#307. 'Lilo & Stitch' (2002) (Disney+)
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Sonny, JVL, and Mike Warren revisit the original 2002 animated Lilo & Stitch (only Sonny has actually seen the new live-action Disney+ remake, which topped the box office again despite a steep 57% second-weekend drop). All three land in the same place: the cartoon holds up, with Sonny arguing Stitch is a far more gleeful "dickhead" in the original — a chaos-gremlin more Michael Madsen than Dennis the Menace — than the softened puppy-like creature in the remake, while JVL delivers an extended history of Disney's Florida animation studio (Mulan, this film, and Brother Bear) as the weird, cheeky, fully-original outlier of the "everybody already knows this story" Disney era, and Mike praises the film's surprising sadness (dead parents, foster care, a monster desperate not to be discarded) and its small character-perfect details like the $2 pet-license scene. Before getting to the movie the trio spends the first third on banter: Sonny recounts a lake weekend of "jigging" for bass with fishing guides and a brutal White Claw hangover, which prompts a long JVL riff on not understanding the appeal of fishing at all; JVL describes nervously watching his son through his first "real" college-recruiting baseball showcase and riffs on how the transfer portal has turned college teams into a farm system; and Mike tells a saga of a flat tire derailing his Sunday right before he had to get to his kid's game, ending with JVL evangelizing for a $70 hydraulic floor jack. The back half turns into a game of "which classic Disney animated movie deserves the live-action remake treatment," with pitches for The Black Cauldron, a Pixar-cast redo of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Sonny's favorite, The Nightmare Before Christmas, plus a detour defending (and gently roasting) Spielberg's Hook. JVL closes with a non-movie tangent about NBA journeyman Brian Scalabrini destroying Twitter trash-talkers in pickup games.
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Ohana means family, etc.
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Sonny00:00:00Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast.
Mike00:00:29I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who know ohana means family, and family means no one gets left behind. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch, join us over at subbeacon.com. Become a patron to listen to this show. Join the conversation in the comments. You'll never know if your comment will prompt a conversation here on the show, unless you comment, and then listen to the show, and hear us talk about the comment. And you can only do all of that if you're a patron at subbeacon.com. We are going to be talking about Lilo and Stitch. I guess we'll talk about the current one, but mostly the original later on in the show. But first, let's see how everyone's doing. Sonny Bunch, what is going on with you these days?
Sonny00:01:20I had a fun weekend. One of my son's friends. My son is six years old, is going into first grade next year, just finished kindergarten. One of his friends' dad's family, like whatever. This kid's family has a house on a lake about an hour outside of town, hour 20 minutes outside of town. We went down there for the weekend with a bunch of his little friends and their dads. It was a lot of fun. Lots of drinking and eating steak. Steaks and talking and stuff. But the centerpiece of the trip was we went out on the lake and we had fishing guides. We got fishing guides who brought all the gear. Human guides.
Mike00:02:09Okay, okay. Not like one of those. A guide book telling you where to fish.
Sonny00:02:18Not like a GPS.
Mike00:02:19No, I was one of those that were, it tells you what's underneath the boat. A fish finder. A fish finder. A fish finder, yeah.
Sonny00:02:25Well, they had a fish finder on the boat. Of course, yes, yes. No, we had our own Ernie Hudson's from Congo. That was, except white. But it was, no, it was great. It was a great trip, but it was interesting because it was a very different type of fishing than the fishing I have done. I would not say the fishing that I do because I'm not a fisherman. It's not like I go fishing a lot. It's not my jam.
JVL00:02:55You like to dynamite fish?
Sonny00:02:57I wish.
Mike00:02:59Shoot at them from a helicopter?
Sonny00:03:01No, but like, you know, when I go fishing, it's like I walk down to a dock and I put my, I like cast out and my line's got a little bobber on it and there's a worm on a hook and fish come and when the bobber goes under the water, that's a year.
JVL00:03:16Like your Huck Finn.
Sonny00:03:18Exactly, exactly like I'm Huck Finn. But this was a entirely different. Different style of fishing. It wasn't fly fishing, right? It wasn't like it wasn't fly fishing like, you know, your cast.
JVL00:03:30You and Matt Leibash out there.
Sonny00:03:32It was not like Matt Leibash does. It was not. It was not Leibashian. It was not like I couldn't. That seems awful to me. Frankly, I wouldn't I would not be able to do that. However, it was similar to that in the sense that I think it's called I think it's called the gigging like you. It's like it's a it's a it's got you've got. You've got like a lure on it, you know, a handmade lure and you you drop it in the water and you put the line down to the bottom of the lake. You go down 16 or 18 feet or whatever, and then you reel it up just a little bit. So it's like right on the bottom and you like kind of jerk it up a little bit. You jerk it and you like go like this. You jerk that you jerk it with your hand, with your wrists. You make a jerk motion. You're just jerking it right up.
Mike00:04:19So you're talking about jerking it. You're talking about jigging.
Sonny00:04:21You're talking about jigging, jigging. That's right. What did I say? Like gigging, gigging is like for frogs. You stab the frog.
Mike00:04:28You can gig fish, too, with a spear.
Sonny00:04:30That's not we were not spear fishing.
Mike00:04:32We were not jigging.
Sonny00:04:33OK, jigging.
Mike00:04:34We were jigging with a little jig.
Sonny00:04:36Yeah, with a little jig. Anyway, again, it's just it's just a very different type of fishing. And I'll say like we got we were on the water for about four hours, about 20 minutes in about less than that, like 15 minutes in my son actually. Caught the first one. Now, he was getting a little bit of help from one of the guides, you know, but like he actually caught the first fish on the boat. Then, like five minutes after that, I caught the second fish and I was like, holy shit, this is the easiest thing in the world. Why haven't I been doing this my entire life? And from that point on, the boat, the boat caught another probably 13 or 14 fish. I caught zero of them. I got for the last three hours and 40 minutes on that on that boat. Zero fish. For me. I almost got one more. I almost got one more. It was like I was I was reeling it out of the water was out of the water. And then it like spasmed one last time and got away. I was like, you son of a bitch.
JVL00:05:35What kind of fish?
Sonny00:05:37So it was it was a lot of bass. It was a lot of bass in this lake. Some some crappie, some crappie.
Mike00:05:44Crappie, crappie, yeah.
JVL00:05:46How big were these fish?
Sonny00:05:49Like you. It had to be 10 inches to keep. And, you know, the ones that we were keeping were well bigger than this. So like 12, you know, 13 inches.
JVL00:06:00So you're keeping. So this was not catch and release. We were keeping it. We were not catching and releasing. We were keeping it. Lord knows when you go to a fine seafood restaurant, bass from a Texas lake is always on the menu at Ocean Air. Absolutely. They say freshwater bass. That is some good eating. I'd eat it.
Sonny00:06:18I'd eat it. Anyway, I did not bring any of the flies home. But this is another thing about having the guides. We got we got back to the to the. Shore and they like they did the flaying and the gutting and deboning.
Mike00:06:28But well, Sonny, they as as I heard many times growing up fishing in Georgia, they don't call it catching. They call it fishing. So sorry, you sorry, you only had one.
Sonny00:06:41But no, I mean, it was it was fine. Whatever. It was fine. It was actually really.
Mike00:06:44Did it hook you? Did it? No. You want to do this every week now? Absolutely not. OK.
Sonny00:06:50No, it was. But it was it was it was it was like a perfect weekend. It was it was. Eighty two or something like that in the sun. It was like hot. Like there wasn't there wasn't a ton of breeze. But if you like got in the water, got out of the water, you would be fine. But like once the once the sun kind of got over the, you know, once once the sun was like was headed down, it was just perfect. I mean, we're just sitting on the porch drinking and looking at water. It was great. Sounds great.
JVL00:07:16Fishing is the only popular pastime that I. Find myself totally unable to understand the appeal of listening to people talk about fishing who like fishing. It is like to me listening to people talk about pegging like, oh, you know, you know, your wife straps on a good 14 incher and just rails your ass. Man, that's the best. And it's like, look, I'm not into NASCAR, but I understand it. I'm not into stamp collecting, but I understand it. Like, you know, I can listen to people who stamp collect talking about like, yeah, OK, I get that. You know, people are into into all sorts of things. Bow hunting. I'm like, yeah, I get that. It's kind of cool. Right. Fishing is the one thing it does not compute to me.
Mike00:08:04I just I can't see my way into it or understand what anybody would find appealing about it.
JVL00:08:11It is. So there's lots of.
Mike00:08:14So if I can make a brief. I'm so glad Lebesh doesn't listen to the show. I know. Right. So I'm not a fly fisher. But here's the thing about fishing is it is broad. Enough that they're all different kinds of ways to fish to find the type of fishing that works for you or to kind of keep the variety of it. So, you know, like when we go to my parents house, they have a lake and my my boys can fish off the dock where they live. And my dad. Well, my dad will do is basically like the week or two before they get there. He'll start throwing like corn can corn. Down by his dock so that like the the crappies and the and the brim and stuff will, you know, these like little bluegill fish will come and and then my my boys can catch them pretty easily. But they, you know, they they fish with bobbers, but they also fish with jigs and and I like fishing with jigs like it. So it's a fun it's a different activity because you're not sitting there watching. You sort of have to be actively, you know, you're you're you're active. Acting I mean, you're you're you're you're doing an activity the whole time, right? You're trying to you're trying to hook that fish once you get get the little bite. And so you kind of got to be constantly vigilant.
JVL00:09:34So do you like the the strappies with the little ticklers at the end of them, Mike, or the ones that are ribbed? Like which which way do you like it in your cornhole?
Mike00:09:43I mean, this it's it's it's kind of an apt comparison because there are so many different types of jigs, you know, different different constructions.
Sonny00:09:51I used to I used two different kinds on this trip. There was. There was one that was like a double jig. Yeah, it was like it was a second one. And then there was there was like a blue feathered one.
Mike00:10:01Yeah, that's right. But but you you don't have to do it from a dock like boat. You know, there's deep sea fishing. My favorite way to fish is in a kayak. And you can. And so you're like kayaking around and you're fishing in a spot. And that wasn't great. But you're sort of you can move at your own speed and find the place. I've got some great. Redfish down and sort of like brackish water. So I maybe Sonny, this is your like this is your gateway.
Sonny00:10:32No, no, no, it didn't. It didn't do anything. I mean, like what? Again, it was fine. It was it was fine. And I may have had a better time if I like hadn't almost like if I didn't want to die that morning when I had woken up because I'd had like too much white claws. Yeah, like I it was it was I made it. I made a terrible, terrible. Bad mistake. What's that?
JVL00:10:56It sounds like the worst weekend ever. Strictly white claws surrounded by other people. It sounds amazing.
Sonny00:11:01It sounds second. Second day was second day was great. Second day was perfect. Like it all it all it all came together. But that that first night I made some poor choices on what I was drinking.
JVL00:11:10And we've all done it. Also, I'm a beach person and beach and lake do not make you either a beach person or a lake person. I find the lake people disgusting. I disagree.
Mike00:11:19I disagree. You can be a lake and beach person.
Sonny00:11:22I'm much more. I'll say I'm much more of a lake. Sure.
JVL00:11:25There's no sand.
Sonny00:11:26Yeah, because there's no sand. That's right. That's 100 percent. Like I don't like the beach. I don't like ocean water is fine. Like once you're in the ocean, whatever. But like the actual beach part of the beach is is hell. That's like worse than I would rather be in the event horizon dimension.
?00:11:45All right.
Mike00:11:46Well, I'm glad you had a great weekend, Sonny. JVL, what's happening with you?
JVL00:11:50So I I am a little bit ahead of you boys on the ride. I have parenthood and I am staring down the barrel of like hitting the first things with flash that matter like the first. And so this weekend, for the first time since he's been playing baseball for seven years, like he's got a baseball thing that matters. And I find I'm very nervous about it. And so we've got a showcase workout up in Boston.
Sonny00:12:22Was this the thing that you sent? The the little showcase video?
JVL00:12:26Yeah, I sent you guys a video that like it's packaged for the for the coaches. It'll be like 50 kids, 50 coaches. And he's got two of these in June. And after this, we will have a much after these two, we'll have a much clearer sense of who is interested in what programs are interested in him. And like it, it kind of matters, like not in the grand scheme of things. But, you know, like it's when he's 60. It won't matter. But I don't know, like this is going to partially determine where he goes to college. It'll matter in four years.
Mike00:13:00It'll matter in five, 10, maybe even 10 years.
JVL00:13:03And what I'm trying to to to really fix on is something that the coaches have all said to me. And I know that this is true. When coaches are watching kids at these workouts, they are looking at baseline fundamentals of how the kids move, what their delivery looks like, how the ball comes off their hand, what's their arm slot look like, not outcomes like it's not like, you know, you come out, you don't have your best stuff that hardly matters at all. They're looking at the underlying like, is this kid a ballplayer?
Mike00:13:42Fundamental stuff.
JVL00:13:43Right. And in fact, more than more than two coaches have said to me, yeah, I can tell about a kid just watching them warm up like I don't even need to see them in like, you know, these because they put them in these simulated innings that they play, which are just like five batters, no matter what you just you face five batters. And it doesn't, you know, again, nobody's keeping score or nothing. And if you're a hitter, it doesn't matter if you're hitting or flying out or whatever. They're looking at, you know, what is your swing look like? Yeah. What is your what is your your chase rate? Are you chasing stuff like whether, you know, a ball goes foul or not? Totally immaterial. Right. Yeah. Strike out that totally immaterial. It's like, you know, are you making good decisions at the plate? Right. What is what is judgment of the play? Yeah. And and so I know all of that. And yet. It's harder when it's your own kids future at stake. Right. And again, not, you know, it's not the it's not the end of the world. Right. Like, you know, if he goes to college B instead of college C, like, who cares? But I've never had any part of the. The parenthood ride yet where anything that my kid has has encountered mattered before, like in any way, you know, like baseball games, tournaments, tests like they've all been like, whatever, none of none of this counts. Sure. It's like the first thing that kind of counts a little bit. And I find myself being very nervous. But what about him?
Mike00:15:20What's his state of mind? He's pretty nervous.
JVL00:15:22OK. Yeah. I can.
Mike00:15:24I'm more nervous because he's nervous or you nervous on a separate plane of separate nerve. Yeah. Separate plane.
JVL00:15:32And this is the only this is why you raise kids. Right. To try to release them into the world. And, you know, they got to fend for themselves. I mean, that sounds easy, but I'm finding it not to be not not great. And especially because I have always been the one trying to, like, lower stakes. And I'm going to be like, no, this doesn't matter. Like this thing. None of this matters. Like, you know, what matters? What matters? Is who you marry. Right. Do you do you do you make the right decision on the person whom you marry? That matters quite more than anything else in the world. More than where you go to college. What matters is do you find your way into profession where you can be happy to wake up every day and go to work? Those are the things that matter. Right. Right. That said, it's it's hard for me. Any advice you gents have since, you know, it's all still theoretical for you. I would. We'd love to hear it.
Mike00:16:25I feel like we're not equipped.
JVL00:16:26Right.
Mike00:16:27Now we're not at that point.
JVL00:16:28But but maybe it's precisely the fact that you're not facing it, that it is theoretical, that you'd have like really sound advice. I mean, in the or not.
Mike00:16:39Sonny, you're you're like Sonny's like, I've got alcohol.
Sonny00:16:43Yeah, that's right. Exactly. No, you have. Do you own a flask? JBL.
Mike00:16:48Can you just take those feelings that you have and put them? Real tight into kind of a ball and then just shove it down deep, deep, deep.
Sonny00:17:00You know that you know that cavity in your chest where you put your feelings? Just you got it. You got to expand that a little bit.
JVL00:17:06So more.
Sonny00:17:06You're like that. He needs to grow three sizes that day.
Mike00:17:10So you can like that video. That was great. It was great. He looked like a pro. Wait.
Sonny00:17:16So is he is he back to pre-surgery velocity and everything? Is he is he's better?
JVL00:17:22He's better.
Sonny00:17:23He's he's surpassed.
JVL00:17:24So he's not a rookie of the year surgery. He's not where he wanted to be by this point. Like when we were when we he was freshman year, he's still like he he did lose a whole year of development, basically. And so he's behind where he wants to be. And that's why he's looking at like low D1 high D3 stuff instead of like mid D1. Yeah.
Sonny00:17:47But we'll say he can always he can always hit the transfer portal. Right. Isn't that? Yeah.
JVL00:17:52I mean, this is a very real thing.
Mike00:17:54It's it's I've been amazed even just kind of vaguely following the College World Series postseason tournament stuff like the number of players are sort of like looked at. OK, like what's their what's their deal? It's like, oh, they played at two other schools.
JVL00:18:09So at the top schools, I think I've told you guys this. It's like the heavy, heavy baseball schools. That's very common because they don't want to waste roster slots on players they have to develop. Right. And so they just want to have a full team's worth of guys who are ready. To go at their best right now. And so they offload, they treat like lower tier schools as their farm system. Yeah. Right. And so the whole idea of the farm has now migrated all the way down into college. Right. College teams themselves are now farms for the major for the minors and the lower level colleges are farms for the upper level colleges.
Sonny00:18:47It's really weird.
JVL00:18:48Great system.
Sonny00:18:49You know, I am not I am not a college baseball. I'm not a college sports. I don't care about college sports at all. Like, I barely watch football. I barely watch basketball. So I don't really have a horse in this game. I don't have a dog in this fight. Right. But it seems to me like this is the worst possible thing that could have happened to college sport. Like it is. It has kind of it's again, just looking at this purely from an outsider's perspective, it does seem to me like this is kind of destroyed college as a game.
Mike00:19:24It's it's professionalized things. Right.
Sonny00:19:28It's like, yeah, but like, but before I mean, before you would have like this happened early in basketball, right, where you would have guys have like one and done careers where like you would just you'd be the guys, the top high school guy would come in, he'd play for you for one year, then he'd go into the pros. And so that's been happening in basketball for a while. But doing this, doing this to baseball and to football and having and having no consistency and having nobody be able to do it. Like nobody has a nobody, nobody has like a Reggie Bush style career anymore.
Mike00:20:01Right.
Sonny00:20:02Like that's not that's not like a thing that exists. Like people just the best players just hop around too much for that to happen. Right.
JVL00:20:09That's mostly true. Yeah, it's mostly true. And at the top levels, then you want to at least in baseball, like, you know, Tennessee becomes like a college all star team. Right. Because, you know, it's harder to have if you're recruiting straight from high school, like some of the kids work out, some they don't. Right. But if you're if you're giving them two or three more years to develop their bodies and their skills, then you get a much clearer read on what their upside is. And so you could just like take from there. It's right. It's I don't know. I think I've told you this. There's like one thing that happens is like kids will go to an Ivy League school for a year or two. Right. And then like transfer from Harvard to Alabama or an SEC. Which is like the most ass backwards thing in the universe.
Mike00:21:01I got into Harvard so that I could finally work my way up to Alabama.
JVL00:21:04Yeah. Yeah. It's the world we live in. So I don't know. You know, I'm nervous. I hope don't.
Mike00:21:10So here's my here's my quick advice. JBL is there's there's nothing you can do. Right. Like there's nothing that you can do. So it's it's it's all it's all. It's all done as far as you're concerned. Yeah. So just let it go.
JVL00:21:29And this is this something that he has has really latched on to, which I think is great, is the idea that he doesn't have to make a lot of plans because baseball will make all of the decisions for him. Like baseball is a revelatory sport. It's it's so big and so repetitive that like you are what you are. And everybody can always tell what you are. It's not like. I mean, there is like, you know, football or basketball, you have like one great game or something like that. And you have a Rudy moment.
Mike00:21:59Yeah.
JVL00:21:59Yeah. Like in baseball, it just like it all washes out and like you're either good enough to do something or you're not.
Mike00:22:05And it becomes obvious to everybody.
JVL00:22:07So and and that's great. I'm glad he's embraced that. And I am, too. It's just harder at the level of like, oh, this is our first like serious showcase workout. Yeah. But but but you can't you can't do anything to change what happens. No. Well, it can do. I think is I can stand on the fence during the workout and shout instructions to him on what he could do better. And I could heckle the other kids there. I bet the coaches. I bet the coaches would really look and say, hey, that's a family. We get in business.
Mike00:22:40They'd say they'd say, hey, whose kid is that? Whose dad is that? Whose dad is that? Let's let's find out.
JVL00:22:46What you do is I can pretend on the other kids.
Sonny00:22:48Pretending you're the other kids. You just wear like you wear like a come on, Joe. You know, Chase, you get him, Chase. He's fucking out. Come on, Skip. Get it. Get it, Skip.
Mike00:23:02Here was I like going to suggest breaking some of those kids legs at the hotel the night before.
JVL00:23:07But I mean, anyway.
Mike00:23:10All right. Well, I real quickly. I'll just share. What are you up to, buddy? An appreciation I have as I get older for it's not what I'm about to say. It's not time management. It's a it's the management of time when a crisis or something below a crisis, but something that goes awry from the plan. Because, you know, we've got, you know, we've got a brood, a small brood of children with activities, mainly baseball at this time of year, but also other things that we do in our lives. And there's work and there's things like, you know, and so. Things go according to plan and you have that plan in place. It's great, right? OK, you're going to be here. We're going to meet at this time. If there's like a traffic issue, that's OK, because we've covered this thing and we can get so-and-so's dad to come pick you up and all this up. And but I just have a greater appreciation, particularly after this weekend, which was which in which I had a extremely stressful, like two hours where the plan went. Like really a rye and it was really unfun and it had, you know, there was like nothing I could do about it, but I had to deal with it. So it's a Sunday. We're finishing a playoff game for triple A minors that had been that had started on Friday and had been rained out after the third inning. So we have to finish that in the afternoon. That's my oldest. My middle has a friend's house that he's going. To that there they've said come over. We have to drive to his house come over for the whole afternoon. We'll go to the pool go to the tennis court. We'll play whatever and I've got like long work to do. I've got other stuff projects. So like I've laid out my Sunday. We've already been to church. I've laid it all out. So like, okay, we're going to do this. This is this and this is going to be here and you can bring the toddler after the nap to the game and blah blah blah and I go out. My car, which is sitting in the cul-de-sac in front of my house to take my middle to his friend's house and lo and behold, there is a flat tire and it's like, okay, what do I didn't you just have that or was that Sonny? You just had that was you that was Sonny. I thought about Sonny and so it was like this moment of like, okay, now I've got to sort of prioritize. What do I like? What do I do right now? And then push off to like making a decision or doing later. So and I will say like, I don't think I made all the right decisions on this particular Sunday, but you know, it was a lot of game time decision. So it's like, okay, jump in the other car, take the one child to the friend's house because that then it's like that clears one person from like, I don't have to deal with that from your board. Exactly. But then it's like, okay, he's got. The oldest has to get to the field at such and such time. Okay. I've got like an hour before. No, I've got like 45 minutes before he has to get to the field. Maybe all that happened is I like I just need to pump this. My neighbor has like a pump. I can just pump this full of air and like take it to the shop. Sure. And then and then drop whatever. No, there's no the air. Like I'm sitting there pumping it and it is nothing is changing. The PSI is the same. It this thing is like a full on hole. So then it's like, okay, let's let me figure out what to do. My neighbor. Meanwhile, it's like, oh, you have my insurance company, which he also has as a which has this great roadside assistance. Just call them and they'll take care of it. They'll come and they'll change your tire and all this stuff. I'm like, yeah, okay. Like I can change a tire. But like now the clock is ticking. In terms of changing a tire in order to then like what can I can I can I ask a question here?
Sonny00:27:32Because you mentioned having another car. Why don't you just use the other car for that day?
Mike00:27:37Because I would like to get okay. So because I would like to get my car's tire fixed so that I can drive to the office the next day or do you know, like we like we kind of thrive on two cars. So like taking a. Car out of the situation. So it was like it's also a Sunday. So it's like let me drop it somewhere so that I can pick it up the next morning and like while the kids are at school and all it's it's like again, it's like I'm just like bouncing all of these different priorities try to figure out the thing to do is but like at that point. It's like okay. I need to get this car. I did the spare tire on so I could take it to a shop so they can figure out what's wrong with the tire. If I need to get a new tire what like to me, that's the most stressful part. Is like is like figuring out what's wrong with it so that I can pay the money to have them fix it so that it's like okay, do I so I call the insurance roadside assistance come fix my flat tire. It's going to be like 60 to 90 minutes. They said so I'm like, all right. So by this point my wife has had has dropped off my oldest at the friend's house. Who's also on the team so he could take him to warm-ups. But I still have to get to the game. It's very important because I'm the game changer JVL. You'll understand like I run game changer and when I'm not at game changer when I'm out there to do game changer like people like mass hysteria mass hysteria.
Sonny00:29:09Like I'm not even joking living together. I'm not even joking.
Mike00:29:12So anyway, so then it's like okay, what do I do? So I then I had to change the tire in my in my in my driveway or in my cul-de-sac and like talk about. Like stress like it's one thing to change a tire, right? Like when you don't have anywhere to go or it's like you got a little but but then it's like I've got to change this and it's like a pit stop it. The whole thing is like it's like crazy. And so I've got my neighbors coming out and they're like watching me and all this stuff. So I changed it. It was fine. It's again that the at the end of the day like it all worked out fine, but I had this like real sense of urgency of like getting to this game on time and it it did not. It did like I was forgetting things like to loosen the lug nuts before you jack it up.
Sonny00:29:58You got it. You got it. You got to loosen the lug nuts on the ground. Otherwise the tire will just spin around.
Mike00:30:02I know that but I was forgetting that all of a sudden I was like, wait, I should before I come before I continue jacking this up. I need to loosen the nuts.
Sonny00:30:09Did you put them back on in the star pattern?
Mike00:30:11Of course, I did put them on back on the start.
Sonny00:30:13I just just making sure say my first rodeo.
JVL00:30:16Can I can I JVL you guys a little life hack here?
Mike00:30:18Yeah.
JVL00:30:20For like $70. You can go on Amazon and buy a floor jack. If you have a floor jack the total time required to change a tire drops to like seven minutes. You just wheel the Jack out there and all what is all of the the time you spend is getting the jack out from the spare tire kit twisting it to lower it putting it over twist twist twist to raise it.
Mike00:30:48Right the floor jackets got like a hydraulic handle. It's like a pump. You just slide it under. It's takes two to do five. The thing is up. So okay, so a floor a floor jack did come in to the equation here. Oh good because they're and they're cheap like you should just have one at home, but but my neighbor had it and so I'm so he comes in but here's the problem. So I could not get the jack out of my car. It was like I don't know like it is just like stuck in the little compartment in the in the car. So that's not emasculating at all. No, it's not. I mean, it was like literally.
Sonny00:31:23Like rusted in are you sure it's not screwed in a lot of those are like I know some of them are screwed out before no, I have not gotten out before so I've never used it didn't have like a little wing nut screw. I looked for the wing nut screw. This happened to me the first time I had to change my my Volvo. I was like, why isn't the jack coming out? Get out of there.
Mike00:31:44Well, maybe it did but I but again time was of the essence. So I went and got my what kind of car do you have? This is a this is a RAV4 a Toyota RAV4. Then I went to the van and got that but that jack is not tall enough. It is not quite tall enough to jack up my car. So then my neighbor brought out his hydraulic one, but that was also not tall enough. So he had the great idea of getting one of those big landscaping bricks that he had a bunch of extras and and putting my jack on top of it so we could get it up high enough. Anyway, it all worked out and it turned out that it was like a nail that had come out. Because the other thing is once we got the tire off, nobody, not I, not my neighbors could find where like where it was. And it turned out a nail had punctured it and had fallen out. The tire place was able to put it like plug it and pump it back up and it's fine. But and we made it to the game like five minutes late. And once I got to once I got to the dugout, I was like, I can do game changer now. Like the coach who was doing it was like, thank God you were here. Thank God you're here. You were anyway. So it just it's it was very stressful. And I think I'm going to invest in this hydraulic floor jack. Yeah, it's worth doing. I think so. All right. Shall we move on? Let's move on to the box office and talk about number one, the box office. Once again, this week, Lilo and Stitch, the live action, live action, plus lots of CGI update of the 2002 animated film from Disney down all 57 percent. It's kind of it was kind of a dip in the box office. Number two, Mission Impossible. The final reckoning is is what? Twenty seven million. One hundred and twenty two million overall for that movie. What do we think about box office? How did it hold?
Sonny00:33:50Fifty seven percent drop for both. Actually, fifty seven. We drop for both Mission Impossible, Final Reckoning and Lilo and Stitch. I mean, that is that that is steeper than you would like to see if you are Disney and slash or Paramount. But it is also you got to remember the weekend before was a four day weekend. So the Sunday numbers are usually a little bit higher. So a slightly larger.
Mike00:34:14I see.
Sonny00:34:15A slightly larger dip is is not necessarily unexpected. But I mean, I would say like fifty seven percent. Is not is not indicative of great word of mouth. That said, both of my kids have now seen this movie twice. Somehow they my my daughter, my daughter's group of friends were had scheduled a trip to go see it. And she went to go see it with them. And then my son's my son's the camp slash daycare. He goes to they they every week they have a field trip. You know, sometimes they go to a museum. Sometimes they go whatever. This week they were just going to the movie theater. That was their field trip, which. It's fine by me. I'm pro pro going to the movie theater is a field trip.
Mike00:34:57What kind of field trip is that?
Sonny00:34:59Wow. It's not really a field trip. It's just like, hey, we're going to watch a movie in a different place.
Mike00:35:04All right. Any other I don't know. Any other thoughts on.
Sonny00:35:07No, I mean, there's there's not.
Mike00:35:09I like almost two hundred seventy nine million for two weekends.
Sonny00:35:13I do. I would just like to point out that friendship friendship dropped forty four percent despite adding two hundred thirty eight screens. It's doing. That movie again, that movie is going to be right in the the meaty part of the a twenty four curve somewhere between fifteen and twenty million dollars. Yeah.
Mike00:35:32It's at twelve million now.
Sonny00:35:34Yeah. Which I you know, maybe it holds on longer. I don't know. But with with the new Wes Anderson coming out this week, that's going to eat up a lot of the screens and the Phoenician scheme.
Mike00:35:47All right. I think we just move on to talk about Lilo and Stitch. Yes. Sure. All right. Well, we did not all see the new Lilo and Stitch. We watched the OG Lilo and Stitch.
Sonny00:36:02Sonny, am I the only one who's seen the new one? Did you guys see that? I have not seen. OK. OK.
Mike00:36:10Do you want to give us a you can review the new one or review the old. It's the same story, right?
Sonny00:36:15It's pretty much exactly the same. It's pretty similar. Lilo and Stitch. Lilo and Stitch. 2002, not 2025. So this, you know, all right, here's here's plot of the movie. Plot of the movie is mad scientists who works for some sort of galactic federation creates a horrible little monster and the people in charge want to get rid of it and they send it to the mosquito farm known as Earth, where it is supposed to fall into the water and drown because it's too heavy for water. Instead, it lands into the island of Hawaii, where it. It falls under specifically falls under the care of a young girl named Lilo, who adopts it. She thinks it's a dog, despite the fact that it's blue and talks and says and has conversations with people and like smoke cigarettes and stuff, basically not written, not quite. But one thing that jumps out while watching this, it just as an aside, one thing that jumps out while watching this is that in the animated 2002 version, Stitch is a real dickhead. Because Stitch is like Stitch is walking or Stitch is like Michael Madsen. He's like walking around like like hitting people and, you know, like causing like not even causing chaos. He's just being a real jerk, like throwing things on the ground. Like he's like walking around, like smacking books out of people's hands and throwing things at people's heads. He's just so naughty. He's just he's just a real asshole. The whole for like 90 percent of this movie. And that's very different from the the the remake where he's he they really lean more into like he's he's a crazy puppy like he's he's just kind of out of control. Whereas in this movie, he's like mean spirited. He's like he's like really Kremlin or Dennis the Menace.
JVL00:38:11That's right. That's right. It's it's E.T. If E.T. was Dennis the Menace instead of Gandhi.
Sonny00:38:18But see, even even Dennis the Menace is like there's like an element of. There's an element of Dennis the Menace is just a kid who's like, again, this is more this is more like he is. He's like a he's like a sidekick in a Quentin Tarantino movie who's just like being a Kremlin
JVL00:38:35jerk off. Yeah.
Sonny00:38:39Anyway, the the Galactic Federation sends a couple of scientists to bring him back and hijinks ensue. There's a there's a social worker who, for some reason, used to work for the CIA. In this movie played by Ving Rhames, who I guess is not in in the CIA anymore, or is he still impossible mission force?
JVL00:39:04His name is Lucia, right?
Sonny00:39:06Yeah, it's Ving Rhames. It's Ving Rhames. It's it's you're you keep expecting Ethan Hunt to show up anyway. Anyway, Lilo and Stitch and the older sister Nani rediscover the principle of Ohana, which means family. Leave no one behind. And their their parents are dead because it's a Disney movie. So you don't want to you don't want to leave anybody behind. And when it's time to send Stitch back, he gets to stay the end. That's the that's the movie. That's that's the movie. This movie came out in 2002. Yes. Which means I was a I guess a second year in college. Yeah, I think probably I guess it would probably the summer between second and third year. Yeah. And which means it's like right in. Like the absolute darkest time frame for me in terms of like seeing kids movies. Right. Like I'm like I'm too I'm too old and I'm seeing college kid movies. I'm like, I'm I'm going to the fucking art house and shit. And and I don't I don't start watching kids movies again, really, until I'm like a professional critic. Like there's this whole like probably nine year stretch where I just like I'm totally checked out of the whole Disney scene. So I had actually never seen this before. Like two days ago. Really? I never never seen it before. Like two days ago when I watched it for this show. I did not watch it before I watched the new live action one. And, you know, look, this is this is one of the last hand drawn Disney movies. There is a certain charm to the animation. It does. It's funny how old fashioned it looks compared to compared to I mean, compared to anything now compared to any of the. Stuff that's out now, like there were there were there were elements of this where it almost felt like like it was roto scoped almost. Did you guys get that that feeling that it had like kind of a Ralph Bakshi quality to it? A couple of a couple of months. Yes. Which was again was kind of interesting.
JVL00:41:09When you watch Tom and Jerry as a kid and you'd get like the old, old Tom and Jerry's versus like the 1970s. Maybe you guys didn't have this. But like when I was a kid watching afternoon cartoons, they would like you get these blocks of Tom and Jerry. Shorts. Sure. But they'd all be mixed up. And so you'd get like some that felt like it was, oh, this was probably animated in 1976 or 1978. And then some that are like, oh, this is more like 1967. And like everything about or 50. Right. Everything about it was a different feel. Yes.
Sonny00:41:41Yeah. But anyway, like I'll say again that this is a better this is still a better looking movie than the live action movie, because this is like this. The movie about the weird blue dog alien who's kind of a dick and causes mischief and is like running around and there are aliens chasing him. This movie should be animated. It should have that sort of kinetic, imaginative energy to it. And that is totally lacking from the live action one. So like in the live action one, the two alien scientists who are here to track him down are both just played by regular guys. They're just played by one is Zach Galifianakis. There's another guy who's. Name escapes me at the moment. And they're just like it's just they're just played by humans. And they're like kind of funny because Zach Galifianakis is kind of funny. But like they're just they're just humans. It's like it's they're just humans. Oh, Billy.
Mike00:42:37Billy Magnuson plays Billy Mags.
Sonny00:42:39Yeah. Anyway. Anyway, I like whatever. I like this movie. Fine. My daughter loves this movie. She like and that's the other thing that kind of is weird about this to me is that it is kind of like it's like. A classic for this like younger, like very young millennial, older Gen Z cohort. Like they are. They love this movie. This is like this is gold to them. And part of that is because Disney did a very good job of churning this into a franchise on the Disney channel. This was like there are like three straight to, you know, video straight to DVD sequels. There was a TV show like this. There's a whole Lilo and Stitch universe of stuff. Out there. So like this, this live action movie was always going to do better than the Snow White one because kids actually really love these movies. So JVL. Anyway, fine. It's fine.
JVL00:43:38So Lilo and Stitch is to me most interesting as a corporate artifact. And to understand it, you have to understand some things about Disney. The first of which is that. And this. I mean, unless you're staring at the filmography, I think we tend to believe that the Disney eras have clear demarcations between them. But it's not really. It's it's a little bit like American decades where there's these hazy moments. So, for instance, we view the modern moment of Disney animation is beginning with The Little Mermaid. The Rescuers Down Under, which feels like a movie that's 10 years older than The Little Mermaid, actually came out after. Yep. One year after. Right. And so, you know, that that new Little Mermaid era begins before the old era, which is really like the 70s and 80s bad Disney when things are going downhill before that even ends. Then you get Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and Lion King and Pocahontas. And then they they have Pixar. Right. And so then, you know, we go right from Pocahontas to Toy Story. Pocahontas and Toy Story are happening the same year. Yep. Right. And Pocahontas is the last of that classic golden age or second golden age of Disney animation before they move into the properties that are really, really declining, like Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules. Uh, Tarzan, uh, Emperor's New Groove. But in the middle of that, we get this other era, which is which is the Disney Florida animation era. And what happened was so Disney is this weird company in that the the brains of the company are in Los Angeles with the film production and the studios. But the heart of the company is in the theme park. In Orlando, which is the bed. I mean, Disney World is like five times the size of Disneyland. Like Disneyland is really like a tiny satellite.
Mike00:46:02It's a concept.
JVL00:46:03Yeah. And and so there's this moment when Disney the decided we should try to see what happens if we try to do our artistic work where our heart is and stand up an animation studio in Florida. And it's sort of an abortive attempt. And we get Mulan is the first studio first movie to come out of the Disney Florida studio. And this is the next one. And then the last of these, I think, is Brother Bear. Yep. Brother Bear. So and Lilo Stitch is really the only Mulan is well loved, well loved movie, but is a very different movie from this because Mulan feels like. Like Pocahontas feels like Princess and the Frog and all of those those era of movies. And you had also happening again, different different different eras all happening at once. You also had this totally garbage attempt at computer animation within the Disney animation studios, which is like Atlantis, the Lost Empire, Treasure Planet. These movies are just absolutely poured money into because they're trash. Trying desperately to compete with Pixar, even though Pixar is basically a sister studio.
Mike00:47:27Do you remember, JVL, sorry to interrupt this. Do you remember Dinosaur? Dinosaur. Yes. I remember the hype for Dinosaur and then seeing Dinosaur and be like, what the as a 12 year old being like, what the fuck was that? Yeah.
JVL00:47:42And and after after we Brother Bear happens, basically Disney animation shuts down. More or less. And they still do a couple things, but they're half hearted and they're just beaten by Pixar. And it isn't until Pixar comes fully inside the house. Then John Lasseter is given the keys that Disney animation is really reborn again with Tangled. And and so that brings us to like 2010. And that then begins the resurgent place where we are now, where it's like Tangled, Frozen. What are some of the other six Moana? Right. So I find all of that incredibly interesting. And the most interesting thing to me about Lilo and Stitch is that it's not forgettable. Right. So many of the Disney animation product from that period is really is disposable and it goes in one ear and out the other. And like I had to like Brother Bear. Yeah, no, I know. I saw Brother Bear. I know of Brother Bear. I get like, oh, but Lilo and Stitch, the character design of the alien, the concept, which is E.T. If E.T. was a dick, but fun. Right. If E.T. if E.T. was the kind of chaos gremlin that little kids dream of being. Sure. And the idea that it was this was like as close as a Disney movie. Ever gets to being cheeky. Right. Not it's not edgy because Disney doesn't ever do edgy, but it is kind of cheeky. And that was very different. That was a very different speed for Disney as a story they were willing to tell. And also, it's an entirely original concept, which is something Disney throughout that period did not do. So, I mean, if you just go through these, you know, everything they're doing. Is a take on a story people already know. And so Tarzan, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Pocahontas, with very few exceptions, like Lion King is an exception. Even the Little Mermaid, right? Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin. These are all everybody knows those stories independent of the Disney movie. And Lillian Stitch is not. Lillian Stitch is a fully original. And so I, you know, I understand why it's beloved, honestly. Yeah.
Sonny00:50:29Yeah.
JVL00:50:30Yeah.
Mike00:50:31Yeah. I think, well, by the way, in your, in, in that very well stated and thorough kind of history of the post 89 Disney animation, like where does Princess and the Frog fit into that? Because it's a, it's an anomaly.
JVL00:50:47Princess and the Frog is later than you think. Yeah. Yeah. It's 2009. Princess and the Frog. But it's like right before 2009.
Mike00:50:52Tangled. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. No, it's not crazy. Cause I remember that it came out and it was like, oh yeah. Cause there were, as you said, all those forgettable. So I'm looking at the list here. Home on the range. Yeah. Chicken little meet the Robinson's. Chicken little. And bolt. Yeah. And then it's, it's like, it's like, oh, it's just like direct after.
JVL00:51:15Those things might as well have been direct to video. The quality was so bad. And then the Princess and the Frog is like, this was like this.
Mike00:51:20Oh, it's kind of. It's more, it's, it fits more into the late nineties pantheon in terms of quality. It feels much more like Pocahontas. Right. It looks like Pocahontas. Totally. And it's, I love that movie.
?00:51:34Okay.
Mike00:51:35All right.
Sonny00:51:35Well, it's, it's, it's up there with Tangled, right? It's like Princess and the Frog and Tangled are kind of linked in my mind. They both came out around the same time, right?
JVL00:51:42They come within a year of one another, but they look like they're from different decades. That's what I mean. Which is so strange. Again, this is like, uh, Rescuers Down Under and. And The Little Mermaid. And The Little Mermaid. Yeah, yeah. Right. You look at them and you're like, what? These things, these things are contemporaries. These pieces of art are like totally out of time with one another. I, I like Princess and the Frog a lot better than Tangled, but.
Sonny00:52:05Well, it was, oh, that's interesting. I, I probably prefer Tangled slightly, but also like they, they, they've really made an effort to, like Princess and the Frog is obviously popular because Disney has really made an effort to, uh, like integrate that into the parks, like the, the, uh, it took over the Splash Mountain. Correct. Um, the ride, the Tiana's Bayou or whatever, uh, is now, is now the ride there, but they also built out a big Tiana's restaurant to go with it. So, I mean, it's like, it is, it is like a, it's a right in the heart of the park. I mean, it is, it is a, it's a big thing. And this was just caused a lot of, caused a lot of controversy with the Disney adults who were like, we're getting rid of Br'er Rabbit. What are we?
JVL00:52:48Question.
Sonny00:52:49Yeah.
JVL00:52:50Do you think when they're sitting doing. The initial pitch for something like the princess and the frog, putting a restaurant in the theme park is part of the pitch.
Sonny00:53:03Oh yeah.
JVL00:53:03I think it has to be right.
Sonny00:53:05Oh, sure. Sure.
Mike00:53:05So, so she's opening a restaurant. She's opening a restaurant in the movie, right? Cause we got it.
Sonny00:53:09That's literally, I like, it's literally the ride is literally like you're going through the restaurant, like you're going through the restaurant she's making. You come down, you splash into it and then you come out and the restaurant is right there. Now, the irony of this, of course, is that. You could not possibly walk off the ride and walk into the restaurant. You have to have reservations at that restaurant fucking six months in advance. Like that is, that is not a, that's not a thing that you can, you can waltz into, but yeah. All right.
Mike00:53:38Well, I guess I should share my.
JVL00:53:39Yeah.
Mike00:53:40What do you, what do you think, Michael?
JVL00:53:41Cause you're an anime, you are a connoisseur of animation much more so than either Sonny or I am. I don't know about that, but I'll take it.
Mike00:53:49Um, the, so this was after my time. In terms of watching movies. So, uh, watching the animated movies. So, but I will say I had seen this once before sometime in the last 10 years, but that's about it. Like I'd never watched it. My, my wife had seen it and liked it and enjoyed it. Um, and, and she rewatched it with me for, for the show, uh, because she likes it so much. And she and I were both talking about it. We were talking about how ubiquitous, even though I didn't see the movie, how ubiquitous Lilo and Stitch were at that time. Like they were just everywhere when the movie came out. It was just, it was in that they were inescapable, even if I never saw the movie. Um, and so we were just reflecting on that. Um, I agree, uh, JVL, I believe you were getting to this, that it was, it's a cheeky movie. Um, and it's doing things that Disney normally doesn't do. And I mean, right. Yes. But, but like literally from, from the very beginning, right. All of a sudden we're in this like kind of star Wars, the, uh, star Trek mix up, but with aliens space ship thing. And there's like a, there's like a trial happening and, and it's, it's jarring because it's, we've never seen Disney do this before. So it's like, what is this movie? You know, if you're kind of coming in cold, you're like, what is this?
JVL00:55:22Michael, I believe in the original theatrical trailer or maybe the original teaser trailer stitch breaks the fourth wall and begins eating like the Disney logo or something, which again is just a, a level of knowingness that Disney had never done before.
Mike00:55:40One a hundred percent. Well, look, look even at the, I mean, again, it was in a skateboard. I remember that trailer. I remember the poster and it was when I was looking this up on Wikipedia, it was a reminder. I was like, Oh yes, I, I, I was. I was thinking of that. The poster was like Lilo or sorry, was stitch. And then all of these classic Disney animation characters, like looking at him angrily, like it was, it was meta in a very interesting way. So the, the, I find the movie so charming and like irresistible. You cannot not, you cannot hate this movie. I think, I mean, maybe you can, whatever, but like, it's, it's just it, even in the moment where you think this is, uh, you know, if, if it's too much for you, if you're a Disney fan and this is like a little too edgy, um, it can win you over. If you're sort of like, uh, another Disney movie with a cute Disney character with the big eyes and all that stuff. No, actually he's a monster and he's like horrifying. And, um, and Lilo, by the way, is no like sweet little girl either. Like she's kind of a terror as well. And, um, yeah, yeah. I really, I really loved how they sort of leaned into that cheekiness, um, throughout the movie. Uh, and, oh, go ahead, Sonny. You're saying something.
Sonny00:57:03Well, it's also just, just on that note, it is, it's, it's also interesting because it is, it is a very sad movie really like in, in, in beyond, beyond like the, again, you have the standard dead parents, like you have the Disney dead parents, like that's just the thing. Right. Uh, and we, and we all, we all know and love. We all love that about Disney. Um, but the, uh, but like, it's not just that it's like, they're not, they're not, they're not princesses with dead parents. They're like poor kids in Hawaii dealing with child protective services. Right. And like Lilo is bad. Lilo, like the thing is, it's not a good, it's not a good home situation for her. It is not like, it's not, that's not an age.
JVL00:57:51Who's rescuing who? Who?
Sonny00:57:53Sonny. Exactly. Exactly. No, I mean, it's like, but it is, it is, it's, it's weirdly intense in that regard. Like they, they are, they like, it's not, it's not a situation that feels primed for a happily ever after resolution. Well, and in the real world, almost certainly in the real world where the blue dog alien doesn't exist, these two children are separated and, uh, and the foster system and it's, it's
Mike00:58:22bad for very, very bad. Uh, and, and even on that same front, I mean, Stitch's story is not, I mean, Stitch's story tugged at my heartstrings by the end of this movie because, you know, he is a freak. He is a creation and every, from the moment that he was created, like his creator and the people who are in charge of his creator, like they're all basically like repelled by him, repulsed by him and like want to destroy him. Uh, and then, and, and so like his identity, I mean, it's, it's like, it's working on this, some very interesting levels that are, are very, are very new and mature, I think for a Disney movie.
Sonny00:59:06Well, like, like the moment in this movie, and this is not in, I don't think it's in, I don't think it's in the remake. I don't remember being in the remake, uh, but like the moment in this movie where he intentionally gets lost, so his family will come and find him like in the, like the That is, that is like, oh, that's very sad. That's a very sad thing that's happening to Stitch, this little dipshit Michael Madsen monster. That's right.
Mike00:59:30Um, part of it also is, as my wife and I were joking, um, we could see two of our children in one in Lilo and one in Stitch. And so we were, you know, like we, like even down to certain, uh, sounds or things that they were making.
JVL00:59:45I was like, oh yeah, that's, that's so-and-so.
Mike00:59:47Um, but then my wife pointed this out. She's, she's so brilliant when watching movies, she like picks up on things that I don't pick up on, uh, maybe subconsciously I do, but you know, it's like, there were like the little moments that kind of make the movie, uh, really work. So when, for instance, they go to the pet adoption place and there's that moment where they've got to, she's got to pay $2 for the license for Stitch and just that little moment where she's like, can I have $2, uh, and Nani goes to pay the $2. Lilo says, no, I want to pay it. And Nani has to like hand the $2 to Lilo so that Lilo can hand it in. And I was like, that is the most like six year old moment, uh, good, it's, it's so well written and there are moments like that throughout the movie that I just, um, I just love. So, and a little bits of satire, right? Like all the fat tourists that she takes photos of and, and has hanging up, um, you know, in her room. Um, I just. I love the characters and I love the story and, um, it's just, it's, it's a great movie and it's sad to me that, um, that they felt the need to kind of do what they've done for all the other ones, which is remake it into something that's sounds to me, everybody thinks it's like inferior to the original.
JVL01:01:11So I, I have a question for you guys because it was not obvious to me when the remake came out that it would be a monster hit in the way it was, but in retrospect, it should have been obvious, right? Because for all the reasons we just talked about, like Lilo's Titch is beloved. It's memorable. There was an entire universe on the Disney plus channel. There's pent up demand that we couldn't really see, but it was all there underneath the surface. Looking back through the Disney animation catalog, are there any other properties that you think might be the same way underappreciated and really like a remake could do very, very good business? Because I only found one. Interesting.
Sonny01:01:59You go. I'm going to actually look because I didn't. This was not.
Mike01:02:04My joke answer that is, is the Black Cauldron. But actually, now that I say it out loud, it's not.
JVL01:02:11Elder Millennials, a real life version of it to be a sort of new as a why reimagine it as a YA Dungeons and Dragons-esque adventure movie. I don't know. That's not crazy.
Mike01:02:24That's not crazy.
JVL01:02:26I don't know. I'd have to think about this. JVL, you go ahead and tell us what you act.
Mike01:02:30What's your actual answer? Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
JVL01:02:33So I think redoing Who Framed Roger Rabbit with the modern, modern meaning the post Little Mermaid animated cast. So doing less of the Warner Brothers, Looney Tunes and more of all of the people from Disney, who we've come to meet since then, the Aladdin's Genie, the Rescuers, the Simba, all of those people around them, basically making it a Disney ready player one. But as a comedy.
Mike01:03:08With Pixar.
JVL01:03:09With Pixar included. You can even have them animated differently, right? You know, I feel like a remake that's really not. I mean, is a remake in the way that like Ocean's Eleven was a remake. You know, not not a straight remake, but like, you know, hey, we're taking this idea and we're going to play with it and make it our own. I feel like that could do tremendous business. Yeah. It's done well.
Sonny01:03:34Well, I think, yes, though, that is a slight cheat since that's already a live action movie.
JVL01:03:39Kind of. I guess that's right. I guess that's right.
Sonny01:03:42But no, but I think I think that I think that could work. The question is, do that do kids today love Roger Rabbit? And I'm not 100 percent.
JVL01:03:49Nobody loved Roger Rabbit when he came out. He's a brand new character.
Sonny01:03:53Yeah. Right.
JVL01:03:54You just do it again. Like, you know, again, this is and you introduce him. That's the trick of Roger Rabbit was that nobody had any idea who he was, but he's presented as if he's Frank Sinatra and everybody should know exactly who he was. They just do that again. And it's funny that way, I think.
Sonny01:04:12I would say if if I had to pick a movie on on this list that this that has not gotten this kind of live action remake treatment, it would be The Nightmare Before Christmas.
JVL01:04:27Oh, that's a great call.
Sonny01:04:29That would be the nightmare. The Nightmare Before Christmas is is it has a very like I think I think people of, you know, our generation, like my generation anyway, that was like a key. Oh, that was a key thing. Our kids were like my my kids watch it every Halloween and love it. You put that out on a Halloween period in October sometime. It would blow up for Thanksgiving.
JVL01:04:52Plays all the way through Christmas. Make eight hundred million dollars. Boom. Yeah. Yeah.
Mike01:04:59I am kind of surprised, but actually not. No. Having watched it, the original on Disney Plus quite a bit that they've not done this with Peter Pan.
JVL01:05:09But because I think after Hook, can you even do it's like Hook Hook blows.
Mike01:05:15Frankly, Hook is not good.
Sonny01:05:17They did a Peter Pan. They did a live. They did. Peter and Wendy, I think, is. Wasn't a live action Peter Pan. Did they? Twenty twenty three. Yeah. Went straight to Disney Plus. Peter Pan and Wendy. It was directed by David Lowery, I think. Yeah. Directed by David Lowery.
JVL01:05:38I want to say this about Hook. Hook is a terrible movie. Yes. With like three scenes in it that are so good. Yes. That you then forget how terrible the other 97 percent of the movie is. Thousand percent JVL.
Sonny01:05:53Hook is a bad movie, but it's a bad movie that was made by Steven Spielberg. And because Steven Spielberg has an understanding of the language of cinema that is greater than anybody else in the history of the medium, it still looks great and is fun and moves from moment to moment. I've watched that movie the last four or five years, and I remember thinking like, oh, this is fine. It looks good. It's not a great movie. And this is not a classic. I would not, you know, why are they skateboarding? I would not put it in my top ten Steven Spielberg movies or anything. But like it, you know what it is. It's a real fucking movie. It's a it's a real it's an actual motion picture with ideas in terms of how it looks and stuff. I don't know. It's got it's got a fun Dustin Hoffman performance.
JVL01:06:43Yeah. It's got Julia Roberts with short hair. It's got Julia Roberts with that tiny, tiny Julia Roberts with a pixie cut. Oh, and Glenn Close has a old Glenn Close as an old man.
Sonny01:06:57She gets put in the boo box. That's great. That's great. And what's his name? Bob Hoskins. That's right.
Mike01:07:04That's right. That's right.
Sonny01:07:05I like that movie. Again, it's I would not I would not go to the mattress. If somebody was like, pick your favorite Steven Spielberg movie. I would not pick Hook, obviously. But like, I can defend it. I can defend it.
Mike01:07:17I just don't like it. That's fair.
Sonny01:07:19I mean, that's that's also fair. Totally, totally.
JVL01:07:21And I feel like. I grew up on it. There is an edit of that movie, which is sensational.
Mike01:07:27What happened? What happened, JBL? What's your. OK, well, we don't we don't have to go through.
JVL01:07:30No, you take out the you take out the skateboarding and the Lost Boys.
Mike01:07:34Rufio.
JVL01:07:35Oh, yeah. Take out the Lost Boys. Get rid of the Lost Boys. Do like 30 percent less. 30 percent less. Robin Williams anticipating his Goodwill hunting character. And and you've got a movie.
Mike01:07:56Probably.
?01:07:57Probably.
JVL01:07:57All right.
Sonny01:07:57It is way too late. It's two hours and 16 minutes long. That's that's what I totally much.
JVL01:08:02I mean, that there's an hour 40 version of that. That is fantastic.
Mike01:08:08By the way, last note on Lilo and Stitch. I loved figuring out that Kevin MacDonald is the like is the earth. Yeah. The earth expert among the aliens. I was like, well, I was like listening to the voice. I'm like, who is I'm like, oh, it's Kevin MacDonald. Oh, it's great.
JVL01:08:25I love it.
Mike01:08:26Don't disappoint me.
JVL01:08:28All right.
Mike01:08:29Sorry. That's from kids in the hall.
JVL01:08:30That is all the time we're going to give to this episode.
Mike01:08:34Join us over at Sub-Beacon dot com. Leave a comment. Tell us what classic animated Disney film you think would be a hit if they made it into a live action surprise hit. And we'll talk to you next time.
JVL01:08:52But yeah, before we came on the show, I was sort of mapping out what I'm going to write on Friday and I'm going to write about kids sports stuff because it's on my mind. But I came across you guys remember Brian Scalabrini, NBA player, journeyman, NBA player, big redheaded white guy.
Sonny01:09:16Oh, yeah. So he Boston, right?
JVL01:09:21Yeah. Yeah. Because he did something which I did not know, which is he was sort of tired of people on Twitter, like taunting him. And he was like, you guys don't understand. I'm a professional basketball player. Like, I'm I'm not going to Springfield, but like, I could beat your ass. And he was like, you want to play me? Hit me up. And so he like went and played one on one with a bunch of like idiots who thought they could they could play with him. Because like, oh, look at that dude. He sucks. He only averaged one point nine points per game in the NBA over 10 years. Oh, and, you know, like he beat these guys by a combined sixty six to three or something. And and there's a moment where he says, dude, don't you understand that I am closer to LeBron James than you are to me? And it just struck me like the most perfect. The most perfectly devastating insult ever dropped on the playground.
Sonny01:10:28Just made me laugh. Did he did he play these guys like back to back to back? Was it like did he fly them all out? Like what was the unclear?
JVL01:10:35I mean, there's there's YouTube. I think they're different.
Sonny01:10:38Meet me.
JVL01:10:38You know, I'll meet you wherever. Yeah, I think they were different, different things. But that's great. It made me laugh. I'm sure it's fine.
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