#332. 'Zootopia'
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This episode is a rewatch/discussion of the original Zootopia (2016), timed to the blockbuster opening of Zootopia 2, which the hosts note has already grossed over $560 million worldwide, including a startling $271 million out of China alone. Sonny delivers an enthusiastic review, praising the film's stop-motion-like animation texture and its production design full of cinematic homages (the mobster mouse's Godfather-style mansion, the asylum modeled on House on Haunted Hill), even as he mocks the anxious 2016-era critical discourse that fretted over whether the movie's stereotypes-are-bad message secretly implied stereotypes are true. JVL is unmoved, dismissing the film as "Chinatown for six-year-olds" and confessing he can't stand talking-animal movies that paper over nature red in tooth and claw. Mike, watching it for the first time with his kids, calls it a genuinely weird movie with a muddled, sometimes uncomfortable message, though he singles out the sloth-at-the-DMV gag as its one enduring joke, and the trio riffs on the film's unexplained absence of birds, fish, and the opposable thumbs presumably needed to mine concrete. Before any of that, the first third of the episode is consumed by an extended Thanksgiving debrief: JVL's rapturous account of Busta Rhymes' Macy's Parade float performance ("the sickest flows I've ever seen"), a Rockettes-and-dog-show digression, and a long generational-taste argument in which Sonny insists Eminem, the White Stripes, and Foo Fighters belong to millennials rather than Gen X while JVL warns him he'll eventually age into being pandered to at the Super Bowl too. They also dig into the Lane Kiffin-to-LSU coaching soap opera and run down the Thanksgiving box office (Zootopia 2 trouncing Wicked: For Good) before turning to the movie itself.
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Seriously! One billion, with a b. Dollars. The new one will probably make 50% more than that!
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Mike00:00:28Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host Mike Warren. Joining me are my two co-hosts. One of them is a sly fox. The other is a dumb bunny. I'll leave it to you to determine which is which. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at subbeacon.com. Tell your friends and family if they want to listen to this show. They've got to do it at subbeacon.com. New episodes every Friday morning. A lively conversation in the comments. Say hello to us on Instagram @subbeacon. We're going to be talking about Zootopia later on in the show. But first, what is going on? JVL,
JVL00:01:06let's start with you. What's happening? I just want to bring to your attention, because it's possible that you guys may have missed it, that we had last Thursday a seminal moment in American history. Yes. At least modern American history. Now, everybody listening to this, I assume, views Prince's Super Bowl halftime set as one of the great moments in modern pop culture. Yes. Sure. Sure. Right. The epic, epic Prince set where he's in the rain, he's singing Purple Rain. Well, I don't care about Prince. We had the second the second coming of that at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, and it was the the set that Busta Rhymes dropped from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle float at Herald Square. His flows were the sickest I've ever seen, and it was the most perfect expression. I'm not kidding when I say single greatest performance in Macy's history, at least my lifetime. And this was in a parade that was an all time great. I think that the single this Macy's parade was like the the Eagles. Uh, versus Patriots Philly Special Super Bowl. Like one of those. You just you can't back and forth the whole three hours. You can't believe how good it is. You understand that you're witnessing history the entire time. It was it was something else, man.
Mike00:02:42You are a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade aficionado connoisseur kind of connoisseur.
Sonny00:02:48Do you watch? Do you watch it start to finish every year? You turn on NBC and you watch the whole thing tip to tail. I start fascinated often.
JVL00:02:56So long as the news isn't bad. And so this year I avoided the pregame because there was like all sorts of like horrible news, but when it's no, a normal Thursday morning and you can just have the today show on, I will have the today show on starting at like 7:30 or eight o'clock just to
Mike00:03:17get all the little tidbits of, oh, and now we're showing you them assembly up by central park. Oh,
JVL00:03:21here's a scene of what it looked like last night when they were filling the balloons. This year is the 99th Macy's parade. Next year is the big one, 100. Oh, I can't believe the writing was so tight this year. The writing was astonishing and the pacing of it, the inventiveness. Did you guys by chance,
Sonny00:03:40did you watch the show? So I did. Well, I am not a Macy's Thanksgiving day parade watcher. I don't, I don't really watch it, but I did happen to watch almost all of it this year because my kids really wanted to watch it. And I was like, all right, I got nothing else to do. But be with my children. So I might as well, uh, I might as well watch it with you. And I watched pretty much the whole thing. Did you see the goldfish float?
JVL00:04:04I didn't see that one. I didn't see that one. So there they, they come in and they're showing you this goldfish float, like sponsored by goldfish, the peppered farm, the crackers, right? Crackers, the cracker. And it looks like something's not right with it. And you can't quite tell what it is, but it's, you know, we're zoomed in the gold flow, goldfish flows taken up the entire screen. And then we start slowly zooming out and you realize that the goldfish float is about 12 inches long and it's being pulled by a little RC car. Like that is like a truck, you know, like the big Ram trucks that they have pulling all the place. It's an RC version of that. And the goldfish float is fully motorized. And that's why, ah, man, the inventiveness. All I could think of was, was, uh, uh, John Hammond with his, you know, little miniature flea circus spared no expense. And, uh, it was little John performs the, the two fantastic Broadway segments. The, the revival of ragtime opened the show, which was open. The brave was really wonderful. Uh, Jonathan Groff, the great Jonathan Groff there. And they, after his with Sarah Highland, Sarah Highland is on Broadway now who knew the whole thing, the modern family. Yeah. Yeah. Huh? And, uh, the whole, the whole thing was unbelievably good. It had the foreigner, an appearance by foreigner. Come on.
Sonny00:05:38There was the, I will say the, the, the musical performance that jumped out at me, it was not cool in the gang though. I was, I was what's that? Was it Mr. Fantasy? Mr. Fantasy, the, uh, wait, who's Mr. Fantasy. I don't know. I'd never seen him before, but he was
JVL00:05:56on one of the floats doing a sort of David Bowie-esque gender bendy thing.
Sonny00:06:00Oh, no, I know. I know who you're talking about, but that that's not who I'm thinking of. No, I'm thinking of, uh, what's his name? The, uh, Shaggy. Shaggy was there. Shaggy did a medley. Shaggy did a medley of Shaggy songs. Can you believe it? That's a, that's a thing that we have
JVL00:06:16in America in 2025. I'm sorry that the marriage of putting Busta rhymes on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Float is so perfect. It's perfect. They just say they will, the, the, the, the turtles would all listen to Busta rhymes. This is what it's. Oh, that's true. Well, uh, I missed it. Oh, but I,
Mike00:06:41I wouldn't say I missed it. I'm sorry to hear that Michael. No. So, I mean like Thanksgiving morning is a busy time when we're hosting and like I was in the kitchen, like cooking and working and, um, but we put it on for the kids, but we actually don't like for the kids to watch the broadcast because it's like, it's too risky. No, I don't think it's good. I think it's like, I I'm sorry to say this. I just think it's like, there's too many commercials. They don't get to see the float of the, um, balloons enough, which is what they want to see. And they have to do the, like the Broadway show things, which my kids have zero interest in. And, uh, so what we ended up doing was putting on a a stream from last year's parade, where it's just a guy holding the camera at some other place and just watching the floats and the balloons come down fifth Avenue. And, uh, and they were, they
JVL00:07:40were like, they were fine with that. And so they watched that one. If you hate America so much,
Mike00:07:45Oh, we're going to get, we're going to get to that in just a minute. But, uh, no, I just, it's just, it's, I'm glad I I'm glad that it's something for you JVL. And for clearly a lot of people, it's just not exposing your boys to the Rockettes at the end
JVL00:08:00of the Macy's day parade. How are they going to become men? They'll figure it out. Trust me.
Mike00:08:06They're, they're well on their way. Um, they don't need the Rockettes to make them feel a
JVL00:08:10little funny. Like they used to climb the rope in gym class. No, they're just, they're just,
Mike00:08:14they're very boys. So they do not need any more reinforcement on that, uh, on that front, but I don't know. It just, it's, it's, I'm glad you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I, I heard, I caught a little bits and pieces. I was coming down and deal with various things and getting more ingredients from the basement fringe, but no, it's that's, that's good. No, it's, it's, uh, I always liked when we watch it, the, uh, dog show afterward, the AKC dog show. So that's when JVL turns it off.
JVL00:08:41I'd rather get a blow job from the Sarlacc pit.
Mike00:08:46Okay. Um, all right. Well, uh, dog show. Sonny, what, uh, what's going on with you?
Sonny00:08:55I, uh, well, it's, it's interesting. I want to continue in this vein for a minute. Did you guys watch the football games? You watched football games, right? That's what I wanted to talk about.
Mike00:09:02Yes. I watched a lot. Well, not on Thanksgiving on college football. So one of the, one of the
Sonny00:09:07games, the Detroit game, the, the, the Detroit, uh, the lions Packers game, the halftime performance in that show was very interesting because it was, uh, it was Jack white, of course, Detroit, a local Detroit boy of the white stripes and the
Mike00:09:24raconteurs of the recently inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame, recently inducted
JVL00:09:28into the rock and roll hall of fame, good enough and big enough to be in the fucking hall of fame.
Mike00:09:32Really? Jack, Jack white, the white, great song. The white stripes are like my favorite band of
Sonny00:09:39the last 25 years. Mike, Mike was, Mike is better qualified to talk about this than I am, but I would like, I, the raconteurs, I, I can't, I love the director. No, not a joke. I have all their records on vinyl. Yeah. The white stripes are, the white stripes are kind of a seminal, 2000s rock band, but this gets to my, this gets to my, my point here, which is that, all right, so Jack white plays and then Eminem comes out and does like a guest guest verse or what he does. He does a little another, another, another Detroit boy, another, another Detroit Detroiters coming in and doing their, doing their thing. And I, I tweeted something to the effect of, you know, we millennials have aged out of being pandered to at the super bowl. You know, now it's fucking bad bunny and whatever. I like, I, you know, we, we don't, we're, we're done. They're done with us, but we still get one of the Thanksgiving halftime shows. We get one of the Thanksgiving halftime shows, which led to not, I would not describe it as a deluge, but several very angry Gen Xers who said, no, no, no. Jack white is 51. Eminem is 53. They're Gen X icons. We, we claim them for Gen X and that got me to thinking a, that those people are idiots, you know, them pedantic, but, but, but, but it's, but it's the wrong kind of pedantry because when you describe somebody as an icon to a generation, you're not talking about the age group that they're in. You're talking about who the, the generation whose music appeals to the, whose music, whose music that they made, like was popular with that generation. Right. And I would say, I would say I M and M is M and M is kind of an edge case. Cause M and M is actually like, if we wanted to really get into the, the generational breakdown, I would say M and M is like, is, is he's like a G a generation Oregon trail guy almost. Right. He hits that, he hits that kind of elder millennial edge case between Gen X and, and the millennials. Right. And that's, that is like, I'm nine, I'm 82. I was born in 82. I'm right in the midst of that from like, if you, if you say 80 to 84, is that kind of micro generation? I'm right in the midst of that. And I'm like, okay, I can, I can, I could see maybe claiming M and M for Gen X, but really, really he's a millennial, uh, like a millennial icon. He was huge. Right. Right. He's a millennial icon. He was huge on TRL. Like TRL is not a Gen X phenomenon. Total requests live was not a Gen X phenomenon. No, no, no, no.
JVL00:12:23When I was in high school and college, TRL was like everything everybody talked about.
Sonny00:12:28TRL, TRL was not on when you were in college. TRL, TRL, TRL was from like 98.
Mike00:12:35Total request live premiered on September 14th, 1998. Really? You were not in college. You're thinking of, you're thinking of something else,
Sonny00:12:45whatever you're thinking of. It's not total request live, but he was, he was big on total request live. His, uh, the Marshall. You're thinking of dial MTV, by the way. By the way. Yeah. That, that's what you're thinking of. The Marshall Mathers LP comes out, I believe in 2000. Yes. And that is like, again, that's like you're, if you're, if you are the oldest of the millennials, you're 18 to 19. And I feel like that, that, that is a, that's an, that's an album that kind of appeals to anyway. I was 12 when that album came out and
Mike00:13:16like that summer, my best friend, cause I didn't know that album, but like my best friend taught me the words to. The real Slim Shady. Um, and like, we just like, we just recited it all summer spoken word.
Sonny00:13:32Exactly. Like Shakespeare. So the, the, uh, so, okay. So like Eminem, maybe, maybe an edge case all, but, but I, I would claim for the millennials as a, the main fandom is millennial. Totally. The white stripes inarguably, uh, millennial phenomena like that, that is a band that becomes popular in the early two thousands really hits their peak in the mid 2000s. And then the raconteurs are like the next five or six years after that. So like Jack White's period of pop cultural dominance is from like 2003 to 2010 or so again, that is peak millennial, like taste making period. I I'm sure there are Gen Xers who liked the white stripes. I'm sure there are Gen Xers who were fans of the raconteurs. Like I'm not, I'm not saying that Gen Xers can't like uh, can't like Jack White and his bands, but it, that is a millennial phenomenon in terms of like those, that those are the, the years that that music is most popular for that group of people.
Mike00:14:36Right. Like, am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. You're not crazy. Okay. What would be, how would you define like the ultimate boomer, uh, band? Like which, who would you, who would you say is
Sonny00:14:47the ultimate boomer? The ultimate boomer band is, is, uh, is the Beatles, right? Like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones are like the ultimate boomer bands. Every single founding
Mike00:14:56member of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones was born before 1945. Exactly. They're not boomers. They are not boomers. Right. Yeah. They are the ultimate it's it's it's you, you are Sonny. I hate to say it. You are obviously right. Uh, and, and self-evidently correct. You're wrong
JVL00:15:13about one thing though. Oh, it's a, it's a piece of good news I have for you. You have aged out of being pandered to at the Superbowl for now. But you will age back in to being pandered to by the Superbowl in about 15 years when you are one of the old people, because what they do is they alternate between like, Hey, we'll do something for the youngs and something for the olds. And right now you're just middle-aged, but someday you'll be an old person and they'll be like, Hey, look, there's Jack White. 78 year old Jack White
Mike00:15:46will be playing the Superbowl and you'll be like, Hey, they're doing it for free. Hey, look, I gotta put my, put my glasses on to see Jack White. Oh, look at that Meg still playing her little Tom Tom. She's so good. She good drummer. I want to hear it. I want to hear an octogenarian
JVL00:16:07Eminem doing, uh, you know, doing Stan. Yeah, that would be, this is how we are all. I am not quite there yet, but I think I'm pretty close to aging into getting, there was that kind of hip hop,
Mike00:16:22one from a couple of years ago. Oh, that one was for me.
Sonny00:16:27Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem. Snoop Dogg, guys, Eminem. Missy Elliott. They're all there, yeah. That was like, yeah, I mean, again, that was, you know.
JVL00:16:36So it's coming back around to you, Sonny, don't worry. It'll come back. The only downside is you'll be, you know, closer to death.
Sonny00:16:43Yeah. No, I pray for it every day.
Mike00:16:47I'm closer to death than I was at the start of this podcast.
Sonny00:16:49The real question, all right, one last thing. One last thing before I go. The real dividing line, I think, is Nirvana and Foo Fighters. Nirvana, Gen X band. I will grant Nirvana, Gen X band. Foo Fighters, Millennial band. Yes. Foo Fighters, Millennial band. Two, it's Dave Grohl in both, but one is a Gen X phenomenon. The other is a Millennial phenomenon. I will argue, I will fight that one until I go to my grave.
JVL00:17:15Well, Grunge is Gen X.
Sonny00:17:17Grunge is Gen X. And again, I like, I grew up listening to Grunge. I was, you know, 10 when Nevermind came out or 9 when Nevermind came out. Like, I, I love the Grunge, but I'm happy to cede Grunge to the Gen Xers. That's their, that's their thing.
Mike00:17:37Did you know that, that Dave Grohl, the singer, at least singer and guitarist for the Foo Fighters, played the drums in Nirvana?
JVL00:17:45Did you know that? No way, man.
Mike00:17:47He did.
Sonny00:17:48I find that hard to believe. He's the, he's, he, first of all. First of all, I've, I've seen him play with the Foo Fighters at the 930 Club. He played guitar. He did not play drums.
Mike00:17:59Does not play drums. Little, little known, little known before there was a band that came before called Nirvana and he was in, he was in that band.
Sonny00:18:05Oh, I'm aware of Nirvana. I know about Nirvana. Nirvana was Kurt Cobain. I'm aware of, I'm aware of the works of Nirvana. All right. I, you don't have to.
Mike00:18:15I only know them from the t-shirts.
Sonny00:18:17You don't have to try and educate me about Nirvana, Mike. I'm just saying that I've seen. I mean, I've seen Dave Grohl perform live. I've actually seen Dave Grohl perform live three times. I've, I've seen him at the 930 Club. I've seen him at, uh, I've, I saw him at the, at the time, the Verizon Center. And I saw him play at, uh, in a big, uh, stadium. I, I can't remember the Virgin Fest. Remember Virgin Fest? He played the, in each one of those, in each one of those performances, he sang and he played guitar, not drums. You're a liar.
Mike00:18:50By the way. No, bit, bit over the, uh, my favorite Dave Grohl. Um, it was a bit, uh, my favorite Dave Grohl, uh, uh, interview or whatever. He's talking about the, uh, drums on smells like teen spirit. And he's talking with like an older black, uh, producer, music producer. And he's like, he's like, you realize like the drums on smells like teen spirit. It's, it's disco. I was playing disco drums. It's four on the floor and like. He was just, and he like mentions all these like funk and disco songs that he was just clearly ripping off from. And the producer was like, yeah, yeah, we know. We, we, we know exactly what you're doing. Yeah. We clocked that white boy. Exactly. So I love it. Um, anyway. All right. Well, thank you, Sonny. So, uh, I guess we'll continue. Like basically what did we all watch, uh, while we sat on our asses, uh, over Thanksgiving? I watched a lot. Riveting podcast material. I know. Exactly. And then we're going to talk about what we watched for the movie. Um, okay. Uh, I watched a ton of college football and, you know, a couple of weeks ago, JVL, you, you had some choice words for college football and, um, I wasn't, I insufficiently defended college football, but I think, I think we can all agree that whatever you want to say about what's going on on the field. And there was a lot of great stuff we saw on the, uh, on the field, uh, over two days. I mean, how lucky are we to have lived at a time? We could watch two straight days of great college football at the end of the season rivalry week, uh, by Vanderbilt commoners beating the university of Tennessee in Knoxville. Uh, just to, just to total beat down in the second half. Uh, it was, it was great. We had close games, uh, even, you know, uh, it's, you know, some, you know, Alabama, like keeping it close, uh, with, with Auburn before they pull ahead, uh, great weekend, but also all of the other dramas you guys, I don't know how familiar you are with the drama going on with old miss and LSU and Lane Kiffin, uh, like the biggest piece of shit in college
Sonny00:20:57football, uh, deciding, yes, he doesn't, he looks like, he looks like every time I see, every time I see Lane Kiffin, all I think is why is Daniel Tosh on the sideline?
Mike00:21:08So, so, so, okay. So to set things up for people who aren't paying attention.
JVL00:21:11So again, what's more, Brian Kelly is the biggest piece. Lane Kiffin, as bad as he is, never killed anyone.
Mike00:21:18Uh, yeah. Brian Kelly. Well, I, uh, I'll let, yeah.
Sonny00:21:21That we know.
Mike00:21:22Um, yeah, there's some question about what he was doing at USC. Um, no, but so Brian, right. Brian Kelly, uh, in a dumpster somewhere, I would not be surprised. Uh, Brian Kelly, who of course, uh, left Notre Dame and came down to LSU. What was that like eight years ago? Um, and was like immediately a bad culture fit and hung around there and then was fired earlier this year after being beaten by Vanderbilt. Um, so he's, he's fired. And then the question was like, who's going to coach at LSU? And, uh, immediately it was very clear that LSU was making a play for Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin, who has since 2020 has been the head coach at Ole Miss, uh, long time rival, uh, of LSU and, uh, Lane Kiffin, um, coached a great Ole Miss team. They are going, they are currently, as we were recording this, they are in the SEC championship against Georgia. Um, and, uh, wait, am I right about that? I could be wrong about that. Uh, scratch that reverse that.
Sonny00:22:29Um, no, they're in, they're in the SEC. That's right. That's right. That's right. He has, he has a path to the national title right now.
Mike00:22:37Correct. Ole Miss has had it. Yes. Ole Miss still has a path to the national title. Um, he, uh, was essentially playing out this drama like in the press, uh, like what's he going to do? What's he going to do? ESPN literally sent a reporter down to Starkville, which is where Mississippi state is. Cause the egg bowl was on Friday and, uh, which is Ole Miss Mississippi state, the rivalry game center reporter down there. And just like, I don't know if, I don't know if he slept. He just was like waiting for the announcement was supposed to come on Saturday. Nothing, uh, nothing happened. Lane Kiffin's being all like coquettish about it. Uh, and then he announces Lane Kiffin announces on Sunday on, in a tweet. In a statement on Twitter that, uh, after, after lots of prayer, he is, he has decided that he's going to take the job, uh, at LSU, but, but, and like, okay, it's a money thing. They're going to pay him a whole bunch of money. He gets to be a coach at, uh, no, he's getting, he's getting paid quite a bit of money. Oh, he's already got a lot of money, but look, all I'm saying is it's a, it's a dirty business. Of course, like there's a possibility that somebody is going to go for a better job somewhere.
Sonny00:23:52But Mike, yes, Mike, I have a question, question, question. How did Lane Kiffin wind up at Mississippi state or I'm sorry, how did, how did, how did, I'm sorry, how did he wind up at, uh, Ole Miss?
Mike00:24:06He, uh, do we really need to go through all the drama?
Sonny00:24:09I do feel like, because I think you can't, I think you can't properly understand how shit he is until you, until you really like, how did he, how did he get from Tennessee? He was at Tennessee, right? Well, he had been, he had been at Tennessee.
Mike00:24:24All right. So let's, okay, let's, let's really back up. So in, when was this in 2007, Lane Kiffin, uh, a Gen Xer, by the way, uh, was named
Sonny00:24:35Gen X icon.
Mike00:24:36Some would say, uh, uh, is named the youngest NFL coach ever at the time. Uh, he coaches the Oakland Raiders for like, uh, uh, two seasons, one season. I agree. It wasn't very long. Um, and takes the. At the university of Tennessee in 2009. Wow. Tennessee, like one of the storied, uh, you know, college football game, uh, teams, uh, taking over for Phil Fulmer who had been there for a long time was fired. Fatty Phil Fulmer. Um, I, I hate Tennessee. I hate Tennessee. He's announced as the, uh, as the head coach. Um, it's, uh, it's a pretty big deal for the time. 2 million, $2 million, something like that. Um, and. And, uh, they have a middling season in 2009 wins over Georgia, I think that year, but they lost a bunch.
Sonny00:25:30Um, and, uh, so I don't know that we, I don't need to know that we need to run through the history of the SEC. Sorry.
Mike00:25:38And the point is, the point is, the point is, uh, that he left Tennessee after one season after a middling season. Uh, to go, uh, to USC, to the university of Southern California. And, um, basically there was no love lost between anybody there, all the Tennessee fans. Uh, and, and it was, there were riots on campus. It was a disaster. Then he was at USC for like four years. Um, and he was fired from USC because he was a piece of shit there. Uh, and then he was coaching like, uh, uh, for, for Saban, like doing some like defensive, uh, or offensive. Uh, a coordination for them. Uh, they was at Florida Atlantic and then landed at Ole Miss. And so now he's leaving and I just want to read. Um, so yeah, he says after a lot of, this is, this is on Sunday. After a lot of prayer times, but with family, I made the difficult decision to accept the head coaching position at LSU really should have ended the statement there. Right. I've accepted this position that Ole Miss feared I was going to take and everybody kind of knew I was going to take blah, blah, blah. That's it. Right. Like, that's what, that's how it should have ended. Oh. And then there was a paragraph at the end of a statement. Well, I'm looking forward to a new start. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I will forever cherish my time at Ole Miss. Yeah. In the middle of this statement is a giant paragraph that any PR person like worth their, their salt, like would, would have told him to leave out. And he says this, I was hoping to complete a historic six season run with this year's team by leading Ole Miss through the playoffs. I wanted to, I wanted to stay here and take Ole Miss through the playoffs, capitalize on the team success, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My request to do so was denied. By Keith Carter, that's the AD at Ole Miss, despite the team also asking him to allow me to keep coaching them so they could better maintain their high level of performance. Unfortunately, that means Friday's Egg Bowl was my last game coaching the Rebels. This is like, many people have made this, this comparison. This is like a man who cheats on his wife with the better looking neighbor next door. And then they decide to get divorced, but he says, but I'm, I want to stay through Christmas for the kids. And she's like, no, F you. So anyway, so that's where we are. Lane Kiffin is going to LSU. He's going to be paid exactly what Brian Kelly was being paid, but like over seven years instead of 10 years. And the drama, I mean, where are you getting this?
Sonny00:28:09LSU paid out Brian Kelly's contract. Yes. They fired him. They fired him and paid out his contract and they're paying that much again. I, I, I have. I have. I have a lot of thoughts on, I have a lot of thoughts on this and I will, I will hold them to two, which is a, it's, it's always as somebody who grew up in, in and adjacent to the South, I, you know, in Florida and Virginia, it's been a lot of time. I live in Texas now. I'm always hearing people talk about the glories of the college game and how it's, you know, so pure and, you know, they're just doing, I've, I have really enjoyed watching the NCAA devolve into just grubby. The money grabbing by players and coaches alike, the coaches in particular, like, I don't care if I, frankly, it took too long for the players to start getting paid. The problem with, with how the players get paid is that they're hopping from school to school every year. It's a nightmare. Like you can't, you can't cheer for any of these guys. Cause they're never on the team. Well, it's, this has been, this has been joyous to why it is. Oh, how can you cheer for? You're just cheering for laundry. You're just cheering for these pro teams where the players just come and go. Like, fuck you. Look at the college now. It's all, it's all the same. The coaches again, like they are, they are grown men who act like children all the time. I hate all of them. They're all, they're all scumbags. However, I will say I, what I did not understand about this whole situation is why they couldn't all just act like fucking adults until the end of the, just do it at the end of the year. Do it. Just do this at the end of the year. Don't like, I understand. I understand. I understand that the schools need to set the coaches and you gotta have blah, blah, blah, but like do it all at the end of the year, do it all at the end of the year so you can finish the season. Just play the season out. You know, I like, that's what, that's what drives me crazy about all this.
Mike00:30:05But here's, here's why, because that's, that's a totally logical solution to this, right? Wait till it's over and then make your changes. Um, it's because LSU knew, knows that Lane Kiffin is a piece of shit. They, this is. This is like, this is how dirty it, it is. It's like, there's like, there's like hatreds and rivalries and they're playing off of that, um, in order to get, I don't know, like more attention. Like, it's just, it's, it's a great show. It's a show that you can't not watch. It does feel like pro wrestling, right?
JVL00:30:41There's a lot. The NWO has a third man, right? You know, the, the, the gimmick where the, there's a new wrestler and he's the two different managers are trying to get him to sign up their stable and he double crosses. The one thing I would say is, uh, it would be cool if the NCAA had a rule whereby all coaching personnel decisions had to be announced in person in their home stadiums. So Lane Kiffin would have to in his home stadium in old miss filled with old miss fans. Stand up with the microphone and say, I'm leaving to take this job. That would be pretty great. That would, I feel like that would be better, more drama.
Mike00:31:30So, so I will say this by, um, by the time this airs, this will maybe have changed, but it's been, you know, four 36 plus hours since Lane Kiffin announced this, his Twitter bio still says head coach of Ole Miss FB come to the stadium. So the SIP, the SIP is, is in Oxford, Mississippi. Uh, and he has his location is Oxford, Mississippi. So like, he's like, he's doing, he's doing press conferences at LSU. He's posting about LSU football, how great it is. And it still says he's head coach of Ole Miss. It's just, it's sad. It's dramatic. It's great. How can you not enjoy it? Yes. It just means more. All right. Let's move on to the box office. And, uh, number one at the box office this week, knocking wicked for good off. Uh, and this depends, like we're talking about Thanksgiving here, so we could talk about the weekend, but also it's essentially a five day weekend, but for the strict weekend, uh, Friday through Sunday, Zootopia two, $100 million in those three days. Number one at the box office total for that since it was, it was released before Thanksgiving, 150, almost $159 million. Um, just. Dominant it, uh, gross wicked too. What do we think?
Sonny00:32:56Worldwide? Yes. Worldwide. Yes.
?00:32:58Wow.
Sonny00:32:59Absolutely. Because it's, uh, so the, the, the domestic money is interesting, you know, a hundred, $158 million through five days is like a lot. That's, that's, that is pretty interesting, but the big, the big news here is, uh, is the overseas number, which is, uh, enormous in, in the, the bulk of that. It was coming from China. I mean, for a long time, um, you know, studios have kind of looked at China and anything they get there is just kind of found money. And I don't think Disney was expecting this to do what it has done in China. But if we are to believe the box office numbers being reported out of China, and that's a separate question we can address maybe in a minute. Um, it, the movie has grossed $271 million in China. So it is grossed more money in China, like not, not overseas. Overall, it is grossed more money in China than it has, uh, in the United States by like, like almost double. It almost doubled the, um, the, uh, the, the take domestically. Yes. JVL, you have your hand in the air.
JVL00:34:04With an animated movie, do they have to dub it or can they re-sync all of the, the mouth stuff with the animated things so that it actually plays as if it's a native. Chinese language movie. Can't AIs do that?
Sonny00:34:24I will. So yes. So this is once upon a time, I mean, this is watching, watching anime growing up. All of the, all of the English dubbing was off of the, the, the mouse. Cause it was all dubbed for Japanese language. So you dub the English on top of it. It's all off. They have the technology now to match the, the words to the, um, the, the to the mouths. I do not know for at a 100% certainty that they use it in, in the Chinese releases. I don't know. I just don't, I don't know what the answer to that is. Um, what do I mean? Like one of the interesting kind of AI machine learning things is the, the, the use of this technology to dub live action stuff.
JVL00:35:16Once we have, once we have all robot actors, then every movie will be able to play as if it's in your native tongue.
Sonny00:35:24Right? Well, that's what, what movies that the technology exists now you could, you could like mission and the new mission and the latest mission impossible movie final reckoning, you know, there's a guy who has voiced Tom Cruise every and every Tom Cruise movie in France for the last 30 years, that guy, they can, he can do that his Tom Cruise voice and they can theoretically sink the mouth to, that now the actors don't like this. Actors don't like this because it's changing how their face looks like. They don't, they don't, they don't, they don't like it. And I am curious. I honestly don't know what the answer is in terms of like who has to get permissions, how all that works.
JVL00:36:06Futures animation. The, the pictures don't get no say.
Sonny00:36:11Pictures don't have any, don't have any, any say in this. Anyway, the, the, to answer your question, JVL Zootopia has grossed $560 million worldwide over after one weekend and wicked for good has grossed $391 million because it's so good. It's, it's getting, it's getting fine reviews. I like the, the, I, I want to see it. I want my kids want to see it. We just haven't, we weren't able to, to get to it. Um, I, the bigger question is how much do we trust these numbers coming out of China? And that, that is more of an open question. I think then a lot of people are, a lot of people take that number very credulously.
JVL00:36:49And I, I, I don't mean to get all truthery about $750 million in China. Sonny, what's that? Rush hour four has already opened.
Sonny00:37:02Based on Chinese, just pre-sale, um, just in pre-sale. I trust that data, but the, uh, but it's, but it's, uh, you know, I like, again, I think, I think Zootopia two is probably, it's making a lot, you know, it's funny. I read some amateur, some, some, some professional amateur analysis of this, which basically says like Chinese audiences love it because it's about a peasant going to the big city and learning how to make their way. And this is, this is like where all of these new theaters in China have been built. The AMC has built a thousand theaters in like the hinterlands. And it's, it's all of these people who are like, I want to move to Shanghai or Beijing or wherever. Yeah.
JVL00:37:44I want to work at a Foxconn factory.
Sonny00:37:47Exactly. Exactly. So I don't know, maybe, maybe it's maybe, maybe the numbers are legit, but it could like, it grossed a hundred million dollars in a day in China. It grossed a hundred million dollars in one day. It could do six or $700 million in China. I don't know. I like, it could gross a billion dollars. I don't know. The other, the other, the other thing that's coming out, of course, in the next couple of weeks here is avatar too. And that will also be huge in China. So avatar three, avatar three, avatar three, sorry.
Mike00:38:18Let's talk before we move on to talk. Let's talk about the originals. You to be a wicked for good, a pretty, a pretty bad drop, right? 58%.
Sonny00:38:27It's a, that's a, that's a steep drop. I mean, again, you're, you're comparing the, the problem when you're comparing the two three-day weekends is, is hard because it's a five-day weekend and you know, some of that gets spread out weirdly. So I, I like, I don't want to, I don't want to put too much into that, but it was, it's, it's, it's a big drop 58%. That's not, that's not, that's not holding it and it lost. I think it lost most of its premium large format screens. I think Zootopia two had most of those or had like two thirds of them.
JVL00:38:59I don't know what you did for the spectacle for the spectacle,
Sonny00:39:02for the, for the rabbits and the foxes.
?00:39:05All right.
Mike00:39:06Any other box office thoughts? No. All right. Well then let's move on and talk about again, Zootopia two is in theaters and dominating at the box office and maybe on its way to a billion dollars in China. Or, or whatever. But we're talking about the original Zootopia, which came out nine years ago, 2016, 2016, a different time.
Sonny00:39:30For some reason, I thought it was even older than that. For some reason, I thought it was like, like early to 2010s and, and it's like almost later than I thought.
Mike00:39:39Yeah. Yeah. Well, why don't we, we're talking, we watched it. We're talking about it. Sonny, give us a big boy review of Zootopia.
Sonny00:39:49Zootopia. Zootopia starring Jennifer Goodwin as a rabbit and Jason Bateman as Fox. She wants to be a cop, but she's a rabbit. Rabbits aren't cops. Cops are big, big, mean animals like oxen and polar bears and the such. She's just a little rabbit though, but she's got big dreams. She's got a lot of heart and moxie. She's going to be, she's going to be, she's going to throw off the stereotypes and she's going to be rabbit, rabbit cop. Her fox friend, her fox friend is, is too sly for his own good because he's a fox. He's, he's Fox. I find this movie fascinating. So anyway, I'm, I'm being sarcastic here, but the, the, the, the plot of this movie is pretty straightforward. It's all about how stereotypes are real. And we, we have, we have to, we have to respect. I'm, I'm fascinated by this movie because I went back and read some of the reviews in 2016 when it came out and it, it came out at a very weird time in cultural, writing history because half the reviews are, are, I mean like 99% of critics are progressives and you know, they, as a result, the, the, the reviews all kind of focus on the message of the movie, which is about the message of the movie is very straightforward. It's like, don't judge people. Don't judge a book by its cover. That that's the, that's the whole, that's the, if you're boiling the movie down to one lesson, that's the last year. Don't, don't judge a book by its cover. And, so many of the reviews are like, yes, that's the, that's the message on the surface. But if you go a level deeper, it's actually saying that all of these stereotypes are true. Like sloths are slow and work at the DMV and rabbits multiply and, you know, have too many children. And you could see Matt, Matt's older sites were in his review was like, you could see how racist would love this movie because it just confirms all the, and I, I just was reading some of these and I was like, God damn, we were, everybody was so twisted. Around their axles in 2016. And that's why I kind of joke at the top here that, you know, the, the movie is about all the stereotypes being true because it is kind of about that, but it is also very obviously not about that. It's the movie is about, you know, don't fall into the trap of believing that you can only be the stereotypical thing. It's got a very kind hearted, straightforward, you know, like Obama era liberalism message. Like every, this, this is like the, this is the, this is what, this is what the culture was in 2016. She's fucking telling she's, she gives the, she gives somebody a lecture about, you can't call you a bunny can call a bunny cute, but you can't call a bunny cute. We find that very offensive. And it's just like, it's like, man, it's like, this is what everything was like then. Anyway, I it's, it's, I set it, set all that aside. I, I actually, I actually really, I like this movie a lot. I like the animation in this movie a lot. I like the animation style in this movie a lot. It does this weird, interesting thing where whenever there's a closeup, everything has like almost, almost stop motion texture to it. It feels like a lot of the things are kind of like, it feels like they're physical and tangible and real, like the, the hair and the, the, the clothing and the fur and stuff. And I love the design of the city. I love the design of the city. If you, if you pay attention, and I, there were two or three that jumped out at me, like the, the, the house that the mobster mouse lives in is very obviously based on the house from the Godfather, right? Like that's a, that's very clear homage. And there's the, the, the mental hospital where the wild animals, the, the feral animals have been taken to is very clearly based on the, the building from house on haunted Hill, which is a, you know, either you, you can either go with the Vincent price or the, the 1999 one. But like, it's, it's like kind of this kind of big tower overlooking a sea cliff. And it's just, it's like a very art deco styling. It's just a very clear homage to that. And you see this pop up a couple of times throughout the movie, whoever was in charge of designing this, had a lot of fun pulling from cinematic references past is what I'm saying. And I just, I like, I, I, I dig it. I dig the look of the thing. I dig the, I dig the, the look of the thing. And again, it's just a nice, it's just a nice little animated message movie. It's it's, it's nice. It's when Jason Bateman, everybody loves Jason JBL. You love Jason Bateman in this, right? You love Jason Bateman JBL.
JVL00:44:35I didn't care for it.
Sonny00:44:37You didn't care for it. You don't care. You don't care for Zootopia.
JVL00:44:41I don't care for Zootopia and I don't care for anything in it, including Jason. Bateman's voice work. I find, I mean, it's, it's like Chinatown for six year olds. And I, I don't like talking animal movies in general. I find them insipid and I really don't like talking animal movies in which we just gloss over the fact that nature is red and tooth and claw like that.
Sonny00:45:18Just they've evolved. They've evolved. They've transcended. They've transcended.
JVL00:45:22We're all the insects, right? We're the, I mean, this is one of my questions. Pass. And, but what's funny is I was thinking to myself when we started talking about this, I said, okay, I'll go redo this because I think I saw this in theaters twice because it was, I think there was like kids needed to go out. Kids need to go out. Let's go see Zootopia again. And they all liked it fine. But I did not realize that it had grossed over a billion dollars.
Mike00:45:56Original Zootopia grossed over a billion,
JVL00:45:58not adjusted for inflation. Right. And so I thought to myself, boy, this has got to be the, the, the least influential movie to ever gross over a billion dollars. And it turns out that 54 films have grossed over a billion dollars and Zootopia is not. I wait,
Sonny00:46:20I can movie. Can I say, can I say which is the least important, which is the least important American movie to gross over a billion dollars?
JVL00:46:27You could try. Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't pick just one from the list. I, they're like,
Sonny00:46:32I know exactly. I'll tell you exactly which one it is. It's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland.
JVL00:46:37Oh, I was going to go. That was certainly. Yes.
Sonny00:46:40Tim Burton's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland grossed a billion dollars because you know what? And you know, specifically why it's actually not the most influence in many ways.
JVL00:46:49Is it Tim Burton movie grossed a lot? No, didn't he do another fairytale one or is this one first? And then he did the other one.
Sonny00:46:56This, this one was first. No, the reason though, the reason it grossed a billion dollars is because it was the first big 3d movie after avatar. It was the first big 3d movie after avatar. So avatar comes out, avatar grosses $2.7 billion. Everybody goes to see it a bunch of times. And then everybody in Hollywood's like, Oh shit, we got a 3d everything we got to do. We got to do all the, so they convert, they do a 3d conversion on Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. And it looks like complete dog shit. It looks like complete dog shit. So everybody goes to see it and they're like, Oh, this looks bad. This looks bad. I don't like it. And I, I, you can, you can, I, I wish I had polling data of this on the time, because I bet you could track the steep drop off of public opinion on, on 3d after that movie comes out. And everyone's like, Oh, I guess avatar is the only one that's going to be able to do this. Right?
JVL00:47:52Yeah. Uh, transformers age of extinction was going to be on my, my list of the five least influential movies to gross over a billion dollars. Hey, but my point was though, that you would think to gross a billion dollars that a film would have to have leave some sort of cultural footprint. And I think that's only true about two thirds of the movies on this list. So if you go through the list of the 54 movies, about two thirds of them, you go, yeah, okay. Right. And about one third of them, you're like, yes, that that's a touchstone. Everybody knows that movie. Right. Right. And then the next third, you're like, yeah, okay. Like, you know, I know why it's there. I know that toy story four is there because, well, sort of the end of the toy story saga. And, you know, and I guess it meant something to people. Age of Ultron is there because, well, people went crazy for the first Avengers movie. Sure. Good. But then there's another third. That's just like that made that much money. Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody saw that. Nobody likes it. Nobody could tell you anything about that movie. You could not find a hundred people anywhere in America who would tell you Transformers Age of Extinction is their favorite movie.
?00:49:12You couldn't.
JVL00:49:13We have 330 million people in this country, and you could not find a hundred of them to tell you that Age of Extinction is the best movie they've ever seen and get a billion dollars. Dark of the Moon is on the list.
Sonny00:49:25I know. Dark of the Moon is good.
JVL00:49:29I wouldn't go that far, but it's like it's not Age of Extinction.
Sonny00:49:33Yeah. No, the one on this, I'm just going through the list. There are so many interesting ones on this list that you can like point to as like weird moments in history, like Captain Marvel grossing $1.1 billion,
JVL00:49:46which is, which is, which is,
Sonny00:49:49which is around the same time that that's Aquaman. Yeah. Aquaman is a little bit higher up the list. $1.1 billion. Those movies like that was like the peak of the peak of the comic book boom.
JVL00:50:04The bubble right there after that for comic books.
Sonny00:50:07It was, it was, it was, yeah. But the, no, my favorite, my favorite one on this list is, oh God. Oh, I just, I just saw it. Where is it? Uh, not Deadpool and Wolverine though. That's also a funny one.
Mike00:50:22Um, Asia too.
Sonny00:50:24Well, no, that's, that's a China thing. No, it's Aladdin. It's Aladdin. Aladdin, Aladdin grossing, not, not the original Robin Williams.
JVL00:50:32The good one.
Sonny00:50:33The Will Smith Aladdin. Yes. The good one. If you could, if you like Aladdin being Will Smith's highest grossing film of all time is like one of the, one of the, my fun trivia facts. I like to bust out on people. Like, can you tell me what, and everyone's like, oh, I don't, I guess.
Mike00:50:49Boy, could it be men in black or independence day had to be Ali wild, wild West.
JVL00:50:56Got the first two letters, right?
Mike00:50:58Aladdin. Aladdin. It's amazing.
JVL00:51:01All right.
Mike00:51:02Uh, like it, Michael, did you, so, uh, I had not actually seen it until we watched it this week. And, um, did you do it with the kids? I did like the first half hour with them and then they had to go to bed. And so. Um, uh, my, my oldest who had saw it back, like not long after it came out, um, at home, he rewatched, he watched the rest of it later. Uh, and, um, I, I want to associate myself with Mr. Bunch's remarks about the look of this movie. I liked the way it looked. The train ride scene is just, it was just delightful to watch and the design of the whole concept and design of. Zootopia, they're like little sectors that are these kind of very different biomes. And, you know, there's the Tundra land and the jungle land and all that stuff. Uh, I enjoyed that. Um, I just think this movie is really fucking weird. Like I it's, it's a weird movie and I, all of those things that you mentioned Sonny at the top about like, wait a second, are stereotypes good or are they bad or are they, I should say, are stereotypes correct or are they not correct? And the mood, like I wouldn't care about that except the movie is very clearly like wants it to be a message movie. And I just didn't quite understand. I didn't get a clear answer of what the message was.
Sonny00:52:38And it's, it's very clear what the message was intended to be. Cause they say it a thousand times, but it's not, but they, they, they say it,
Mike00:52:48but they don't convey it. Consistently it's very, you know, like all the stuff about like, um, you know, it's, it's, I mean, in a way it's like, okay. So I think that here's the problem. If you're grafting it onto the real world, like our world, it makes no sense. So like, and, and it, and it goes in some directions that honestly, I felt like a little uncomfortable, uncomfortable about, right? Like there's this whole thing at the beginning when, when what's your name? Judy is. Is getting ready to go into the big city to become a cop. And like the parents out in the country, the bumpkins are like, oh, you got to stay out of the, you know, oh, you're in the inner city. Oh no. Like take some Fox spray and you gotta be careful. And it like gets into some like uncomfortable stuff about like, uh, but about like stereotypes about, about people and like, you know, in the city and the country and it's dangerous in the city, all this stuff, but it's all kind of like played for laughs. Like, aren't these cute little bunnies so funny the way they're like, you know, basically racist. And it's, it's, so I'm supposed to like laugh at with them and at them, but also be like, well, they're wrong. I don't know. The whole thing was just totally kind of all over the place. Um, well, like they're not wrong in the sense that like eventually the predators like become like crazed maniacs because they're whatever, right. They're poisoned by. By the, by the sheep, the whole, I don't know. It just like the tone of this movie was just confusing and it didn't feel like a kid's movie in a lot of situations or a lot of moments where I was like, like, I hope that my kids don't like ask me some questions because then I'm going to have to have some like uncomfortable conversations about this stuff would be motivated to ask a single question from this fucking
JVL00:54:42movie. It's so brain dead. Just like, you know, I, I doubt, I doubt. I doubt any of your kids the next morning could tell you the names of the two main characters.
Mike00:54:54No, they, they could. Um, but I will say my 11 year old, he even said, maybe I should come on your podcast because he had lots of critiques about how he said, he said there were, he said there were too many twists at the end and that they were, he said it just, it didn't feel like they were earned. And I was like, really?
JVL00:55:17What a twist.
Mike00:55:18Yeah. A twist. Another twist. Um, and he didn't like that the, he thought that there should have been more to lead, lead you to believe that the lion, JK Simmons, the mayor really was the bad guy. And he felt like he identified the, the, the, the land, the Jenny Slate character, like immediately as, as like the actual bad guy. And that was a twist. Anyway. So, um, there was a lot of, there was a lot of talk at the, at the dinner table about this movie. Um. But I don't know. I just, it's, it's like, I, I don't understand why, why this got a sequel except for the money.
JVL00:55:56I made $1 billion.
Mike00:55:58That's why I know that's why. But like, it's like, I have a theory. Yeah.
Sonny00:56:03It's a billion dollars.
Mike00:56:06Really interesting. But like, in terms of like this, I don't know, like it's just the cultural impact. It's, it's like nothing. It's, it's, it's a nothing. But, um, I do, I did really like the sloth stuff. Um, I thought that was very funny. Funny gag. It was a funny gag and it was very funny.
JVL00:56:24But that's the only thing anybody remembers from that movie. Well, you know what? There's a reason.
Sonny00:56:29It was a reason. The sloth has figured prominently in the trailers for Zootopia too.
JVL00:56:33Cause it's the only clever idea in the whole fucking movie.
Mike00:56:37It's pretty fun. It's I, I like that idea. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's fine. It's fine. Whatever. It's, it's just, it's like crap. It's like the sing.
JVL00:56:50It's like the sing movies. It's another talking animals in the real world. That's run entirely by animals and none of it makes any sense. And don't think too hard about it. Hey, here's a bunch of celebrity voices. Now you've gotten 70 minutes with your children on the weekend over with. That's why you paid the money.
Mike00:57:09Yeah. That's what the money's for.
Sonny00:57:12Um, I find the songs, it's got like the whole jukebox. It's a jukebox. Like it's, you know, it's, that's not a good thing, but, but, but there, no, no, no. Well, no, it's not. I mean, that, that's the, that's the weird thing. That's the weird thing about the sing movies to me.
JVL00:57:27I've always, I've always found them to be very weird because like you go, you go to
Sonny00:57:32an animated movie and you know, you get, let it go. Or you get a, or you get, I don't know, one of the Moana songs, right? You get a, you're welcome with the sing movies. It's just like, oh, I know those songs from the radio. So here's somebody else singing them.
JVL00:57:47Right.
Sonny00:57:47That's not that singer. I don't, I don't, I've always, I've always found that odd.
JVL00:57:51It's like a celebrity lip sync battle or something like, oh, this is interesting because that's a celebrity. I know singing a song that I also know. Ha.
Mike00:58:03It, it does make you think like maybe the AI slop isn't such a bad alternative. Um, like, like this is, if this is what the humans are coming up with, like really, um, the other thing I would say just in the con in the in the logic of this movie, like it's never addressed, like where are the birds, like you said this earlier, where the bugs, where the birds or the fish. Yeah. Like, oh, that's a good point. Where are the Marine mammals? Because the whole thing is right. It's like, it's all mammals. And another thing, are we to believe that this is on earth and that like the humans are all dead and like the, the mammals have sort of evolved to take the humans place, how are they mining the concrete that they use to build the buildings?
JVL00:58:50Well, you don't mind concrete, but yeah. Um, we got, um, you got to mind the rock that you turn into concrete, right?
Sonny00:58:58No, none of these get the marble from none of these
JVL00:59:02creatures have opposable thumbs. So it's a good question.
Mike00:59:10That's a good question.
JVL00:59:11Um, anyway, it's fine. How are they building the electronics? Like in the clean rooms, the, I assume in Zootopia somewhere, there's somebody who's building the cell phones that they all use. And that requires the use of little tiny pinchers to make like soldering, but they
Mike00:59:26don't have thumbs. Sonny has left. Sonny has left. It's just stupid.
JVL00:59:32It's just a stupid movie.
Mike00:59:34It is a dumb movie. Uh, okay. Any other final thoughts on Zootopia? That's a dumb movie. Go see the sequel. We'll, we'll all go see it. Won't we? What are you doing, Sonny?
Sonny00:59:46I'm plugging my, my, my, my. I just got an alert that said my phone is almost dead. And that's what the camera's running on. So.
Mike00:59:53All right. Well, this, uh, this podcast is almost dead. Uh, all right. Uh, thanks for listening. Join us over at subbeacon.com. Tell your friends and family, and we'll talk to you next time.
JVL01:00:10You know, the other thing, the parade had the K-pop demon hunters. Yeah. The singers. The singers.
Sonny01:00:16My, my daughter was very excited for this and she explained it. I was like, wait, these are the voices of the singers, not the actors. I was like, oh, good to know.
JVL01:00:24Good to know.
Mike01:00:25Yeah. Yeah. Sure. It's fine.
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