#277. 'Hot Frosty' (Netflix)
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The trio tackles Hot Frosty, Netflix's number-one movie of the moment, and land in wildly different places: Sonny is weirdly moved by it, spinning out an extended (semi-facetious) Christological reading in which Dustin Milligan's resurrected snowman-man is a Christ figure, the sheriff is Pontius Pilate, and the film's sincerity makes it hard to dislike even though he admits it's "not a great movie"; JVL and Mike both despise it, tearing into Milligan's alien, uncanny screen presence ("Simple Jack Frost"), the unflattering way Lacey Chabert is lit and directed, the tonal whiplash between cancer-diagnosis melodrama and broad comic-relief cops, and the general sense that nobody involved looks like they're having fun (unlike, they note, the cast of Noel or the Princess Switch movies). Before getting to the movie, the guys spend a long stretch on Sonny's report from a late-night AMC screening of Clint Eastwood's Juror No. 2, where he noticed young couples smuggling blankets into neighboring showings of Heretic, sparking a raunchy, extended riff on whether theaters have become the new "Netflix and chill" venue; Mike details getting roped into coaching his first-grader's basketball team, prompting a genuinely earnest debate (with JVL advocating getting stoned beforehand) about whether organized sports before third or fourth grade does more harm than good; and they run through box office numbers, including Juror No. 2's surprisingly strong per-screen average despite zero advertising, and a detour into the unfortunate URL collision between Wicked merchandise and a certain adult-film studio.
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Sonny00:00:00It feels amazing. Excuse me, can I help you? This is Jack. I was a snowman. That's not good.
Mike00:00:17Welcome to the Sub-Beacon podcast. I am your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts who may melt, Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at subbeacon.com. Tell your friends and family that they can go to subbeacon.com to listen to new episodes every Friday morning. We have a great comment section over there. People love to get into it, talk about what we talk about here on the show. It's a great little community, but it's only at subbeacon.com. We're going to be talking about Hot Frosty on this show. I know we're all excited about this one. I am. I am so excited for this. But first, Sonny, slow your roll, because first, let's figure out what's going on with the fellas. Sonny, you're hot to try. What's going on with you?
Sonny00:01:16So I went to go see Clint Eastwood's new movie, Juror No. 2, at the local... At the local AMC. It's only playing in like 40 theaters around the country, like 50 theaters around the country, some very small number of screens. But it does happen to be playing here in Dallas, like 10 minutes from my house. So I was like, I got to go see. I got to go support Clint. Clint, he's done a lot for us over the years. I got to go support him.
JVL00:01:43See his movie in theaters.
Sonny00:01:45So I went to go see it, and I went to a very late showing. It was only showing like three times a day, showing at 11 a.m., 2 p.m., and 10 p.m. And I couldn't go to the 11 or 2 because I'm working, kids, whatever. So I was like, all right, I'm going to go to a 10 p.m. screening on a Tuesday. On a Tuesday night, which means I'll get home at like 1230 in the morning from the movie theater. But I don't, whatever, I don't, what else am I going to do with my life? So I go to this movie theater, and I want to describe, first of all, there were like five other people. One of the people in my theater in the average age was actually, this was not an old person showing. I went to see Conclave the other day. I went to see Conclave at like 11 a.m. on a Friday or something, or on a Thursday or something. And it was like the audience, the median age in the audience was probably like 67. Like the average age was probably like 78. It was the oldest group. Older than the Pope. It was the oldest group of people I've ever seen in a movie theater, except for when I went to go see. Horizon Part 1, An American Saga. That was an old screening as well. Anyway.
Mike00:03:02This was not for Clint, though.
Sonny00:03:04But not for Clint. For Clint, you know who was there? The bros. The bros showed up. It was like a 20-something bros screening, plus me in my 40s. And so I was there with my people, the bros, and we were getting ready to watch Clint. We started chanting Clint, Clint, Clint, Clint before the movie started. It was great. So anyway, that was... But I'm not here to discuss juror number two today. What I want to describe to you guys is a different thing that I saw in this theater as I was walking in. Now, I don't go to a lot of 10 p.m. showings at the AMC near me. It's not when I like to be at the movie theater. I tell you what, I like to be earlier, whatever. But I was at this 10 p.m. screening and walking around into the other auditorium. Not into my auditorium, which was the bro Clint auditorium where we were chanting Mules for Sister Sarah, Mules for Sister Sarah before the movie started. Going into the other screens for movies like Heretic, which is the Hugh Grant horror movie in which he captures some Mormon missionaries and tries to convert them to whatever. Of course, of course.
Mike00:04:20Capture the Mormon missionaries. Exactly. Go ahead.
Sonny00:04:23That's how Hugh Grant... Hugh Grant talks all the time, including in that movie, I presume, which I haven't seen yet. But going into these other screenings were lots of like 20-something, maybe old teenagers, 20-somethings, couples, a lot of couples, a lot of like, you know. And I saw four or five of these couples bringing blankets into the theater with them. Blankets into the theater with them. Not like, you know, not like big comforters, but like couch blankets into the theaters with them. And what I realized is happening is that they are bringing Netflix and chill to the theater. They're bringing, they're doing, the whole point of Netflix and chill was you bring somebody back to your house, you throw a movie on, you get under the covers, you get a little comfortable, and then you never know what's going to happen. But they're doing this in the theaters. And I support it. I support it.
JVL00:05:24I am 100%. So you can now give or get a handy at a movie theater and it's cool?
Sonny00:05:30100%.
JVL00:05:30Nobody cares anymore.
Sonny00:05:32Nobody cares. It used to be you had to hide it in a popcorn bucket or whatever. But now they just bring the blankets to the theater and you throw it, you throw the blanket over, you know, you got these big plush seats and they're so comfortable and they recline and you throw the blanket over each other. It's like an aphrodisiac.
JVL00:05:51It has to be on a reclining seat theater, right? You can't. You can't do this in a normal theater.
Sonny00:05:57I think it would actually be easier in a normal theater because, you know, the reclining seat ones have like the console. Yeah.
JVL00:06:03You can put the arm up in the normal theater. Right. In the normal theater, you can put the arm up. Nice place to rest the elbow.
Sonny00:06:08So it's not, you know, it's not 100% clear to me what is going on. But I would.
JVL00:06:13The jeans unbuttoned and unzipped when you're reclined, though, versus sitting.
Sonny00:06:18I haven't really gone into that. I haven't thought about the mechanics of this too much. But first of all, again, I'm in favor of this because I'm in favor. I'm in favor of anything that gets people back into the theaters. If this is what it takes to get kids back into the theaters, hand jobs.
JVL00:06:30Two dicks at the same time.
Sonny00:06:31At the, you know.
JVL00:06:33You've got to figure out the DTF, right? You've got to hot swap the men's. You've got to waste any sweet strokes.
Sonny00:06:41First off, I don't know why you're doing two hands. This isn't like a challenger situation.
Mike00:06:46It's a Silicon Valley reference, Sonny. Come on.
Sonny00:06:48Oh, okay. Try to keep up. Try to keep up. Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry. It went over my head. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um, but the, uh, but the, uh, but the, uh, anyway, the situation here is fascinating. I wish I had actually looked at the seating charts because I bet there was a lot of back row, back row seats blocked off in those screening rooms.
JVL00:07:11What would you say the ages of these people are? Are these also people in their forties or are these like twenties and teens?
Sonny00:07:15No, I think it's like, I think it was like, I think it was mostly like low twenties. I would say like, I don't know. I have, I have the problem. I have the problem.
JVL00:07:23They all look the same now, right?
Sonny00:07:24I have a problem with the, I'm like a 42 year old man. So anytime I see a person between the age of like 15 and 27, it's all the same age.
JVL00:07:34Are they a freshman in high school or do they work down the hall for me at the office?
Sonny00:07:38Could be either way. Could be either way. It's like when I see Edgar, uh, you know, when I, when I come back to the office, I see Andrew Edgar. I'm like, how old are you? Are you, are you 13? Are you 40? Like me? I don't know. I can't tell anymore. It's not, I'm just kidding, Andrew. I'm just kidding.
Mike00:07:52Uh, but, but this is like the, the, the early twenties is actually, that makes perfect sense because you can't afford to live without a roommate at that age. So you can't do, you can't do the Netflix and chill at home. I mean, maybe, maybe there's too much Netflix and chilling going on at home. So you got to go, you know, somebody's got to, got to go to the theater to do it.
JVL00:08:16How are people cleaning up for this? What's that? How are people cleaning up from this?
Mike00:08:21It's, it's best not to think too much about it.
Sonny00:08:23I'm not, I, look. I don't want to, I don't want to get into a whole discussion about the d*** mops, but the, you know, that's, that's a separate.
JVL00:08:32So wait, Sonny, are you saying that you would like to murder people who text during movies, but people who are getting it on during the movies feel like, yeah, cool.
Sonny00:08:46Well, I, I, I wouldn't want it to happen like next to me in the theater.
JVL00:08:50Where is law and order, Sonny? That's what I want to know.
Sonny00:08:54It goes. Hey, look, here's the thing. If you're quiet about it, I don't really care. I don't really care if you're, as long as you're not disturbing everybody else in the theater, like it'd be one thing if they were like, if it was like a full on, like, you know, they're, I'm gonna have to bleep a lot of this. It would be one thing if there's a full on, like, you know, uh, brazzers situation when there's a, you know, but the, but like I said that because that's what I have thought every
JVL00:09:20single time we've said the words hot frosty is I thought hot car. Oh, I gave her a hot frosty.
Sonny00:09:29I don't know what that, I don't know what a hot car is. That's gross. It's, I assume it's gross. Uh, anyway, um, uh, the, the whole, the, the, the, the, my point here is simply, my point
JVL00:09:42here is simply that theaters are doing it at the AMC.
Sonny00:09:45Theaters are evolving and you know, what, what once got Paul Rubens arrested would not necessarily be considered a crime anymore. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Mike00:09:56Uh, yeah. Well, I, I bet it would be considered a crime if anybody were, were there to, uh, to, to call them out.
Sonny00:10:05So, you know, you know, you know what the, I want to know what the instructions are to the AMC employees in this situation. Like if you see it, just let it happen anymore. Right?
JVL00:10:12Like who would see it?
Sonny00:10:14Oh, well, no, there's no ushers.
JVL00:10:15There's no, there's no ushers. There's no projectionists. And at the late showing, I mean, I don't know if you've noticed this, but when you leave from a late showing, there's like one person. Yes. Still working at the theater. And that person is in charge of everything. Like you walk out and it is a ghost town.
Sonny00:10:31Yes.
JVL00:10:31So like, who's there?
Sonny00:10:33What time do you usually go to the movies, JBL? Do you, are you like a late night guy when we have to see something in a, in a theater?
JVL00:10:39I try, when we have to see stuff in the theater, I try not to go until the little kids are in bed. Right. So, which means practically speaking, I wind up at like a nine o'clock show. Right. Which is horrible. Yeah. That's awful. In this world, 6.30 to 7 is the ideal time to see a movie.
Sonny00:10:58See, I want more, I want more like 8.30 show times. Like there, there's this, there's this weird lacuna between like 7 and 7.30 and 10. Yeah. It's like, that's when, you know, like all the movies start at 7 or 7.30 and then the next showing starts at 10. And it's like, that does me no good. That does me no good. I needed like a 8.30 or, you know.
Mike00:11:18The 8.30 to 9 o'clock period is when I start watching stuff at home. Right. Like that. That's when the kids are down. That's when like, okay, the, the, the dishes are all done or the, the, the lunches are made for the next morning. So let's, let's, let's tell you what movies that this policy would have been a huge boon
JVL00:11:36to me in high school. I never would have had to go to Strawbridge Lake, which is where we all went in my town. Uh, and, but, but now it turns out you could just go to the, the Medford.
Sonny00:11:48Well, the difference between now and then is that once upon a time, people actually used to go to the movies. You didn't have like a giant auditorium. Essentially to yourself, you know, that was like, this is a new, again, the movie theaters are revolving. They're revolving into, uh, to serve different communities. Pleasure palaces.
JVL00:12:05You know, we are, we are five years away from legit movie theaters being no different than like the porn theaters from 1975.
Mike00:12:16Yeah. Exactly. What Paul Rubens got, uh, got arrested in.
JVL00:12:19Well, except for, except for the pizza with you into the back. The pizza with you into the back room with your blanket. That's great.
Mike00:12:28Oh boy. All right. Uh, Michael, how are you buddy? I'm, I'm fine. We're skipping you. You, you're, you're. Yeah, skip me. I got nothing.
Sonny00:12:36I still, I still think that you're, well, whatever. I think what you're working on would be interesting to talk about, but you don't want to talk about it. So.
Mike00:12:44No. All right. Well, I, I have nothing so salacious or, or exciting as, uh, I feel like, I feel like we sort of front loaded, so to speak, the, uh, the, the dude's chatting aspect of this. Um, I have been roped in to coaching my first graders basketball team and I have to say like, my first grader is very excited about this. Like he thinks it's so cool that I'm going to be his basketball coach, but I think there is a reason why I am coaching the basketball team of first graders. There were not one, but two emails from the basketball league blasted out to everybody on the, on the, you know, everybody from the kindergarten development program. That's not even really a league all the way up to the, to the sixth graders or whatever, just letting everyone know that there was going to be a need for a first grade boys team coach and, uh, and then the second email made it very specific that there were nine, there were nine boys. There were nine specific individuals who at that moment were without a coach and they all happened to go to my son's school. So it's like, it's all basically narrowing things down to somebody calling me and asking me to coach. So I just cut it off, uh, you know, at the pass and just said, if you're still looking for a coach, I will do it. So.
JVL00:14:24Um.
Mike00:14:25Do you have to practice? Is it just games or are there? No, no, there's, there, there's, there are practices, there are practices, um, so my 10 foot rims, I don't know all the rules for first grade. So my, my 10 year old started playing when he was in second grade. So this will be his third season playing basketball. Um, so I don't know how, I don't really quite know how different it is. I will say so, so the, the oldest, like his team, he's had a, had the same coach. It's one of his best friend's dads and like they've kept a solid team now, hopefully through this will be the third season. And so I've been able to kind of watch how he does it and how he's managed and, um, he's like, he's got an easygoing personality. He's got like a, uh, uh, but, but, but he sort of, he does also, he gets respect from the kids. Like the, the he's, he's, he's got the right balance that it takes to coach like elementary school kids basketball. I don't think I have that balance. Um, and then you add in the fact that I'm, as I told them when I volunteered, I said, I'm not that good at basketball. I played basketball as a kid. I play basketball with my boys outside on our basketball goal, but that's about it. Like I probably maybe make 50% of the shots I take maybe, um, I'm just not that good. So. So that's to say I'm gonna be coaching nine first graders, uh, for the next two and a half, three months. Any advice, no, please don't all jump in at once.
JVL00:16:06Is weed legal in Virginia now, because my advice is fucking get baked before you show up to these things, because I submit to you that basketball is the most miserable sport at the level of like below third or fourth. Fourth grade, because the kids can't do, they just physically can't do any of the things with soccer. Like anybody can kick a fucking ball. Like, you know, you just run up to it and you can kick at it right. With basketball, it, it, I, it, it shouldn't be taught if you, you know, you, you kids want to go out and just like shoot around in a hoop. That's fine. But we are not doing organized basketball before fourth grade, that ought to be a national law.
Sonny00:16:53It is.
JVL00:16:54I don't know if I agree with that, but go ahead Sonny.
Sonny00:16:56Yeah. My, my son played basketball for my, it's funny. My daughter played basketball for a season and like, it was like the stereotypical, like kid chasing butterflies in the outfield, but on a basketball court, like not, she was, she wasn't into it at all. So she only did that for one, for one year. And then we were like, you're not, you're not doing that again. And she was like, oh, but I love playing. I was like, no, you don't. You just like being with your friends. Like I, I watched your games. I know what you, and she was like, yeah, you're right. You're right. So I was like, all right, we're not, you can do other things, but we're not doing, we're not doing this again. Uh, my son, um, played so, God, he, yeah, I guess it was like a pre-K team. It was like, it was pre-K it was like, they were, they were like four or five, um, four and five years old. And like, it's miserable because even at the height, the basket is set at it's, you know, it's like an eight foot rim or something like they, they lower it and then they have like a lower extender thing, they have like a little basket they put on it that brings the hoopie even further down. And like, even that, like half the kids literally cannot get the ball high enough to go in the hoops. And like half of them can, cuz you know, kids, there's a big variance and you know how, but like, it, it's just, why are we doing this? And like, none of them, you know, the, the refs didn't call, the refs didn't call travel cuz like half of them can't dribble. Like they're just running. It's like rugby. It's like rugby mixed with basketball and, and it's like, what's the point of this? What is the point of any of this? Why are we doing this? And we're doing it because of like, God damn it. And parents who are like, we gotta get our kids in basketball at age five, cuz if they don't know how to do basketball at age five, they won't be able to do it at age eight. And then they won't get on the travel team. Then they won't be in the NBA. Like your kids are never gonna be, your kids are never gonna play high school basketball in my neighborhood. Trust me, trust me, the kids we're playing pre-K basketball with 0% of them will play high school basketball.
Mike00:18:52So like, so your advice guys. Is to withdraw my son from basketball.
Sonny00:18:57You should get out, get out now while you can. Get out now while you.
Mike00:19:00Get out before the season starts. So I just totally disagree with this because our experience, again, my 10 year old's been playing since the second grade. It is his favorite sport to play. He really took to it in the sense that he started off in second grade and said, I don't even wanna play.
Sonny00:19:21Second grade is different. Second grade is, I'm sorry. Okay. It's not entirely you're, you're, you're talking about what, like seven, eight year olds in second grade. Yeah. Seven hundred percent different than like four or five year olds or five, even five and six year olds. Totally.
Mike00:19:35Like it, but, but, but, but, but I'm, I'm dealing with six and seven year olds in first grade and okay. Well, I've got, I've got a very tall first grader and, uh, tell him to play a different
Sonny00:19:47sport. Put him in tennis.
Mike00:19:49He wants to, they do, they do tennis in the summer. Um, so, so basically what you're saying is. You're telling me it's a fool's errand and I should just not, can I, can I make a zero expectations anyway? Go ahead.
JVL00:20:03Global theological point. Sure. I, I generally believe that organized sports holds kids back when you start it too early. Um, because what matters is not the organization, like what matters at the very young age. Young level are the fundamental units of the sport. And the only way to do that is by touches, right? The, the way to get good at soccer is by touching a soccer ball with your feet. The way to get good at hockey is by skating, you just skate, right? Right. The way to get good at tennis is just kind of the experience of like batting the ball up on your rackets with baseball, just throwing and catching, throwing and catching, throwing and catching. And I, I have a friend, a friend, a friend of Shannon's who. Was, I think still is involved with USA soccer and she was a high level, you know, like a collegiate soccer player who then joined like the coaching industrial complex when she got out of school. And one of the big problems that American soccer has all the way down to the grassroots level is that the parents want the kids playing in leagues, playing games. And what you need to is to just have the kids. Doing like pickup soccer and that this is wholly antithetical to the American middle class mindset, the American middle class can't. And so what, what they wound up doing for USA soccer was they wound up developing like a whole set of protocols to try to make disorganized pickup soccer be organized enough to satisfy American parents. And so like they had a whole list of like, you know, so you will bring. The, you know, the seven kids or the eight kids to the field at a set time. And we will do skills. We'll work on, like, we'll do drills with them for the first 30 minutes, but then we always have to have at least 20 minutes of totally unstructured time in which the kids are just like kicking balls and touching balls around stuff. And that was like a hard sell down to the junior level. And again, like, yeah, totally like it's just bad.
Sonny00:22:24This is this is why South Americans have such good soccer players is because they just play in the favelas or whatever, like they just play on the street. This is like when I when I lived in England, right. So I spent ages, I don't know, six, six and a half to ten or so in England. And when I moved back to the United States and Florida, I like I'm not I'm not bragging here. I'm not like I'm not like obviously a great soccer player. I didn't go play in even high school or college. But when I got back, I had I had better. Basic fundamental skills and literally everybody else, because you know what I did? I just at recess every every day, every day at recess, we just played soccer. We just played pickup soccer, kicking the ball around. When we would go to somebody's house, it was just kicking the ball back and forth, you know, running around, playing, playing soccer or whatever. I had never been on. I was never on. Maybe I was. Maybe I had one like rec league team or whatever when I was in England, but I like never really played team team soccer. I just like kick the ball. And so like when I. When I moved to Florida, coaches are like, wow, you're you're good. We're going to put you up front. That was a mistake because I was slow and and you know, whatever. But I could actually touch. I could actually handle the ball. I could do like a Cruyff turn and shit like that, even though nobody had taught me how to do it.
JVL00:23:38Like it was just. Yeah, well, and with basketball, you just need to be like touch. You just need to be dribbling the ball right at that at the age of like first grade. All that is like just being in the driveway, dribbling the ball past the ball and with a hoop low enough that you can. Get the enjoyment of making shots right with which means for which really means like a five foot rim for little kids.
Mike00:24:04So I. So quit now. I would I would submit that there is a middle ground that works that could that can work, but it only works if like the the parents and particularly the coaches like buy into it, which is just as low stakes as possible. Practices that that feel more like play and get a little more like practice as the kids grow up and and, you know, like, I don't know, all I know is I'm going into this teaching first graders to play basketball like with the lowest of low expectations. Like all I want them to do is by the end of the season to have to feel like they. You know, they've touched the ball enough. You know, they've they've they've practiced dribbling. They've like shot at the basket and maybe they're shooting at the basket a little better than when they started. I think you can do that in an organized situation, but it depends on a coach with low expectations or not expectations with like a low floor of what is acceptable and with parents who are just like. Happy to have the kids out there running around playing basketball. That's been our experience with my oldest. I would like to transfer that to my middle.
JVL00:25:33Here's my serious suggestion. My serious suggestion is to have a saint. Every practice have the same number of balls as kids so that you can have everybody dribbling at the same time. Whenever like you're doing dribbling, literally just put them out to like, Hey guys, I want you to run a lap around the court, dribbling the ball the whole way. Like have them do that. Right. And then when you break them up, never break them up into groups bigger than two. So because again, what you want, you want them never not touching the ball for more than a couple seconds. Right. You, you constantly, when they're passing, just have, again, if you have 10 kids, five balls out there and passes are done in groups of two and you know, and shooting is done in groups of two. One person is shooting, the other person is rebounding, but basically always want them
Mike00:26:23touching ball. I think that's totally right. And I, and I, and I think the, like, what I think of is, is proper first grade practice. Uh, going back to when I played basketball as a kid, it's like, just like under, I've already started to do this with my first grader, just, uh, you know, as, as he's gotten an interest in like doing it a little more, it's like the difference between a bounce past and a bounce pass and chest pass. And like, this is what, and, and just working on that, those fundamentals. I mean, it sounds obvious, but like, that's all it needs to be. That's all it needs to be. And, um, I, yeah, anyway, I think you're right. I think I'll be fine. Good luck.
JVL00:27:04Good luck might help if you were baked when he showed up to practice.
Mike00:27:09Yeah. Yeah. We'll see about that. Uh, all right. Well, uh, let's move on and talk a little bit about the box office. We, um, thank you by the way, Sonny for, for filling in for our busy week last week, we did not talk about the box office. We talked about the box office last week, obviously, but this week, number one, once again, venom, the last dance, uh, venom, it's venom, venom, uh, behind that is the aforementioned heretic, uh, an eight 24, uh, it's, uh, debuted at number two on the, uh, the weekend box office list. And number three, the best Christmas pageant ever. What the hell is this movie?
?00:27:49What is this?
Mike00:27:50This is like Christian movie or something.
Sonny00:27:52Yeah. It's a, I want to say it's like, see, you don't even know. I want to say it's like a lie. It's distributed by lions gate. I think it was produced by angel studios or somebody, somebody in the home. So it is a Christian kind of, yeah, it's definitely like a, a Christian, Christian, uh, sort of movie. Um, I don't know. I didn't see it.
JVL00:28:14Are we approaching a point where 60% of theatrical releases are going to be either Christian or a budget horror? Because that seems like that's like, that's really where the market is heading. It's going to split between those two. Totally.
Sonny00:28:31I don't know. Uh, it's yeah. I mean, there's the, both, both are cheap, both have, you know, kind of built in audiences, but I do think that, you know, there's always talk about, oh, or, you know, whatever heretic did fine. Uh, again, it's, it's one of these eight 24 movies that'll probably gross around $25 million and everyone will talk about how it's a big hit and um, whatever. I don't know. It's, it's been a, it's been a real crappy couple of weekends at the box office. Honestly, like the fact that venom is number one with $15.9 million as well. Um, but, but next, next, I think next weekend is, uh, the, the release of gladiator two and wicked wicked is going to be an enormous hit. Wicked is going to grow. Oh, it's going to be huge. It's going to, it's going to do like a hundred it's it. I don't know that it will do Barbie numbers in its open. We can, but it will gross well over a hundred million dollars and it's opening weekend. People are very excited for this. Did you guys see the wicked news by the way, uh, about the toys?
JVL00:29:32Oh yes, I did not. Tell me more.
Sonny00:29:36It does. So, you know, the wicked merchandise is everywhere. You got to target wicked. Wicked is like all over the shelves, all, you know, all the Hasbro or Mattel or whoever it is that's making the toys there. It's all over. And, you know, if you buy a toy for a movie, it, it includes a website to send you to the movie website, you know? And so they, uh, they told people to go to wicked.com JBL, you want to go to wicked.com right now?
JVL00:30:02Is that, uh, JBL just go to wicked.com, go to wicked.com so you can see, so you can see the, turn up your volume too. Just, just go to, oh, it's a, it's wicked pictures, which is, uh, pictures is a, like the second biggest porn studio.
Sonny00:30:21Yes. It's, it's basically. It's very, it's, it's, it's a very large pornography enterprise. Uh, speaking of blankets and theaters, go see wicked, uh, the, anyway, um, the, the, so that was, that was funny. So a God only knows what's going to happen there. Uh, but the, uh, I dunno, uh, glad little kids have not been this shocked since white
Mike00:30:43house.com.
Sonny00:30:44That's gladiator two and wicked are coming out next week. It's going to be a big week at the box office, I think. Uh, so, you know, I'm excited. Are you guys excited for gladiator two?
JVL00:30:56Isn't there a third big movie? No, not next week.
Sonny00:31:01Gladiator. There's the lion King prequel. That's coming out. And I want a two, I want a two, I want a two is coming out in a couple of weeks, but that's,
Mike00:31:09Oh, I thought they moved Moana too. Okay. It's it doesn't get wide release until the following week. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, question about gladiator two. Um, this is, it's, it's a really stupid question, but th th you've got Pedro. Pascal and Paul Mescal. That's a little confused. I feel like it's like the same, same, very similar names, two entirely different names,
Sonny00:31:33but okay. Peter, Paul, Pascal, Mescal. Okay.
JVL00:31:37Anyway, is it good?
Mike00:31:38Have you seen it?
Sonny00:31:39Sonny? Was that, Oh, was that your, was that your question?
Mike00:31:41You didn't, you didn't, that was just who are like, like, like who is Paul Mescal?
Sonny00:31:45I've never heard of him, but he's like, he's been in, he's been in a bunch of stuff. I don't, I don't care for him very much. He's very much like an internet boyfriend sort of guy. I don't, I don't. I don't care.
Mike00:31:54What does that mean? What does that mean?
Sonny00:31:56Boyfriend kind of guy. You know, like he's like very, like people, he, people, people talk about how like Dustin
JVL00:32:01Milligan.
Sonny00:32:02What's that?
JVL00:32:03Forgettable. Like Dustin Milligan.
Sonny00:32:05I don't know who that is. Is that Frosty? Is that, is that, is that hot Frosty himself?
Mike00:32:10We'll get, we'll, we'll get to that. Uh, okay. I did that. That was, it was a stupid question. I just, I've never heard of this guy and he's like above Pedro Pascal on the, uh, on the, on the list.
Sonny00:32:20Yeah. He was in, um, what was the name of the, he was in after something. I think. Is that the name of the movie? I have no idea.
Mike00:32:27I've never heard of that.
Sonny00:32:29Yeah. That was a, that was a big, that was a big indie indie hit. Uh, people, people, it's on Netflix now.
Mike00:32:36Oh, he's, he's Irish. Oh, okay.
JVL00:32:38One of those drunk on set all day fighting, munching on his potatoes.
Sonny00:32:46No. Well, I mean, you gotta keep, you gotta keep that going cause you had Russell Crowe in the first one.
Mike00:32:51So fighting around the world. Um, all right. Uh, I don't know. Any, any other, any other thoughts on the, uh, on the box office questions?
JVL00:33:00I don't, I don't have any more casual Irish bigotry. Didn't the Clint Eastwood movie do really big per theater numbers, Sonny? I feel like I've read that in Matthew Belloni.
Sonny00:33:10No. Theoretically. Yes. Um, uh, they're not reporting the numbers. Matt Bellany reported. I mean, I, I read about this in my newsletter this week, but Matt Bellany reported that it did $9,100 per screen in its opening weekend. And then $5,400 per screen and its second weekend, which is, which are very good numbers for, especially for a movie that has $0 in advertising. I mean, literally zero Warner brothers is spending $0 advertising this movie. Uh, so, you know, it, it, it'll probably end up, you know, I don't, I don't know precisely what it will gross because again, Warner brothers is not releasing numbers. It's kind of hard to keep track of, uh, but I would say it probably does somewhere in the range of like. Let's say two to $3 million at the box office without any questions for respect for Clint. The issue I look, I can, I can mount, I can mount a case either way on this, this movie, right? On the one hand, uh, from a pure box office proposition perspective, I can mount a case either way. The, the pro argument is that between, uh, between American sniper Sully and the mule Clint Eastwood movies over the last decade, those three movies have grossed. Nearly a billion dollars worldwide. Like that. I mean, they're all R rated or I guess Sully was probably PG 13, but like two of those are R rated movies. One, only one of them actually stars Clint Eastwood, uh, et cetera, et cetera. The, the, the counter to this is you look at, uh, the, uh, what is it? 15, 15, 17 to Paris, uh, Richard Jewell and cry macho. Those movies all did poorly. They, you know, they did 10 to $20 million domestic, um, not, not that much. It's more worldwide, et cetera, et cetera. But then the counter to that is, well, of course, cry macho did bad. It came out in the pandemic. Old people go see Clint Eastwood movies. They were all terrified staying at home. Uh, you know, the, that was also day and date on max. It was like one of the last movies in that day and date package thing. The Richard Jewell one is kind of more interesting and nuanced because that movie, I, so that was, you know, that's a, that's an Oscar season play. It needs good critical word of mouth and I don't know if you guys remember 2019, but it, every film critic in the country had lost their fucking minds by that point. So half the discussion was positing that the movie was like some sort of Sato Voce defense of Donald Trump against prosecution by the FBI, which is an insane take. And then the other half of the country was like, how dare he, the other half of the critics were like, how dare he show a woman journalist sleeping with a source that would never happen, which of course would never fuck Don Draper would never happen, would never, that would never happen. No journalist has ever slept with a source. It's really irresponsible to suggest anyway. So, uh, so anyway, that, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that movie got, that movie got killed for, you know, so like I can, I can construct a case either way. I, I, I lean towards why not spend $20 million advertising, put it in 3000 screens, even if it only does 20 to $40 million, let's say, you know, it earns that money back and also will do better on. PVOD. It will do better on streaming because people are like, oh, here's an Oscar movie that is now on streaming. I want to watch it at home, whatever.
Mike00:36:31Like I just, I, I, I mean, plus you get to say you're in the, you're in the Clint Eastwood business.
Sonny00:36:36Like it's like a legacy.
JVL00:36:37This is, this is the broader normative theater. This is get a little rub and tug, right?
Sonny00:36:43This is, this is what the kids want to see. This is what the kids want to Netflix and chill to in the theaters is, uh, uh, but the, but like the broader argument here is like Warner brothers has been in the Clint Eastwood business for 40 years now, something like that, you know, 40, 40 years, 50 years almost. Uh, and to, to like kind of the original plan was to just dump this on, on max, they were going to put it like straight to max and people got mad and they're like, fine, we're going to put it in, we're going to put it in 35 theaters for one week. And then it did such crazy numbers again, $9,000 a screen was the best per theater average in the top 20, the weekend that came out, um, the, the, uh, the studio was like five and we'll hold it over for another week. And then it did great numbers again. Um, so there it's going to be, it's still in the theaters that it was booked to. I can't imagine it will still be in theaters after, uh, Glickid comes out glad gladiator and wicked Glickid part one. Yes.
Mike00:37:42Question before we move on, when you say zero advertising budget, does that mean there are not the posters in the movie theaters? Like is, is, does it all, does it go all the way down to that? I don't remember seeing any posters. I've never seen a one sheet. Yeah. So literally it's, it's what you see in the app and what you see when you walk up to the theater on the, on the marquee.
Sonny00:38:11It's an orphan. You basically just have to know about it. You basically just have to know it's in theaters.
JVL00:38:15It's a speakeasy movie. Why?
Sonny00:38:17That's really what it is. I mean, like it's, and again, again, like $9,000, $9,100 per screen. Which is what it did in its opening weekend, supposedly, according to Matt Bellany, is not, is not an enormous number for an opening weekend movie. It isn't like, that's not, that's not a huge, amazing, uh, number or anything, but for a movie that literally only is being seen by people who know it's in theaters and are going to see it essentially despite David Zasloff, like that's a pretty big number. That's like, that's a spite number. $9,100 per screen. That's a, that's a fuck you number. Yeah, it's not a bad number.
Mike00:38:55All right. Well, uh, let's move on from this like archaic idea of a box office and movies being watched in a theater, uh, and talk about the movie that we're going to talk about this week, which is a Netflix movie, hot frosty Sonny.
Sonny00:39:14Give us a big boy review of hot frosty hot frosty is the greatest story ever. Told it's about, uh, it's about a woman. It's about a woman who is looking, looking for, looking for help in this world. She's looking for help and she's lost her husband. Her house is falling down around her. She's giving of spirit and kind to all those that she sees. One day she is, she is gifted a, uh, a scarf that she goes and she puts around the neck of a weirdly attractive snowman skull. That brings him to life. And this, this, this gentle soul comes to her house and practice his carpentry skills on her home, fixing her roof, fixing her stairs. He brings goodness to all of the people in the town. He, he helps them be their best selves. He teaches them to be kind to others all while sacrificing his own wellbeing, his own health. He is imprisoned by the evil. He is imprisoned by the authorities for his heresies against the, uh, the people and the, and the, the authorities. And he is, he is put in jail and he dies. He dies. And then he is brought back to life. He rises again three minutes later and is, is the, the savior of the town and joins their little community and is, uh, the light and the way going forward. I'm just saying, I'm not saying that hot frosty is a Jesus story. I'm saying it might be. It might be the greatest Jesus story ever told. Am I wrong about this guy? Is my, is my, uh, is my biblical reading of this film wrong? Is this not a story of Christ risen to, to help the people?
Mike00:41:11Maybe the last temptation of Christ.
JVL00:41:13It might be Mike. Don't you think?
Sonny00:41:19Show me where I'm wrong. Show me where I'm wrong in my reading of this movie. I don't, I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that this is specifically.
JVL00:41:31The sheriff is Pontius Pilate.
Sonny00:41:33Isn't he? Whoa. Isn't he?
JVL00:41:35Did I just blow your mind?
Sonny00:41:37Isn't he?
Mike00:41:39And the, the deputy as, uh, is, is who is, is the, is the good thief. Yes. Sure. Sure. Why not?
Sonny00:41:47Anyway, uh, Hey, hot frost. So hot frosty is, uh, I'm, I, I'm fascinated by hot frosty. As I am fascinated by the entire universe of Hallmark and Netflix Christmas originals, right? There's this whole kind of cottage industry, uh, of what amounts to its own genre at this point. It's basically the Christmas, the made for TV or made for streaming Christmas movie is essentially its own little cottage industry, just like VOD action, just like, uh, you know, um, cheap horror, et cetera, et cetera. Like it's its own, it's its own little universe. And, uh, what I find really interesting about this movie is that it's, it's, it's, it's is that it is actively in the process of evolving, right? Once upon a time, you had an idea of a Hallmark movie and it was a very specific thing, right? It was like a woman, a business woman who's too busy to celebrate the good things in life comes back to her small hometown where she meets a hot single guy who convinces her that her big city dreams are foolish and she needs to stay on the farm with him and they'll have many babies. And that's the, that, and all of this is wrapped up in the spirit of Christmas. It all, it's the home for the holidays. She comes home for the holidays. She learns that her wicked sinful ways are wrong. Her worldliness is bad. She needs to stay home and get married. And, and, and again, this, that is, there, there are still lots of movies like that.
JVL00:43:09The prince falls in love with her and it turns out they were meant for each other all the time and she becomes royalty. That's the other, that's the other version of it.
Sonny00:43:17That's the other. Yes. Well, yeah, that's right. But those are not entirely different. Anyway, it's neither here nor there.
JVL00:43:23There's two branches from the same tree.
Sonny00:43:25Right, exactly. So, like, there, there's this idea that, that is like kind of your standard Hallmark Christmas movie, right? And the, the universe of these films is very much expanding because A, that formula is like so formulaic and kind of played out that they are having to change things around a little bit. And this is very much, it's, it's similar but different. It's like kind of silly. It's very high concept. But it, it is, it is, it is. I, I, I, I don't want to, I don't want to sound like a sap here, even though I am a sap. But the, the, the, this is, this is like, the, the movie is so genuine and heartfelt and like what you see is what you get that like it's hard to, it's hard to be, you know, mad at it for, you know, being, being not great. It's not a great movie. It's not a great movie. But it's, it's, it's.
JVL00:44:17This is shtick.
Sonny00:44:17It's a G-rated.
JVL00:44:18This is shtick. This is you just wanting us to have a little bit of conflict for the show. You cannot actually believe this.
Sonny00:44:25It's a G-rated Christmas movie for families.
JVL00:44:28It is 100% not G-rated. Not G-rated at all. Is it not? Is it PG? Where he's like fucking the car and the old ladies, you know.
Sonny00:44:35Oh, it's TV PG. That's basically G. That's basically. Yeah. Oh, oh yeah. Like kids are going to understand what's going on there. There's, it's just subtext. It's subtext. It's fine. Um, I, uh, I don't, I don't love this movie or anything, but I do find it interesting. I find it interesting. Uh. And, uh, and I'm, uh, glad it exists. And I, I hope it made you guys think a little bit about the reason for the season, which is Christ's sacrifice. Frosty's sacrifice for all Frosty's birth, Frosty's birth, and then sacrifice just like another savior before him.
Mike00:45:13I mean, when they laid him down on the snow with his arms out, what, what other image could it possibly be? JVL, tell us your thoughts.
JVL00:45:23I did notice that there were three snowmen originally, and he spoke with the other two snowmen, evoking the triune God.
Sonny00:45:35I thought it was Golgotha.
Mike00:45:41You will be with me in hot, frosty paradise.
JVL00:45:44Uh, I, I love Christmas Hallmark-y movies. I love the Christmas Prince trilogy. I love the Princess Switch trilogy. In fact, I watched the Princess Switch, first Princess Switch movie just, uh, last weekend. Little E and I sat down and we threw it on and there was Vanessa Hudgens and all of her almost milfy glory. And it was, it's great. It's great. And I don't know how you don't have fun with those movies. I cry every damn time when I watch those movies. And, uh, I. Hated this so much. It's, it's not so bad that it's good. It's so bad that it's painful. And, uh, the idea, the idea, which is basically like, we'll do elf, right? We'll do elf as a Hallmark Christmas movie. That's the elevator pitch. And you could see where this could have maybe worked had it been executed. Better, but the script would have needed, I don't know, a hundred more revisions and the actors would have had to have been entirely different and the director would have needed to have been someone else. And I want to, for me, this is that Mrs. Lincoln, this is difficult to say, but the fellow who plays. The snowman, Jack Frost frosty. I wanted to, to kill with an ax and set on fire literally every minute that he was on screen. And so this actor, Dustin, that wasn't hard for you to say JVL, I am sure to roll off
Sonny00:47:39the tongue.
JVL00:47:40I am sure that he is a lovely human being and I am willing to accept the idea that maybe he's even a gifted comic actor, but his presence was. Disconcerting. His screen presence throughout this entire thing. He looks like an alien. He is acting like he's vaguely our word, but like not in the like cute, playful sense. I mean, he's, he's basically, uh, what is, what is the, what is the role that, uh, in Tropic Thunder that what's his face had just done? Oh, simple Jack, right? He's basically doing simple Jack funny because the character's name is Jack and, uh, and Lacey Chabert is, so I, I think I understand what has gone wrong with Lacey Chabert for this movie. The first is that the DP has done her dirty. See what I did there. Um, she is shot as if she's a hag in this movie and how they made her as physically as they did with light and angles is just a, a terrible thing. And I can't believe that her agent allowed them to do this to her.
Mike00:49:01They made her look frumpy is really what you're saying.
JVL00:49:05Yeah. But also, again, this is like, you know, you can shoot people pretty or you can shoot them ugly and they shot her ugly all the way through this movie. But the thing is, I was found myself thinking, what is it about her in this movie that is not working for me? Is it possible that she's just not alive? And I don't know, like, maybe it's true that Lacey Chabert cannot carry a project, but maybe not.
Sonny00:49:30But I can tell you, she's like the biggest star in the Christmas movie industrial complex.
JVL00:49:35I can tell you this, the difference between her and Vanessa Hudgens and any of these other other women who have played these parts before is that those other women are allowed to have fun on screen. And this script does not allow Lacey Chabert to have a minute of fun. Like, she is, she's the one who's doubting everything. She's, she's sad. She's worried. She's anxious. Overworked. She's overworked, right? All of these things. And, and between that and Stupid Jack or whatever, you know, Idiot Jack, it's just like, I want to kill these people. Make it stop. How, this is the longest fucking movie I've ever seen.
Mike00:50:21And I can't believe it was in. In hour 32.
JVL00:50:25I, I just, I just, I hated it in an aggressive, aggressive way. Michael? Yeah.
Sonny00:50:34No Christmas spirit this one. Yeah. No Christmas spirit.
Mike00:50:37I'm going to, I'm going to side with, with JVL here quite strongly. This is ridiculous.
Sonny00:50:44I am being attacked.
Mike00:50:46For your faith. Quiet you, quiet you.
Sonny00:50:49I am. I'm being attacked for my faith in Simple Jack Frost.
?00:50:53So.
Mike00:50:55That's what it is. It's Simple Jack Frost. So, okay. So a couple of things. So I just want to go through some, some disparate thoughts that I think actually sum up all the problems with this movie. So first thought, my lovely wife and I were watching this movie in order to, to prepare for the show. And I convinced her to do it. Reaction to the, to the melt, the, the, the, the, the creation of Jack, the human being, not, you know, out of the snowman, right? The snowman gets the thing and then, and then, and then becomes human and is naked. And it's very funny because the scarf is covering his manhood, et cetera. Her first reaction was, oh, he's ugly. He's weird looking. Which really cuts against the whole concept of hot frosty, doesn't it? Yes. So did you not pick that up on this, Sonny? So that's problem number one.
Sonny00:51:55Well, I'll say, well, his, his, his body type is certainly unusual. Like it's, it definitely, like he, yeah, I can, I understand what you're saying. I found him personally. I would have gotten it on with him right there on the screen. But like, I understand, I can understand why that wouldn't have been everybody's.
JVL00:52:15So much of this film depends upon the sight gag of like, he's got to look like a Chippendales model. Right.
Mike00:52:22He should look like Patrick Swayze and he doesn't like instead it's his, his, his body is like, is like, I get like, it's like a chisel. It's chiseled and he's muscular and he's got all of the, all of that, I guess. Go, but like, it's his face, right? That's, that's what, that's what my wife was. Yeah. So it turns out I looked up this actor and I didn't realize he was on the show Schitt's Creek, which we started to watch when it came out. I kind of grew bored with it. But he is, he is the dentist whom one of the actors, the, the, the main sort of daughter dates in the beginning of the show. And once I realized that he looks totally different, he's got short hair, but it's, I'll tell you what it is. It's his teeth. He's got very odd looking teeth. They're like very long and very crowded. In his mouth. And it just like, once I realized that it was the same person, I was like, oh, I thought he looked weird when we watched that TV show. Now I understand why we're, why I have this weird, get this weird vibe from him just looking at him. Okay. So that's problem number one. I agree that Lacey Chabert, is that how you say it? Chabert. That like, it doesn't work at all for her. This movie does not work at all for her because she's. She looks sad and she looks sad and. Vic watched this movie. He might've killed himself. Totally. Because he is an OG Lacey Chabert stan. Oh, sure. And like the, the little cute reference, like remember she turns on the TV and there's a. Oh, it's Lindsay Lohan. Yeah. We were in Mean Girls together. Yeah. She was like, she was like, oh, I went, that looks like a girl I went to high school with. It's like, all that did was remind me that like, oh, actually Lacey Chabert is like. Is funny and hot and happy and I'm not getting any of that.
JVL00:54:27Used to be.
Mike00:54:28Yeah. Used to be. Right. I mean, I think she, I think she's still a lovely person and. I think it's the movie's fault. Totally. That's what, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, and there is, there are a couple of moments where her, you guys may laugh at me for this, but like her acting chops really rise. Like, like, like she does like some really good work with like some really like crummy material. And I was like. Oh, like there, like there she is like a couple of moments like that, but there's just not enough. The tone of the movie, like the tone of the movie is uneven. It's like, are we supposed to feel like sad about like, gosh, you know, she, he discovers that the husband died of cancer and, you know, and by the way, the, the, like the doctors, the, the, the medical charts are written and it's not quite comic sans, but it's like, it's like some font that it's like, it's like, wow, that's like cheery Christmas font. Oh, I'm sorry. It's this chemotherapy.
Sonny00:55:29How else are you supposed to deliver this news to somebody suffering from cancer? You're just going to put it in fucking Helvetica. You're ridiculous.
Mike00:55:38Helvetica would have been an upgrade. Um, the, okay. So the comic relief, which is Craig Robinson and Joe Latrullio, who are the, the, the sheriff and his deputy, like it doesn't work. And it doesn't work because like, again, it's like a tonal problem where they look like they're about to crack up the whole time and you kind of want to do it with them. Like you want like everybody to like crack up and, and, and they don't. And so it, it just, it actually just, it gets in that uncanny Valley of like, wait, is it supposed to be funny? Or, or is Craig Robinson's like law and order cop who like, you know, arrests people for opening their candy in the movie theater too loudly? Like, is he a villain? And it never really works for me, uh, in, in that regard. And in fact, I will say this, I found like the three minutes of bloopers, which I did stick around for the three minutes of bloopers that run during the credits was more entertaining than anything in the actual movie. And it's because like the actors were like cutting up and like, you could tell they realized how ridiculous this was.
JVL00:56:54Um, another, nobody looks like they're having fun in this movie.
Mike00:56:58The only time, the only time they look like they're having fun is when they like they, when they fuck up and it's in a blooper and they're like, and it's, it is kind of funny cause it's like the, the sense, the, the realization it's like that it's a ridiculous movie they're making. Like, you know what I kept thinking about, Michael, I kept thinking about Noel.
JVL00:57:16Did you, did you, have you guys watched Noel? It's the Disney plus, uh, Anna Kendrick movie. Yeah. And throughout that film, everybody there is just like clearly having the time of their lives on set.
Mike00:57:32And it just shows because of that, right?
JVL00:57:34Like this is, you know, like Anna Kendrick is having a good time, the, um, the, the, who is the Saturday night live guy who bill hater bill hater is just like having a great fucking time on that. And it, this looks like everybody is drudgery, doesn't it?
Mike00:57:52Um, well they are in like filming in Canada, like it's like, it, it's probably not as fun as like filming in Atlanta or LA. So that could have something to do with it. Um, Lauren Holly, I did not recognize I was, I knew she was in this movie. Yes. I knew she was in the movie and I was like, where's Lauren Holly? And then I was like, oh yeah. Lauren Holly's an old lady now. Oh yeah. She is. Also. Um, dub and dubber came out 32 years ago, 30 years ago, it came out 30 years ago. I know. But it's, it's. You don't want, you don't have to think about, um, also is, so is her husband gay in this movie? Because like. Sure. He had like it. Yeah. And so I'm like, so that was also very, I was like, are they gonna make like a thing about that? Oh no. He's just like mincing around with a Ascot in their used clothing store that they owned together.
JVL00:58:42Also. Isn't simple Jack Frost also gay?
?00:58:45No.
JVL00:58:46Cause that was the effect I was getting off of that. The entire.
Sonny00:58:49No. I just thought to myself. You guys think everyone is gay. What is going on on this podcast today?
JVL00:58:54Is it more unbelievable that, uh, a snowman has come to life or that this particular snowman is into Lacey Chabert? I gotta say both require huge suspensions of disbelief.
Mike00:59:06Uh, I don't know about that. All I, okay. Here, but here, here's the, uh, the final thing I'll say about. He's Canadian hot for us. He's just super polite. Uh, just no. Okay. Like nothing about this movie moves at all. So to your point, JVL, we're watching this movie, I'm having whatever the opposite is of the time of my life. And I like pause it to see how much time is left. And there was 40 minutes left in this movie. I thought we were almost done.
JVL00:59:44So like this movie say that we, when we did that for the first time, when we paused to Shannon and I, cause we watched that as well, like you and Melissa. We did a, our first, like, oh God, how much time is left? And we were 36 minutes into the movie, 36 minutes in, and we had been hoping that there was only like 20 minutes left, but Sonny was a touch, you know, but you know, the Lord works in mysterious ways, Michael, and if, if it turns out that hot frosty is what leads Sonny to RCIA, it'll be, you know, it's a God laughs, right? We make plans.
Sonny01:00:22You know, I don't, I, I, I just, I, I look at, well, I see what the church has done to you. It's made you cynical and evil. And I, frankly, that's not what I want. It's not what I want for me. So I, I gotta find a different, I gotta find the church's simple Jack Frost.
Mike01:00:40Oh, one more thing. The very final interaction between these two at the very end of the movie, they, they, their faces are so close. Did you know? Listen, their faces are so close together when they're talking to each other that like it's like everything about this is like, again, my wife kept asking. She's like, was this AI generated? Like, was this movie AI generated with like every decision to like, now they are like about to kiss. And so we must have their faces close. Their faces were closer than any two people have ever been. Like it is close talker stuff.
JVL01:01:17Watching them was like watching Josh Hawley kiss his wife. Like I enjoy making love. To women vaginas, you know, like this is OK. You're you're you're not convincing us, but maybe you're convincing yourself.
Mike01:01:32All right. Any other thoughts on on poor, poor, hot frosting?
JVL01:01:38Every time, every time I saw it, hot, Carl, hot, Carl, hot, frosty, hot, Carl, hot, frosty.
Mike01:01:43Oh, also, it's it's like it's just the cheapest, like, you know, female wish fulfillment. Right. Like. Oh, he he like leave him at home watching TV and he ends up fixing the entire house. Like, oh, great. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. No other thoughts.
Sonny01:02:03I would I was I I did my one thought while watching that part was like, are these all Netflix shows? Is he is he watching like all Netflix shows to figure out how to how to fix the house clip from that was. So that was from the Netflix Christmas movie that she was in last year.
JVL01:02:21Oh, that's so funny. OK. OK. There you go.
Mike01:02:24I did. I did recognize that. All right. Well, you guys are monsters. You guys are monsters.
Sonny01:02:30Here's a here's a heartwarming family tale of a snowman who comes to life and fixes the soul of a town. And you guys are like, oh, he's too Canadian and gay. Got some butthead over here.
JVL01:02:48Oh, all right.
Mike01:02:51That is all. That's all the time we're going to give to this episode. Join us over at Sub-Beacon dot com and we will talk to you next time. I did feel sorry. I felt very bad for for Craig Robinson and Jola Trulio. I'm like, really? Like, you guys are actually funny. And this is this is not good. This is like totally it's missing every mark of funny. No. I'm sure it's fine.
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