#312. 'The Lost Park: Jurassic World' (Peacock)
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The main event is a rewatch review of The Lost World: Jurassic Park (now streaming on Peacock), pegged to the box-office monster that is Jurassic World Rebirth ($148 million opening weekend). Sonny delivers the meatiest verdict: it's a bad movie with a nonsensical plot (the T-Rex-escapes-the-cargo-ship sequence gets torn apart in detail), but it's shot so beautifully by Spielberg that it papers over the stupidity, and he singles out Julianne Moore's and Vince Vaughn's characters as richly deserving the deaths they don't get, while praising Pete Postlethwaite's Muldoon-esque hunter as the film's moral center. JVL agrees it's a poor script but argues the two standout set pieces — the tall-grass raptor stalk and the T-Rex RV attack — are among the most striking images Spielberg ever shot, and the two of them debate whether the San Diego finale should have existed at all. Mike confesses deep nostalgic bias, having watched the film on VHS far more than the original as a kid, and shares fresh-adult-eyes discoveries from rewatching it with his wife, including Arliss Howard's Ludlow apparently being drunk throughout and a rabbit hole on Bob Peck, the original film's Muldoon, who died young at 53. Before any of that, the hosts spend a long opening stretch on tangents: Sonny's confession of a poker-Twitter doomscrolling addiction to bad-beat and "good laydown" videos, JVL's arrival of a new watch and his agonizing over which piece (probably his Fortis Roscosmos B52) to give away, a deep dive into Rolex counterfeit-parts culture and the secretive Rolex museum, and Mike recapping a family trip, a hail-damaged roof replacement, and driveway-repair dread, plus a shout-out to Kristen Soltis Anderson for filling in the previous week.
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JVL00:02:57I think it was literally, like, 70 more people and he was over the bubble.
Sonny00:03:01Yeah. Wow. Anyway, so I, but this is, these are, like, these are the feed, these are the videos that I find most infuriating and cannot bring myself to stop watching. Like, this is, this is the algorithm. Social media, in a nutshell. This is where the algorithm gets me. It's like, we got, we got your ass. You're gonna, you're gonna watch every single one of these bad beat videos. You're gonna watch every single one of these good lay down videos. And they're, they're not wrong. And, like, it really is, it's, it's, it, I mean, you guys remember the poker boom in 2000, 2001.
JVL00:03:37All because of an article in Harper's.
Sonny00:03:40I, I, I mean, there were, there were. Power magazines. Well, there were, there were, there were a couple reasons, but, like, the, you know, the, the TV, like, the, the idea of watching people play cards on TV is not interesting. Right? Until you have the technology where you can see the, the whole cards. And. On top of that, most importantly, you have a system by which people can enter, by which normal people, average poker players can enter the tournament and win. Right? This is the Chris Moneymaker effect. Yep. You know, the Chris Moneymaker effect. And, I, it, it really is, it really is, if you have played cards at all, it is impossible to look away from these fucking videos. I, like, I cannot, I cannot stop watching, you know, just. Guys getting hammered on the, just guys, like, losing to two outers on the river. Guys, there was this really great video today of Phil Hellmuth, who's, like, one of the legends of the game. He wrote one of the, one of the great books, one of the great beginner poker books, laying down Ace-King versus Kings before the flop. Like, he was, he, he sensed it coming, he laid it down.
JVL00:04:52So, what is a lay down? Can you explain that to me?
Sonny00:04:54He folded, he folded.
JVL00:04:55Okay.
Sonny00:04:56So, it's like, if you. If you, if you, if you fold when you're beat, it's a good lay down, right? It's like, that's, you know. And, obviously, you don't know that you're beat. And, he, like, he got out without losing any, any money. Like, it's, it's, like, supernatural. It's supernatural. Right, right, right, right, right.
JVL00:05:14So, he had Ace-King, and, which is strong. Ace-King is. He felt it somehow.
Sonny00:05:19Ace-King is, by some measures, the third best hand in, the third best whole hand. You can, you can beat him.
JVL00:05:27Right, it's Aces, then Ace-King suited, then Ace-King.
Sonny00:05:31It's, it's Aces, then Kings, then Ace-King. Okay. I mean, arguably, Ace-King is better than Queens. Ace-King suited is better than Queens. It depends on, you know. Sure. If you, if you get, if you go all in Ace-King versus Queens, Ace-King suited versus Queens, I think it's, like, you're only, like, a 52-48 dog or something like that.
JVL00:05:49Right.
Sonny00:05:50Anyway. Anyway. So, how did he sense it? So, this is, this is, so, this is how. This is how I, like, every time I go on, so, I have to, I, this is, like, the easiest, this is actually, I bring this up because this is, like, the way to actually make me stop being on social media. It's because I have to turn it off, because if I don't, I will just spend a fucking hour watching these things. Like, I'm trying to write, I'm trying to sit here and write, I'm trying to, like, edit my various podcasts, and I'm just, like, what's going on on Twitter? Oh, oh, oh, that's a good hand. Oh, no, what's that? Oh, why would he go, oh, no, the river, it screwed him again. Yeah, just, like, every, it's, it's, it's. It's a, it's a suck, it's a time suck.
Mike00:06:28Do you find that it's the, it's the bad hands or the bad plays. Oh, yeah. That are, that are more intriguing to watch?
Sonny00:06:37Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it's. It's the train wreck, right?
Mike00:06:39Yeah, it's the train, you're rubbernecking.
Sonny00:06:40You're being, you're being, you, because you put yourself in the position of the good player who has gotten in with all of his money, and he's got, he's the massive advantage. You're like, of course this is me, this is me. Of course I lose on the river to the idiot who's drawing dead, more or less, not quite dead. He's got two outs. And he hits me, or he gets runner, runner on the, the turn in the river. And, uh, of course I'm probably more often than not the idiot, uh, in this situation drawing out on the guy. But like, it's, uh.
Mike00:07:08But, but like social media, it's, all social media videos, it's like, uh, there's, it's wish fulfillment. It's a little fantasy. Yeah. Aspirational. There you go.
Sonny00:07:16Um. Anyway. So that's how I've been, that's how I've been spending my day so far, has been avoiding social media as best as I can.
Mike00:07:23This is, this is kind of a cry for help, this little dude's chin.
Sonny00:07:26It really. It really is, man. Somebody, you know.
Mike00:07:29Does it make you want to play?
Sonny00:07:32Yes and no. Um. It makes, it makes me want to play in the general sense, but it does not make me want to like actually go someplace and play. Right, right. You know. I, online poker was great. I mean, online poker was terrible and it's probably for the best that people can't gamble online. But online poker was great because if you were just like a casual gamer like me and you had any, if you had a modicum of. Self-control, you could just go and play $10, $5, $10, $20 sit and go games, which is basically a one table tournament. You sit down, you pay your five bucks plus 50 cents to the, to the bank and the winner gets 50% loser, winner, winner gets 50%, second place gets 30%, third place gets 20%. And there are so many very, very bad players and there are so many people playing so many games at once, like trying to go all in very early to win that if you just sat there and played, if you just. If you just hanging around, hanging around, like you could, you can, you can make a ton of money. I like, not a ton of money, but you can make a very solid amount of money and, and, you know, have fun if that's your idea of fun. I really enjoyed it. But again, I think it's actually probably, it's probably for the best that that is not an option for folks.
Mike00:08:51I'd have to agree with that. All right. Well, um. I hope you can, I hope you can break out of your, uh, your doom scrolling through poker Twitter.
Sonny00:09:01I'm going to, I'm going to have to start blocking accounts, which I really don't want to do because I enjoy, I enjoy poker. I like poker, but man, it's, it's bad.
Mike00:09:08You can't, you can't live in Vegas, you know, you can't, uh, you can't do all that. All right. JVL, what, uh, what's going on with you?
JVL00:09:15It's watch day. Watch day. From one obsession to another. I have a watch being delivered today. Tell us very, very excited. No, I don't want to bore you. I just, this is what I'm, I have one ear on the, uh, one year on the, the front door to listen for the doorbell for the, uh, leave this podcast. If the, if the watch comes, no, somebody else I will, I will make damn sure somebody else who is in the house right now goes and signs for it. But I am, I, I had a big life event last week and, uh, by total coincidence. That day I found somebody selling a watch that I wanted for a decade at a very fair price. And, uh, and so I didn't think, didn't blink, made it happen.
Sonny00:10:10How many, how many watches are you up to now?
JVL00:10:13I, I have now ticked over to the point where I need to do one in one out. So I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to offload something.
Sonny00:10:23You're going to have to start selling.
JVL00:10:26I don't think I want to sell. I think I want to give, I think I want to be a giver, not a seller. Uh, so I, and I think the, the watch that I need to, the watch, which is going to leave the collection is probably going to be my Fortis Roscosmos B52, um, which is the, the Russian cosmonaut watch. So I don't know, I don't know where that is going to go. I don't know who, who in my life really should have this, but that's, that's what I'm praying about. Question, question.
Mike00:10:57If you need to get rid of it, but you, but not for the purposes of selling it so that you can feed your addiction, I mean, your, your interest, uh, in this, uh, why, so what, what is the reason you need to get rid of it? It's just, you get, have too many, just too many and it won't get any risk time.
JVL00:11:14It won't get any risk. What is the, what is the point of having a really cool watch? Cause it's a cool, I mean, now there's a reason I bought this thing. The Fortis, the Fortis is fantastic. Um, but you know, like, uh, we had our, you know, it's like you, you meet somebody and you're really good friends for a time in college and then they move away or you change job and you grow apart and it's, that's okay. Sure. You were part of each other's story. You don't have to be friends for forever. You can, you know, and so the Fortis was part of my story and I loved it and I appreciated it. Um, but I want somebody else to have this really cool watch. Like it, it, it makes me a little sad to have a watch. That like I could go an entire year without putting on my wrist, but that, that also puts it into perspective.
Sonny00:12:02It's like, it's not fair to the watch. It's not fair.
JVL00:12:04It's like, it's a really cool watch and somebody, somebody could really enjoy it. Like somebody who I know and I'm friends with and who I love, uh, could have that on their wrist and could, could really love it. Isn't that what these things are for?
Sonny00:12:18Do you have a, a watch display case box? Do you have like a little, like a little cubby hole box? Mm-Hmm that you put your watches and their boxes in not their boxes.
JVL00:12:31I mean, the boxes all get kept separately. I do have a display box. Uh, I have.
Sonny00:12:40Do they have little pillows? Do the watches go on the pillows and then you put it in the, why do you keep the boxes separate?
JVL00:12:48Well, I mean the boxes for the watches are huge for the most part, right? Like the boxes for a watch are generally the size of like a shoe box and they're
Mike00:12:55not for, they're not for display. Like there's nothing, there's nothing.
JVL00:12:59No, the, the boxes are really there as part of a way of cutting down on counterfeiting. And because like, then you have to both counterfeit both the watch and the box. And, and then you have to counterfeit the papers and all the stuff, the hang tag and all the things that go into a new authentic watch. So the, the boxes are really just additional layers of authentication.
Guest00:13:23All right.
JVL00:13:24Which is why if you are unscrupulous. And you get, uh, you for say, buy a Rolex, you can sell just the box for the Rolex. You can sell just the hang tag for the Rolex. You could sell just the papers, the pictograph card for the Rolex. Why would somebody buy those things? Uh, because they're counterfeiters and they're going to use them to try to pass them off as, as genuine. This is, uh, here's a lot of degeneracy going on.
Sonny00:13:55I want to ask a ethical question here. This, cause this is an ethical dilemma, right? You say, if you are unscrupulous, you can sell these things, but the scruples really are on the counterfeiter, right? Like if you have a thing and you sell it, I want to sell this box. I want to sell this box that I can't use. It has no, has no use for me.
JVL00:14:17Okay.
Sonny00:14:18How can you, why are you responsible for how it is used?
JVL00:14:21Well, I mean, there's only one thing that it could be used
Sonny00:14:25for what if somebody wanted to replace a lost Rolex box?
JVL00:14:30Yeah, that's not, that is not a thing that has ever happened in the history of the world. Right?
Sonny00:14:34I mean, this is, are they, are they match is the box match to the watch?
JVL00:14:37Do they, is it like the same serial number or no, the, the, the cards are matched to the watch, um, but the boxes that had tags hang tags really go through generations. And so you can know like, oh, this box is from roughly 2017 through 2019. Cause that's when they used. This box, uh, the hang tag, the, which is the little thing that hangs off the watch when it's sitting in the box. Those are, for instance, Rolex redid those within the last couple of years. And so, you know, depending on how you want to take it, but the thing is Rolex is totally different from every other kind of watch in the level of counterfeiting. Right? I mean, Rolex is the kind of thing where I love buying used watches. I almost always buy used watches. I, I encourage people to buy used watches. The only thing I would tell you is never, ever, ever, ever, ever buy a used Rolex. Never, not from anybody. Yeah. Um, because the market for counterfeit is so big and so robust that you might get a Rolex, which is 98% real, but, uh, somebody so, so as a, for instance, I have a genuine Rolex, I sell it to you, a dealer, you take that. Then you may take out one of the links on the bracelet because you can sell that link for $260. You may open it up and swap out a genuine hairspring and put in a third party hairspring. Pop the case back on. You can then sell that hairspring for $300. Right. And you have no idea when you're buying a used Rolex, what has been done to it and what inside it is. It is genuine and what isn't.
Sonny00:16:27Got it. So I had, I, I, I, that makes sense to me. Cause I mean, every, like I had a fake Rolex when I was, it is its own economy.
JVL00:16:35Yeah. Like Rolex counterfeit is an entire economy all on its own. And it go accounts for everything from like obvious fakes to super clones to Franken watches, where some percentage, it might even be a very high percentage of it is real, but other person not because it had been stripped for parts and had substitute parts put into it.
Mike00:16:54So why. Hasn't that, and I might already know the answer to this question, uh, as I'm asking it, but why hasn't that devalued the brand of Rolex? Oh, exactly the opposite. Michael. Right.
JVL00:17:07I, I thought of it as I was asked the value, right? Because it puts ultra premium on the new versions of Rolex. Right.
Mike00:17:17And how, how do we know the Rolex corporation isn't behind the explosion of its counterfeit market?
JVL00:17:25I mean, we don't, but I don't think they are the role. The Rolex corporation is a fascinating company. It's unbelievably closely held. Most watches are parts of conglomerates. I mean, there's, there's the swatch group. There's the LVMH group. Um, and the Rolex is just Rolex and they also own one sub-brand tutor. And Rolex does everything in secret and they are so crazy. So they have a museum, a Rolex. The Rolex museum where they keep not only like, you know, everything they've ever done, but all sorts of notable Rolexes that they will go out and acquire when they come up for auction. So like, you know, uh, a Rolex that JFK wore once or something, they'll go and buy that, not showing that it's them, who's buying it, you know, like through they'll use a third party to buy it to then have, and keep it. And what do they do with this museum? They keep it in fucking secret. It's like underground somewhere in Switzerland. They're not allowed into it. They just want to keep it. And like, I think one outside journalist has ever been allowed into the museum and they literally, they put a black bag on his head and they drove him in circles for five hours before taking him to it.
Sonny00:18:40So what you're saying is the next oceans movie is about robbing the Rolex.
JVL00:18:45It would be amazing. It would be, uh, the Rolex bank, the Rolex museum, you can't even find it, right? You know, you, nobody even knows where the damn thing is. Yeah. Well, it's a very interesting company.
Sonny00:18:54That's actually a great idea. That is a great idea. I was just like, yeah, roll that down, Sonny, uh, vault heist movie.
JVL00:19:02So, uh, what are you, what are you guys up to?
Mike00:19:05Um, so I want to thank, uh, Kristen Soltis Anderson for filling in for me last week. Um, I'll admit I haven't listened to the show yet, but, uh, I have no doubt, uh, that she not only did, uh, a serviceable job, but probably so much better, uh, than, than when I was, uh, than if I had been there and certainly than if I had been there for F1, which, um, it seems right up her alley. So, uh, I was on vacation with my family. We're just visiting my parents, uh, uh, down at the lake and, uh, nothing really of note there. But while we were gone, we, I don't think, have I talked about my, my roof? I don't think I have on the show. Um, but my, uh, uh, while we were gone, my roof was replaced. And I have to say that there is, there are a certain class of purchases that, that one makes in, in, in one's life where like, it's a big purchase. It's a lot of money in this case, actually, thankfully we had, um, homeowner's insurance, uh, ended up paying for a lot of it because of hail damage. Hail damage. Oh, I had that happen once. Oh yeah.
JVL00:20:24Greatest. The storm. Tracers. Do they come to your neighborhood and just go around?
Mike00:20:27And I, I, I'd rather not reveal how, how, in what order things were, were done in needless to say, uh, my, my terrific insurance company paid for it for most of it. Not all of it. Um, and, uh, but it's, it's one of these purchases. It's, it's big, you know, it's a big deal. Like we've been talking about it for a couple of years. Do, do we need to get this done and all these things? And I, I had to laugh when I got. Like a note, uh, from the company after it was done saying, here's, here's the thing. Um, once you see it and, and agree that the work has been done to your satisfaction, it's like, and enjoy your roof, which is like something that I will never do. How do you can't enjoy their bits?
JVL00:21:14Well, are they, are they an upgraded quality of shingles? Do you have the HD shingles? I don't know what I, I can't remember what I'm talking to a roofer here. I see really clear definition on the roof. Does it look like the shingles have a lot of texture to them? Yes, it does. Did the old ones look just sort of like flat and you know, they were, they were, they were nicer.
Mike00:21:40They like, they were, they were architectural, um, uh, shingles in, in, in, in the first place. Um, but they were like 15 years old, so they were kind of sad and sagging and certain water stains and all that stuff. So everything looks nice. Sir, but it's, uh, it's also, it's the kind of thing where like we pulled in, in front of the house when we got back from our week long and it's like, oh yeah, our roof looks new. That's nice. And then change colors. No. Uh, yes, I did change color. So it was before it was like this kind of like almost reddish color, red, brown, quite ugly, like a red, brown. And now it's, it's gray. It's, and it's much better. Um, and they also replaced the, the mesh, not like. The metal mesh guards over the, over the gutters. So, um, the big thing that I'm hoping for is that, uh, this will help bring down, uh, energy costs. So we'll, we'll lose a little less, um, a little less heat out of the insulation. Uh, they, uh, there's some, there's some kind of added, uh, Oh, what is it called? Uh, now I can't, now I can't remember it's it's the membrane, but it's not, it's not paper. It's like a, it's like. It's like a different material. Yeah.
JVL00:22:56It's, it's, it's like a Tyvek, right? Is something like that? Yeah. That's the DuPont Brown advert. Yeah. That's not going to save you anything on energy.
Mike00:23:03It's not, it's not, but it's not DuPont. It's like a, it's like a, um, it's not Tyvek. It's, it's something else. Anyway, who knows, but like the roof was like old enough that, and, and the vents needed, you know, like all of the venting needs replacement.
JVL00:23:16So hopefully it's, it's ridge vent, got a ridge vent on working on that. Uh, yeah, yeah, so anyway.
Mike00:23:24So it's, it's, it's sort of this and the watch I'm all I'm, I'm, I'm pressing all the buttons for you. Um, but it's kind of like, like a new driveway, you know, which we also need to do at some points. Like I'm never going to enjoy a new driveway. Like these are just, they're, they're big expenses and they're even things that you can see, but there's just no, like, what am I getting out of it? I'm just buying time until I have to, until I or somebody will have to replace it again. Like that's just, that's all it is. And it's just, it's, it's fine. It's just, it's the worst.
JVL00:23:59It's the worst. Someday I'm going to have to replace our driveway. Like I, I, I now look at every single crack at it and our driveway is enormous. I can't, I don't even want to know how much it's going to cost.
Mike00:24:11It's insane. We had this, um, this group of like talk about sketchy. It was like this, this group of this like pair of Irish brothers come around. Travelers. No, I said brothers. I said, brothers come around there from Ireland.
Sonny00:24:24I can read between the lines here. You got, you got Brad Pitt over there on the corner. Like I said, yeah, that's all right. Yeah, I could understand.
Mike00:24:32They weren't pikes, they were Irish and, uh, but they like, when it came around the neighborhood a couple of years ago and, uh, they, they offered a bunch of quotes to me and all my neighbors for the, for the, for the driveway. And, and we didn't take them up on it, even though we kind of needed one. Um, but our neighbors did and it's insane. It's an insane amount of money to get a new driveway. It's nuts. So anyway, it's these, these kind of purchases suck. Um, and, but you know, that's, that's what it is.
JVL00:25:00Well, I'm happy that I won't have to do that while I'm paying for college for the next 16 years. Oh, so that'll be great. Yeah. Hmm.
Mike00:25:08Yeah.
Sonny00:25:09Roofs man. All right.
Mike00:25:10So let's let it box office. Let's let's talk about the, uh, the box office because, uh, the movie that we are discussing is in, is in the franchise of the number one box office, uh, movie this past weekend, Jurassic world rebirth, uh, in its first week, uh, in its first weekend, total gross 140, almost $148 million. Number one at the box office, uh, knocking off F one, um, how to train your dragon. Number two, I mean, Jurassic world rebirth is, uh, is a monster. It's, it's huge. It's, it's making all this money.
JVL00:25:51What, what do we make of this? Is this. It's the first time that a franchise has been rebooted twice. Spiderman. Yeah, that's a good, yep. Okay. Yeah. Spiderman. And we wouldn't count James Bond, I mean, you could say James Bond, but I mean, that's very rarefied air in terms of intellectual property, right? I mean, this puts drastic part with two of the biggest pieces of intellectual property.
Sonny00:26:17Though, technically these aren't reboots, they all exist in the same universe of the first Jurassic Park. They're soft reboots. They're soft reboots. So I, like, I, the Jurassic series is kind of fascinating because it is totally, it is, it is a perfect killing machine of sorts because it, like, it, these things make money. These things make, remember, do you remember when Jurassic World came out? Jurassic World came out in 2015.
JVL00:26:52We thought nobody needed to see that movie.
Sonny00:26:54It was, it looked terrible. I saw it. I reviewed it. I was like, this is bad. It's not, it's not good or it, like, it, it has some, it has some charms, but it's not a good movie. It, like, makes no sense. The plot is ridiculous.
JVL00:27:07One of the 10 highest grossing movies of all time, I believe.
Sonny00:27:10And the opening weekend, the opening weekend, you know, the numbers start coming in and it's like $150 million opening weekend. Oh, now it's $170 million opening weekend and it kept going. I want to say it ended up at two. I, uh, Michael, can you look up what the original Jurassic world grossed in its first weekend? I don't want to type cause I'm on my Mac book.
Mike00:27:33Yeah. Yeah.
Sonny00:27:35I'll wait for this. I don't want to, I don't want to like make huge noise. Anyway, I want to say it ended up at like $250 million or something insane. Like just, it just like kept the number kept going up all weekend. And that is how that is like basically how I have experienced every iteration of this franchise, particularly the Jurassic world. Part of it.
Mike00:27:55Uh, it was something like two, uh, 208, 208 million. Yeah.
Sonny00:28:00So like, again, it started, again, it started like people were like, oh, it's going to make a hundred million dollars. And it was like, oh, it's gonna make $150 million. And it just like kept going, kept going up and up. Uh, and we can charge whatever they want and people will be like all the rest of the Jurassic worlds, man. They like you it's critically, critically mixed would be a nice way to put it. I think it's mostly, mostly. Um, uh, and yet audiences, audiences can't get enough of giant dinosaurs and like it. I get it. It's a monster movie. It's done reasonably well.
Mike00:28:39It's you know, it's, it's feeding off of everybody's goodwill toward the very first movie. Like that is, that can, I mean, it, it, it, it succeeds in doing as well as it does. It's more than any other like monster movie or, or action movie because of that.
Sonny00:28:59Right. And this is, and this is to get to JBL's point. This is, this is, I think what you can't actually reboot the series. You can't reboot the series fully and be like, all right, we're doing Jurassic park over again. Yeah. Because like Jurassic park is Jurassic park is one of the great summer entertainments ever made. I won't say it's the best movie ever made, but it like, you know, Steven Spielberg. He makes Jurassic park and Schindler's list in the same year. And that's the best year. Any director has ever had. I like, I like, I'm sorry.
JVL00:29:30May I offer a direct comparison? Sure. Go ahead. JBL Jaws.
Sonny00:29:35Yeah.
JVL00:29:36It is like Jaws. Jaws is a perfect summer movie. In fact, it is the first blockbuster movie, the first movie ever to go wide and succeed the way it did, uh, it's spawned eight sequels, something like that, uh, in, in addition to an entire universe of imitators, um, it, it reinvented the monster genre.
Sonny00:30:00Uh, it was of which Jurassic park is, of which is part of right.
JVL00:30:06Same director.
Mike00:30:07Um, it, uh, there's even Jaws is even in Jurassic park as we all know, have you, have you seen that? Where that's what Dennis Nedry is watching on his computer at one.
JVL00:30:16Oh, is he?
Mike00:30:17Yes. Have you never seen that? There's like a little tiny clip of, he's watching Jaws on his computer when John Hammond's yelling at him.
JVL00:30:22That's funny. Yeah. Um, there, there is, uh, no reliance on stars. Right. And instead of stars, it's just packaged with like good, but semi-familiar actors, but non actual movie stars. Uh, and they, they do soft reboots, but you can't do a full reboot because it needs to exist in the universe of the perfect first. Yeah.
Sonny00:30:48Yeah. No, I mean, that's, that's basically right. And that's, that's what this movie and like, again, uh, I don't think it's very good. Um, but none of the sequels have been very good and they are all enormously successful and like what I, you know, say what you will about universal and Jurassic X, Jurassic park, Jurassic world. One thing they understand is that you do one of these movies every four years. You don't do it. You don't do, you don't, you don't do, uh, don't do a Star Wars Jurassic park movies in a year. Yup. You know, you can have a, you can have a Netflix kids animated series that kind of accompanies it, but you, you don't do, you don't do the, the Marvel thing. And because that, because of that, every four years, people are like, Oh yeah, it's very disciplined. I like those. Good for them.
JVL00:31:34Yeah. Totally. Bob Iger could not show that level of discipline.
Sonny00:31:39If you, if you, if Bob Iger were in charge of universal, there would be like, there would be a time travel Jurassic park movie by now and, and you know, multiverse Jurassic Jurassic holds.
Mike00:31:54Yes. Yeah.
Sonny00:31:56The multi dollar sign at the end there.
Mike00:31:59We discovered a portal on Isla Nubar that, uh, takes turns out in gen was also working
Sonny00:32:05on multiverse.
Mike00:32:08What kind of dinosaurs did they have an earth 27 G who knows you, you are possibly willing this into existence by talking about it. And I want you to stop.
Sonny00:32:19Could you, could you imagine, I, I don't know, I don't know that it would be worse necessarily than this, but it, you know, I have a question though.
JVL00:32:26Do you, what do you guys make of the competence of the franchise? Because I, none of the movies are garbage there. I would argue that they're all vaguely competent, not good, but that part of the reason they succeed is because no, none of the entries. Yeah. Are insulting. Now I don't like any of the sequels. I think they're all bad, but they're not insulting bad. None of them gets to like how bad some of the Joe, none of them gets to is what you're saying
Mike00:33:06is none of them gets to somehow Palpatine returned moments.
Sonny00:33:11They all have that. No, they all have that.
JVL00:33:13No, no. I wouldn't do that. Okay.
Sonny00:33:16I mean, I was going to say, cause cause somehow, somehow the T-Rex returned the, the, no, I would say. I think, I think this is, I think this is basically right. At least in the sense that each of the movies has a signature action sequence that you can point to and remember and think like, okay, that's so like Jurassic. I still haven't seen Jurassic park three, so I can't comment on that. But I've never seen it. I should watch it.
JVL00:33:42It's only only Jurassic park, right?
Sonny00:33:44It's and William H. Macy, right?
Mike00:33:46Right. Yeah. It's only like Jerry Lundegaard. It's the Jerry Lundegaard.
JVL00:33:50Somebody, somebody interesting directed it. I'll go ahead. I'll go. Joe Johnston did. Was it Joe Johnston? Yes.
?00:33:57Yeah.
Sonny00:33:58Uh, anyway, um, did not like that. Uh, but no, every day, like Jurassic world has the, the like first big breakout of the dinosaur sequence where like you had the pterodactyl swooping in on the people running and, uh, or the, the, uh, Jurassic world. What's the, the second one Jurassic world is fallen kingdom. I think, um, that has see that one that has the like haunted house. Yeah. Uh, Raptors through the house sequence, which is really well done. It's really, it's really very solid. The third one is the worst is the worst entry in the series. But even that one has like the, that, that one has like the dinosaur bazaar. Remember that? Do you remember there? They like go to an African, they go to like a dinosaur bazaar in Madagascar or someplace and like, like it's, it's clever and it's, it's not. And the, and the new one has, the new one has a couple of very good sequences. It has a couple of sequences that are like, okay, this is a fun movie here somewhere hidden in the rest of everything else.
JVL00:34:59Um, and that's what the lost world is. Yeah. Lost world is two dynamite sequences in a mountain of mediocrity.
Mike00:35:10So should we move on and, and, and discuss this movie, which we are discussing today anyway? Uh, Sonny, do you want to give us a, uh, a big boy review of the lost world colon Jurassic park?
Sonny00:35:23Jurassic park, Colin, the lost world title. Somebody yelled at me in the comments about that. And that's, that's for you, buddy, that's, that's what I'm calling this movie. Jurassic park, the lost world, um, uh, Jurassic park, the lost world reunites the audiences with Dr. Ian Malcolm, who of course famously died in the book. You remember the, in the book he dies and, uh, the, the movie's an enormous hit. Everybody loves Jeff Goldblum. So Michael Crichton is like somehow Ian Malcolm has returned. That's, that's the, that's in the, in the lost world.
JVL00:36:01Um, uh, anyway, uh, John Hammond, John Hammond, may I submit just briefly as an aside that happens purely on the force of Jeff Goldblum's performance. If you have another actor in there and he's just not Jeff Goldblum, that character dies and nobody cares.
Sonny00:36:20Yep. Who, who were we talking about? Uh, saying that it would be better if the role was played by Nick Cage because it would be interesting. It was a movie we did just recently, like where the, we were talking about how the lead. Anyway, he has that energy. He brings that like kind of weird energy to Ian Malcolm, where if you had weird line readings, if you had a Chris Evans in that role, it does not have the same oomph. Right? Yep. Anyway, uh, Ian Malcolm has returned and John Hammond wants to send him to. Isla Sorna, which is close to Isla Nubar, which is where of course the dinosaur shenanigans happened. He is to meet up with, uh, Julianne Moore, who I'm just going to use actor names here. I don't care about any character names really. Aside from Dr. Ian Malcolm, he is there to meet up with Julianne Moore and Vince Vaughn and Richard Schiff, uh, to look at this lost world that has evolved its own eco dino system before. Evil people who have taken over in gen, including John Hammond's nephew, nephew, nephew Howard comes and, uh, and comes and captures the dinosaurs to bring them to San Diego where they're going to have a sit. They're going to have a zoo. They're gonna have a dinosaur zoo in the middle of San Diego. What could go wrong? What could go? You, you, every, all of the people died at the first drastic part, we'll just put a bunch in San Diego. Um, uh, needless to say, uh, once, uh, once everybody gets to the island, bad things happen. Uh, I wanna, I wanna, uh, and then they do get to San Diego and more bad things happen. I wanna, I wanna highlight a couple of things about this movie. Um, first and foremost being, uh, that it is a Steven Spielberg movie, which means that even though the lost world is a bad film, it's bad movie, bad movie, bad story. Set that aside. It's a Steven Spielberg movie, which means that it looks better than 90% of movies ever made. Like he, like Steven, Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg just understands how cameras move and how to frame shots and how to use lighting in a way that it's like, oh yeah, this is pretty good. Even when your brain is like, this is fucking ridiculous. This whole movie is stupid. This whole movie is the dumbest movie. Um, uh, one of the reasons I have always hated this film is because. No character in a Jurassic park movie has ever deserved to die more than Julianne Moore's character in this movie, Julianne Moore and Vince Vaughn, both really. Julianne Moore and Vince Vaughn's characters in this movie deserve to die and they deserve to die because they're so irredeemably stupid, irredeemably incandescently stupid. You have a screaming baby T-Rex you, you Julianne Moore, the fucking Jane Goodall of carnivorous animals in Africa. You have a screaming baby, uh, T-Rex. You've spent the whole movie arguing that T-Rex is our loving parents, that they will do anything for their children. You bring it back to your trailer to try and fix its leg, which is on the edge of a cliff, which is on the edge of a cliff and, and you end up getting everybody, almost everybody in your group killed. You end up getting Richard Schiff actually killed. You know, there was a, there was a whole discourse in 2015 about whether or not Jurassic world was too mean to that assistant. Do you remember this? Do you remember this? People, people like there was an assistant character in this movie who died, who like got thrown up in the air and tossed around. And people were like, Oh, it's so sexist. It's so sexist. They would never do this to a male character. Richard Schiff goes out there is like heartless or, uh, I'm sorry, is, uh, is, is selfless. He goes out there to save, uh, the people that he has come with. And he ends up getting ripped in half by two T-Rex's because this idiot woman and this idiot earth first activist brought a crying T-Rex back to their trailer. I wish both of them had died. I wish both of them had died in this movie. Unfortunately they did not. The best character in the film, aside from Jeff Goldblum, Dr. Ian Malcolm is of course
JVL00:40:28Pete Possilway who plays the Muldoon who plays our replacement for Muldoon.
Sonny00:40:33Exactly. He plays the Muldoon stand in and at first it's the one interesting thing that the movie does because at first he is like the heartless big game hunter. He's like, I'm just here to, I'm going to do it. Collect my fee. Collect my fee. I'm just here to hunt the biggest game, but he's not, and he is, he is there, but he's also, he like, he is more human than most of the humans there, right?
Mike00:40:57He is, he is certainly more respectful of the animals than the many of the others in terms of he, he understands their, why they should be feared and he, and he, and he spends
Sonny00:41:10most of the movie trying to help people not die on this, on this journey, on this expedition. Uh, and I, I like it's, it's, it's a great performance by Possilway RIP. He's, he's wonderful in it, but it's also just, again, it's the one interesting thing that David kept the screenwriter does in this movie is take a guy who should be kind of a stock villain, you know, big, big game Hunter, you know, the, the, uh, that character and make him more interesting and make him more relatable.
Mike00:41:42Um, and he may make him a moral voice in, in, in a weird way, in the, in, in a way that's more interesting than say, yeah. Vince Vaughn's character.
Sonny00:41:53Yeah. But I, I don't think we are supposed to necessarily take him as the moral voice, but he is, I, I think I look again, I, I, I hate to do the, the villain is the real good guy stick, but like he is the, he's the, he is, he's absolutely the, the most interesting and most moral character in the film. Um, but yeah, the, the, I mean, again, what the problem with this movie is that nothing in it makes any sense. Even the stuff that looks really great and is executed at a very high level doesn't make any sense. I just want to highlight one last thing on this front and then I'll stop the boat crashing into the dock.
JVL00:42:30Okay.
Sonny00:42:31So, so in this, in the, in like in what kicks off the last 30 minutes or so of the movie, uh, we learned that the T-Rex has been drugged, has been put on a ship and is speeding toward the Harbor. Okay. And when the Harbor comes and when the ship comes into the Harbor, it smashes into the Harbor at full flank speed because everybody on the ship has been killed. And you, you see this because you see hands on the wheels, you know, hands attached to nothing else on the wheels and body parts kind of strewn about great Spielbergian image,
Mike00:43:01by the way.
Sonny00:43:02Great. Great Spielbergian image. The problem is this makes no sense at all because the T-Rex has been trapped in the hold the entire time. Hmm. Does it, who did all the killing? Who did it?
JVL00:43:16It was the T-Rex ninja.
Sonny00:43:18Yeah. So the, the, so the, the arguments that we are, I guess, supposed to believe is that the T-Rex escaped, killed everybody on the
JVL00:43:27ship. And knew that because he's got those little arms, he can't steer the ship. So what he's got to do is set it up so that other people will think the ship has run amok so that it can crash and then he can break out.
Sonny00:43:40He put the ship on autopilot, I guess. Do ships have autopilot? I assume they must. Oh, sure. Ships of that size must. Uh, and got back in the hold and was like, I will be safest here. Oh, wait. I mean, it doesn't.
JVL00:43:53A lion wait.
Sonny00:43:54It doesn't. It like, it makes so little sense. If you think about it for literally 10 seconds, there's nothing, nothing about this makes any sense, including the, the bit where the dinosaur is released because we see that one of the, one of the dismembered hands is holding down the button that keeps the hold closed. And one of the idiot InGen guys is like, oh, what's this hand? I better take it up. And Dr. Ian Malcolm's like, no, don't touch that. And then the dinosaur just breaks out. How did that, how did any of this happen? How did any of this happen?
JVL00:44:25Who designed the hold that's going to see to be a button that you have to keep pressing in order to keep it closed that just as a systems design, it seems like it should be the opposite. We're in order to open the thing containing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. You've got to have like guys turning two separate keys.
Sonny00:44:42I don't, uh, yeah.
JVL00:44:44Like on Crimson tide it's yeah, but it should not be the like, well, if you take your finger off the button, then the monster comes out. That's bad systems design.
Sonny00:44:54You're the Tyrannosaur door guy. All you have to do is hold this button. You get, we'll pay you a hundred thousand dollars a year. You just hold the Tyrannosaur door button. Anyway. Uh, and I, I don't like to be a plot nitpick guy. I like, I don't, I don't like to be the CinemaSins guy.
JVL00:45:14Give us, but you can solve this with one shot showing a velociraptor sneaking off of the boat after it crashes that nobody else sees, right? Nobody else sees the Velociraptor, but you say, oh, there was a Raptor that snuck onto the boat.
Mike00:45:31Well, I believe all the people, I believe an early draft of the script. I read this somewhere had Velociraptors on the ship as well.
Sonny00:45:39See that, that would make, that makes a million, makes, makes a million, eh, whatever. Anyway, the, the long and the short of it is everything that happens in this movie happens for the dumbest reason imaginable. And, and all of that is intrinsically tied up into the great set pieces of the movie, which makes them hard to separate. Like it's one thing if you have, it's one thing, if you're doing a thing that's dumb and it still is like fun, yeah, separately. It's another thing. If like the dumb thing is supposed to be the fun thing. That's I think what makes my brain again, I, I, I hate to be the, the CinemaSins guy. That's like not my ballywick at all, but I just like watching this movie. I was annoyed all over again at it.
JVL00:46:21I, I have a question for both of you, which is should San Diego even happen? No, because my, my view of the movie has always been that San Diego is a mistake just as a structural point and the movie should end with them getting off of the island. And then going to San Diego, it just doesn't make sense unless the, the answer was we needed another set piece.
Mike00:46:51Well, wasn't the, I'm in total agreement with you, JVL. Wasn't the whole point of the San Diego set piece is that Spielberg wanted to do it.
Sonny00:47:03And like that, maybe it's just not in the book, Spielberg, Spielberg wanted dinosaurs in a city. That's what he like. That's what he wanted.
Mike00:47:11Right. And, and there was talk that this was sort of like, uh, oh, you're going to have a Godzilla movie in a couple of years. Like here's my Godzilla movie. It'll be better than yours, which fair enough.
JVL00:47:21Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. But it's, this is like the rare, like Spielberg category error where I think like he just envisions a thing as part of the structure of the movie, which is a mistake and which shouldn't be there. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's a terrible movie in all of those ways. And yet, uh, it's got two of the most arresting images that I've ever seen in, in, on a movie screen. And one is the crane shot, looking down at the tall grass as the Raptors are cutting their way to them, which is, I mean, it's just, it's such a good shot. It's great. Good visual storytelling and the, uh, the, the T-Rex attack on the RVs is shot so well, like you, you feel the tech, it is as good in terms of geography and storytelling. And making you understand, making the tension arise from the fact that you understand very clearly what's going on as the original T-Rex attack. Um, and that visual image of, uh, Julianne Moore, like on the, the window screen as the, the spidery cracks start, I mean, it's just fucking fantastic and you, you find yourself being like, how do these things exist in the same world as the 13 year old girl doing gymnastics velociraptor? Yeah.
Mike00:48:53I thought you were going to say that was the third great set.
JVL00:48:56No, you don't think it's, it's like a hook in that the highest high, the Delta between the highest highs and lowest lows are so big. Yeah. Oh man. Come on.
?00:49:07Absolutely.
Mike00:49:08Um, well, so, okay, so I'm going to admit something here. Um, I have seen the lost world colon Jurassic park. Probably. Four times as many times as I've seen the original Jurassic park and the reason it's
JVL00:49:27like you had the video as a kid, 100%.
Mike00:49:31It's because we had the, we had it on VHS and I was texting my brother about this. I was like, we watched it all the time. He was like, yes, we watched it all the time. All the time. Like, like there were probably summers where we watched it once a week for the entire summer. We watched it all the time. So I have very. Fond memories of it. And when I knew we were going to talk about it this week, um, I, I asked my lovely wife, who's a huge JP fan has seen Jurassic park is like, it's seen Jurassic park as much as I've seen the lost world. Uh, and she was like, I maybe remember seeing the lost world once she's like, I remember absolutely nothing about it. And so we watched it, uh, together and, um, she, her, her reaction at the end of it was
?00:50:21okay.
JVL00:50:22Okay. All right. Did it still give you all of the good feelings though?
Mike00:50:27So the moments, the big moments do, um, and I love, so I love everything about the opening scene with the, which is, which is from the original novel, um, right. Where the, where the copies attack the, the rich little girl, um, uh, I mean, the copies
JVL00:50:48actually come from the first novel. In the first novel, the copies killed John Hammond. Correct. In the first novel, John Hammond is not a, a fuzzy love fatherly type. He's a real, he's a real bastard and Crichton kills him in a very difficult way. He falls down. He falls down a hill and he breaks his ankle and he can't get up and the copies show up and they eat him alive.
Sonny00:51:11It's basically the Stromar death.
Mike00:51:13Yeah. Yes. The Peter Stromar's death. The Dieter. Carter Carter. Um, so. Uh, I love that. I love, by the way. I love Stromar's death where like that was just as horrifying to me this time around as it was when I was a kid. And even even as I kind of the ridiculousness of like how quickly they like river of blood comes. It's like, well, that doesn't quite make sense. And and the the the whole the whole bus thing. I mean, it's just it's it's so thrilling and in the trailer, the trailer. Yes. Or whatever that is. The the bus falling of the trailer falling off the RV RV. Yeah. Like it's all and it's so it's so thrilling that it almost forgives how terrible the rest of the movie is. And I didn't fully appreciate that until this watch. Because also, like while I've seen it 50 times.
JVL00:52:17I have not seen it since 2001 or whatever.
Mike00:52:22Yeah. So I picked up on all the terribleness of all of it. It makes no sense. Here's a couple of things that I didn't understand when I was a kid. And now I understand why I didn't understand them. So a big flaw is OK, so Arliss Howard plays Ludlow, the the new CEO, and he's sort of a short guy with glasses bald. Peter Peter. Paul. The way it's hunting partner is also a short balding guy with glasses. R.J. Right. Is that his name? And when I was a kid, I could not tell the difference between the two of them. I was like, I couldn't. I was like, why did there's a there's this guy and he looks kind of different throughout the movie. And I can't figure out. All adults look the same. Yes, there's definitely a part of that. But I think like the characters don't look different enough to for you to understand.
Sonny00:53:25And then you have Richard Schiff. Right. Well, Richard Schiff, another balding, balding guy. He doesn't have glasses, but he didn't have glasses. And he's he's he's with different people.
Mike00:53:35Exactly. He's with different people. And and R.J. is not introduced to us, except like he's hanging out with he's hanging out with Roland Tembo. And like that's like so it's all. Very. So that was all very confusing. Now I understand a little bit more the to your point, JVL, about the the last act being useless. Right. Like it. I suppose you could have just ended it when they leave the island. And I agree with that. The problem seems to be that it doesn't feel like a full movie with like in terms of time. Like it's amazing to me how quickly things happen and then end on the island. Like that was. Remarkable.
Sonny00:54:17The reason you can't end it on the island with them leaving the island is then it's a pure replay of the first.
Mike00:54:22Correct.
Sonny00:54:23Yeah, it's like you have to you have to have that last set piece in the city or in San Diego, you know, to.
Mike00:54:29But it also it also just feels like when they get off the island, you're kind of like, that's it. That's the movie. And if you don't know that there's that last act there, it does kind of feel empty. I did not notice that Arliss Howard's character is an alcoholic until this until this. Um, until this watch. So I noticed he's when I remember when he's doing the board meeting in the base camp and he's like drinking from a from a cup. And but he's kind of like stumbling and slurring his words. And I was as I was watching it this time, I was like, that's odd. That's a little weird. Like the way he's doing that. And then throughout the rest of the movie, he's like got a flask and he's like drinking from it the whole time. It's just like something that I didn't pick up as a on a on as a kid. And it and it's a little. It's a little interesting.
Sonny00:55:18We're throwing around words like alcoholic here. It may have just needed a little Dutch courage. You know, he's in he's in a way you need to drink. He's in an island full of dinosaurs. Like, let's give the man let's cut the man a little bit of slack.
Mike00:55:30Fair enough. OK. OK. Other stray thoughts. Yeah. Everybody is really stupid in this movie. And that's very frustrating to the point where, like, you're watching it and characters say things that don't make sense. Based on things that they just did in the movie, like 10 seconds before. So, like, yeah, it's like Julianne Moore reaches out and touches the little baby stegosaur. And then, like, as they're 10 seconds later, as they're walking away, she's like, we cannot touch anything. We cannot. It's like, lady, you just not only did she touch it. She's the worst. Ian Malcolm's like, she can't not touch. So, like, so she can't not touch or she like. What is, you know, is Diane Fossey? Like, what is it? Like, it's ridiculous. I will say this is kind of in the way that Temple of Doom is to Raiders. Like, this movie does feel like that to Jurassic Park. Like, it is very dark and very violent. But there's also, like, there's a lot of there's a lot of humor. In this, like, there are a lot of dark jokes or just like jokes that I was picking up on. Like, again, Arliss Howard's, you know, it's a San Diego is a city that's very familiar with animals. The San Diego Zoo, SeaWorld, the San Diego Chargers. You know, it's like there's like these little like kind of kind of dark jokes that that are that are throughout it, which I kind of appreciated. But I don't know. It's just I enjoyed rewatching it again and I appreciated the set pieces. But it's just. It it it's missing everything that makes the first one so great. And like why? Like, I will go watch YouTube clips of individual scenes in that movie just randomly because it's that's great.
JVL00:57:32I'd love it. Let me I want to push back on that slightly because something of there is a thing about this, which I think points to what made the first one so great. So if you if you. If you just watch the first Jurassic Park in a vacuum, like you're like, oh, it's fabulous, right? This is the perfect movie, the perfect summer movie, right? But if you had to then isolate, what is it that made it like you could you could try, but it's a little like pulling apart, you know, like a molecule, right? It just is the fact of this movie, the include the bringing back Ian Malcolm and the addition of Pete Postlewaite's character, I think, point to. The fact that a huge part of what makes the first one work are the characters of Ian Malcolm and Muldoon. Muldoon is a very minor character, but he the truth is you don't need Sadler and Alan Grant. They are they're the main characters, but they are not the necessary characters which make that movie special. Yes, the special characters are actually Muldoon and Malcolm. And Spielberg saw that and realized that this sequel had to have those two characters in it. They were both already dead. He resurrected Malcolm. He couldn't resurrect.
Mike00:58:51Well, he resurrects Malcolm in the at the end of Jurassic Park, right? He doesn't he doesn't die in it. Yeah.
Sonny00:58:57Can I can I am I misremembering is the first is the first sequence in Jurassic Park the Raptor delivery or the trip to the mine? It's the Raptor delivery, right?
JVL00:59:09Yep. Yeah. And that's that's Muldoon. That's Muldoon. Shoot her. Shoot her. Shoot her is the ethos. Keep her. Yeah. Right.
Sonny00:59:18Shoot her is the ethos of the entire series. Yes.
JVL00:59:21And he's so I mean, again, no small parts, only small actors. That is not a lot of part there. And the guy who plays Muldoon is, I mean, think about what when they go to the he does is great when they go to the feeding of the Raptor.
Mike00:59:36Right. Like it's like he comes in at the very end, you know, of that scene and sort of and he's just he's always like this Greek chorus of like, this is dangerous. What we're doing here is insane. And then the I told him to shoot a lot of them. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Or or even the the scene, which I was just rewatching this morning of where Nidri and Malcolm are arguing with each other. And and and Nidri saying, like, you know, complaining about not getting paid and all this stuff. And all of a sudden, Muldoon comes in. Quiet. They're at the T-Rex. They're at the Tyrannosaur paddock. It's like it just it. It he's always bringing you back to that. Yeah. These are fucking dinosaurs who will kill you. And I just find that actor's name.
JVL01:00:26I'm sorry.
Sonny01:00:26He's he hasn't been in a ton of stuff. He's dead now. But he was he was not in a ton of stuff.
JVL01:00:33Well, the I'm going to find his name. Pete Postlewaite really captures that essence in this. And because Postlewaite is so good. Bob Peck is his name. And Bob Peck plays Muldoon from the Royal Shakespeare Company. Of course. Of course. And Pete Postlewaite brings all of that energy to this movie. And that's what one of the reasons why this succeeds to the extent it does. And and it points to again. But these are the types of things that Spielberg understands. Yes. Right. Spielberg understands what makes a movie play.
Mike01:01:13And notably, there is no more. Pete Postlewaite in the last act. He literally the character literally is like, nope, I'm out. I'm done. OK. Any other thoughts on the lost world? We didn't really talk about the gymnastics thing, but it's like as we're watching it. All I say, my wife, like literally burst out laughing when it happened. It was like it was like she was living back through the whole experience, which I remember at the time. Everyone was like, this is the most ridiculous thing that's ever been in a dinosaur movie. But all right. Well, if that's all the time we are going to give to this episode. Nope. JVL, do you have one more thought?
JVL01:01:52I'll save it for the outtakes.
?01:01:53All right.
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JVL01:02:12What you got, JVL? From Bob Peck's IMDB. Read biography. Ian McKellen has credited Peck as being the actor from whom he learned the most. Peck died of cancer at age 53. So died very young. And I guess he hung in the same like Maggie Smith, Ian McKellen, that whole world. That was just. Brian Cox. Yeah. All those guys. And I guess he stayed mostly on the stage. So he did a little bit of film, a lot of British TV. But mostly stayed stage.
Sonny01:02:52Yeah. No, I looked him up once. Because I could have sworn I saw him in a thing. And I was like, oh, that's Muldoon. And it turned out to be somebody else. And I was like, what else has he been in? It was not very much. He did die young. It's very sad.
Guest01:03:04Yeah.
Mike01:03:05I'm sure it's fine.
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