#287. 'This Is the Tom Green Documentary' (Prime Video)
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The main event is This Is the Tom Green Documentary, Tom Green's self-directed clip-show autobiography, which the trio finds more interesting as a document of a bizarre pop-culture moment than as a piece of filmmaking. Sonny is fascinated by Tom Green as a specific late-90s/early-2000s phenomenon (the "slut mobile" bit still makes him laugh), tracing his line from a Canadian rap group and Canadian cable access through MTV ubiquity, Road Trip, the disastrous Saturday Night Live hosting gig, and the career-ending flop of Freddy Got Fingered; Mike, the youngest of the three, agrees Tom Green was inescapable in his youth and says the documentary gave him a "greater appreciation" for the man, while JVL — who was in college hating MTV and everyone on it — admits he "wanted him to die" at the time but grants that Green's comedic theory (about how the presence of a camera changes a subject's behavior) is more sophisticated than it looks, and that the film functions mainly as self-justifying promotional material for Green's new stand-up special rather than real autobiography; they also dig into his bitterness toward Jackass for allegedly stealing his shtick and draw a line from Green through Andy Kaufman, Norm Macdonald, Ricky Gervais, and David Letterman to modern YouTube figures like MrBeast. Before that, the opening runs long with Mike welcoming listeners and hyping next week's possible Mythic Quest bonus-episode plan; Sonny's disappointment in the new Stephen King novel Fairytale versus his still-loving Salem's Lot; a debate between Sonny's "completist" instinct and JVL's and Mike's more selective approaches to art; a lengthy tangent into JVL's pitch for a vampire-oligarch business-fiction novel (with detours through Kim Newman's Anno Dracula and Bryan Johnson's erection tweets); youth-basketball coaching updates from both Mike and Sonny about their kids' rebounding struggles and defensive specialties; and a quick box-office rundown covering the Mark Wahlberg/Mel Gibson flop Flight Risk, Wicked's international-vs-domestic split, and the upcoming Dog Man movie.
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Sonny00:00:00My bum is on the cheese! Bum is on the cheese! If I get lucky, I'll get a disease! My bum is on the Swedish! Swedish! Swedish! Swedish!
Mike00:00:20Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who are geniuses. They rigged a pulley system so they can eat sausage and work on their stupid drawings. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at Sub-Beacon.com. Tell your friends and tell your family. If they want to listen to the show, it's a great show. They've got to do it at Sub-Beacon.com. Become a patron. Get new episodes every Friday. Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at Sub-Beacon.com. Tell your friends and tell your family. If they want to listen to the show, get new episodes every Friday. Jonathan V. This is the Tom Green show. This is the Tom Green documentary. Later on in the show, that's going to be a lot of fun. But first, what is going on? Sonny, let's go to you first. What is going on with you? Anything happening in your neck of the woods?
Sonny00:01:37Sonny Bunch No, not really. You had mentioned bonus episodes. I don't want to make any big promises because I feel like we make a lot of promises on this show. Don't do it. I don't know if we make promises.
JVL00:01:52Son, your ego's writing checks your body can't cash.
Sonny00:01:56Exactly, exactly. So I think next week we're going to do, next week our plan, our tentative plan, this is always subject to change. Sure. Depending on the whims of fate, etc. But our tentative plan is to do the first two episodes of Mythic Quest as an episode and then for the rest of the season. The new season of Mythic Quest. The rest of the new season. Yeah, the first two episodes of the new season. And then do the rest of the season as bonus episodes, which I, which I will see. We'll see if we're able to do that. You know, it's a lot of time, a lot of big time commitment. People don't understand how much, you know, effort goes into.
Mike00:02:38So much time.
Sonny00:02:39Recording.
Mike00:02:40But we do it for you, the people.
Sonny00:02:42The people. Anyway, so we're going to try that. We're going to see, we're going to see if we can do, we're going to see if we can pull that off. But that's, anyway, that's. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with me. You know, I just finished reading the recent Stephen King novel Fairytale, and it's one of the first times. It's one of the first time. So I love I love Stephen King. I have read more books by Stephen King than any other author that I own. I feel fairly comfortable saying just looking at the books now, it seems fairly obvious. But the but the. Like, I was it's the first time I've read a book by an author I really like and just been like, this is this is bad, lazy stuff like this is it's one of the one of the few times I've been really disappointed. Like, I'm I'm one of these. I don't know how you guys are. It came out like 2022. So not long ago, a couple years ago. OK, so I picked it up because it was on sale. Some some, you know, like 50 percent off paperback or whatever on sale, which is how I buy most books now because I have a big stack of books I need to read. So like paying full price for a book is an insane thing for people to do. There's a million books out there that are cheap anyway. And I just I bring this up because like, I don't know how you guys are, but I am I'm I'm like a weird like kind of completist, not not a total completist. But if I find if I find an author that I like, I read lots of things, lots of novels that they have written. If I find a musician I like, if I find a musical group I like, I listen to like all of their albums. In perpetuity, right? Does that make sense to you? And this is and usually and usually this all works out. Usually it's like, okay, this if you like a thing, you go with it. And this, I mean, it's it's not it's not like it's, it's not like it's the worst novel I've ever read. But it also just was like, kind of kind of lazily plotted, lazily written. It's it has like a half an idea at the heart of it. I don't know. I king or is it is it more that crime? No, it's not crime. It's it's more horror. It's like fantasy horror. It's it's it is adjacent to some of the Dark Tower stuff really is what is what is going on there. It's not it's not doesn't narrow it down. It's not a Dark Tower book. For the record, for folks who even have any idea what that means. It's not a Dark Tower book. But there are ideas and like lines that are repeated from the Dark Tower books in this that if you are careful, you are a close study of those books, you will you'll notice some similarities. But anyway, I just like man, I and I'm curious if this has happened to you where you where you guys are like, longtime fans of a artist of whatever stripe, like all their stuff, and then they do something. It's just like, this is fucking terrible. I might be I might be out. I might be I might be out like, you know, so what does it mean to be out like, you're you're done? Read reading new Stephen King things? Is
Mike00:05:49that what you're contemplating? Or you're done considering yourself a fan of Stephen King?
Sonny00:05:54I think just I think mostly just kind of, maybe it's just the new stuff. Because I still I like I have also recently reread for the first time since high school Salem's Lot. I reread Salem's Lot because there was that new Salem's Lot movie was coming out. But also I just I remember liking it. And it still is really good. It's a really, it's like, it's, you know, there's, is it about weird authors? estate? What's that? Is it about real estate? vampires and real estate? Oh, vampires and vampires and real estate. But the you know, when people talk about Stephen King, they often treat him as like totally trash, you know, not literature, you know, it's easily disposable won't won't won't last after he's gone. And I think that's true for most of what he has written. But that's true for most of what anybody ever writes. That said, some of some of the stuff, particularly in the 70s and 80s, gets close to literature in the sense that he is capturing, he's capturing a place and a time and a specific feel. And they're like, I have read few novels that as expertly capture the idea of like America in decline in the 1970s, as Salem's Lot does. I mean, it is just like, it is a book that drips with malaise. It's, it's, it's got that vibe to it. Anyway, I don't know. So, so the old stuff I think is still fine, but man, I don't know. It might be done, might be done with newer, newer stuff.
Mike00:07:26I, I feel like JVL, you, that the new Star Wars trilogy, I feel like I, you've said this before that it's basically ruined Star Wars for you.
JVL00:07:39Yeah, it has. I mean, there's a level of, there's a level of bad that can ruin something. But I would say, I mean, I, I understand the urge to be a completist, but I take a very different tack with my consumption, which is if I find some, some creator, meaning whether it's a band or an author or, you know, in comics, a comic book writer, and I really like it, I'll go out and just start devouring like everything of theirs I can find until I hit something I don't like, at which point I'm done. Like, and it doesn't, it doesn't mean I'm done for forever, but it just. It just means that if I'm going to go back to this person, it's going to be because they've put out a, a piece of creative work, which other people are talking about and are suggesting. So I will no longer just take it on faith. Does that make sense in, yeah, I don't know if this is, this is neither fair nor unfair. It's just, that's the way I happen to approach these things. Like I'm not an actual completist. I'm a completist about many types of things in collection, but not art. Uh, with art, like, you know, I'll, I'll ride the streak for as long as it'll take me. And then when I hit something bad and not just like middling, but like bad, then I'm like, okay, I'm done. I'll, I'll go do something else. And if somebody tells me like, Oh no, this other thing is really good. I'll I'm open to checking it out, but you know, yeah.
Mike00:09:08Right. How about, how about you know, where are you on that? Well, so that, that I do a thing where I am a completionist, but I determine what when, where the collection is complete. And so when, when like, you know, when there's like a couple bad albums or bad movies, I'm just like, well, they don't, they don't count. Like I've got my cannon and I'm gonna enjoy my cannon and I'm not going to, you know, concern myself with the terrible Rolling Stones albums of the 1980s because they're not, I know it's not technically true, but in my mind, in my head cannon, like they're not real Rolling Stones albums. Cause like the Rolling Stones last album happened, you know, was emotional rescue. And even that's not that great, but like, you know, and so that's a way for me to just, because at the end I'm consuming art or what, you know, whatever it is, pop culture for myself. So like, if I don't like it, then it's just not part of it.
Sonny00:10:13That makes sense.
JVL00:10:14I think that's fair digression. I don't think I've ever told you guys this, but I have in my head of vampire novel that I've always wanted to write, which is really, uh, it's, it's business fiction. And the hook is that vampires, what makes them interesting is the immortality because the immortality create as economic entities basically turns them into living corporations. And so their investment time horizon stretches to infinity, which gives them unbelievable power because they can, as you said, like you said, vampires in real estate, you know, you just buy up little chunks of real estate, keep buying it up. And because you live forever, you're going to keep compounding wealth. And so we wind up in a world where all of the richest people are vampires.
Sonny00:11:06Well, is the, are the vampires known to the public or are they still, or do they have like secret vampire identities?
JVL00:11:13I think that they become semi known. I, I, I think that's part of it. And like, we're living in a world where the oligarchs are actual vampires. This could be a boom. Who's the Korean director. I don't know how to say his name, but, uh, who, who, the parasite guy, this could be a, this could be a movie for him to direct.
Mike00:11:32Well, I was thinking like, you know, what does that look like in terms of sort of from, from country to country, like different corporate cultures, right? Like the, the right. Is that what they're called in Japan? You know, like Mitsubishi, like these, like, like, like, so, like the Japanese vampire corporations are like run differently than the big, you know, the American ones or the, uh, or the Norwegian, you know, uh, uh, big, Ooh, I like this JVL.
Sonny00:12:00There's a get right. There's a, there's a JBL. Have you read the Anno Dracula series? Are you aware of this? No. So there's a, there's a series of books by Kim Newman. Um, that basically it basically takes like, all right, what if Bram Stoker's Dracula was real? Right. And plops it into, uh, I guess, Victorian England. Um, and, uh, in the midst of the book there, there are other, there are other, uh, elements of kind of Victorian fiction, but like, and, and reality like Jack, the ripper is a, is a character in this, but like the idea is essentially that, uh, Dracula marries the queen of England and becomes the queen consort, but is really the power because you know, Dracula, um, and it like totally, it totally changes English society because, and everybody wants to be a vampire. Everybody wants to like become a vamp. They come out of the coffin, so to speak. Everybody wants to be a vampire cause that's, you know, the new royalty. It's kind of interesting. It's a similar idea, but not, not, not quite the same thing.
JVL00:13:05In my story, the vampires are very reticent to turn people into other vampires because it is an essential, it's not in their economic interest. Right. So they're constantly trying to, to, to balance. Like I got to make sure that I exist within society's conventions so that they will allow me to exist and not, uh, Van Helsing me. But, uh, but also I want to make sure that I can buy and sell these, these meat bags.
Sonny00:13:31Well, and they could be like, they could be like Brian Johnson figures, right? They could be sucking the blood of a variety of young men through, through, uh,
Mike00:13:41Peter Thiel characters. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be great. It'd be great, great, great. He'd be Michael. How are you buddy? Erections. Uh, I am fine. Uh, Erections. Wasn't that what you were talking about? Yeah. You didn't see that JVO. The guy who was Brian Johnson, this guy who's going to live forever, who, uh, tweeted about measuring both his and his 19 year old son's nighttime erections. And it was just, just go Google, just go, go, go, go, go search this on, just Google Brian Johnson erections. I'm sure to do it from your work computer. Okay. Speaking of ACDC, um, uh, so, uh, what's going on with me? I don't know. I mean, it's, it is, uh, we're in the thick of basketball season and, um, honestly we're having a great time. Yeah. Are you guys ranked top first grade basketball? Uh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're in the first grade top 20. The Oh, yeah. The tournament invitation is just a fait accompli at this point. It's been fun, actually. I know there was some trepidation from this crew about it, but we've been having a good time. The kids are really into it. I feel like we're getting a little better every week, and I really still have no idea what I'm doing. But for instance, in our game last week, we had a good time, but I noticed like rebounds, which is constantly the issue with kids, right? It's like getting kids to like follow the shot. Box out. Get your arms up to bring down the ball. Jaden, put a body on him. Exactly. So I noticed that that was something we need to work on. So I came up with a couple drills at practice two days later. We worked on it a little bit. Um, and, and I'm seeing a little improvement. So that's great. That's fun. Um, my drills, what drills? Yeah. Um, I mean, I, so on, uh, on rebounding first, I just did like a, again, these are first graders. So like part of it was me and my assistant coach, like demonstrating what boxing out was like, you know, um, that, you know, when the ball goes up there, use your body to get in front. Of anybody else on the other team, box them out, get the arms up, get, get in the right position. Um, and then we just did like two lines and threw the ball up. And, um, you know, the goal was to, was to get that, get the, the rebound. Um, you know, and which, which line, which team of four kids on each side got the most rebounds kind of thing. Um, just get them in the, in the, in the mind. Set of your, your fighting with somebody else to get that rebound. Right. Um, are they playing on 10 foot rims? Uh, eight, eight, eight. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah. So, um, uh, yeah, this level, it's eight feet. And, and then we also had to do another drill of like working on man to man defense because they, they're still a little, not just man to man, but sort of that making sure they're shuffling rather than you don't want to be chasing after. Right. Uh, you know, your opponent, uh, you want to be shuffling with them, staying with them, staying in between them and the basket, them in the basket or thing. Right. Three points to find a line over and over again. Three points to find a line. Yes. Yes. All of that. So, and then it was, and then I realized actually the best thing to do is to spend the last 30 minutes of our hour long practice just in scrimmage, like in a scrimmage where I can blow the whistle, uh, you know, throughout and just be like, Hey, when that happened, what you need to do was do this, what you, and all of that. And it's kind of working out well. So, um, so that's fun. Um, I will say that I think, I think my fourth graders team, which I'm not coaching. I just, I keep the score. Um, when, when they need somebody, I just, but, uh, this is the third season that, that he's been on this team, same coach. Most of the same players every year. Um, and they're good. They're not like, they're not like, uh, advanced, you know, it's not, there's the advanced and there's the regular or the rec league. Um, but they're, I would say they've, they've gotten very good, uh, as a, as a team. And, uh, I think, I think we may be like sort of at the limit of where this team should be and maybe should bump up to advance next year because, uh, the team won their game on Saturday by 36 points. This is a league where it's not unusual for the cumulative score to fall below 36 points. Um, it was just so like we were trying to figure out, and the thing is, is like where the team's not aggressive, the team's not, um, you know, we have played against teams in past seasons where like, it's very clear that coach is trying to drive up the score as much as possible. Like, it's not our bag. It's not the thing that our team does. Um, the other team was just kind of awful. Uh, and, and, and a way that was, you could really see the difference between like, uh, it doesn't take much, but like a coach who knows what he's doing and a coach who really doesn't. And I feel for that other coach because he's just a dad like me, just trying to get through the week and get some practices in. And, but it was brutal. So that's what's going on with us.
Sonny00:19:42My, uh, my six-year-old is playing basketball right now. And it's, and it's interesting because he's, he's still very, he's still like, I would say he's one of the smaller kids on the team, but not the smallest and cannot like, he literally cannot shoot the ball up to the eight foot rim. Like he just, he literally physically is like unable to do it. And like, I I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out some drills to, to get him better at that, but he just needs to, you know, build up arm strength a little bit anyway. Um, but the thing he can do is play defense. The thing he can do. And the thing he loves doing is, I don't know how your league is, uh, Mike, but in our league, they're not allowed to, they're not allowed to like try and steal the, you can't reach in and try and steal the ball. You have to have your hands up in the air and you, and you basically just like, you can't, you can't play real defense, but you can kind of smother people. And he smothers people. He's just like on top of them, like white on rice, baby. Like just, you just got his arms up in their face to the extent that he was, he was matched up. So I don't know, again, I don't know how your league does it, but we have like wristbands. Yeah. So you have to like guard the guy with your wristband and the guy he was guarding with his wristband eventually just started grabbing my, my son's arms and like pulling them down out of the way, which, uh, which was, you know, uh, not, that's not what you're supposed to do. It's not what you're, that's not what you're supposed to, but, uh, but no, he's, and like, he's, what's that? This is the whitest stuff. I
JVL00:21:12have ever heard. It's, I mean, it's, the kids are wearing colored wristbands. They have to match up. No, it's, it's basketball. Yeah. I never, I never played rec league baseball or basketball. So I have no idea what this is. This is all, again, all I ever played before middle school was pickup basketball. Yeah. I, I only ever played, I never played any organized basketball. I only ever played pickup basketball on the street. Um, but, uh, anyway, so the, um, so he, he is very, and he can, he can rebound.
Sonny00:21:42But when he rebounds, if he, if he gets a defensive rebound, he'll dribble it up and then like stop and panic and be like, who do I throw it to? Cause I can't shoot. Right. Who do I throw it to? I gotta, I gotta throw it to somebody. And when he gets an offensive rebound, it's the same thing just without the dribbling. He's like, I gotta get rid of the ball, which, uh, again, would be nice to work on him on. But like, I'm, I'm like, I am happy that he has found a thing that he is good at in this sport that he's not good at, you know, like it, it works. He's a defensive specialist. He's the Dennis Rodman of this
Mike00:22:12team. It's crazy. But can I say Sonny with, with my oldest, my now 10 year old, when he started playing, that is what I encouraged him to do was just focus on defense and rebounds. He was among the tallest kids and remains one of the tallest kids on the team. Um, and that, I don't know if you'll find this with your son, but that gave him the confidence to feel like I know what to do when I'm on the court and he has become Uh, more impressive on offense as a result, I think. So like, it's just giving basketball, especially, it just feels like giving the kids some role to play and to fulfill, um, in, which is of course very important. It's very important to be somebody who can get a rebound or who can make that right. Anyway, no, but it's, it's good. It's fun. Um, and, uh, and, uh, I, I love, I love youth basketball and it's developmental JVL. So like the wristbands go away in our league after the second grade team. So after the second grade season, you then, then it's, it's still supposed to be man to man, but it's, it's not, it's, there is a, I've now seen this for several seasons where there's a progression of, you know, for instance, my fourth graders team, they steal all the time. It's right. It's how they went up 36 points the last game. So, uh, all right. Well, uh, that's, uh, that's, I guess that's all that's going on. Should we, uh, what about JVL? I want to talk about Tom Green. So let's, let's, let's quickly move on to box office talk. Um, number one this week, flight risk. I'm going to say, I don't quite know which, what movie this is. Flight risk.
Sonny00:24:12Mark Wahlberg as the bald killer. Oh, I thought that already came out. The movie. So it's very funny. And now it's out last week, last weekend. The, uh, the trailers for this movie were like from the director of Braveheart, Apocalypto and Hacksaw Ridge. And it was like, oh, what's his name? Oh, who is that guy? What's his name? Wait, say, you want to say his name? Uh, no, but it was, uh, direct. So Mel Gibson directed Mark Wahlberg's Star Wars. As a guy who was trying to kill, um, uh, what's his name from the, that 70s show, uh, Toe for Grace. Thank you. Uh, trying to kill Toe for Grace on an airplane. And one of the ladies from, uh, Downton Abbey is a Marshall trying to get him to safety. And it, the movie's terrible. Um, but it's not, it's not terrible. It's not terrible. It's interesting because there, there are things about that, about it that are really good. Like Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg playing deranged evil guy is like my preferred Mark Wahlberg mode. He's kind of shifted into like suburban dad who was also like really good at, you know, uh, is like kind of a superhero, right? Like family plan, whatever. Um, I, I, like, I don't love that mode of Mark Wahlberg or like Transformers, right? Like that. That's where I don't love that mode of Mark Wahlberg. I like it when he's being a little bit deranged and he's very deranged in this movie. The problem is he's only, you know, he's only on screen and conscious for like 30 minutes of the 95 minute runtime or something. Like he spends a lot of the movie like chained up in the back of the airplane, knocked out so they can, they can create the Russell Crowe. It's just, just, it's dumb. It's like, I don't understand why. I don't understand why you would do that. Uh, anyway. Um, how did it do? So it got a half million dollars, 11 and a half million dollars, which is fine for a movie like this. I mean, I think, I think the whole thing probably costs like 20 million bucks. It looks cheap as shit. I mean, it like, it's the, the, the opening sequence is at the very least. So the opening sequence takes place in a motel in Alaska. At the very least, there is a lot of like very cheap CGI. Like there's a very cheap CGI moose at one point. At worst, like it may have been like AI generated. It looks like absolute dog shit. So there's like, there's nothing in this movie that approaches. The moose has three antlers. What's that? The moose has three antlers. No, no, the moose was definitely CGI, but like they show like, they show like exteriors of this motel and it like, it just looks like the fakest thing you've ever seen. Like going to a motel and shooting an actual motel would probably be cheaper than whatever like terrible CGI rendering they, they use for this. Um, anyway, uh, so not Mel Gibson's best work is what you're saying. No, it's, and it's disappointing because I actually really like Mel Gibson's movies. I, Apocalypto is a fucking banger. Uh, Braveheart's great. Um, Hacksaw Ridge is an interesting movie because I don't think the first half works. And then the second half is like one of the most viscerally brutal war movies I've ever seen. It's cringing guts everywhere. Um, anyway. All right. Disappointing. Uh, well, but we're, I mean, we're really to, to keep it on box office here for a second. We're really going, we're, we're maybe knee deep already into like,
Mike00:27:41a fallow period at the box office. I mean, it's, yeah, there's not much coming up. You got, how was the Lion King at number two? Wicked is way down. It's, it's number 11 on the list. It is, it, it, it's just under $500 million. Um, it is, it is going to have to release it. Yeah. It is not far behind. I want to do wicked, wicked. I mean, wicked, wicked.
Sonny00:28:11Wicked's doing fine. It's, uh, what is, what's the worldwide on that worldwide? So what's interesting is that wicked has, has, uh, almost doubled its domestic gross compared to international. So usually like once upon a time, the standard release pattern was like about 33% international, 33% domestic, 67% international. And it's almost flipped on wicked, which is, which is kind of interesting. Um, but that you see that more and more these days. It is not, that is not an unusual thing really. And does the wizard of Oz have any, uh, cachet, uh, internationally? Like, is it something that, well, that's the thing is that it wizard of Oz is very much an American thing. Um, but wicked has wicked has traveled around the world. I mean, they're like that, that has performed all over. So I don't, I don't know. I like, I, I, it's, it's interesting. I don't, I don't know what the actual, what the actual reason is, but I would assume that it's mostly like wizard of Oz is not a.
JVL00:29:11Is not, is not really an international thing, but also, you know, uh, Broadway musical adaptations. I suspect American music don't travel. Yeah. Right. I mean, like the international, if you go look, what is the international gross on Chicago or, uh, lay Ms. Or any of these other. Yeah. Broadway musicals. Yeah. That, that sounds about right. But we've got, I mean, in terms of, in terms of forthcoming movies, what there's the curious. To see how this dog man movie does like, Oh, dog man. I forgot about dog kids. Do your kids read the dog man books? We just did this with G money. Like starting four weeks ago, we were at the comic shop and the nice comic book shop guy says to, to G, Hey, you, uh, you read dog man. And G says, no, my friends do though. And he says, you know, pick up a copy of this. I think you'll like it. And later that night I had to order all seven hardcover volumes and
Sonny00:30:11he just loves it. And he runs around singing, uh, sprinkle, sprinkle, little fart and all the silly music. So yeah, it's the worst. So is that coming out this weekend? It's coming out this weekend. So I, I, I'm, I'm fascinated by this because I like, I, I don't get the sense that it is. I don't get the sense that it is tracking for huge numbers. I don't get the sense that audiences are like super aware of it, but I know my kids, every time we go to the theater, like cake and we go see that when the trailer plays for dog, man. So I, I like there's, I, I am fascinated by the state of film marketing because I feel like, what's that? Did you like the captain underpants movie? I didn't see that. I didn't see that. I thought it was me neither. Did that, did that come out in theaters? I think it was out in theaters. I saw it at home, not in theaters, but I thought it was quite funny actually. I think, and I went into that knowing nothing
Mike00:31:11about it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Pilkey universe. Yeah, I really, I thought I was shocked at how funny I thought it was because like nothing about the animation style or that brand of humor normally appeals to me. I mean, the, the books are clever, um, either cruder than I would like, um, especially with a toddler around, like it's just, it is coarsened things. Um, but whatever. Uh, by the way, Sonny, you mentioned the marketing. Oh, I hate those books. I hate them and I wish they did not exist, but my kids love them. So whatever the, uh, the speaking of the marketing, this movie. So my 10 year old has ever since seeing the trailer for dog man has become obsessed with the daft punk song harder, better, faster, stronger, uh, which is featured in the, like he refers to as the dog man song. And, um, there was a time maybe like two or three weeks ago where he must have added asked Alexa to play it like 30 times in a row, like one, like weekend. It just played over and over, which I like daft punk. Like, you know, I know that song very well, but it's just like it, it is repetitive by its very nature. And you know, there's like 10 lyrics in the holes fricking song. And, um, I, I think, I think I, uh, cannot listen to it now for, for like years because of that. So did, have you played him
Sonny00:32:41Sam, uh, have you played them the, uh, Kanye sampled version?
Mike00:32:46Uh, no. I mean, I, I, I love that album, that Kanye album. Um, I have, but you have not given
Sonny00:32:52them, you have not given them a graduation. Is that, is that what album it's on? It's
Mike00:32:57on graduation. And no, I mean, graduation is not giving them the explicit, the explicit version. Uh, it's great because, because not only, I mean, speaking of something we've talked about recently on the show there, uh, that album, uh, sample so many great things, uh, Steely Dan, uh, Kid Charlemagne on, um, uh, on, I believe, uh, the second track on, on that album. Um, do you realize champion champion is the name of the song? Do you realize that album? You are a champion. Oh, it's so every, every track on that album is so as a white person. Let me just say, speaking of very white conversation anyway, uh, why don't we move on to talk about something else from the early two thousands, uh, late nineties, early two thousands, uh, popular culture, like, like Daft Punk, uh, the Tom Green documentary that, uh, that we watched. It's the Tom Green documentary. Sonny, do you want to give us a big boy review of this flick?
Sonny00:34:01Before, before we discuss, this is the Tom Green documentary starring Tom Green, directed by Tom Green, produced by Tom Green. Uh, before we discuss that, I want to ask JBL how far he got into this documentary before he turned it off and discussed and walked away.
JVL00:34:19I made it pretty far. Like, I think I, I think I, I think I only tapped out with like 15 minutes left.
Sonny00:34:27Okay. Okay. You didn't miss much. No. Uh, so I am, I'm fascinated by Tom Green because I hate him so much. Well, so this is, this is the thing is that I, I, uh, I find Tom Green to be very interesting because I think he is very, he is very representative of a phenomenon that is like, if you were between the ages of 15 and 22 in 1999, go down a little
Mike00:34:56bit on that, by the way, it's cause I was not yet 15, but, but I, I, I'm in this cohort.
Sonny00:35:03Did you, let me finish what I was going to say. If you're between, if you're between the ages of 15 and 22, you, you both experienced. And loved and then kind of reviled Tom Green in a, in a very short period of time. There was, there was a moment where he was everywhere. He was everywhere in pop culture and he was everywhere on MTV. Um, and, uh, and he was doing a thing that may not have been quite unique, but was unique enough that it felt wholly fresh and original and weird. And that nothing but that for, uh, for like 18 straight months on, on the, the, the network, the, the national network of the youth, you know? Um, and I, I like there's, there's a, it's, it's interesting. The documentary draws a line between like you go from, uh, you go from Tom Green to like Jackass to like Joe Rogan. Like he, he, like there's this whole kind of interesting universe of things that either exist or, uh, or were, were at least sparked in part by Tom Green and his very weird, um, sense of humor and his very weird persona and, and the kind of, uh, in your face grossness of it all that, uh, that, that, that we speaking of coarsening the culture, I think probably
JVL00:36:36coarsened, coarsened, coarsened the culture just a little bit.
Sonny00:36:41Like, uh, oh, I mean, before Freddie got fingered came out. So Freddie got fingered comes out in what, 2001 or 2002, 2001, 2001. And by that time he was, he was totally played out. Like people hated that movie. People hated him in it. They were like, why are we being subjected to Tom Green still? Um, this is, this is, we don't like, we don't like this anymore. And he kind of went away. He, he, he, he really, he, he went away. He went away for a while. And like he, there have been a series of like Tom Green talk shows that have come back over the years. And, you know, he is, um, he's, he's kind of been on the periphery, but like he has not, I like, there was, again, there was like an 18 month stretch where he was everywhere. And then he kind of disappeared because people got tired of him. And I find, I, again, I find, I find this all very interesting because it is a very specific kind of phenomenon and I live through it. So this is like my, this is like one of the things. That I've, you know, kind of experienced and lived through and have, uh, and, and, and I, I assume is kind of an eternal recurrence sort of thing, but also I don't, I don't, I haven't lived through other ones. So I don't, I don't, you know, anyway, the Tom Green, this is the Tom Green documentary, uh, shows his, the stuff he was doing before MTV, which again is very much like what he was doing on MTV. But it was kind of interesting. Like, I didn't know he was in a, uh, a Canadian. A Canadian rap group called Organized Rhyme. He won a Juno. He won a Juno. Or was nominated, won a Juno or was nominated for a Juno. He won a Juno. Won a Juno. You know, that's a, that's a real, that's a real accomplishment. Uh, and then he does, he does, you know, Canadian cable access and he's on the CBC and then he goes to MTV and it's crazy. I mean, this all happens in like a three year stretch, basically like a four, three or four year stretch. Um, and it's, again, it's just very interesting kind of watching all of this play out. And I'll say I still. Like, I, I don't know about you guys, but the, uh, the slut mobile bit where he repainted his dad's car with, uh, two lesbians, uh, very graphic pornographic on each other. Uh, and I was like falling off my couch laughing at that because I was, I hadn't seen that in probably 20 years and it's still a very funny bit. It is, it is the, it's the humor. It is, it is the sort of humor that I think would be. Refined and perfected in later years by Ricky Gervais, this kind of cringe, uncomfortable humor that was, I mean, Ricky Gervais is doing a different thing, obviously, because it's all fiction. He was doing essentially a real life version of that cringe, um, offense based humor. And he was doing it in a way that is, again, it's like, it's not funny, but it's so not funny. It is funny. I, I. I just don't know how to, I don't know how to describe it, except, except to say that it was a genuine phenomenon. He was everywhere. He was doing, as we see in the documentary, he's, he's doing Pepsi commercials.
JVL00:39:52He is in a Todd Phillips movie.
Sonny00:39:55He was in road, you know, he's, he's like a co-star in road trip. That's one of the reasons that movie did so well. It's one of the reasons why they gave him his own movie. Freddie got fingered, uh, and, and let him direct it, which is an insane thing to, to, to let happen. Uh, I don't know. He, he was a genuine cultural phenomenon. It was a genuine cultural phenomenon and kind of disappeared after getting cancer. Really did just kind of disappear, um, out into the memory of society. Was he a fad? What's that?
JVL00:40:31Was he a fad?
Sonny00:40:33Was he a fad?
JVL00:40:35That's a good question. Kind of. I don't know. Was he? What do you think? I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm, I'm only asking a question. I actually don't have a, an answer for it.
Sonny00:40:44Yeah. I don't know. I mean, he's, he's a fad in the sense that any, I guess, flash in the pan cultural phenomenon is, uh, he's, you know what he is? He's, uh, he's Bart Simpson. Uh, Bart Simpson saying, um, eat my shorts. Well, no, but like, what's, what's the episode where he goes on, he like knocks over the set on the Krusty the Clown show and he's like, I didn't do it. Like that's, that was, that was Tom. It was the equivalent of that, right? Tom Green was basically saying, I didn't do it for 18 months straight. And then he came out and did it one day and everyone was like, eh, this, this guy still. And that's, I like, again, that's, it's an interesting thing. It's a short lived thing. I found, I found the documentary incredibly entertaining, but again, it mostly just because it reminded me of that first burst of energy. And I, this is why I asked the question, JBL, because you were older and I assumed you weren't as immersed in that whole like youth high school boy scene, uh, since you were no longer a young high school aged person. Um, I assume you kind of looked at this and like, what the fuck?
JVL00:41:59No, I looked at it and I thought, I want you to die. That's what I looked at it.
Sonny00:42:08Um, that's the JBL version of what the fuck.
JVL00:42:11So Tom green and I are roughly the same age. He's a little bit older. And my, so I was in college when all of this started happening. So when the Tom green thing happened, I was going through the worst years of my life. And I, I hated everything about MTV. I hated the entire idea of MTV. I hated the people who watched MTV. I hated the people who were featured on MTV. Programs, the MTV spring break. I remember somebody putting that on in the dorms over my actual real spring break as I was sitting, trying desperately to dig out of the hole I was in on biochem. Right. You know, like spring break again. Um, I, I think it is almost literally true that I can count on two hands. The number of people I knew who had sex in college, not, not who were verging the college, because these are people who had like banged it out in high school, but hit college and spent four years basically just trying not to die because they were drowning in work. And, uh, and I, I just remember all of this to me, the experience was trying desperately to master biochemistry and differential equations in the hopes that I could someday get into medical school and save people's lives and make enough money to live in a suburban house. And Tom Green is like, I put bacon on my face fuckers and everybody's just like clapping like seals. And so I, I hated him. I resented him. I resented all of the people who were cheering for him. The people who saw him as some sort of godfather figure, because that's the, the, the role he played was he would, you would see, you see some of this in the documentary, you know, he goes out on the street and people like Tom Green. I love you, Tom. What's up? And I, I The fact that those people were going to grow up and also be able to get jobs without hurting themselves or hating their lives at all made me viscerally, deeply angry and resentful. And, uh, and so I, again, I cannot, this is not shtick. This is not something new. Having watched this, this was, I hated him at the time. And every time I saw him on a Pepsi ad, it was like being hit in the back of the head with a hammer and being reminded of how unfair life was.
Sonny00:44:51That sounds about right.
JVL00:44:53So, I mean, I have some deeper thoughts, but I want to hear your experience first, Michael.
Mike00:44:59Um, okay. Well, all right. So I am, I am the youngest on this podcast and I do think that, and I was thinking about this, I watched it by myself, but I was recounting with my wife afterward, so many of the things that popped up and I re and so I was of an age where, um, if I wasn't like watching the Tom Green show every week, because I was a little too young to just be like popping MTV on, um, like I couldn't, like you couldn't escape Tom Green, even if you weren't watching it. I think this is a big part of your point, Sonny. Um, and just, we were just recounting all the things that we remember that we had forgotten that he touched, whether it was the Pepsi commercials or the bum bum song, um, or as they talk about like M and M's, uh, interpolation, if you will, of the bum bum song in. Yes, exactly. Um, and, uh, and so, so, so Tom Green was just this, this presence in my youth that was inescapable. And I wasn't, I didn't even, I didn't even love him. It was just like this thing that he was this thing that just was. And I agree, Sonny. And then all of a sudden he was not. Um, and I saw road trip. Like I loved, I loved road trip and it was like, Oh, there's Tom Green. Uh, road trip, road trip was the peak of Tom Green. I think that was like, that was, that was also young Horatio Sands. What's that? Yes. Also young Horatio Sands. Um, and, um, and Breckenmire and, uh, anyway, um, DJ, DJ, DJ, that guy. Sorry. Um, he got his own movie. Remember he got his own movie at one point. Um, DJ calls did. Um, so the, I, I also, so the other like thing that I remember about Tom Green, which I believe, and I am, it is confirmed by this, uh, by this documentary. Was his, uh, appearance, his hosting of Saturday Night Live. This was like, I want to say 2000 episode, the Drew Barrymore thing. And I truly believe that that was the, that was the moment where everyone went, eh, uh, no, no thanks. And like, I remember things of that, that I thought were maybe funny, but like, I look back now and like, they were just weird. Uh, Tom Green stuff like, uh, there was a sketch where he and Will Ferrell, I believe are like, they're like chickens or, or birds or eagles or something. And they're like dressed up and they're like, you know, putting food, you know, chewed up food. And it was very Tom Green, but the, the, the fake wedding at the end, I remember that being such a huge letdown and also confusing in a sort of like, okay, is he Andy Kaufman? And this is all for show. Is it work? Is it real? And if it is real, or if it's a work, why is it not as funny as it should be? And I just feel like that moment to work with in payoff when it was, yes, when it was all, I think it was out of his control in a way, like in the way he was able to control things in on his show, uh, in the songs and in some ways in the movies, like something about the live aspect of Saturday Night Live, the clashing of his style with theirs and the buildup and letdown of it. Just that feels like the beginning of the end of the Tom Green phenomenon for me. And, um, yeah. And then like, then you've got like Freddie got fingered, which everyone thought of my age when that came out, I was like 13 was like, what the fuck is this? Like, this is not funny. This is not road trip. What about road trip? What happened to road trip? I thought this was going to be like road trip. It was going to be like that movie, but even more so this sucks. I'm done stealing Harvard blue. Uh, we're done with Tom Green. So it was, but it was a nice kind of the, the documentary. I, I have a greater appreciation for Tom Green, the person after watching the documentary. That's my other, my other thought on, on this. Um, and I feel like condensing Tom Green's entire existence into 90 minutes is about the perfect amount of Tom Green. Yes. And like I say, I say
Sonny00:49:40this agreeing with you mike that i think he i think he is kind of more interesting as a person after having watched this uh in the sense that like again there there's a lot of stuff that went into this that didn't know about and and his own personal you know uh battle against cancer which
Mike00:49:57i like had kind of known about but you know i remember that but i didn't know the extent of
Sonny00:50:02how serious it was for instance right right right right so i i like again i and and again you you hit the you hit if you just hit the the the high points of his humor which most of them involved like tormenting his parents which i all that stuff i still find very very funny i you know but like uh yeah no i i feel like 90 minutes or so is about enough is a is about enough top green
Mike00:50:31so so my my assessment of him is he is a suburban canadian kid and you have to understand that to kind of understand him and his humor and his career he is you know i think canadians as a as a whole particularly the entertainment industry you know there's a chip on their shoulder about being kind of you know they want to break out in america they're always sort of self-conscious about being canadian sometimes they use that as kind of fuel sometimes they use it as a kind of um as a kind of excuse or or whatever and i just think that that permeates uh in in kind of his his story um you can tell he's very bitter and i i read the um the new york times style section had a had a basically companion piece that goes with this documentary and and it comes out a little more in that piece he's very bitter about jackass and um tell me more oh yeah the feeling that he was you know he had this cancer treatment and and he was basically i'm not producing shows while i'm recovering from cancer uh and that mtv kind of swooped in with jackass and that jackass essentially stole the idea of tom green of the tom green show and what tom green was about and he's got a point uh it's just true isn't it i mean yeah totally but they also did it better well so this is interesting today i always hated jackass too so so what's interesting is how much they truly draw from it like i remember when jackass came out and then we would go back and watch like the old camp kill yourself sonny you remember the camp kill yourself videos oh yeah the the bam margara side of the jackass empire um and and like you know they would like go skateboarding and they would play their music and then they would go um they would go like terrorize his parents and his uncle and all that stuff like they were just they were just doing tom green shtick and um and i think they did it they did it more commercial in a more commercially uh accessible way um they were and i think tom green feels like that like he doesn't get the credit for it i feel like some of this documentary is really like him trying to look back on his life and feel like i did something that was more than just be a flash in the pan and put my put my bum on things um i don't know if that's necessarily true i mean there's some truth to it i feel like the joe rogan thing is so much more of a stretch like i'm sorry all of that tom green like late 2000s stuff it's like it's beyond what i was paying attention he was not on my cultural radar i did an internet talk
Sonny00:53:29show and you know who else does an internet talk show joe rogan
Mike00:53:32the number one internet talk show which was my idea it's like really i don't know yeah i feel
JVL00:53:38like that would have been figured out i mean the so this is what i i was going to ask you guys the purpose of this movie which is a an autobiography not a documentary um seems to be both self-justification uh an attempt to place himself in a cultural pantheon and then to kickstart himself into something new
Sonny00:54:09fair yes right i mean this is he's got like he's got some new show coming out on he's got a stand
JVL00:54:16up he's got a stand-up special yeah yeah so this is basically like promotional material yeah correct and so i don't think it succeeds really as autobiography because it's uh it's not ultimately
Mike00:54:31right and which he lampshades from the very beginning he does lampshade from the beginning
JVL00:54:36right and he and so at that point like okay an autobiography that that so it basically it's a clip show right i mean we're we're just gonna take it's like the episode of you know the one episode of the season on the the cosby show where instead of taping a new show they tape three minutes of new material and then just replay really good gags from the rest of the season hey remember when we time at christmas yeah yeah that that's what this is it's a clip show and he i will say but it's
Mike00:55:07also i'm sorry no no go ahead all i was gonna say is but it's but that's okay because i feel like there's no there's no sleight of hand here like there's nothing that it's all very obvious to to me what what it is and he like i says and he lampshades it and um and that's fine like what what is this what is the industry if not like trying to figure out ways to promote yourself and your projects and this is just a part of it and i don't know kind of wanted the val kilmer documentary
JVL00:55:42i'd prefer the val kilmer documentary about tom green okay i mean i i will say this there there are a couple things i i had wanted to to talk about the first of which is he has a very and maybe somebody else has made this observation but i think it's him and not somebody else he says that essentially mtv was internet culture in like the analog age and i i'd never really thought of mtv that way but i think that's right yes you could think of mtv as a linear stream of the internet imagine that the internet was only one channel and it's it came out linearly that's basically what mtv was it was common culture for for the people who would become the internet generation i thought that was clever um i also so green is not he's not to my taste and his comedy is not to my taste but he's not stupid and i think his approach to comedy is more sophisticated than it looks and i think the the autobiography here actually shows that a little bit and i kept thinking about the difference between tom green who happens pre-internet and then i'm pre-internet pre-youtube and then what you know all of the new tom greens come from youtube right in a way mr beast is tom green it's totally different but it's the same yeah and the i i wanted to make a point that i wanted to make a point that i think is maybe a little bit profound um the difference is that when tom green was coming up the way you succeeded was by creating product for the audience in the youtube age you succeed by creating product for the algorithm and the algorithm is not the audience and this is why i think however you know i mean mr beast is about as big as tom green like the new yorkers written profiles of him he's on super bowl commercials he's producing movies um he he i'm sure makes more money than tom green ever made uh and has been you know his hours viewed material is probably many multiples of what tom green's was and yet his cultural footprint is lighter because nobody actually loves it nobody actually likes i mean there's some people who actually like it but his success is he succeeded within the platform and that's different and like i i have come to learn over the last year or so a lot about youtube and how it works and how it works is that has only tangentially related to how the audience reacts to content and whether or not the audience actually likes content it's much more about understanding the algorithm and learning to to use the algorithm and so i just think that it's like a category difference in now how creators approach creativity in a way that's different from the way it happened 30 years ago on on the point of tom
Sonny00:59:10green's comedy um this is one area where i do think the movie the documentary fails both as documentary and as autobiography and it and it's it is that it does not do a good job of explaining tom green's theory of comedy which i agree with you jbl i think is interesting and is is is was a a new and different and sort of challenging thing in the same way that uh steve martin was right or um or norm mcdonald was both of whom show up in this as uh like briefly in interview clips which is interesting but but steve martin's autobiography steve steve steve martin's memoir born standing up is really interesting because he gets into his whole theory of comedy and like what it means what it means to do what he was doing norm mcdonald's uh memoir fictionalized memoir is very interesting because he does the same thing he talks about like his ideal idea of a joke is one in which the setup and the punch line are the same the the setup is the punch line right and you you make the joke as small and as short as possible and that's that's why oj simpson was such a perfect foil for him because it was just like all you had to do is say what oj simpson did that was the job um and it's a great joke and the and and tom green was doing a similar thing in the sense that he was again he was doing uh this sort of cringe comedy but in reality like actually making people cringe which is different than what ricky gervais is doing though ricky gervais again has that same kind of idea it's different from what the jackass guys were doing even in their like man on the street bits because their man on the street bits was always like kind of hidden camera candid cameras right sort of thing like we put johnny knoxville in a wig and had him ask people silly questions this is like closer to andy kaufman this is much closer to andy kaufman and but it's not but again it's not quite andy kaufman because i like the the amount of artifice behind it is different i don't know again i would have that's what i if i were if i were the producer of this documentary i would have gone back to tom green and said i need more on this i need you to explain what you were doing in a real and honest way
JVL01:01:26because he talks about thing learning about what works and he never tells us what doesn't work
Mike01:01:32right correct which so again would have been interesting there's some i mean i think this some of this is like he's he's he appears to be sort of understated that's his kind of uh ironically but like when he's talking about himself and in his career uh but there are some hints i mean because i think you can't talk about this without talking about david letterman um which like every comic every comedy person from from norm mcdonald on like it's all it's all david letterman they're all doing david letterman in some form he's like the trunk of the tree and um right like so like david letterman's whole thing is he's he's interacting with the format and with the audience expectations of the format uh of the talk show of television um and and sort of commenting on it like can you like almost uh uh like can you believe that like this is a thing that we all in that we all kind of consume and isn't it kind of stupid in a way and there's something about i think to your point sunny about the camera being there in the tom green stunts the camera being like like on the people who are being pranked and a lot of them are that are his own parents and the and the sort of the shock of the prank and the shock of like looking into this camera that's like in their face right because it's very like gonzo in that way very in your face and and not knowing like am i supposed to tell you how i really feel in this moment and react in the ain't like with the parents you know it's like they're constantly sort of struggling with do i freak out like i really want to at this point or do i have to do something because this camera is looking at me in this moment where i'm shocked and i think that is there's something there that tom green picked up on there's something he says at the beginning of
Sonny01:03:36the documentary that's essentially that is essentially this point right which is that the camera changes things the camera yeah the camera the camera is like schrodinger yeah has a heisenberg principle or heisenberg's principle thank you not sure but like the the camera changes things once you see once once you know you are being observed it changes how you react and therefore you are not observing the thing and that is kind of the basis of his whole comedy it's why as you know it's why as he got bigger and as he got more successful both the reactions of his parents changed from being like annoyed and outraged to kind of like like his dad is laughing at that stop right but it's also how the general public changed right he they show the clip of him going out on the street and getting mobbed by people if that is how people are reacting to your camera you cannot do your bits like you have been doing them it's why he talks about having to go shoot the bum bum song in seattle right because there were fewer people walking around on the street it's not like new york it's not like chicago there are a few fewer people walking around on the street so he was only able to like get away from the crowds in in that place and that again that just that changed his whole style of comedy which i don't maybe i don't i now that we're talking about maybe he did a good job of explaining it without explaining it that's yes i would have liked i would have liked him
Mike01:05:03to be a little more explicit well um yeah i don't know i just i i think he's uh interesting i the last thing i want to say is like the i feel like the i kind of mentioned this like the middle class aspect of it like there's something about his parents like the fact that like his parents were so involved involuntarily at first like with his career and he's like talking to them throughout the documentary as well um the record producer
JVL01:05:34from brooklyn talking about how amazing his parents were correct there's something there's
Mike01:05:40something about that that also plays into his appeal there there's a sense that he's like he is like the funny weird smart kid like let loose that like you might have known in your own high school and like what if what if he sort of had no filter and had a camera and played pranks on his parents that you know because you know his out of there's something about the intimacy of the initial stuff that makes it appealing as well and frankly makes him an interesting person to he is you know he he basically has like a normal ish childhood and he and I find that
JVL01:06:24interesting so that's my thought I feel like the actual big Lebowski yelling you had your time
Sonny01:06:34Tom Green the bums lost that is the bums lost yeah well the bums did lose I mean he did lose
JVL01:06:40that's the thing he did lose he lives on a hundred acre farm
Sonny01:06:43he never has to work well I mean he made he made something great and then it all went away
Mike01:06:50lesson for all of us through his fingers okay uh all right well that is all the time we are going to give to this episode uh remember to join us over at subbeacon.com tell your friends and family uh to come to subbeacon.com become a patron uh that's the only way to listen to the show and we will talk to you next time
Sonny01:07:13so you also hate jackass JBL that that makes sense to me that makes sense to me I will say uh I will say that I much I much prefer jackass to Tom Green um and also I uh I still whenever like a new jackass movie comes out I go to it and despite myself I like involuntarily am falling on the floor laughing at their ridiculous efforts to hurt themselves you and bring joy to our lives through through self-violence I like to imagine that every
JVL01:07:49person who ever went to an MTV spring break event is currently unemployed and living in
Mike01:07:56a van down by the river I don't I don't want to shatter your illusion JBL but uh I'm gonna say
Sonny01:08:03they're they're uh they're probably in charge right now is the truth Mike Mike Mike went to seven of them he he kept going after he graduated he's he'd ever stopped no but I I I
?01:08:13I I
Sonny01:08:13I
Mike01:08:13No but I have been
Sonny01:08:15It's like Spuds McKenzie
Mike01:08:16I have been to Club La Vila in Panama City Beach where at least one if not more than one MTV spring break was filmed I wasn't there during an MTV spring break but uh Club La Vila RIP it doesn't exist anymore uh it uh it's a uh you'll never find a more wretched hive of
JVL01:08:36I would sit and whenever I would pass that like in the common area of the dorm and somebody had it on I would just pray that I would be able to find a more wretched hive of debauchery I would just pray for a cholera outbreak
?01:08:45I'm sure it's fine
Mike01:08:47I'm sure it's fine
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