it was a great little preview. There's like basically nobody there. And we rode the kiddie coaster like multiple times. Everybody loved it. And then we were like, oh, there's like a bigger coaster. That's like that even our three year old can still ride like he is like tall enough, which is like kind of the next step up kiddie coaster. And we walked over to that part of the park and we rode that and like all of a sudden all my kids are like, yeah, we're in roller coasters. So then the next day we had a great time and we sort of planned things out so that we would kind of start as we always do at the back of the park. And I was impressed because my while my older one was like, OK, that was like the limit of what I'm going to do. Rolling coasters on. He went back and rode the the the the second kiddie coaster, just like it's not nothing. It's like it's got it's got some hills and twists and stuff. My my middle son, my eight year old, was like, I'm going to go do if as long as it doesn't loop to loop, I'm going to do it. And so we did a couple of the wooden coasters, just the two of us, he and I did. And I mean, you know, these are like. It's you're getting real high on one of these. You're going all the way to the top and you look around, you can see the entire park and some really like like tough banks. You know, you're like kind of banking to one side, making the other. And he was scared and he had a great time on it. We did another coaster that's like the oldest coaster in the park, and he also had a great time on. And, you know, I was just I was impressed by his willingness to to just like he was like, I'm scared of these. Things, but I'm going to do it anyway, so, you know, I loved it. My three year old.
JVL00:20:29I hope you used him to shame your your other son. That was my three year old look at what a real man looks like.
Mike00:20:36You got to wear a dress for the rest of the day, but my three year old was just like obsessed with all. There were so many. Right. So here's the thing I'll say about Hershey Park. First of all, it's huge. It's really big. There is a lot of stuff to do. Second thing I'll say about it for a family like ours, where there are all different levels of what kind of ride you want to ride. It's great because there are like little kid rides all throughout the park. There is not one section that's like just for little kids. So you know, you want to go and do this roller coaster. Dad wants to go do this roller coaster over here. And then there's maybe a kind of a minor thrill ride for for everybody else. And then, like, there's a bunch of kiddie rides. In that section. And then you just walk to another part of the park and there's kiddie rides in that section, too. And and it was it was it was just there was nobody was ever born, I should say, that everybody like had something. That's great. We really enjoyed it with, you know, the the night before we went to the Hershey's Chocolate
JVL00:21:41World, which is like I was going to ask, was there a chocolate component to this visit? So there's next door to the park.
Mike00:21:49You it's this free place called Hershey's Chocolate World. And there's a free tour on it. And it's, you know, you sit in a seat and it spins you around and tells you the how they make the chocolate and all that stuff. It's a fact. It's like Jurassic Park. It's like the Jurassic Park tour. One hundred percent like the Jurassic Park tour, except it's chocolate.
Sonny00:22:08But even cooler because I mean, chocolate, not dinosaurs.
Mike00:22:11There is a cool moment where, like, it takes you through the roasting and like there's like a little you in the fire. Yeah. And it's like fire. You kind of go through this tunnel where it's like red and orange lights. And it's a little hot. They do pump like a chocolate smell in several parts of it, which is pretty great. And then when you get off you, they give you a free free piece of Hershey's chocolate. So I mean, and then it dumps you into the store, which was like the highlight, I think, of my kids today. So we allowed all three. They have these like drawstring bags and you can just fill it up with as much of the candy as you want. For a fixed price. And they loved that it was they I will say this Hershey knows they have a captive audience. They could do like what Disney does and just jack up the prices of everything in this chocolate store like, oh, you want to like, what are you going to do? Go to Hershey part, go to Hershey's Chocolate World and not buy chocolate. So we'll charge you whatever we want. But actually what you end up getting is like factory direct prices like it is. It's cheaper than if you were to buy something, you know, some of these bags of candy and different things. If you were to buy them, you know, at the grocery store or whatever, like it's it's it. So it was fun and enjoyable and I don't know, the whole trip was terrific. Everybody had a great time that the two drawbacks were there are two water rides. There's like a big one where you're like in a big giant thing and it splashes down and
JVL00:23:49splashed.
Mike00:23:50Log flume. Well, there was actual. Log flume, which is like kind of the individual logs, but then like the big one where everybody is like in one big, oh, gotcha boat thing and it crashes down. So both of those were closed because it is not yet summer. Technically. Um, there were, so we, we went the day after Memorial day thinking, oh, like school is still in, cuz school's still in for us here in Virginia. Um, it's not in for a lot of kids and, uh, there were so many groups of teenagers. At this park, like we were all waiting for the park to open and it's just masses of like not well deodorized teenagers, you know, just like wait, like, like frothing at the mouth waiting to get in. Um, so that they was, they were fine and there were a couple moments where like, you know, these kids are like using bad language and then another one of their friends would say like, oh, hey, there's little kids around.
Sonny00:24:45It's like, okay, you know, maybe the kids are all right.
JVL00:24:47Well, you know, losing your virginity at Hershey park is a time honored tradition for central Pennsylvania.
Mike00:24:52Um, and then finally, uh, there was one, one of these rides. Um, so I think there's a lot like definitely at the Orlando parks, there's a lot of these kinds of rides there where, uh, you're like inside and you're sitting in a moving thing and you've got like a laser gun and you're shooting at screens. So Hershey park has one of these, it's called Reese's cup fusion and you've got to like, whatever. It's time.
Sonny00:25:20The story's done.
Mike00:25:21Are you shooting at Reese's cups? No, no. You're, you're in the Reese's factory. You've got to shoot the misfit candies. These are all like misshapen or like garbage.
Sonny00:25:30You got to shoot the garbage candy.
Mike00:25:32It's like the, the leader of it is the mint and he's like, um, he's a, he's like a little
JVL00:25:36message.
Mike00:25:37Yeah. No, it's great. Um, the, uh, the gumdrops, the candy corn, that's like got a bite taken out of them anyway. Uh, they're trying to take over the factory to stop Reese's cups from, from being made. I mean, that's, that's terrible, but, uh, the big disappointment. On that one was we're, we're shooting the, the things with the lasers, whatever, who cares? Uh, and then you get to like the climactic battle with the actual bad guy and we turn the corner in this moving thing and it's this giant screen, the final, like the biggest screen for the biggest battle. And it's like bright blue and it says like error mess. It's just got error mess. Oh no.
Sonny00:26:17You got a blue screen of death. Yes. They took over. You know why that happened? Yes. You didn't shoot enough of the misfits and they won.
Mike00:26:25So the, but the funniest thing is that the audio is still going. So it's like, shut up, get it, get the bad guy.
JVL00:26:31And our kids are just like, what shit never happens at Disney.
Mike00:26:35No, it does not. Um, but I did say, I did point out to them, I said, would it have been worse?
JVL00:26:40If you knew that he would publicly execute the person in charge of the ride on the steps on, on the, on main street USA as punishment. That's right.
Sonny00:26:51It's the computer he didn't, he didn't, he didn't update windows now you're going to get it. You're going to get it now.
Mike00:27:00You're going to get it now. Um, anyway, so it was fine. It was fun. We had a great time. Um, it's the history of Hershey park is interesting. It basically started cause it's right there next to the original factory. And it basically started as like a, a thing, probably like a, a way to try to avoid unionization, which didn't work, uh, at the end, but like, it was like for the employer. So it was a place for the employees to go like, you know, on the weekends have, uh, you know, leisure time at the Hershey's factory and, uh, and now it's become this, this big
JVL00:27:32theme park. So Which is all on its own, just a different America. Totally. 100%. You know, the, the employers felt like, well, we should set up, we'll build housing for the people who work for us and, uh, we should create communities for them and endow schools and now it's just like Meta has a campus.
?00:27:54Yep.
Mike00:27:55Yep. Uh, no, I work. It's quite literally, there is a school. So there's the school that a beautiful, you know, kind of early 20th century building, uh, the school on this hill that overlooks the park and it is Milton Hershey crew like made this school because he and his wife could not have children. So it's, it's a, it's a school for like orphans, um, and, uh,
JVL00:28:18Whose blood they then used to make special dark.
Mike00:28:20Exactly. 100%. So everybody wins. Um, so, uh, anyway, that's, uh, that's all that's going on with me. Uh, shall we move on and talk about, uh, the box office, Grogu, Mandalorian and Grogu number one at the box office. It doesn't matter how you look at it, whether it's the Memorial day weekend or, uh, or just a regular weekend, uh, 98 million total for the like long weekend, uh, uh, for star Wars, the Mandalorian. And Grogu followed by obsession. Michael, the divorce product to, and the sheep detectives, any thoughts, uh, on this box office guys.
Sonny00:28:59I got a lot of thoughts as it, as it happens, uh, store star Wars, Mandalorian and Grogu does 80 million, almost a hundred million over the four day, whatever. That's fine. This, this movie is not expected. Nobody's expecting this to gross a billion dollars. If it does, uh, I don't know, 200 million domestic. I think everyone's happy, which tells you something about the state of star Wars. Um, more interesting than star Wars, the Mandalorian and Grogu is obsession. So obsession is the horror film from focus features. Uh, this guy, uh, Barker, uh, what's his name? I forget his name, but he's young guy. 26, 27 makes this movie for about a million dollars, a little less than that. 750,000, something like that. Um, it sells to Curry Barker, Curry Barker, Curry Barker. Thank you. Um, sells to focus features for, I believe. 14 or $15 million, uh, at Tribeca or not Tribeca, uh, TIFF, Toronto. Um, one of those festivals. I didn't, doesn't matter. Um, and everyone at the time is kind of like, wow, that's, that's a lot of money. There's selling this for that much money. Um, and so it comes out last weekend, last weekend, it opens. Okay. It opens, it opens better than expected to $17 million. People are like, wow, $70 million. That's not, that's not bad. In its second weekend, it grosses 40% more over the three day screen count weekend. They increased the screen count by 40 by 40 screens. So like a negligible amount, they, they increased it by two, 2% of the screens. Um, but this is not a movie that opened on 50 screens and then went to 2000 screens. This is a movie that opened on 2300 screens and went to 2400 screens or something like that. Uh, 20, it would open on 26, 2615 screens and then went to 2655. Um, just because people were like, wow, this is, this is, it has a lot of momentum and it has grossed more, uh, on each of its second weekdays than it did on its like first weekdays. Right. So it's second Monday was better than its first Monday. It's second Tuesday was better than its first Tuesday. This never happens. This, this all like the, this happened with, um, sound of freedom. Uh, but that was tied up with all sorts of weird things with the pay it forward, whatever this is like you, you, it's really hard to explain how this never, ever happens. Like even something like get out, right. Get out was an enormous, uh, an enormous hit and a huge word of mouth hit. It had like a multiple of six or something like that, which is unheard of for horror films. I think it opened to 33 million, did about 180, uh, domestic total. Um, this. This movie is. And, and that movie, I'm sorry. The reason I brought that up is because that movie had great declines, right? But it had declines like it dropped 10, 20% every weekend. You look at something like Titanic. Titanic is, uh, is a 12% a weekend.
JVL00:32:08I remember.
Sonny00:32:09Right. So that, but again, those, those, it had declines. It had declines every, uh, every weekend, more or less until it got to like eight or 9 million and then it just stayed there. And it kind of like bounced up and forth or back and forth. Um, so like, I cannot emphasize how unusual this is. There's a, like you, you don't see this sort of thing.
JVL00:32:31What is the movie about?
Sonny00:32:33So it's about, so a guy, this kind of like beta cuck in cell type, he's got a crush on a girl. They're in a band together or they're in a, they're on a trivia team together. They work together. And she's like, I'm quitting the store. I'm going to move away. And he wishes there's this thing. Called the one wish willow. It's invented. It's like a little, um, you know, you know, like the gimmick things that you see, like x-ray specs, whatever. It's kind of like that. And he makes the wish that she says, I want, I wish she would love me more than anybody in the universe or whatever. And so she becomes obsessed with him. And, and there's, she's like kind of possessed by some sort of thing, neither here nor there. Um, but it's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. It's a, it's like kind of a rom-com slash horror movie. And I'll say the thing. The thing it absolutely does is it taps into every element of Gen Z's hangups about sexuality and sex and like really consent. It's like consent culture. And like the, the fear, not only like the fear, the fear that people have not only of like not gaining the proper consent, but other people not thinking that you have gained the price. It's, it's really interesting. It's a really interesting psychological portrait of a generation. And this is why I think it is. It's a, it's a movie. It's a movie made by a young person for young people and it, they are showing up. I went to, I went to a screening last night. We're taping Thursday afternoon. I went to a screening last night. So the second Wednesday and it was sold out. It was basically sold out. It was like 98% sold out. There were some seats in the front row, um, 8 PM on a Wednesday, uh, on the second Wednesday. Again, this never happens. You never see that does not, does not occur. So that's, that's interesting. It's also interesting when we, we know what is about to happen this weekend, the movie coming out called back rooms. Yeah. It's an eight 24 film. It's another horror film. It's this, uh, it's kind of liminal horror, the horror of liminal spaces, you know, it's this, this, but it's, it is, uh, it's a movie about a guy who discovers under his furniture store, uh, an endless. Labyrinth of like self rep replicating rooms is like the only way to really describe it, but it's about more than that. It's about the interpersonal relationships and therapy culture and all that stuff. Um, this movie is about to open up to at least $60 million and it might do 80 or $85 million.
JVL00:35:10Biggest day 24 ever.
Sonny00:35:12What's that?
JVL00:35:13Biggest day 24 release.
Sonny00:35:15Oh, not just, it will not just be the biggest day 24. Opening of all time. It is going to be by the end of its fifth or sixth day. It will be the highest grossing a 24 film of all time domestically. Anyway, um, if, if the, if the numbers are right and I have a feeling there, maybe not the, it came onto tracking at like $40 million and people are like, what? And then I went and looked at the screenings around me in Dallas and most of them were almost sold out for Thursday and Friday night. This movie. This movie is going to be enormous. It is going to do ridiculous numbers. If it does less than 75, I would be shocked. Frankly, if it did more than 90, I wouldn't be surprised.
JVL00:36:02It's going to be huge. Does it outgross Mandalorian domestically at the end of the day?
Sonny00:36:07It will almost certainly outgross the Mandalorian domestically. Well, maybe. It kind of depends on how it holds. I'm less confident. I'm less confident that I've seen them both now. See, I saw back rooms at a press screening. I like back rooms more. I'm less convinced that it will have the holds that Obsession did. It certainly won't have it like it's not going to increase off of a $80 million opening weekend. I don't think it'll hold quite as well either because it's not like the thing about Obsession is that it is a very funny movie. It's a very funny horror movie. Right. And those those tend to those when you hit that when you hit that proper mix of like I'm grossing out the audience and I'm also titillating them and I'm making them laugh on command. People are like, you got to see this thing. You got to see this thing in a theater. You got to see it with everyone. Right, right. And it in back rooms is not like that. It's a little more cerebral, but it's still but it is also very funny in places and it is it's pretty good. So I we are but both of these filmmakers, Kane Parsons, the guy who directed back rooms and Curry Barker, they're both YouTube guys. Kane Parsons is 19 or 20 or something. Barker's 26, 27. We are we are in the YouTube age. We are in a new age. Like, I really think that you we will look back at this kind of like we look back at 1968.
JVL00:37:31Raging when writers.
Sonny00:37:33Well, there's easy writers. I'm thinking like a year, a year or so after that, when when the best picture race in 1968 was like Bonnie and Clyde and Dr. Doolittle. And like I. I hate to be this guy, but there is a Steven Spielberg movie coming out that looks like a very classic Steven Spielberg movie, which means, you know what it looks like? Looks like it's fucking old people. Yeah, looks like it's for it. I think it looks great. I'm excited for Disclosure Day. I can't wait to see it. You're an old, but that's because I'm a fucking boomer. I'm a I'm a boomer. And we got these YouTube kids coming up and it's over for us. It's over. We're done. We're done. It's there. It's their time. And I couldn't be happier for them. Good for them.
JVL00:38:18Question.
Sonny00:38:20Yes.
JVL00:38:23Is there an executive in the history of Hollywood who failed as spectacularly as Kathleen Kennedy? Oh, because again, I look at The Mandalorian, which overperformed in getting to ninety eight million dollars, which is less than solo after having a drought of seven years without a Star Wars movie. And that just tells me that this franchise is done as cinematic theatrical property.
Sonny00:38:59You have to you have to give her credit for if we're going to if we're going to ding her for the failures here, you have to give her credit for Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi, which grossed between them five and a half billion dollars or something like it. You know that that's not that's not nothing, but they were going the wrong way the entire
JVL00:39:24time. Right. I mean, so Force Awakens comes out and is a monster. And after that, Rogue One, they're moving backwards out on everything.
Sonny00:39:33But Rogue One doing a billion dollars. Nobody expected that. Everyone thought that they were like, what about these these middle Star Wars movies? Are they going to be good? I don't know. We're not we're not sure, but like everything falls apart after Last Jedi and Solo because she didn't plan a trilogy like the I wouldn't have any problem saying that, but you'd really have to go through like a lot of the like, I don't know.
JVL00:40:01I can't believe she was allowed to control that intellectual property for as long as she did.
Sonny00:40:07Real, real problem. The other thing. But again, the other thing you have to give Lucasfilm and Kennedy credit for is kicking off the entire Disney plus experience with the Mandalorian. Right? Like the Mandalorian comes out and that's an enormous driver of subscribers and revenue. Like that was a huge hit. That was a huge hit. And then everything else after that's kind of like, I don't know, it was great and or it's very good. It only cost them $800 million to me.
Mike00:40:39Jeez, what a mess. Okay. Well, any other thoughts on the box office?
JVL00:40:44No, let's talk about Barton short.
Mike00:40:46Marty, life is short. Sonny, you want to give us just an overview of this documentary?
Sonny00:40:53Marty short, life is short documentary about Martin short. Here's I, I don't really know how to review this because it's, it is, we've done so many now of these like kind of documentaries about comedians and they're all kind of the same in the sense of, and they're all like in the same, like, I don't know what it is, but like they're all like focused in that universe of like kind of SCTV adjacent. And folks like it's, it's been, you know, between this and the John Candy one and what was the, like the Lauren, all the Lauren Michaels stuff, like SNL stuff, like it all, it all feels kind of similar. But so I, I don't really, I don't really have any interest in reviewing this as a movie qua movie. Cause like, whatever you, it's talking head documentary about Martin short and it's got a lot of nice famous people. You know, Steve Martin is there. And Tom Hanks is there. Steven Spielberg speaking, speaking of the devil is there. He's, you know, they're all saying nice things about Martin short. I want to talk about Martin short as performer because I find him very interesting. The way I, the way I described him to you guys is like, he is the world's longest family guy joke in the sense of like when there there's like a, there's like a variety of family guy joke where something happens and it's funny for a minute and then it keeps going and it's not funny for a while. And then it goes on so long that it's funny again. And this is kind of what Martin, Martin short's career reminds me of. He's the sort of guy who like, you see, you see when you're a kid and you're like, Oh, that guy's funny. Cause he's doing funny faces. And then you grow up a little bit and you're like, Martin short is fucking not funny. Look at him do his stupid, funny faces. And then you, you reach a certain point. You're like, Oh, Martin short's doing his funny faces. I like that. That's funny to me again. And, and I like, it's, it's a weird thing. I don't know. I don't know if JBL is making faces. Like he has never gone through this cycle. But that's how it was for me. And like, he, he is, he, the, the documentary doesn't really shy away from him just being like, I just do funny faces. I just, I do, I go up there and I make a silly face. And my theory is if you can get them to laugh, when they see you come out on the stage, you got them. And like, oof, sure. Sometimes, but sometimes not. And there's a lot of, sometimes not in his career that said, he seems to be the nicest person in, like everybody, nobody has ever, he's very much like John Candy and that nobody has ever been like, you know, who's a real dick is that Martin short. I don't care for him. Like, he's the sort of guy who was like, nice to everyone, every, all the staff and crew seem to love him. All his co-stars and coworkers seem to love him. Um, so good for him. It's, it's nice to see one of the good guys, you know, make it. He's also had like an intense amount of family tragedy, like both. Both of his parents died when he was very young, you know, 12 after his oldest brother died after his older brother died after his, his wife dies of cancer. And then his, his oldest daughter died just recently, like not, not long ago. Um, so it's like, it's, it's almost, I mean, it's, it's like Russian practically. Uh, but the, um, I don't know. He's like, he seems like a nice guy. I'm, I'm glad. And this was an entertaining documentary. I like seeing all these people. I like some of those movies. I like some of the skits has never been in my like top tier of comedian.
JVL00:44:30I'll just put, just say that JVL your, your thoughts on Martin short. So I've never liked Martin short. Um, I, I have this very clear memory of the three amigos. So three amigos comes out in 1987, 1986, 1986. So I am just sort of becoming exposed to comedy at that age. I'm 12.
?00:44:55Right.
JVL00:44:56And I think like Chevy, I've seen Caddyshack and I've thought the Chevy chase was amazing. And Bill Murray's, uh, you know, gopher gopher. Right. I think I've just seen the, um, there's a Bill Murray cross country movie, the name of which I no longer remember where he's a cross country coach. He's a track coach. Um. And, uh, I see the trailers for the three amigos and I just think it looks like the funniest fucking thing in the history of the universe. And I saw it, it was the first time I was ever fully disappointed by a movie. Like I remember seeing, thinking there's, this is terrible.
Mike00:45:40There were four jokes and they were all in the trailer. This is horrible.
JVL00:45:44I felt personally betrayed by Martin short and that, uh, I don't know why. Um, and I've just done like, he's, he's always working so hard that it's cloying and I, I don't like his physicality. I find his body grotesque, like in the, cause he's very rubbery, right? Like he's, he's loose limbed and rubbery and, uh, I've just never cared for him and I never really understood why he just. Kept being forced down our throats and now I understand. And the reason he was always forced down our throats was because he was an amazingly good hang and that he was part of this group of people who became very influential in comedy and, uh, they loved him and they thought he was great. And so they just like kept making space for him and he became sort of a comedy institution, if that makes sense. Without the, you know, we're, as you say, like, well, he's here, he's always going to be here, so we might as well enjoy what we can from him. And, uh, you know what? I'm okay with that. Like, uh, is this because he's a good guy and a good hang? And I, I get it. I understand why the SCTV people would keep him around. And, uh, I think it's kind of awesome. I kind of fell in love with him in this documentary and, uh, unsurprising maybe because they're all like. The entire, we've now seen documentaries on like half the SCTV crew. And, uh, I mean, it is possible that we're just getting very shaded views, but they, I, they just seem like genuinely good people. And I'm willing to believe that because they're Canadians. Yeah. I mean, aren't 95% of Canadians good people?
Sonny00:47:36That's for the most part. Yes. Um, the, you, you mentioned his physicality. You were, you're also not a Robin Williams person, right? JBL.
JVL00:47:45You know, I was a Robin Williams standup person. Not a Robin Williams actor person.
Sonny00:47:52That's interesting. That's interesting.
JVL00:47:54So I watched a lot of Robin Williams standup on like VHS tapes as a kid. When we got to Patch Adams, I was like, I'm get the fuck out of here.
?00:48:03Okay.
Sonny00:48:04That's well, Patch Adams. That's, that's understandable. What about Mrs. Doubtfire?
JVL00:48:10Pass.
Sonny00:48:11Okay.
JVL00:48:12What about Dead Poets Society? I mean, I like Dead Poets Society because I like Dead Poets Society. I felt like Holden Caulfield, not because I liked Robin Williams. Sure. Good Morning Vietnam was like the closest to like being bought in on the Robin Williams on screen thing. Like Fisher King hated. Like I.
Sonny00:48:31Fisher King's. I don't, I don't really.
JVL00:48:33Good Will Hunting, Robin Williams. I'm like, come on. JVL.
Sonny00:48:36You don't like Good Will Hunting, Robin Williams?
JVL00:48:38It's not your fault. You don't like Robin Williams. I don't.
Sonny00:48:39What about, what about Aladdin?
JVL00:48:45Again, it worked for me at the time. In retrospect, I'm just going to say it. Will Smith, far superior genie to Robin Williams. I can't, I can't believe what I'm hearing. Far superior. Terrible. Okay. Terrible thing that you've just said. They hated him because he was right.
Mike00:49:08Okay, JVL.
JVL00:49:09No, like I just, I would say again, I came into this watching this, which by the way, directed by Lawrence Kasdan. Yes. Just sort of funny all on his own. It's vaguely annoyed to be watching something about Martin Short and I left feeling tremendous affection for him and like I wanted to be his friend and I just thought that guy seems like an absolute sweetheart. Good for him. I was happy for all of his success.
Mike00:49:34That's how fun, that's how much this documentary turned me around. Well, can I say.
JVL00:49:40Not that he needs my approval or anything, but I'm just saying this was, this was the effect of, of life is short on me.
Mike00:49:46Yeah, I think the actual. Documentary itself does so much work, you know, to, I mean, like the actual structure of the documentary, which is, it's relies heavily on these home videos that he or his wife shot while they're at their, particularly at their cottage, which seems to be where they entertained a lot of people, but even at their home, you know, showing the famous Christmas parties, apparently where people would have to come. It was like a, it was like a talent show, Christmas party and, and all these Hollywood people would sort of have to top each other. And there's, there's obviously you can edit those and you can pick and choose from which home videos you show in this glowing documentary, but it does have the effect of showing rather than just telling the story of how Martin short seems like a family man. Seems like he loved his wife. He loved his kids. He loved his friends. He loved to have a good time with them. He loved to have people around. And enjoy each other's company. And that to me does a lot of the lifting that other documentaries like this don't always have the benefit of, um, you know, it's, it's a lot more of just trusting that the people who were talking to you are telling you the truth that, Oh, he's a great guy. He's wonderful. So, um, I'm, I think I'm much more of a Martin short fan than either of you too. Um, can you explain why, what about his humor works for you? I think it is more than the funny faces. I think there was more going on and there's some hints of this when he talks about, um, he talks about Ed Grimley, which is one of the characters I think originated on SCTV,
JVL00:51:32but maybe the character I hated most.
Mike00:51:34Yeah. See, I, I love that character. I think it's very funny. And, um, he talks about how there is, he talks about the construction of that character, how he kind of came up with it. And there's like two different people in his life. Um, who, uh, but he also had this idea behind it, which was that he is Ed Grimley is like excited and fascinated and wowed by everyday normal things, you know, the phone rings and he says like, Oh, I wonder who that could be. You know, he's like so excited to like pick up the phone and see who's calling him. And I just, I find that, uh, amount of care and. Thought that goes into what could otherwise just be a goofy looking guy with a funny voice, like making funny faces. I think there's something more there. Um, I'm a huge fan of Jiminy Glick, uh, which is the character that there's a big section of the show of the documentary, which is just like showing Jiminy Glick interviews. Um, but like I was watching Jiminy Glick, uh, can, you know, when it was on, when it Jiminy Glick interviews with these celebrities and it's just, it's, I find the improv, like how quick he does these, he comes up with these kind of ridiculous questions and then, uh, is able to throw these celebrities off their game. Very funny. I, I just enjoy it. I, I grew up watching inner space and Clifford and, uh, the father of the bride movies. And so he was just this, like, he was just funny to me in these movies that I watched a lot. Um, and, um, you know, it's one thing that's interesting to me is JVL, you sort of framed it and maybe this is correct. You sort of framed it as like, he sticks around and people keep having space for him because he's a good hang because he's somebody he's, everybody seems to like him. And that's, that's a quality you can't, you know, like if, if you're not fun or, uh, easy to work with on a movie, like you can, you could be run out of, of town pretty quickly in Hollywood. And that's the opposite with him.
Sonny00:53:48You know, who wasn't, what's that Tom Hardy? Well, you know, who wasn't in that you noticed who was not giving glowing, uh, accolades about Martin short in this documentary one Chevy chase. Oh, well, yeah, it was glaringly speak, speaking of people who are not well-liked and exactly kind of run out of town.
Mike00:54:09Well, but I, I think that is probably true. But also if you look at some of his work in the down years, like he just worked. A lot like he, like he, there are projects he does not turn, like he has no, uh, there's nothing where he says, well, that's beneath like he he's doing a made for TV voiceover.
JVL00:54:31Yes. And, and I said that he says like, for me, like it wasn't about art. It was like, I got a mortgage.
Mike00:54:37That's right.
JVL00:54:37He said, got a mortgage.
Mike00:54:38And I really liked that about him as well. So, um, I, uh, he, I, I really enjoy him on only murders in the building. Uh, I think he and Steve Martin have a great, he's great. On talk shows. Like he, he does a lot of different things. He does improv. He does sketch. He does impressions. Um, he does talk shows. He does movies. He does voiceover work. He can say like, he does a lot of things and I always am attracted to comedians and performers who are versatile in that way.
JVL00:55:10And he would have fit in very well in the vaudeville era.
Mike00:55:13Yeah. Well, he even, his persona is like, it's almost like he's like, I'm going to hold on to vaudeville a little bit like that, that idea of vaudeville and sort of like, I'm going to insist on it being a part of entertainment today. And I, I like that too.
Sonny00:55:29So, um, the Jiminy Glick thing is interesting because Jiminy Glick is like, again, it's a very, it's a microcosm of that thing I was talking about earlier where like the first time I saw Jiminy Glick, I was like, oh, this, this is kind of funny. It's kind of silly. And then he turned it into a show and I was like, what the fuck is this? How are we doing this? Like every week on comedy central for, you know, 40 episodes or whatever. Um, but then it goes away for a while and then it comes back during the pandemic and like all of those, all, all of those were, uh, those pandemic and post pandemic episodes were so were just made me laugh. Like, so it was like, it was like, oh, I get it now. I, I am, I'm finally on his wavelength and it probably helped that it was like guys like bill hater who just could not keep it together like while they were doing, while they were doing the thing with him. And I'm like, I respect bill hater. I think bill hater is very funny. If he sees what is so funny in this, I guess I'm, I, I, I guess it is funny. He's a funny guy.
Mike00:56:33And, and, you know, I mean, uh, on the original show on comedy central, like the whole concept was a talk show. And so he's got like a band leader who's played by Michael McKeon, uh, who, who was also plays this kind of oleaginous, like, uh, uh, uh. Uh, you know, uh, that's right. You know, sort of character. And it just felt to me like these were, these were like comedy people kind of making the thing that comedy people would make if they, if they just kind of had their way. And I enjoyed that.
Sonny00:57:03Yeah. Yeah. No, it's definitely, it's definite theory of comedy stuff. Like, uh, and also, also like it's the sort of show that you can only really enjoy if you, it's like, it's like Mel Brooks always says, you can only parody things you love, right? Like you can only really, you can only. You can only really parody things you love. And like, I don't love that. I don't like late night talk shows. I just, I've never, I've never cared for them. I don't, they do nothing for me. And so watching a parody of that, I was like, I already don't like this. Why am I, why am I watching the thing, making fun of the thing I don't like? Um, which I, in theory you would be like, well, that would make it even better. Right. But no, it actually doesn't. It's just more, it's like an annoyance on top of an annoyance. Um, and maybe that's why I like the little, the little version. Versions of it during the pandemic worked for me. Cause it's like just a sit down or maybe it's just cause I had spent more time doing these fucking interviews and realize how terrible and fake they all are. Like that. That's the other possible thing I should keep in mind here that I finally got old enough to, to realize that this is what life is. It's a series of mirrors and bullshit.
Mike00:58:07Yeah. Well, um, the last thing I'll say about Martin short is I highly recommend going to watch him on, you don't like these shows, uh, Sunday. But going to watch a video of him on Johnny Carson back in the eighties, where he does an impersonation of Betty Davis while Betty Davis is sitting next to him. And she doesn't, she basically says like, can you do me? And he like starts to go into it. Uh, and by saying like, oh, I don't know if I can do you, but he's clearly doing a Betty Davis impersonation. And, uh, as he, as he starts to say this, she goes, oh, well, if you can't do it, nevermind. And like the whole, like the whole thing is like very artifice and fun and funny and like Hollywood making fun of itself. And I just, it's, it's one of the funniest things. I just really, I like it because it leans into the artifice and the silliness of it and, and kind of plays it up. So if that's, if that's something you, you like listener, go check it. Uh, any other thoughts on this, uh, documentary? No. Okay. All right. Well, that is all the time we are going to give to this episode. Join us over at sub beacon.com, tell your friends and family, and we will talk to. You next time. No, no Clifford fans here.
Sonny00:59:29Clifford was like, uh, Clifford, again, one of those things where I see the clips of it and I'm like, I understand why this could be funny and I just have never, I've it's never done anything for me because I was on HBO all the time. I would catch pieces of it. I would just be like, I find this person aggravating. Me. I find this man pretending to be a child disturbing on levels. It is not intended to disturb. I just, it never cared. I'd never cared for it.
Mike00:59:56There's something about seeing Charles Grodin, like over the course of a movie,
Sonny01:00:00like lose his mind that this is the thing that was always actually funny about it. Right. Was watching Charles Grodin just be like, stop, stop doing what you're doing.
Mike01:00:11And like that, you act like a human child that, that was always funny to me.
Sonny01:00:15I, that I saw in, in, in it and I. I found it appealing, but like Martin short himself, I found so like uncanny valley, almost like he's, it just, that's true.
Mike01:00:27You know what JVL, I will say the one Martin short thing that has, that never worked for me was his turn on arrested development as the, uh, as the uncle. Remember? Like it just shoot me.
JVL01:00:38Yeah, it was like the way it's just something the body does. Right. It didn't work. Did not like it. Yeah, I'm sure it's fine.
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