#263. 'Trap'
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With JVL and Mike Warren both away, Sonny hosts a fill-in panel of Kristen Soltis-Anderson (KSA) and Mary Katherine Hamm (MKH) to review M. Night Shyamalan's Trap, and all three land in roughly the same place: the movie is a structural disaster but a Josh Hartnett triumph. Sonny argues the film violates its own premise by letting its serial-killer protagonist escape the "trapped" concert venue a full hour in, stranding the back forty minutes with characters he doesn't care about, but he calls it an acting masterclass anyway as Hartnett slides between menacing killer and awkward, sincere dad. KSA, a self-described horror-avoider who "reads the Wikipedia plot summary" of Shyamalan movies before watching, found the film's internal logic didn't hold up even once spoiled, but was charmed by small comic beats (a jealous tween's reaction shot, a flirtatious male pop star, Hayley Mills' Parent Trap-referencing narration) and by rooting for a serial killer despite herself; MKH liked the slow-burn first hour and was similarly unbothered by the plot holes, finding the "serial killer who's genuinely a good dad" conceit weirdly moving. Roughly the first third is catch-up banter: Kristen mid-move and down one AirPod, MKH's saga of abandoning her shoes, leggings, sports bra, sunglasses and car keys in a Harrisburg hotel bathroom stall, both women's beach-trip toddler chaos, Sonny's anti-sand crusade and new WeatherTech floor mats, a long Olympics/Peacock "Gold Zone" tangent, and a debate over three-meals-no-snacks parenting philosophy. Box office chat covers Apple's baffling decision to send the $150 million Clooney/Pitt film Wolfs almost straight to streaming after a token one-week theatrical run, plus a nod to the strong Deadpool & Wolverine and Trap openings. They close with an extended "Hartnettissance" retrospective tracing Josh Hartnett from teen-heartthrob roles in The Faculty, Pearl Harbor, and 40 Days and 40 Nights through his deliberate withdrawal from fame (he now lives in England with his wife and four kids) to his comeback in Oppenheimer, The Bear, and Trap, with a bonus riff on where other early-2000s heartthrobs (James Van Der Beek, Jennifer Garner) ended up.
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KSA and MKH sit in for JVL and MW[one more initial needed] to discuss M. Night Shyamalan's latest, Trap , and the return of Josh Hartnett.
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Sonny00:00:00What's with all the police everywhere?
Vic00:00:03I'm not supposed to tell them. You know the butcher, that frickin nut job that goes around chopping people up. The feds heard that he's gonna be here today. So they set up a trap for him. This whole concert, it's a trap. They're watching all the exits, they're checking everyone that leaves. There's no way to get out of here.
Sonny00:00:35Welcome back to the Sub-Beacon. I don't have my script here. I don't have a script here because Mike Warren usually does everything. I'm Sonny Bunch, of course. I'm back after the beach and very excited to be here. I'm very excited because Mike and JVL are both gone. It's great. They're not here. They're gone. They're off having vacations and relaxing. They also were at the beach. So I had to call in a couple favors, get to friends, fans of the show, long-time listeners, occasional commenters. It's great. Kristen showed up in the comments the other day to talk about her experiences at Universal Studios. But we got Kristen Soltis-Anderson and Mary Katherine Hamm, KSA, MKH, replacing JVL and MW. So it's working out just fine. Guys, thanks for being on the show today.
Guest00:01:28I'm so excited to be here. Very glad to be here.
Sonny00:01:32So we have lots to discuss. We're going to be talking about Trap, the new M. Night Shyamalan movie, but more specifically, the Josh Hartnett renaissance, the Hartnett-a-sance. Can we start that? It could be like the McCona-sance, but for Hartnett. I'm really excited to talk about that for a lot of reasons. But first, how has everybody's week been? Kristen, you are in the process. You're in the process of changing domiciles and you seem to, I'm looking at you right now, you have one AirPod in. Yes. What happened to the other one?
Guest00:02:06I was getting ready to come on today and went to go look for my headphones and I opened up the AirPod case and there was one AirPod in it. And that is a really garbage feeling because there was certainly not just one AirPod in it when I put them in and closed it. So I have no idea where the other one is. I have not done an extensive search yet. This is very rushed. It's complicated by the fact that I am moving from house to house. So now I'm like, is it in my purse? That would be the best thing that I just didn't find it in my cursor research in my purse. There's a chance that it's somewhere in this house but not packed, in which case I'll find it over the next few days while I'm packing up things. There's a chance that it is packed in some box somewhere, in which case it's not the end of the world. As long as it makes it to the new house okay, I'll find it when I'm unpacking. But there's also a chance that it is just gone and that will be deeply frustrating because I will have both pieces. I will have the case. I will have one air pod, but it will all be useless to me because I believe that I've lost air pods before. You can't just like get new air pods and put them in the old case. You kind of have to like buy the whole new thing from scratch. Is there a chance you can blame this on your toddler? No, I can't. I wish I could. There are plenty of things where I would think so, but she's I guard access to my purse pretty closely. I don't think that this was her. This was definitely me.
Sonny00:03:27A great question from MKH because one time I walked out of my bedroom to discover my air pods removed from their case and just set on a counter somewhere and I was like, I would never do this. So one of you two did it and my youngest immediately owned up to it. It was like, yeah, it was me. Ha ha ha. And like, no, that's not funny. That's not that's not amusing. I wanted to bring this up, Kristen, because I am I so I knock on wood, I'm literally knocking on wood right now. I have I've owned two distinct sets of air pods. I'd like the first generation and this this newer generation. And the only reason I got the newer generation is because the old ones finally wore out from sweat. I mostly wear them to work. I wear them to work out in podcasts. So lots of sweating in both. But the the but I but I've never lost like an individual air pod. And I know that's a thing. I know people lose air pods a lot. A friend of mine wrote a whole piece about how it like describing Apple almost as a subscription company that you like. You're basically renting air pods until you lose one and then you buy a new one and you just keep doing this over and over again and it drives a lot of their business. But I like this is totally foreign to me. It's like I don't lose sunglasses. I know people lose sunglasses all the time. People people people love losing sunglasses. I don't lose sunglasses. I don't lose air pods. And it's it's how does this happen? How does. How do people lose air pods?
Guest00:04:59Oh, I have let me introduce you to me. Yes, I have hi, I'm the lady with no executive function. Kristen and I are exactly opposite personality types in a hilarious way where the other day she was telling me that she was stressed about a stressed out about this move. And so she was making herself an Excel spreadsheet to like outline her jobs. And I was like, oh, wow, that's a thing that would never occur to me. And I know myself well enough that I owned one pair of air pods, which I believe was a present to me because I would not buy them for myself into circa 2016. I promptly lost that pair and was like, never again, only wires for MK. The only wireless pair of headphones I have is a giant beats set. I do not know where it is right now.
Sonny00:05:54Couldn't tell you. All right. But all right. So I guess like, again, I, I just, is it, is it, you lose the whole thing? Does, does the whole case disappear? Do you lose one of them? Like where do they go in the case of the, don't you just put them in the case?
Guest00:06:10Yeah. In the case of the 2016 air pods, uh, I, I have no idea what happened to the entire situation. I, I never saw it again. I moved houses. It never showed up. I often misplace things for long periods of time and then eventually recover them. That happens. These air pods never showed up again. I don't know what happened to them. And my mother, my husband, many people have told me if you put things in the same spot over and over again, you will be able to find them, but it's never, that's never stuck with me. So I've my, my time losing air pods. The first time I ever did this was I was taking the train from DC to New York to go on some show. And I had the air pods in my ears, but I had the case. It's on my lap. And I believe that what happened was I stood up to get off the train. The case fell off my lap, but in the hustle and bustle of everybody getting off the train, I lost the case. So I had the air pods with me, but the case was gone. And that's not like an easily fixable problem. Um, and Amtrak's lost and found was no use to me. Like that case was gone forever. Somebody has an empty air pods case somewhere. This time, what has happened is I still have the case and I have the left air pod. I believe what happened is that the case came open in my purse. Both of them or one of them fell out and I have not yet found it. Now that doesn't mean that it's in the purse that once it's loose from the case, like all bets are off, but I think that's probably what happened. I think if I was a guy and I primarily carried them in my pocket, this would be less likely to happen because it's more securely held. See, I can never catalog any of that in my head. In fact, can I, can I tell you guys a story just to illustrate the severity of my particular foibles? Um, I went to give a speech. I drove three and a half hours up there and, uh, you know, write my speech in my head on the way. Cause that's what I do. Get there. Give a speech. Speech went great. I'm at this hotel. Uh, afterwards I did a Megyn Kelly show for a couple of hours. So three hours later, after doing all this speaking, I am tired and I'm hungry. And uh, before the speech I had changed in the hotel bathroom, I got all ready, did my hair, did my makeup. So I'm ready to go out to my car and get some lunch. I'm going to go out on the town in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And I go to my car and I don't have my car keys and I thought, Hmm, that's going to be a problem. I really don't want dear husband, Steve to have to drive three and a half hours to rescue me here. I'm sure they're just in the bathroom where I changed. No problem. Go to the bathroom, look in the stall. They're not there. That is going to be a problem. So I go to the front desk and I say, hi, um, do you guys find anything in that front bathroom? I was just changing there. And the, the lady says, Okay. Was that you? And I said, uh, I think so. She goes to the back. She brings out a pair of shoes, a pair of leggings, a sports bra, a tank top, a pair of sunglasses and my car keys. It was as if I had been raptured from the bathroom stall, but because I turned my back and moved on with my life, those belongings just did not exist anymore.
Sonny00:09:24So, so what you're saying is you have a problem with object permanence. That's, that's the issue here is that there's, uh, well, it's funny that you mentioned car keys, Mary Catherine, because I was literally just about to ask you, all right, you're sitting here at your computer. You're looking at us, uh, through, through the screen. If I asked you right now, where are your car keys? Would you know?
Guest00:09:43Uh, I would have two guesses and they're probably one of them's probably right. Okay. Okay. Okay. So the other thing that's going to make me sad, by the way, if this air pod does not find its friend, and I know this is a way in which Mary Catherine and I are the same. Is I'm going to be sad that this air pod has lost its friend forever. For sure. So I am so brainbroken by the Pixar anthropomorphize everything universe, this move that I am doing. Okay. I've on the one hand, I love the Marie Kondo. Let's purge anything that doesn't bring me joy. Let's throw a bunch of stuff out kind of approach. This is also very hard for me because every time I pick something up and I'm like, I don't want this anymore. This is old. Let's get this out. We don't want to move this to the new house. I have these very complicated feelings about like, oh no, it's going to live in a landfill forever. Now that makes me so sad. I am condemning this item to death. Like it is. It's kind of making this very, very hard. And I know that I am not alone in this. I know Mary Catherine shares my belief that everything. I had a friend who does not feel this way antagonize me once. That's by throwing away one set, one side of a pair of shoes somewhere and the other somewhere else. And I was like, that is just cruel and unusual. Like the pair must go together.
Sonny00:11:05If you're going to throw them away, wait, where did you w they, he threw them in different trash cans. Yes.
Guest00:11:13Just on general principle, just to mess with me specifically so that when the shoes are undergoing what the toys go through at the end of toy story three, when they're all like heading, they're, they're all headed down toward the like thing. That's going to burn them and chew them up. And Andy and, or pardon me, Woody and buzz are like holding hands. Like as they go to their, their shoes will not get to experience that. That's right. They'll have to go all by themselves.
Sonny00:11:37I still think about it. My most deranged opinion is that the movie should have faded to black right then is in, in toy story three, it should have faded to black just a little bit too long.
Guest00:11:47It goes your way. You're like, okay, this is when they're going to get saved. Nope. Nope. Maybe this is when they're going to get saved.
Sonny00:11:54No. They should have faded to black and roll credits. And I, it would have traumatized an entire, it would have traumatized like three generations of people. Cause you know, that first one came out in what, 96, 97, something like that. And then anyway, uh, we're getting distracted here because I'm, I'm, I'm actually fascinated by this like weirdly Shintoist philosophy of, uh, objects with souls and, you know, feeling, feeling sad about them. Uh, all right. Uh, MKH, how are you doing? How has your, how has your summer been?
Guest00:12:27I'm good. I just got back from the beach as well. Uh, but I traveled to the beach with two toddlers, which is not as relaxing as other beach trips. Uh, and I, I have to say, you know, my, my lack of organization has its upsides, which is that I'm a very flexible person. I can really fly by the seat of my pants. That includes while traveling. My toddlers do not oblige me in this. They are, um, they're their father's children and, uh, they really, they really like to be in a nap at the very specific time in the very specific place. And I'm like, come on, roll with me kids. They do not want to roll with me. They are the poor, the poor, uh, two and a half year old is like home, please home, please. I'm like, girl, this is, we're on an adventure. She's like, I don't know the word adventure I'm two and a half, but, um, they, they did not roll. Roll with me, but we coped, we coped, uh, we had a couple of mornings where they woke up at, uh, well, one where they woke up at four 45, which I did not enjoy. And as you guys know, if you're bunking in the same room as your kids, they know you're there. So they can't wake up and go back to sleep. They need to wake up and lie on top of you like a very precious, expensive weighted blanket. Um, so that you can sleep for 15 more minutes and then start your day at five Oh five. So that's what I did. Uh, and, uh, but we did nonetheless get down to the beach, dig some sand, get dirty. I briefly traumatized, um, my little boy who is 18 months old. He had, this is his first sort of sentient beach trip. And we did the thing. We're like, oh, we're going to put our toes in the water. It's going to be lovely. It was kind of a stormy day. So we're not getting going in the water. And I put him right down and sure enough, what happens like foot high wave takes him out at the waist. Put him in the dirt and, uh, you know, he decided he didn't like the beach that much after that moment.
Sonny00:14:30That's a good lesson for any small child to learn though, because you have to, you should be afraid of the water. You need to be afraid of the ocean. The ocean is, is out to kill you in any number of ways. It's full of beasts. It's full of, it's full of dangerous beasts that have giant jaws and teeth.
Guest00:14:49There's also the sand. Sonny, I think you're pretty on record as taking the Anakin Skywalker position.
Sonny00:14:54Antisand. Antisand. Yeah. I am too. It's pretty bad. I explained ice. We, so we went to the beach. I took my family to San Diego and we had one day at the beach where we just went down to the, to mission beach and we're hanging out and it was nice, whatever. The weather's great. Oh, it's 70 degrees and no humidity and a nice breeze who could possibly want that. Um, but the, uh, but, but we, we went to the beach and I was like, you guys have to go to the little shower thing and wash yourselves all off and get clean before we get back. We get back in the car and they're like, why? It's a rental car. Who cares? And I'm like, I care.
Guest00:15:28I love that. They make this distinction.
Sonny00:15:30I don't want dirt all over the rental car and then we'll get it back in the hotel and you'll get it in your rooms and, but, but it's the, it's a hotel room that somebody will clean it up. No, it'll get in your sheets and it'll get in your clothes and it'll get in the luggage. Then it'll get back in our house. That's how it gets back in our house. And I was, I very, very, uh, very aggressively took them to the little seaside shower things
Guest00:15:53don't work very well, but I've heard that baby powder works for removing sand, but then you have baby powder everywhere. No, I think it clears out. I think that clears out. I don't just say it. I saw it on Instagram.
Sonny00:16:06I don't know. Well, if it's on Instagram, it's probably, it's probably true. Life hack.
Guest00:16:12Anyway, we headed back yesterday and that was a seven to seven and a half hour odyssey in the car with four kids coming back. So, um, I picked up two from camp. Had the two toddlers, there was a lot of screaming. There was a lot of throwing snacks in the general direction of everyone's car seat. Like here's a bar, go fish, just open everything up, pour it on the children. There are no rules in the car.
Sonny00:16:38What a nightmare. What? And I like, I, uh, I love my children dearly and anytime they start yelling for food in the car again, it's like, I don't want, I don't want crumbs everywhere.
Guest00:16:50Yeah.
Sonny00:16:51I don't want, I don't want your. Bars disintegrating in the floor floor mat. I did. I, I will. So I, I had my birthday, uh, a couple of, a couple of weeks ago and I asked for like the most dad gift that I've ever asked for. I was like, you know what I would really like? I would really like some weather tech floor mats gift. I want, I want nice fancy laser cut American made floor mats for my new car to catch all of the disgusting filth that falls from. The children. That's what, that's what I want.
Guest00:17:26Sub-Beacon moves product. I bet you there are going to be at least seven people who go out and buy weather tech mats after having heard this podcast. They are fantastic. As well they should.
Sonny00:17:35It's basically, it's like, it's a, it's Superbowl ad number one, Sub-Beacon in, in product mention number two. That's, those are, that's how you move. That's how you move items.
Guest00:17:45See, this is where Steve's in my, Steve and I team up here because I, I handle the, uh, uh, nightmare road trip with the four children and we throw food at the problem. Um, I don't do screens too much in the car, which is, I probably should probably try to do that, but I like that they can handle being in a car for a while without that. Uh, but we do have a mess when we come back. But as soon as we come back, Steve's like big girls unload the car. They unload the car, everything goes in the wash and then big kids and little kids contribute to getting trash and vacuuming, vacuuming, and it's done within. 20 minutes.
Sonny00:18:24Do you guys, do you guys have like a little shop vac that you wheel out there? Or is it just like, just like a little handheld? Yeah. Yeah.
Guest00:18:32Uh, the child army has to get that done.
Sonny00:18:35That's good. That's it's good. It's good. I, I'm, I'm glad to hear that about the tablets. Cause I'm the same way with tablets and cars. I don't, I don't like the kids using tablets and cars, but on airplanes, I'm like here, take your narcotic and put it in. Put it in front of your face and don't bother anyone on this, this airplane.
Guest00:18:57We have told our daughter that the iPad only works on planes. And when mommy and daddy are watching a car race, yep, obviously this may extend to football season. I don't know how we're going to play Sunday afternoons this fall. Now that she's old enough to, you know, do we just let her mainline cars directly into her veins? We'll see. Well, my kids get a little enough. Screen time that sometimes they're just happy to watch football with me. That's what I really want. That's the dream.
Sonny00:19:27That's what we're really going to work on. Will they watch football? Because that's I've still not quite gotten to that. So it's interesting. My daughter has been very into the Olympics these last last few weeks here because she and she she is like stereotypical American girl like, yes, Simone Biles, American gymnastics. It's amazing. This is what I do on Wednesday nights and like, yes, that's what you do. And and it's been great. She's been and she's watching everything like we watched competitive rock climbing yesterday. And it's amazing. Like, I don't know.
Guest00:20:01Awesome. They're like spiders. They just scale the wall so fast.
Sonny00:20:04I don't know how you guys feel about like the explosion of kind of fake Olympic sports like break dancing and skateboarding or whatever. But like of all the like relatively recent fake sports, fake, fake, fake rock wall climbing or like climbing up on a rock wall like fake mountain climbing. Is by far my favorite because it's it's not it's not judged like it's not a score. It's just a race. They just race up that thing. It's great.
Guest00:20:32It's very I prefer ones where there is the stopwatch is the judge, not a person.
Sonny00:20:37Yes.
Guest00:20:38The other one that I think highly recommend that I did not know existed is slalom kayak. I think is is essentially they're in the kayaks. They get dumped like they're on a platform and the platform just falls out from under them. So they get dumped down into what looks like a water park, lazy river rapids, and then they have to like go around obstacles like and they're like beating each other with the oars as they're going down. Like it's it's very violent. They're going around like these little poles that are hanging over the course. It looks ridiculous and kind of fun. So that's another one of those things I did not even know existed until like 72 hours. The training center is actually just Great Wolf Lodge. Probably.
Sonny00:21:22I'm going to have to check out the Peacock app and find that because that sounds amazing. That sounds I will say, as somebody who is vaguely skeptical of Peacock in general, they're I don't know if you guys have Peacock, you have the app. So I have been really impressed by how they have done the Olympics. Like first off, the image quality has just been very good, which is not always a given on streaming. But the but like the actual layout of the stuff has been I like I love that they have like a red zone. Basically. Yeah.
Guest00:21:54The gold zone. And it's hosted by the guys who do real red zone.
Sonny00:21:57And it's great. It's like, yes, this is this is what I've always wanted from the finally after 42 years, I have finally there I have what I want from the Olympics. It's it's constant gold medals and championship.
Guest00:22:11My favorite thing about the red zone coming to gold zone is that I guess the guy who does it for DirecTV, his name is like Andrew Siciliano. And Scott Hansen. Is the guy who does red zone for, you know, the NFL Network stuff that I watch. And so they got both of them. They were both on screen at the same time at one point, and it was like the like Batman versus Superman of. ADD infused sports watching, I don't know, it was great, it was great.
Sonny00:22:43It is it is interesting because I have like I have kind of come around to believe that red zone is probably bad for the NFL in the sense that like it does destroy the ability to watch a regular game in in in order. I like I have a hard time just sitting down and watching a regular football game now because I'm like stuff more stuff happen. More stuff happened. Please.
Guest00:23:06I don't need to be in on this 40 yard line. What is this nonsense? I don't watch the middle of the field. A punt.
Sonny00:23:12Why am I watching a punt on ridiculous? But it definitely this for the Olympics, it's great because again, there are just so many things that I don't care about. But like, is an American in the horse dancing competition? I'll watch that. We're going to get we're going to get a we're going to get a medal in that. Sure. That's important. Anyway. All right. So that is I don't know anything else. Anything else? What's what else is going on with you guys?
Guest00:23:40No, Sonny. What's going on in your world?
Sonny00:23:42Ah, no, I mentioned I just got back from San Diego. And this week, this is like the hell week for summer where we don't have any camps for the kids. It's like the the so my my youngest is moving from his his like daycare slash pre-K to the big, you know, the big school, the big elementary school where his sister goes. And the problem is that that school doesn't entirely overlap it like starts a week earlier, which means there he has like a week where there just is nothing. There's nothing for him to do like, like, we couldn't get him into any camps for the for this last week. My and my older daughter also like is at home. So they both been at home for a long time now. And it's it's starting to get to that point where it's like really need school to start. School is not daycare. School is kind of daycare, at least a little bit like it's it's it just I need not even daycare. It's just like mental wellness for me, like to not be constantly told every five minutes that they're hungry.
?00:24:52Is that Mary?
Sonny00:24:53Is that does that get better as they get old because your kids are a little older than mine? Does that sound better? Do they stop coming up to me every five minutes and saying, Daddy, we're hungry.
Guest00:25:06So we implemented a little something known as three meals a day. I don't know if you guys have heard of this concept. But as children, as children, certainly modern children, they reject the idea of three meals a day, right? It's just constant grazing. So once they hit about five and six or so, we went cold turkey, three meals, no snacks. That's what we do. Right. Unless when they come home from school, obviously, they've had a big day, they get a little something. But generally, three meals, eat protein at your meal, it'll last you till the next meal. And it turns out that if they don't eat between the meals, they're hungry at the meals. This is very French of you, Mary Catherine. So one of my favorite completely nutso parenting books that I read when I had my first was that bringing up baby book, which is by the like American woman who moves to France and looks around and goes, Why am I at this restaurant and the children are not throwing chicken tenders at each other? What kind of magical thing are they doing here in France? And turns out one of the things they're doing is exactly what you described. The children eat four times a day, they breakfast, lunch, snack and dinner, and that's it. So we have kind of tried to implement that here. Mother is too. So she's toddler is almost impossible. It's Yeah, it's it's a little bit anarchy, but I think there's something to that.
Sonny00:26:30I am a huge believer in this. And I really wish I could implement it in my household. I really wish I could I could bring that sort of thunder down on them where it's because here's what happens. I swear to God, this is true. We will go a week where we'd like no snacks. No, so you eat your lunch, eat breakfast and then lunch and then like some goldfish. You know, three or whatever. And then dinner at 6:00, 6:30. And we try this. And what happens is they just straight up refuse to eat dinner half the time and and go to bed hungry and wake up and at six in the morning are like, I want we want breakfast. Give us breakfast. And so we feed them the breakfast and then they have the lunch. And then again, the whole cycle starts again where they just like refuse to eat. And it drives me absolutely bananas. Like I know you're hungry. I know you're hungry. Eat your dinner. Just eat. It's not even it's like chicken nuggets and fish sticks. It's not it's not, you know, I didn't make a bouillabaisse for you. It's like, just just eat the eat the kids food, eat the fried kids food that he heated up in the oven. And they're like, no, we want we want a snack all day. Like, all right.
Guest00:27:43All right. Snacks will bleed you, too. That's it's a money thing for me. I'm like, I can't I can't be buying these expensive. It's several dollar things all the time for you to just, like, empty all day long.
Sonny00:27:56I will say I will say a ten dollar carton of goldfish goes a long way. Oh, yeah. Like that. I've gotten to the point in parenthood where you just start buying the giant like I buy the giant size Cheerios and I buy the the giant carton of goldfish and I wait and I wait for them to be on sale for like four dollars off at the Kroger and I buy like three of them. And just stock up because it's not like goldfish are going to go bad. You know, that's what you're eating when the road happens and you're trying to get from place to place and survive.
Guest00:28:30So we're all prepped is what you're saying.
Sonny00:28:32I kind of I mean, they go through it. It's not like I've got stores. I don't have a I don't have a you know, I need I need like a real prepper snack kitchen that if if the apocalypse did happen, we could go for at least 17 days without having to venture out for food. But that's not that's not in the cards right now. All right. All right. Good. Good weekend chatter. Excellent. I'm glad everybody's doing well. I do. Do you guys want box office? Box office thoughts. Box office.
Guest00:29:03What's the latest, Sonny? Is Hollywood OK?
Sonny00:29:06I don't know. You know what? You know what? News broke. Yes. So we're taping this on Thursday. News broke yesterday that the the new George Clooney, Brad Pitt movie Wolf's. Have you guys seen any of the trailers for this? See you guys don't even know what it is. So this is so Apple TV bought a package for this movie called Wolf's, which is from the director of the recent Spider-Man trilogy, John Watts, and stars Brad Pitt and George Clooney as individual fixers who have to team up to fix it. It's like it's like Ocean's Eleven meets Michael Clayton. Right.
Guest00:29:43That's like we're not doing wolves.
Sonny00:29:44They went with wolf's wolf's not not wolves. Because they're two individual wolf's you see not they're not like it's not like a pack of wolves.
Guest00:29:56I can't get on board with this. Rolls off the tongue. I can't get on board with the idea. I can't get on board with the grammar.
Sonny00:30:00The theory. The theory of the grammar, I think, is anyway, neither here nor there. The point is, this movie again, Apple must have paid I would say conservatively Apple paid one hundred fifty million dollars for this package because Pitt and Clooney both got 20 million. Watts probably got 20 million. Or somewhere in that range, 10 million plus points, you know, so that's that's 50 million right there. You figure you spend another 10 million on a lot of lost air pods. That's a lot. That's a lot of lost air pods. They figure they spend another 10 to 15 million on the rest of the cast and they spend, you know, money, whatever. And then the production budget is another, you know, 90 to 100 million. So we're looking at I would guess at the very least it's 150 million dollar movie. There is no way to make money on a movie. They cost 150 million dollars without a streaming component. You simply cannot put that sort of thing directly on streaming unless you are Netflix and Netflix plays by a different set of rules where no individual product is making them money. It's whatever. Apple yesterday announced that they're going to do a one week limited run and then they're going to put it straight on Apple TV Plus. And I don't understand. There's no universe in which this makes any business sense to me except one where they look at like Fly Me to the Moon. Did you guys see Fly Me to the Moon? Do you know what Fly Me to the Moon even is? No. Fly Me to the Moon starring Channing Tatum, Scarlett Johansson. It's about the space race. I missed that.
Guest00:31:29See, all of these ingredients sound great that I don't know about. This is a marketing failure.
Sonny00:31:34See, and this is this is the real problem. Nobody at Apple has any idea how to make anybody know about their products. So what they've decided, I think, is we're just not going to spend 40 million dollars advertising this thing that nobody's going to know about anyway. We're going to put it straight on our service and people will watch it there and lots of people watch it. Oh, new George Clooney Brad Pitt movie. Yay. Exciting. Everybody come to Apple TV Plus. This drives me fucking crazy. This drives me totally bananas because these are like there's just none of this makes any sense at all, unless there's just some executive somewhere who's like, well, we don't want to have everybody talking about how this movie is a big bomb. So we put it straight on Apple TV Plus and then no one will know. And then no one will know. No one will know how many people watched it. No one will. Uh. We're at the state of the box office. I mean, look, the box office is actually good. Deadpool and Wolverine is putting up is putting up essentially Barbie numbers, which is which is great. You know, Despicable Me four has done well. Long Legs is doing very well. The movie we're going to discuss today, Trap, opened to 16 million dollars, which is like not an enormous opening, but is perfectly fine for an original horror movie. That didn't cost that much money. I think it cost thirty five, forty million dollars, something like that. So like, you know, the box office is OK, but the fact that every executive seems so terrified of failing at the box office is like is like actually a really bad sign because here's another. All right, Kristen, are you excited for the F1 movie? The Brad Pitt, Joseph Kaczynski, F1 movie, you know about this one because, you know, you know, F1 stuff, right? Like, we got to know. We got another Brad Pitt movie, but here's here and this is a movie that's built for theaters, right? This is a movie with like big, loud cars and exciting car chases. And, you know, it's like it's like Top Gun Maverick meets Days of Thunder, right? Like, that's that's what we're looking at here. I could see a universe in which Apple is just like, oh, we're just gonna put this on TVs. People watch F1 races on their TVs. They can watch this on their TVs. And that's a disaster. You can't spend. They spent three hundred million dollars on this. You get spent three hundred million dollars on a movie and just put it on TV. Doesn't work. Economics of that do not work in any universe. And I think we are headed to more and more things like that. And it like breaks my every time it happens, it breaks my brain a little bit because I'm like, this doesn't make sense. Stop doing this.
Guest00:34:04I feel like this summer, this summer sort of pierced my mom bubble because I do feel like there's there's a lot of marketing failure going on because I am almost never reached with kid movie content. I never know what's in theaters, even though I spend a lot of time online and my Instagram ads are tailored to like a ridiculous degree, but I never see any movies coming out. Twisters and Deadpool pierced the mom bubble I and I actually want to see both of them in a theater. So I feel like somebody did something right this summer.
Sonny00:34:39Mm hmm. Well, Twisters has I'm guessing you get a lot of Glenn Powell content. I do. I feel like Glenn Powell's right in your wheelhouse.
Guest00:34:46Big. I'm a Glenn Powell gal.
Sonny00:34:49So so Glenn Powell, like Glenn Powell has legit star power, I think. So I think I told the story on the show a couple weeks back, I'll reiterate it here. But the I got new license plates for my car and I went to the dealership and the guy was putting them on and he remembered that I have a movie podcast and he said he was like, hey, did you see that Twister movie, the Twisters? And I was like, I did see that. I did say I liked it. It's good. It's like, yeah, I want to go see that. You know, a great trailer. I like I like the original. A great trailer. But it's got that guy from it's got that it's got that guy. It's got that guy from the Netflix movie where he played the undercover cop. And I was like, oh, Glenn Powell. Yeah, Glenn Powell hit man. That was he was like, yeah, I like that guy. He's good. He's he's good. I want to see him. I was like, oh, did you see it? So what did you do? Did you like him in Top Gun Maverick? I didn't see that. I was like, well, I didn't say what, but I thought it in my head. I was like, wait, so you saw the Netflix hit man movie. Yeah. But not Top Gun Maverick. And I was it was just it's just a fascinating glimpse into how average audiences work. He was also very excited for the new Beetlejuice movie. How are you guys?
Guest00:35:59So this was the I saw trailers before Trap and there were so I am in the JVL school of I do not see scary movies. Trap was fine JVL. It's safe for you to watch Trap. It's OK. But the trailers before Trap pass. It was a series. It was a series of nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. But then Beetlejuice was Beetlejuice Beetlejuice was one of the trailers that looked not like my kind of movie, but. I can see everybody seemed very old in it, which makes me want to watch the old one, but it didn't make me want to watch the new one. That's what it did for me.
Sonny00:36:37That's interesting. Did you have you seen the original, Kristen?
Guest00:36:40I have not.
Sonny00:36:41What? Oh, man. It's 80.
Guest00:36:44Well, my my daughter really likes that song Jump in the Line. And my husband's like this from the Beetlejuice movie. And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Sonny00:36:51You got to see it. You should. I mean, it's it's not scary. It's more funny than scary.
Guest00:36:56I would say. Yeah. Nothing about that trailer read is scary to me. Smile too. No, thank you. Want to see Smile? Alien Romulus. No, thank you. The one where James McAvoy has like a scary house on the coastal countryside and is clearly going to murder a bunch of people. No, thank you. Befie James McAvoy. Channing Tatum. So the one movie that I saw the trailer for when I was before Trapped, I was like, whoa, if I liked scary movies, I would see this is Channing Tatum essentially as like Richard Branson, like rich tech gajillionaire with an island. He and his buddies are going to bring a bunch of women to the island to party, except they get to the island and things go amiss. It's like it's like glass onion meets the menu, but maybe not as funny, but it's Channing Tatum. So like I was if I didn't hate scary movies so much, I would be open to that one. So I like I like scary movies. My husband is not a fan of scarier. He was OK with Trapped as well, but he doesn't like the horror stuff I do. But three of my troll trailers were people being invited on free awesome trips that they took someone up on and then got there and things went awry. I was like, people have to stop taking these free trips. And then I was like, oh, that's just a junket. Maybe I should think twice before. We probably do that all the time. Mary Katherine. Stop going to these nice resorts on someone else's dime. Why is there dirt under my fingernails? What's happening? Why don't I remember any of this?
Sonny00:38:26Did you guys get the the trailer for the Hugh Grant horror movie? Yes. Heretic.
Guest00:38:32I didn't get the trailer, but I've seen the clip online. I saw it. There was LDS Internet was circulating it as like the most accurate portrayal of girls on a mission like on their mission that has ever been put on the silver screen. So I saw the trailer. I'm I could be in trouble. I could be into that. I like the one Hugh Grant.
Sonny00:38:48Yeah, I love I love late stage Hugh Grant, like Hugh Grant for the last 10 years has been great. Paddington to Paddington. But what was the what's the Guy Ritchie movie? The Gentleman. He's so good in that. And he was in something. He was in another Guy Ritchie movie, Operation Fortune, Ruse de Guerre. He plays a villain in that. And then he's the Oompa Loompa in Willy Wonka. He's the cranky, the cranky Oompa Loompa, which was which was good. OK, we're here to talk trap. Trap is what we're discussing today, a very a very quick big boy review, because I feel like this movie is it's hard. It's hard to review without talking about it. So there's gonna be some spoilers here. So if you're really worried about spoilers, don't don't don't listen. Turn it off now. But Trap, very basic premise guy takes his daughter to the worst concert that's ever happened in the history of music. The singer is M Night Shyamalan's daughter. Good for him getting getting the job works program. But the he takes his daughter to this terrible, terrible concert. She's very excited to see Lady Raven perform. The dad, his name is Cooper, he's played by Josh Hartnett. And when he gets there, he notices there's a bunch of cops all around, cops all around the building. And he goes and he asked the guy is like, hey, what's the deal with all these cops? Why are there so many cops here? I'm very nervous about all these cops. Turns out there's a serial killer in the at the concert. Cops know the serial killer is going to be there. This whole thing is a trap. To get the serial killer. All right. So it turns out, of course, Josh Hartnett is the serial killer. He's the butcher. He's going around. He's cutting people up. And he's got a guy in a basement and a safe house right now. And he's got to figure out how to get out of there and get to get past all the cops. Now, here's here's my problem with this movie. Just on a structural level, it's set up as this one location. Thriller with with a very simple premise serial killer has to get out of the concert or get caught and whatever. That's it. Those in theory, those are the two things that should happen. He gets out of the concert or he gets caught in the concert. He gets out of the concert an hour into the movie. And then there's like 40 more minutes full of people I don't care about. We spend a ton of time with the singer learning about her and her and she she gets. And like, there's this, you know, this kind of amusing subplot where she gets on Instagram live or something and her Facebook live and is like, you guys got to find this guy. He's being held by the butcher. And they find him in like three minutes, which actually feels about right, frankly. That's like very it's like something Taylor Swift could definitely do. But the but like and then we're with his the rest of his family who we don't meet again until like an hour and 10 minutes into this movie. And we spent a bunch of time with it. Like, I don't care about any of that. I don't I don't I don't actually care that much about all that stuff. It violates its own premise. And that's that's always I feel like a movie, a movie sets out to do a thing. And if it does the thing, well, it works even if it's not a great movie and if it doesn't do that thing, it doesn't work. And this is one of those things where it like it pitches itself as one location thriller, two outcomes get caught, don't get caught. It just was like, ah, no, we're not going to do that anymore. It's like it's 100 percent a script problem. M Night Shyamalan wrote himself into a corner after fifty five pages, it was like, I guess we leave. I guess we just leave the venue. That's fine. That's not that's that's OK, whatever. But but I will say that I did enjoy this movie despite myself, because Josh Hartnett gives one of just my the best performances I've seen all year in a long time. And he does. He does it because he is playing the character he so again, he's a serial killer. He's got a kid. He's got two kids, but he's there with his daughter and he's he's like doing the awkward dad thing. And he's trying to be a good dad. He's trying to help his daughter with her is her problems with her friends. And he's running into like the mom of the classmate and she's being a real bitch. And he's like trying to hold it together. And he's also, of course, at the same time, like trying to do the serial killer thing and like get out of this situation he's found himself in. And the way he kind of slides, the way Hartnett slides between these two modes is just really fun to watch. Like, it's just like a total it is an acting masterclass. Good for Josh Hartnett. I like seeing him on screen. He was great in Oppenheimer recently. I feel like we're again in the middle of kind of a Hartnettissance. It's great where he's he's been in a bunch of stuff recently was in Wrath of Man, Operation Fortune, Rouge de Guerre. That comes up again. He was on. Do you guys watch The Bear?
Guest00:43:41Yeah, he's in I know he's in the new season of The Bear. I haven't seen it yet. But I hear he's good.
Sonny00:43:46He's got like a one scene appearance in The Bear and he's very good. Just again, it's like it's nice. It's just nice to have him back in our lives. So that's my basic thought on this movie. It doesn't really work on any plotting level, just total disaster. But I still kind of enjoyed it because Shyamalan gets a really, really good performance out of Hartnett. So that's that's where I am with this. Kristen, what did you make of Trap?
Guest00:44:11So I again, I'm the JVL school of I don't really see. Scary movies. I have seen a handful of M Night Shyamalan's movies and I find them all to be like unsettling long after the fact of me having seen them like I still think about the home invasion from Unbreakable and it like it's me out and makes me unable to sleep when I see an empty water glass or a mostly empty water glass in my room. I think about like, well, when the aliens from science show up, at least I'll be able to kill them. So like his movies linger in my mind for a while, so I was a little apprehensive about seeing this. Like what kind of way what is what seed is going to get planted here that I'll never be able to unsee. There's nothing here that there's nothing scary, but I read I consume M Night Shyamalan's movies by reading the Wikipedia pages about them the day they come out. So I went into trap already knowing there's no twist already knowing they're going to get out, but the the Wikipedia description of the plot didn't make a ton of sense once they get out and even once they're like getting out there were things I was like, how's that work in the movie turns out seeing the movie doesn't actually answer any of those questions doesn't actually make a lot of those things make much more sense. But like you I will found it to be the first half of the movie to be so entertaining and even the second part when the plot doesn't make any sense and the dialogue is genuinely terrible. I'm still so charmed by the way that they're making me root for the serial killer to like try to evade. It was it was entertaining to me in that sense. Now I do have there were a couple moments that I found particularly delightful. One is I loved that the I loved the scene where they show at one point in the him getting out of the arena. Part of his plan becomes he's going to have his daughter be chosen as the dreamer girl like the main pop star bring somebody up on stage with her and that's how they're going to get backstage and that's how they're going to get out so he tells M Night Shyamalan who is playing like the girl's you know family member oh my daughter is recovering from leukemia so she gets picked to be the dreamer girl. The look on the face of this tween girls frenemy rival when her friend gets to go up on stage I let out an audible like I was so tickled by that moment because the girl was just like oh my god it was like so offended it was perfect. I was so thankful that M Night Shyamalan gave us that moment. It was it was wonderful and there were there were a few other little moments like that where I just could not help but laugh there's a moment where there's a male artist who goes up on stage to perform with Lady Raven who's got this like long blonde hair he's he's very diva-ish and as he's walking out he catches sight of Josh Harnett and like gives him the eye and is like kind of flirting with them and I was like that's amazing I love this he's channeling a lot of a lot of women right now. And so there were moments that made me very happy and just sort of delighted even in this movie that's very dark. I did have a number of questions and I would like to read to you the list of questions yes that I had after coming out of the movie question why is this concert happening in the middle of the afternoon question why is everyone giving him the benefit of the doubt for doing minimally nice things like not having your daughter jump the line to get a t-shirt or I don't know picking up a girl off the ground who is having a diabetic episode. He does these basic normal human things that people are like you're such a saint oh my gosh I now totally trust you Mr. Serial Killer hot plus minimal niceness it's like it seems
Sonny00:47:57it's the HR meme it's 100% the HR meme yeah it's like oh you're sweet what is the plan
Guest00:48:04here exactly to catch the serial killer unclear why is the FBI profiler giving all of this information about the plan over the radio constantly.
Sonny00:48:13I want to go back to the plan was to violate the civil rights of every man in that single one every single they were they were just going to like put every man in this concert in the Gitmo for a month while they sorted through all of their backgrounds that's as best as I could tell that's that's what was going on.
Guest00:48:32Why are none of the workers alarmed that they're they are definitely in the presence of a serial killer they have been so clearly briefed on the fact that this man will be there and yet none of they all seem to think it's cool not like oh I'm going to get. Chopped up. What is Jody's mom's problem why does she keep insisting on talking to Josh Hartnett I mean. There's a moment when Lady Raven I believe uses an inhaler and they set that up like it's like a Chekhov's gun that never goes off nothing that happens nothing happens with that why is Josh Hartnett shirtless at the end. I think we all know the answer to that yeah I guess that answers itself we just want to get his clothes dirty why do the cops let him hug his daughter at the very end as he's being led away like what why is he allowed to just be like let out of custody briefly to hug his daughter doesn't make any sense. So there are lots of questions like that but I think so after the movie I then went back and was like trying to read more about it. And the thing that I think is interesting that maybe you Sonny as a film student of film will find interesting is the parallels between this and the movie psycho the idea so there's a ton something we haven't talked about at all yet in this movie is that it is. Somebody about the Josh Hartnett's character being a serial killer and part of this is something to do with his mother yes hallucinations of his mother keep showing up it's the the profiler says oh she would have been the one who would have identified him as a broken person who would be capable of committing a serial murders but nobody else would have ever seen it because he's so handsome and charming. I never understand the mother stuff except that I think Shyamalan is trying to make this psycho right somebody who behaves normally and charming but on the side is also a killer and something I didn't realize because it's been a million years since I saw psycho as I guess one of the big lines is Norman Bates says that he is living in his own private trap and so I'm sure this is like a Shyamalan that's why the movie is called trap that is a reference to psycho in that regard the last other like filmy thing that stuck out to me so Hayley Mills is the actress who plays this FBI profiler who's narrating the whole thing on the radio oh this guy's a psycho killer but he's here's what he's gonna do to try to get out. He plays the main character in the parent trap and I feel like that has to be why she was cast in this role I mean not that she's not good in it but it's such a small weird role I think it has to be this like throwaway reference to the parent 100% Hayley Mills appearance was perhaps the most delightful surprise to me I was so glad she was there doing her ridiculous narration of the entire plan over the last question why does Lady Raven care so much about. Catching the serial killer she so I'm very personally invested so I could have fixed this by saying oh her cousin was one of the victims like that I solved so much for me
Sonny00:51:21I am I am like so when I was watching the movie there remember the moment where she's like oh that's a nice ring that that the daughter has that is clearly like a memento Josh Hartnett a stolen from a victim right 100% there's a version of this movie there's probably it's probably on the on the editing room floor. Somewhere where Lady Raven's like I don't know sister was killed by the butcher or something and like that is a piece of jewelry that she recognizes and I I don't know it's like the inhaler thing there's there's all sort there's like an entire Lady Raven subplot that got truncated in in editing somewhere where they were just like we don't need any of this we don't we don't need any maybe they did need it because maybe everything would have made more sense but I don't know. Mary Catherine what do you think?
Guest00:52:14I enjoyed it particularly the first hour and 10 minutes I I like a movie with a little bit of a slow burn at the beginning and this was I actually thought contra you Sonny that they wrote the pop songs fairly convincingly and choreographed things fairly can it didn't feel like a thrown together concert to me it felt like something that was like oh this is what tweens like this makes sense.
Sonny00:52:42That was thrown together I didn't say I just said it was terrible yeah just the worst.
Guest00:52:49So I liked that I thought you know Josh Hartnett still got it I love that they briefed every t-shirt salesperson on the sting in the stadium it was a quite a far-fetched plan for grabbing this guy and also at one point this very very skilled profiler. I don't know why this was part of it I think she should know his race and age and it turns out she does at some point later but at some point over the radio they're like well there's these four different descriptions of men we're looking for which I guess just allows you to violate as we noted every single poor dad who took his kid to this tween concert to begin with to have his rights violated on top of it which is quite a move. When they left the concert. I was and I was sort of enjoying the idea of the pop star being unexpectedly brave. Like oh that's interesting to me I didn't see that I thought she would be meek she's not meek she makes some plans she does some clever stuff I thought the Instagram live actually would work and it would work quickly. If you have that many people who are psycho fans looking for the thing that you have asked them to look for so I thought that was interesting. His family stuff and the wife I didn't care about that I did I'm I was not mad about the opportunity for him to gratuitously remove his shirt which is like so silly the way they put that the wife is like I smelled cleaning fluids on your clothes and he's like well then I must obviously disrobe for this last one last murder. And then lastly just tactically as you noted the the hugging of the daughter him picking up the bike was weird. Why are we teasing this man? Yeah, why did they just cap him like a deadly force situation because then it gave him an opportunity to gouge some dude's eyes out. That was the one moment of gore in the movie that I was like oh that and the girl getting splashed with the hot oil no oh yeah that was pretty gross that was rough.
Sonny00:55:11So I will say I the thing I like most about this movie is is the family drama stuff but not the stuff with the rest of the family. It's the stuff with the the daughter at the concert and the and you and the scene the shot where the the the crazy mom is yelling at her you know kind of bitchy daughter and like you know like all of that stuff I thought was great and was really well done and then the the moment with the wife at the end where he he says. He says something like the thing I resent most about this is I'm not going to get to watch the kids grow up and it's it's deranged it's deranged right because it's like oh serial killer you know but I'm like I am I empathize with that that's a very interstellar that's a that that's sad that's sad for serial the butcher that's sad for the butcher I found
Guest00:56:01the concept of serial killer but really good dad to be compelling and hard for me to deal with a little bit.
Sonny00:56:11And it's like it's it's actually it's and this is why this is why the movie works and the movie again I think works at least for me and maybe you guys too because you're you're about the same age as I am the movie works for me because of Josh Hartnett specifically so like when when I you know when when we were when we were younger Josh Hartnett was the the guy in the he was the like kind of the drug dealer in the faculty right that's like the first place I remember seeing him. The faculty where he's like you know he's kind of the bad boy drug dealer but also like decent guy and then you know like he kind of he he he like works his way up the Hollywood ladder he they try to make him you know a kind of straightforward star they put him in Pearl Harbor and Hollywood Homicide with with Harrison Ford and like he doesn't work in those roles that doesn't that's not that's not what he he is best at and then he kind of goes away for a little. Still around my favorite Josh Hartnett movie is actually 30 days of night you guys Kristen you probably haven't seen it vampire movie I don't know MK you may you may but the but like great concept town in Alaska where the sun goes away for a month vampires come and ravage the town when he's the sheriff who has to like fight them off and he's great in that because he he he gets to be kind of quiet and dark in that movie which is I think the best mode for him and that's what shows up here but what I again what I like about her and this movie trap is he is kind of aged into that like middle aged dad ish kind of role right about the same time I did I am I like I'm like yes this is I'm not saying Josh Hartnett is me but I'm saying like it like it feels familiar it's like this is he is living a life that I recognize and understand and that's why I think this movie works even though it doesn't work really at all. on any on any logical level the matically I'm very much there with him as the you know as the struggling dad trying to keep it together and not miss out his parents going up because he did a little murdering it's just a little few people is it is that really worth him losing his whole future and life I don't know what I think is so great too is again there's
Guest00:58:36so much about this movie that doesn't work there's so much that doesn't make sense there are there's a lot of dialogue that is just atrocious like Josh Hartnett pulls it off and then there are these little touches like one thing I noticed that stuck out is there's a moment where Lady Raven has taken Josh Hartnett's character's phone into the bathroom and she's using it to try to figure out where the guy is or the guy who's trapped in a basement who's gonna get murdered and she's trying to ask him where the information is so eventually she opens the door and lets Josh Hartnett back in so she can leave and when he's leaving. he notices that the hand towel hanging in the bathroom is a little crooked and he just adjusts it just like real like you you only really notice it because the profiler has said like this killer is going to be someone who's super OCD or not the profiler Lady Raven somehow has memorized the dossier on the killer and is reciting it back to the family in their living room to try to obviously make the case he's right here this is him this is the butcher he's standing next to me but it was like those little things and then at the end when he's trying to put Lady Raven into. A car to run away like he like adjusts one of the tennis rackets hanging on the wall because it's like a little bit crooked so little details like that I think make it so good and his career is so fascinating because I remember seeing him in Oppenheimer and thinking hey that guy I haven't seen him in a long time he he was like a teen heartthrob and and now he's in this like very respectable role in this film that's going to potentially get a bunch of Oscars like I'm fascinated by this journey and then I realized I was like well hang on what what movie am I remembering him from and I looked at the IMDB and he's been in a lot of things that I didn't see I saw Pearl Harbor on a date in high school I think but I didn't like there's a ton of things that I didn't see and I realized my memories of Josh Hartnett come purely from him being on like the cover of teen magazines that I got it's not actually because I've watched like 10 million movies with him in it he was just going to be the next guy. So there's this really fascinating interview in Vanity Fair from 2001 he's in Morocco he's filming Black Hawk Down and they interview him because Pearl Harbor is about to come out and it's basically like Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer saying like this is going to be the next Leonardo DiCaprio if he can just avoid fame messing him up he'll be the next Leonardo DiCaprio and it turns out that he actually didn't want to be famous like he left Hollywood he now lives with his wife and three kids in England like. He evacuated from the crazy and is now coming back in in these fun roles I think that's
Sonny01:01:14such an interesting choice it is it is and again like I think there was there's this very specific moment in Hollywood where they're like this is our he was like the Sam Worthington of 2000 to 2002 where they're like we're going to put him in a bunch of stuff and audiences are going to love him because he's he's so charming and handsome and it just didn't work out it didn't work out and I think that I look I you know. Here's what it is he can he makes his choices and it's fine but I think I think where he has ended up and what he can do going forward is better for him then I don't know what do
Guest01:01:50you what's your favorite heart so well so I remember peak Hartnett to me was 40 days and 40 nights do you guys remember this movie with the other the girl at the time who was Shannon Sossaman I don't know if she's still doing things but the I believe the premise that he was going to abstain from sex for 40 days and it was like sort of this titillating teen comedy drama situation but I'm like you Kristen where I mostly remember him from being 18 heartthrob but he seems I having read up on him for this seems like a cool dude he's he's living with his wife they now they just announced they had a fourth child they have four kids and he's there was a quote where he said he referenced his time at the top and said I think trying to stay at the top is a shortcut to unhappiness and I like to believe and maybe I'm projecting this but I like to see him in his dad life in this part of his life living happily and enjoying these interesting roles and being very good at it Kristen by the way got a a an immediate text message from me the second I saw him hit the screen in Oppenheimer I was like whoa whoa whoa what do we have here? let's talk about sexy professor Josh Hartnett in his new era
Sonny01:03:12it's good I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad uh Josh Hartnett is back because he's uh he's he's good and again I like I like this old I mean middle middle-aged Josh Hartnett it's great it's great professor serial killer dad it all it all works out it is interesting to see who from that era
Guest01:03:33has now aged into the you know wholesome dad content James Van Der Beek is another one Dawson's Creek star played Dawson uh and then kind of went away um you know hasn't really been my favorite work of the last decade and a half of him is when he pops up in Kesha's music video for Blow uh it is it's a pretty great three-minute watch but otherwise he's kind of been nowhere in terms of big fame but like on Instagram he's constantly this like happy dad content kind of guy and it's just like you could never I don't know if I would have seen this coming 20 years ago like this is where we'd all end up.
Sonny01:04:08Uh and then and then on like the the the lady side of things you have like Sarah Michelle Gellar and uh like Katie Holmes and that that kind of whole crew I I feel like Jennifer Love Hewitt like I feel like that whole generation has kind of been lost to us as well I don't know.
Guest01:04:25I think Jennifer Garner has has done a a nice arc from around that period of time too where she's she's still doing stuff she looks like a happy person who lives but that's see that's what I'm really in it for I like to see these people living good lives it makes me happy to see them raising their children and enjoying themselves and she seems like somebody who is. Which is why you and I have had to unfollow Britney Spears on Instagram. Oh dear. Because that's the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. That's not great.
Sonny01:04:51No it's I just want her to be happy. I find that all very troubling I don't know. It is very troubling. Uh all right uh Kristen you gotta run so let's let's wrap up here uh I hope everybody enjoyed the show we'll be excited to have JBL and Mike back uh next week uh but thank you so much to Kristen and Mary Katherine for being on the show today. It was a great of you to sit in for us. I really appreciate the the time. Thank you for having us. Glad to do it and um I'm your I guess I'm your scary movie person if you need one. I I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna have a little note card up on my wall that I can call for horror movies because I somehow I do two podcasts where I talk about movies that come out each week and nobody on any of the the shows I do like scary movies. It's bizarre. Mike Warren was like no I like scary movies but he doesn't. I don't. I think he's a he's a fibber. All right uh all right guys thanks for being on the show uh and uh go sign up sign up at the Patreon. I I don't know why we say this at the end of it because we don't put them out on the iTunes anymore for free but go sign up at the Patreon people who have already signed up at the Patreon. Comment. Do the things. Comments comments leave leave a review or whatever. It's it's great. All right uh we'll talk to you guys next week.
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Guest01:06:13Any anything for outtakes? Any any quits quick? I finally watched Blackberry. Uh you all had recommended it. I never watched it. Finally watched it over the weekend. It is so good. I'm so glad that I took your advice and as is always the case I should have taken your advice sooner.
Sonny01:06:29Yes. That's a fantastic movie. Everyone should do that.
Guest01:06:32That one and Tetris I've been recommending to everyone. Um Tetris has a little like ideological shot in the arm for for those of us who like capitalism and and freedom. So that's wait who's the actor in that one? That's it's like starring somebody that I
Sonny01:06:46like. Taryn Egerton. He's the guy from uh the Kingsman movies and he played Elton John in the
Guest01:06:56Elton John movie. I do like him but I don't think that's who I was thinking of. Um I do have one last thought about this movie which is specifically for Kristen. Uh was the waffle fabric shirt with the stripes on it Josh Hartnett is wearing with the corduroy jacket supposed to evoke our 90s uh teen heartthrob feelings. It was perfect. You could have pulled that out of somebody's closet in 1999 and nobody would have blinked. It was like you put Josh Hartnett in Jordan Catalano's clothes. I'm there for it. Must have been an intentional choice. It was well that and then of course him taking his shirt off at the end obviously and
Sonny01:07:37intentional choice. Yeah. All right. All right. I'm sure it's fine.
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