#243. 'Ghostbusters'
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Mike, Sonny, and JVL open with an extended dive into the Shohei Ohtani gambling scandal—his interpreter Ippei Mizuhara allegedly stealing $4.7 million to cover illegal-bookie debts—spinning out Pete Rose and Michael Jordan gambling-conspiracy comparisons, jokes about Ohtani's newly revealed basketball-player wife Mamiko Tanaka, and a tangent on the toxicity of sports betting generally; JVL teases a future deep-dive on the brutal Barkley Marathon, and Mike recounts watching the Don Bluth-adjacent oddity The Black Cauldron with his kids before the trio runs through the box office (Kung Fu Panda 4 holding at number one, Dune: Part Two crossing $200 million, and the doomed American Society of Magical Negroes). The main event is a loving rewatch of Ghostbusters (1984), and all three hosts are effusive. Sonny calls it a loosely-strung "series of moments" rather than a tightly plotted film, reads it as a quintessentially Reagan-era story of scrappy private-sector heroes versus a villainous EPA bureaucrat, and marvels at newly noticing that the New York exteriors are real but every interior—including the Gozer rooftop—was shot on an LA soundstage with matte paintings. JVL's key insight is that Ghostbusters is "a funny movie without jokes," powered by Bill Murray's chaotic-good energy as Venkman, and he confesses he only just realized the infamous ghost-blowjob scene is Dan Aykroyd's dream, not reality. Mike praises the film's efficient, unexplained world-building, singles out Rick Moranis's performance (recounting his 1997 retirement to raise his kids after his wife's death), and spots deep-cut cameo actors shared with Ace Ventura and Cheers. The conversation pivots into a shared dislike of Ghostbusters: Afterlife and Frozen Empire as pure nostalgia plays that betray the original's total lack of nostalgia—Sonny coins the term "cheers" for audiences applauding mere fan-service cameos—before closing with a note that the 1984 film remains the 37th highest-grossing movie of all time domestically.
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Mike00:00:00Welcome to the Sub-Beacon podcast. I am your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who learned the hard way not to cross the streams, Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at Sub-Beacon.com, where you can become a patron, get episodes every Friday morning, bonus episodes on Mondays when we do them. Maybe we'll start those over again. Join the conversation, but you've got to be a patron. You've got to do it at Sub-Beacon.com. We're going to be going in the Wayback Machine to talk about Ghostbusters 1984 later in the show. But first, how are we doing? Sonny, what is going on with you?
Sonny00:00:56Not much. I wanted to talk about the Shohei Otani story. So I don't know if folks have been paying attention to this. It's sports. It's not pop culture. So it's a little outside our normal wheelhouse here. But I find it fascinating. So basically, yesterday, Wednesday, we're taping this on Thursday. Yesterday, Wednesday, Los Angeles Times breaks a story that the translator for Shohei Otani has apparently it was unclear. It was unclear because I don't have a Los Angeles Times subscription, so I couldn't read the story. But from the chatter I was gathering on the Internet, it sounded like the translator was being accused of stealing a large sum of money, millions of dollars. Why did he steal 4.7 million dollars? Why did he steal these millions of dollars to cover gambling losses? And right there, anybody who follows sports. And has followed the like gambling, gambling a vacation of sports of professional sports, their ears perk up because it's like, oh, oh, Shohei Ohtani, his translator was stealing money to gamble with. That's interesting. So then so then there's all of this back and forth. And initially, again, as the story progresses, initially, what is reported is that Ohtani's translator got into debt. With an illegal bookies, like in Snatch, like he's going down to the he's going down to Bricktop's place and putting some coppers on the on the illegal fistfights. And and and that Shohei Ohtani had covered his debts for him, had had had paid the you know, he had paid.
JVL00:02:50That's a very honorable thing to do.
Mike00:02:52It was we should.
Sonny00:02:54Which is we. I which it's either that or he has to commit seppuku. It's one of the two.
Mike00:02:58So, Mike, you have we should we should clarify that when we say Ohtani's translator, this is not just a translator. This is a guy who goes to all of the games, travels with him. He was so close to Ohtani that he was known in both the Angels and the Dodgers locker room is like his brother, very close friend, somebody paid by those organizations more than just. Just a translator, really kind of a almost like a body.
Sonny00:03:28He's a buddy.
JVL00:03:29He's a body man slash hanger on slash translator slash family member.
Sonny00:03:34He's he's he's basically John Favreau from Iron Man. Like that. Yeah, that is. That's one way to think about it. So. So. All right. So at first, the story is this guy gambled a lot of money and Shohei Ohtani paid his debts. And this was this was it was an interview with ESPN and then a little bit later, he a little bit later, the story changes radically to this guy stole four point seven million dollars that this guy has taken the money and has absconded with it. And I'm very upset with I'm very upset with Ipe or whatever his name is. That's Shohei Ohtani wagging his finger, demanding an honorable disemboweling and beheading. All right. So.
JVL00:04:18So I was seen. I don't know if you guys caught this in the story, but he was last seen being led away by some guys in. Red jumpsuits, which had like black masks with zeros on them.
Sonny00:04:30Yes. Yes. Well, that that's not Japan, but that's OK. It's that's close enough.
Mike00:04:35That's where they are. That's where they are.
Sonny00:04:37You made me cut my Aquafina joke last week. And now you're you're doing. All right.
Mike00:04:41So the Dodgers are in Korea right now. This adds to it all.
Sonny00:04:45So anyway. So. So. So. OK. So. So. So. So you have the story that involves a baseball, B, gambling and see stories changing and D, lots of money. And. And E, the biggest player in the game, the biggest player who has this enormous three hundred twenty five million dollar contract or whatever, like we're talking we're not talking about like this is not like Joe Bob backup second baseman for the Colorado Rockies got, you know, in trouble with DraftKings to the tune of five hundred thousand dollars. We're talking about like a big deal. This is a big, big deal. And like every single thing. And I look, I we live in we live in a conspiratorial time. People like to make stories. They like to they like to connect their own dots. Sure. But as I'm watching, as I'm just watching the different updates to this story fold out, I immediately think Pete Rose, he's going to get Pete Rose. He's going to get Pete Rose because he was gambling on sports. It may not have been his own team. He may not have been shaving points or he may not even have been baseball, but he's gambling and he's gambling at such a high level. The feds were. The feds were looking into it because that's how all of this was discovered. It was a federal inquiry into like where. Into the bookie. Into the bookie, into the bookie, into this illegal, into this, again, this, you know, I am, I look, I don't, I don't want to cast aspersions on Shohei Ohtani, who by all indications seems to be like a pretty decent guy. Everyone seems to like him. Honorable man. That motherfucker is gambling millions. He's gambling millions. And he's doing it. Through his, his translator. And then he had left his translator out to dry. This is the best part of all this. His brother, his translator is this man, this, his body man. He has said to him, you're going to have to take the fall for this. And he gladly did it because he knows he's going to get like an island off of, you know, the, the Japanese mainland.
JVL00:06:44And their culture, you know, having the squire take the fall for the Shogun is kind of like an assumed thing.
Mike00:06:50We haven't watched Shogun, by the way. Maybe that's a, that's.
JVL00:06:53I'm watching Shogun. So what you're saying, Sonny. Basically, is that you feel about this story, the way you did the day after Thanksgiving, when you heard on the news, Tiger Woods was in a car accident last night. Wait, wait a minute. A car accident in his own driveway. That doesn't make sense.
Sonny00:07:12Well, I, yes, basically.
JVL00:07:14Michael Jordan is just retiring because he wants to play baseball.
Sonny00:07:18And this, so this is, this is, this is the joke that I made on Twitter was like, sounds like Shohei Ohtani is about to go play minor league basketball. For a couple of seasons, because, because like, I remember, so Michael Jordan, biggest basketball player in the world. He's enormously successful. Also known to be a degenerate gambler, though, in the, in the, in the semi-legal context, obsessive game in the semi-legal context of NBA gambling, where it's like on cards on planes and, you know, shoot around, whatever.
Mike00:07:49What was the coin game in, in the last dance where he's like playing with the suit?
JVL00:07:55Security guards, quarters, quarters. I mean, there are stories about him and he will, he like force people to come and watch him gambling. He was like an exhibitionist for gambling. So he would, there are stories of him taking the team to the Mahegan sun and, you know, they've been at it for 10 hours straight in the VIP room and he's the only one playing and people are like, I want to leave MJ. And he's like, no, you sit the fuck down. Watch me. Because he turned it into this insane competitive thing. Like he was competing. He was competing against the dealer. Yes. So he'd be abusive of dealers when he was losing.
Sonny00:08:31So, so, and, and, all right. So remember he, he retires. Michael Jordan is a psychopath. He goes, he goes and plays baseball for a couple of years and, you know. To honor his dead father, by the way. This was, this was also around the time that his father died. But the, the, the rumor has always been the, the, again, the, the insane conspiracy theory.
JVL00:08:48His father was murdered. I don't believe. I was going to say around the time his father was murdered. Right.
Sonny00:08:53I, I don't, I don't actually. With a bunch of MJ.
JVL00:08:55With stuff stolen out of the car.
Sonny00:08:57I actually don't believe this conspiracy theory, but it's, it is not an unreasonable thing that his father was murdered by people who Michael Jordan owed money. That is, that was the theory. And David Stern. Yeah, I don't buy that. David Stern found out about it and he was like, I can either kick you out of the league forever or you can go play baseball for a couple of years. I, this is all very complicated. I don't believe, I don't, I don't really buy that. But I don't, I also don't believe for a second. I don't believe for a second that Shohei Ohtani's trans, later Jon Favreau figure did, was doing this without Shohei Ohtani's knowledge. He was a middleman, Shohei Ohtani, degenerate gambler, and nothing's going to happen to him because the MLB cannot afford to lose him. Nothing, he will not get Pete Rose. He will not get Pete Rose because he's going, he's going nowhere. People want to watch that man throw baseballs and hit home runs. That's what they want.
Mike00:09:50Ken, let me interject with a little bit of pushback. About this going away, being swept under the rug, because I think the Dodgers made a fatal error in this, which was they changed the story. If you read the ESPN account of this, it is very bizarre. It is essentially the nut paragraph for non-journalists listening. You know, the part of the news story that kind of sums up what the whole story is really about the nut graph in the ESPN story goes through the process of the Dodgers presenting to ESPN when asked questions about why are these wire transfers to this, you know, crooked bookie? I repeat myself, like, why are why is Otani's name on them?
Sonny00:10:49Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. Let's not besmirch the good name of our nation. Such a professional. And bookmakers. Such a professional.
JVL00:10:57There are good bookies and bad bookies, just like there are good lawyers and bad lawyers.
Sonny00:11:01Good plumbers and bad plumbers.
Mike00:11:02Yeah. You know what? You know what you call the guy who graduates from bookie school last in his class? You call him your bookie. You know, that's. So, look, so so so the process was they presented ESPN with the translator who spoke to ESPN's reporter for 90 minutes, 90 minutes and basically had this this kind of. Bob story about how he had racked up all these sports gambling debts and never baseball, by the way, never baseball was other sports, but never baseball because because he sat through as as the translator was quoted as saying they got the talking to from the team at spring training about no gambling on baseball. And I mean, you can you can take that to the bank that that that that's a trustworthy guy talking. So he talks to ESPN for 90 minutes. ESPN's getting ready to publish the story with somebody from the Dodgers. Calls them up and says, oh, by the way, the the the the translator who we told you to talk to their story is bogus. His story is bogus. He's he's actually been let go. And we believe he stole the money. So the story has changed. This is a problem not just for Otani. I think it's a problem for the Dodgers. And I do not think the sports media is going to let this go, even though Otani is the golden boy, the you know, he can he's the. He's the double threat. He can pitch and he can hit. I just think this is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth.
Sonny00:12:33I mean, like genuinely, literally the greatest baseball player in the history of the game in almost a century.
JVL00:12:39Let me spin what makes it a theory for you. Sure.
Mike00:12:41Go ahead, JBL.
JVL00:12:42And look, what you guys have have proposed is absolutely possible. I'm not poo pooing it. However, I do think the translator is. Perfectly positioned to be a sharp bet or because, for instance, he could go out and place a a wager that Shohei is going to go over for tonight. And then every time Shohei goes up to bat in that game, when the translator sits there with the manager and the manager is talking to him before he goes out and, you know, and then Shohei says, OK, what did he say? He says, OK. Oh, he said he just wants you to take. Wait, you sure that's all he said? I thought he said more than that. No, he said slower and with more intensity. Right. So so you could see he's like, you know, he just said a lot. He just said you're supposed to take. He wants you taking. And so he's like, are you sure? Yeah. Well, OK. You know, Shohei Ohtani struck out looking four times this night. That was astonishing. And the translator is just sitting right there. Right. Nobody. He has. Think about this. In the dugout. He has he has both sides of the information about the franchise's most important player that nobody else has.
Mike00:14:05Yeah.
JVL00:14:05And this is why I mean, Shohei got to learn English. That's the real answer here. Is this Shohei has got to become fluent in English in the next 18 months.
Mike00:14:15Hole in your theory, JVL. If that were if this were the case, why the debt? Hmm. Why? Yeah.
JVL00:14:22Oh, that's. Yeah, I guess that's right. And also, he said he wanted to lip my stockings. Yeah, I don't know. That's what he said. Yeah, it's. This whole thing is. Bananas. It's bananas. And there has to be more to it. And at some point, the Yakuza will appear. None of this happens without the Yakuza also showing up. And so I'm just interested in when that's coming. Maybe. Maybe the whole reason. Go, hey, came to America and the MLB was to escape the Yakuza because of his immense gambling debts.
Mike00:15:03He'd rung up on that side of the Pacific. And the fact that they are in South Korea right now and all of this comes up and the weird stuff with with Otani's secret wife being revealed to be one of Japan's like it. What? Oh, you haven't heard about this? I don't know.
JVL00:15:21Oh, so he's actually secretly married to Kate Middleton.
Mike00:15:23No, no, no, no. Exactly. All the. All the conspiracies. They're all. By the way, this is this is my Kate Middleton obsession. Like this is like I'm like, there's more. There's more. No. So just a few days ago, it was announced that Otani had gotten married and that he is married to one of Japan's top women's basketball players. And but that basically she was spotted at either spring training or at the. Maybe once they got into Korea, I think once they got into South Korea and it was when whoever in the press spotted her, they were like, is she Otani's wife? And they were like, yes. And like, is she whatever this basketball star's name is? And they're like, that is Otani's wife. So like the team was very strange about confirming that.
JVL00:16:18So what you're saying is also he's gay and they've got arranged marriage to set up a beard for him.
Sonny00:16:24I was going to say it's Japan. Is Japanese basketball like American basketball? Because...
Mike00:16:29No, she's cute. She's cute. What are you saying, Sonny?
Sonny00:16:33Whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. Are you saying that lesbians can't be cute? Mike, that's pretty sexist. I'm saying that all women basketball players are lesbians, which is much more defensible. No, but that's a joke. For God's sake, that's a joke, people. But I am. But no, but I mean, like, that actually does. That creates all. Again, I don't I don't know what Japanese women's basketball culture is like, but if you were if you came to America and you were like, yes, LeBron James has married any literally any WNBA player, secretly married, literally any WNBA player, and also his butler is being arrested for a five million dollar gambling debt. They're like the there would be riots. Yeah, there would be people. So. Lose their minds.
Mike00:17:26Her name is Mamiko Tanaka. So this is, by the way, this is how Mamiko. Yeah, Mamiko Tanaka. This is how she was. It was announced. So this is what was so weird. So he posts on Instagram that he he got married in the offseason and that the person he got married to was a, quote, normal Japanese woman. And then it was and then it was revealed.
JVL00:17:55Well, we're now out in Troy McClure territory. I have turns out he's into fish.
Sonny00:18:01I have married a female human to be my companion. He's he's Kodos. He's Kodos.
Mike00:18:11Abortions for some American flags for others.
Sonny00:18:15I did not know this part of the story. This makes it a million times crazy.
Mike00:18:19So it's like this is all just rolled into this insanity surrounding them while they're doing this for the first time ever to regular season games against the Padres, the Dodgers and Padres in South Korea.
Sonny00:18:31All of this news broke as Shohei Ohtani was leaving a midnight screening at the at the new Bev of William Friedkin's cruising.
Mike00:18:41So anyway, yeah, let's keep covering this in the in our in our in our I find the whole thing. It is fascinating. It is fascinating. But we will come back with more updates. Again, this is this is if you were hoping to tune in and hear us gab about Kate Middleton, you're not going to hear it. It's all Shohei from now on.
Sonny00:19:03The Shohei show.
Mike00:19:04The Shohei show.
Sonny00:19:05All right. I want to leave.
Mike00:19:06I want to put a cap on this.
Sonny00:19:07I want to leave with one parting thought. Let's say worst case scenario of all this stuff that Shohei Ohtani is gambling and he is gambling on baseball.
JVL00:19:16No, he's gambling on gay sex. He's just putting wagers on dudes going at each other.
Sonny00:19:22Set that aside. I don't even know how you. All right. Don't ask. Now. Now my mind. Now my mind's going to weird places. It's a different culture. All right.
JVL00:19:31So in Japan, that's totally.
Sonny00:19:33Let's say. All right. Let's say worst case scenario wrestlers. Worst case scenario of all this is true. Shohei Ohtani is a degenerate gambler and B, he's gambling on baseball. I have I have a sneaking suspicion that the gambling isation, the gambling, the gamble vacation of United States sports combined with the preeminence of fantasy. Focusing the attention on the individual rather than the team means that very few people are actually going to care about this. No, but there will be there will be there will be very few people who are outside of the press who like will be the arbiters of morality on all this. But like in the in the real world, real world fans, I think a very, very small number of them will be like, he's got to go. They got to Pete Rosen.
Mike00:20:18Thoughts? That is that is a and I agree with that. And that is a scandal unto itself.
Sonny00:20:24Yes.
JVL00:20:24Hard agree. The commingling of gambling and professional sports so bad is going to, I would say, lead to ruin, but like it won't lead to ruin and lead to all these people making more money. But it's bad, bad. It's bad. It's bad for America. It's bad for sports. It's bad for economics. Gambling is this is whatever we do an entire separate thing on sports betting. But if you're betting on sports, you're a sucker because the people who are beating you, who you're betting against are all bots. Yeah, this is, you know, it's like flash trading. You are not going to win unless you do this for a living because you run a gigantic bot net and are doing constant arbitrage.
Mike00:21:06Yeah. Yeah. The house is an algorithm.
Sonny00:21:09Yeah, basically like that's especially true for the for like the draft kings like one day drafts like the instant fantasy games. Those are those if you play those you deserve to have your money taken away. Now, if you're betting straight lines, whatever, like at least there you're betting. It's like playing. It's like the difference between playing online poker and playing blackjack against the house in a casino. Like there's decent chance you're being screwed playing online poker because you're playing against a bunch of bots and and you know, whatever. But like I the the the daily fantasy stuff is such a nightmare. I can't I can't believe people still do it.
Mike00:21:46It's wild.
Sonny00:21:47We're going to get like 20 commenters be I play daily fantasy every day, but
Mike00:21:50you shouldn't and I quit my job. Yes, you should not. All right. Well, I'm a millionaire JVL. What is going on with you?
Sonny00:21:57My name is Ipe.
JVL00:21:58You know, I wanted to talk about the Barkley Marathon, which is something I learned about last night from our friend Hannah Yost, but but I think we have to shelve it because we did too much show. Hey talk and so maybe next week, but it's it. I'll just set the table for us for a future discussion. Sure. It is an insane outlaw race put together by this sadist in Tennessee the horse changes every year. The idea is you got to run five laps. Uh, of this circuit, the circuit changes every year. The five laps total somewhere between a hundred miles and 140 miles. And you got to do it in under 60 hours. And when the registration opens is secret, how you register is secret. Only 40 people are selected to run it every year and in the 30 or 40 years, this now it's now 45 years that this race has been running. Only 17 people have finished it because the idea is this guy wants it to be so hard that most years, nobody is able to complete the race.
Mike00:23:08Oh, and you forgot that it was inspired by the, uh, uh, escape of Martin Luther King jr's assassin, James Earl Ray from a prison from prison.
JVL00:23:19Yes. Anyway, we can talk about this another time, uh, but I am compared to the
Sonny00:23:24John Wilkes Booth marathon.
Mike00:23:27It's wild. It's that the little bit I learned about it when you texted about it,
Sonny00:23:33there's a documentary we should, we, maybe we can do that.
Mike00:23:35Yeah, I agree. Uh, okay. Well, the only thing I want to say, because before we jump into, uh, the rest of the show, uh, it's because I brought up the issue of, um, my kids wanting to watch the same things every single time for movie night. Uh, so, uh, last weekend, um, kind of in keeping with the theme of what our main discussion is with the show. Um, we, my, my wife used her, her, her ability because it was her birthday. She demanded that the kids watch a movie with a princess in it, uh, just to change things up. And so we watched a movie from the eighties that actually none of us had ever seen before. Uh, it's a Disney movie. It's called the black cauldron and is the. Don Bluth. Disney is the most bizarre, interesting, like what is, what am I watching? Kind of movie that I, I, I don't know if you guys have seen it recently, but
Sonny00:24:39didn't, didn't he basically get fired after that and then he, then he went and
Mike00:24:43made started his own animation studio and he was going to stick it to Walt.
Sonny00:24:49Yeah.
Mike00:24:50Uh, and he did for a couple of films. Um, but. It's, it's a weird movie. It, it, it's, it's the, I don't know if it's a failure or not. I mean, I guess it was a failure at the, at the box office.
Sonny00:25:01It's, it was not an enormous failure, but it, but it's kind of an interesting
Mike00:25:06failure and it is, you know, uh, darker, much darker in tone. I mean, my kids are watching this thing and, and they're like able to handle their nine and six, they're, they were fine with it, but, um, but you know, there's like a skeleton, evil skeleton face and like dead things being. You know, what dead army being risen up, uh, and, and it's, it's incredibly dark. And yet it is juxtaposed with this, with that very kind of the big eye Disney cute Disney characters. Um, and apparently I didn't know this. It's all based on a children's fantasy series, uh, that was written in the city, Lord of the rings. Yeah. Kitty Lord of the rings. Well, it was funny. My nine-year-old who were still reading, we're getting through Lord of the rings together, uh, he just kept. Pointing out, oh, that's like from Lord of the rings. Oh, that's like from Lord of the rings. And even one of the characters is who Andy circus based his portrayal of Gollum on. So it's like, it's, it was a very weird experience. Um, I don't know if you guys, I don't believe a single.
JVL00:26:11Animated film from the decade of the 1980s can be classified as good.
Mike00:26:16Uh, I disagree a little mermaid, the little mermaid. I know you, how you feel about that movie JVL, but it is, is that 1989?
JVL00:26:24Yeah, so it's, so it's sneak in, but that is the moment at which the renaissance begins. So, okay. So from, from 1979 to 1989, I don't think a single good animated movie was made.
Sonny00:26:35In America from Disney by Disney, by Disney, I would, I would, I would push back. I would say the secret of NIMH is, is, uh, a very good, uh, Don Bluth, uh, fascinating. So I want to do an instant correction. Black cauldron was not a Don Bluth film. It was, uh, I think he was, I think he was gone at that point because I looked, I looked it up just now because I, I. I thought I was misremembering. Yeah, he was gone by then, but it was, it was, uh, one of the first movies that Jeffrey Katzenberg was at Disney for Katzenberg, Katzenberg rolled into the editing studio, editing bay was like, are you got to change this, this, and this. And the animators all looked at him was like, that will take two years to do. Like you, you, you don't understand. We have to draw all of these things by hand. Like, it's like, you can't just rewrite. This is why we have, this is why we have storyboards of everything before we start. They, they would just, they would put storyboards through entire rooms. Right. Like hallways and you would just follow the movie as it goes, because that, that is, that it had to be planned out perfectly in advance and he was like, no, you got to cut this, you got to cut, we got to redo the ending, blah, blah, blah. And eventually Michael Eisner had to roll in and be like, you got to stop. You're going to kill them and they're going to murder you. Uh, and then eventually what was released, I think they, they ended up cutting 12 or 15 minutes or something from it. Yeah.
Mike00:27:46It's blessedly short for, uh, for kind of an epic fantasy, uh, movie, but, um, no, I, I, the secret of NIMH is good. And, and, and I think an American tail is, is a good movie and that's from the eighties as well. So, um, oh, I'm, I'm sorry. You don't hard to disagree on. You don't like Russian Jewish immigrants. Interesting. Interesting.
JVL00:28:04My name is five.
Mike00:28:06Oh, that's not the song. That's not how it goes.
JVL00:28:09F that.
Sonny00:28:11Okay. That movie was terrifying. Both of those movies were terrifying. All the Don Bluth pictures.
Mike00:28:16Oh, they are nightmares. Um, okay. All right. Well, let's move on here and talk a little bit about the box office, uh, Kung Fu Pan and a four. The movie we discussed last week on the show, uh, staying in that number one slot. Not that there was much competition. I had almost 50% drop, uh, still took in $30 million, uh, dune part two in the number two slot. Uh, it crossed the 200 million, uh, total, uh, uh, Mark over that past weekend. Number three, Arthur, the King never heard of this movie. Don't know what it is.
Sonny00:28:50Mark Wahlberg. It's Mark Wahlberg's dog movie.
Mike00:28:53Oh, that's the dog movie. All right.
JVL00:28:57Um, say hello to your mother for me.
Mike00:28:58Okay. Uh, and any other thoughts on, uh, on not that we've given any thoughts so far on the box office?
Sonny00:29:04No, I just think I like the, the, the numbers on dude part two are kind of interesting because they almost perfectly mirror Oppenheimer's. The big difference between the two is that, uh, dune two is not out during the summer. So it's not getting the, um, the summer weekday bump that Oppenheimer got. Uh, so it's, it's going to end up with a lower gross, but it's doing well. It's, you know, it's, it's helped by all the PLF screens. Uh, my, I think my favorite, my favorite movie, uh, out or the, I don't know. Favorite little tidbit right now is, uh, there's a movie out right now called the American society of magical Negroes, which is a, uh, which grossed the like a thousand dollars a screen or something came out on 1100 screens. It's going to disappear, but it absolutely, I mean, just the title alone is like, this is a movie that was designed by somebody in like 2015. And it took years to get produced. And now that it's come out, it's like five years past anybody caring about that trope, the magical Negro trope. So it just, the lesson as always folks is don't, don't make movies based on whatever people are yapping about on Twitter for a week. That's a, that's always a mistake.
Mike00:30:12Try to, uh, uh, yeah, stay, stay current. Um, okay. Well, uh, don't stay current. Don't say start, stay timeless. That's what I meant.
Sonny00:30:21Um, you want giant sandworms. That's what you want. You know, it's timeless or marshmallow sandworms. Stay puff marshmallow man. Timeless.
Mike00:30:29Speaking of marshmallow men, we are talking about Ghostbusters, the movie that is now 40 years old. Good Lord. 42. 42. No, I guess it's 1984.
Sonny00:30:42Yeah. Yeah.
Mike00:30:43Um, uh, we watched it this week, I guess kind of in anticipation of with your kids. No, I didn't watch it with my kids, but I'm just saying. In anticipation of it's a little, it's a little, it's a little much for, for kids in terms of some of the sex humor, um, uh, in my.
JVL00:31:02No, I totally agree. Except that I saw that when I was like nine years old. No, sure. And now I look back, I'm like, why the fuck was I allowed to see this at that age?
Mike00:31:12I'm sure it went over your head, but, uh, we, we.
Sonny00:31:14Well, that's the thing is that it just goes over. I don't know. Well, it, it went over the head of nine year olds in, you know, uh, 1984, but I feel like I need you inside me today's today's nine year olds, you know, subjected to the vicissitudes of porn hub, you know, the ghost blowing Dan Akron. You know, we'll talk about that in a minute. Okay.
Mike00:31:36Uh, but we were watching, we, we watched this, I guess, in anticipation of the new
Sonny00:31:39ghostbusters instead of, I would say instead of we're not going to watch it for next week. Okay.
Mike00:31:45In anticipation of, um, so why don't we, I mean, do we need a big boy review of ghostbusters? Sonny, you want to give one to us? I need to hear one. I've been looking forward to this all week.
Sonny00:31:55Ghostbusters. Thank you. Starring, starring, uh, Dan Aykroyd and, uh, Harold Ramis and, uh, Bill Murray as ghostbusters. They're busting ghosts, folks. They're failed academics who decide to go into business for themselves, uh, and achieve the Reagan-esque American dream of mortgaging your home for an enormous, uh, at an enormous interest rate to, uh, pour it into your small business that then turns you into a huge, famous success. I love, it's, it's the, it's the avatar of the 1980s, this movie, this, this, uh, the triumph of the, the private sector over the public sector, the evil, disgusting EPA villain, Dickless Richard Peck. Uh, the, uh, the whole thing is, the whole thing is marvelous. Um, so it's funny. I, we can talk about any individual bit if we want. Uh, the, the, the weird thing about this movie is that it has always been episodic is the wrong word, but loosely, loosely strung together. It's a, it's a, it's a loose movie. It's not, it's not a tightly plotted thing. It's, it's a series of moments. And, uh, and, and the, the one, the one example of this that has always jumped out to me is there's this moment where Winston Zettimore is being introduced to the team. He gets hired and Ray takes him down into the basement, um, with Peter. But then we cut to Peter and Sigourney Weaver meeting in the middle of a park, and then we cut back to the trap being unloaded. And it's like clearly the same exact moment. It makes no sense. It makes actual, it makes literally no sense. And if you, if you just chart it moment by moment, um, but the, uh, uh, but the thing I noticed this time that I'd never really paid attention to before is that, so there are obviously exterior shots in New York and this is a great New York film, right? This is a, this is like one of the seminal New York movies. It's why it became such a classic. In a real way. It has such a, it has such a real sense of place and a sense of time and, uh, like just these great little touches, like the Atlantic cover. Oh my gosh.
JVL00:34:03The Atlantic cover.
Sonny00:34:04Isn't that so good? So good.
Mike00:34:05What, what, what do ghosts have civil rights? Do ghosts have civil rights? Is that what it is? Yeah. It's the deck.
Sonny00:34:09And like them on with Larry King and both. But like, uh, what was, what was fascinating was I was watching it this time and the interiors are all shot in LA. I mean the interior, the interiors, every single interior is shot in a studio somewhere and I just, I noticed this first in, uh, Dana Barrett's and Sigourney Weaver's apartment that like, if you look outside, like, oh no, that's clearly, that's clearly like a, a constructed skyline. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's like, this is what a sitcom look, this is like what Frazier looks like. Um, uh, and I was like, oh, that's, that's interesting. I never noticed that before. And then once they get up to the rooftop where they're fighting Gozer, it's all matte painting. Oh yes. It's a, once you, once you start, once you start looking at it, you're like, oh, this was all done in, this is just all done in a room. And it's, and it's interesting because again, I'd never, I never really noticed it. Once you start paying attention to it, you really pay attention to it. But here's what I know for a fact is that if this had been made this year, it would have been shot in a volume or in a green screen warehouse in Atlanta. And all of the backgrounds would be like hyper realistic and you'd see like helicopters flying around and stuff. And it would actually somehow look 10 times faker. Oh yeah. It would somehow, it would somehow look much worse and much more annoying. And it's just, it's just, it's such a little subtle thing that really encapsulates the difference between filmmaking now and filmmaking then. And I, I, again, I was, I was fascinated by this just on a technical production level, which is not how I usually watch this movie. I usually just watch it like everybody else watches it. Like it's a hangout film because it's a great hangout film. It's just dudes. It's just dudes at work. Like there are so many great little moments, like for instance, when Dana comes to see them. At the, uh, firehouse for the first time. And like Ray and Egon are just sitting there on the couch drinking buds. Like, just like, it's just like, what is, what is it? They're just walking around that hotel with cigarettes dangling out of their mouth, smoking everywhere. Like it's, it's, it's, I love this movie. Uh, I love this movie so much and it's so funny and it remains very, very funny. And, uh, and it, again, it is, it is a folks on the right tend to have a habit of kind of overemphasizing. The politics of this movie, because it's not, it's not, it's not a political movie exactly, but it is in, it is suffused with this kind of like, uh, antagonism toward like city bureaucracy, federal bureaucracy. Like it's just, it's just all authority, right?
JVL00:36:42The Dean of the, the Dean of, it's not, it's clearly not Columbia. They're getting kicked out of like Hunter.
Sonny00:36:48Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JVL00:36:50So anyway, JVL. So it's, it's a funny, it's a funny movie, but without jokes in it. Right. And, uh, I, I would just say that every single time I watch Ghostbusters, I am hit over the head with how fresh it was and how the joy of Ghostbusters is that, I mean, I don't know if you guys, I don't know how old you were when you first saw it. I saw it in theaters. I saw it in theaters like six times. When I was in fifth grade or fourth grade or whatever. And I just thought it was the greatest thing in the world because I, the first time I sat through it, I had no idea what was happening. Right. So it's like when you're on a roller coaster for the first time, you just like, wait, which way is it going to go? Everything here feels fresh and different. And it's like, it's not really horror. It's got some, a couple of scary beats in it, but it's, it's funny, but it's not a comedy because it doesn't have jokes in it. And there's sort of like some actiony stuff. But the stakes are really low. It's not like, oh, there's a really, it just sort of melds all of this together. And I, so Bill Murray is the key to the movie. Thousand percent. Obviously. And I think I finally put my, my finger on why that is. So Bill Murray's character, Peter Venkman, is throughout the movie kind of an asshole. Right. I mean, he's, he's scamming on the student. Who is half his age in a very me too-ish kind of way. You know, early on he is sexually harassing Dana and it's just like, he's, he's a creepy dude, but also he's a good dude and he is chaotic. Good.
Mike00:38:44Yeah.
JVL00:38:45So if we were doing dungeons and dragons, and I don't think you see chaotic, good characters very often. And when you do. When you do like Johnny Depp's pirate and the pirates of the Caribbean, chaotic, good characters are inherently interesting in films. And it's, uh, I, I don't know. It's just great, but I do want to, I want to talk about the blowjob scene because last night is the first. So last night was the first time it ever registered with me. The Dan Aykroyd was not getting orally serviced by a ghost. He was dreaming. Yes. About being orally serviced by a ghost. And that had never connected with me. I'd always thought that the ghost was actually blowing him.
Sonny00:39:28Well, they all are because the ghost is in their dreams.
JVL00:39:32They're all.
Sonny00:39:33There's that shot of, there's that shot of all of them writhing in the beds in their various separate beds.
JVL00:39:37I didn't realize they were all. And so like, but what is Dan Aykroyd is wearing? Uh, like epaulettes. Like he's like in a gigantic era bed too. Yeah. Like, and so I, I mean, I assume all those things are choices for things. If you just ideas that didn't quite make it to the final cut of the movie, I'm desperate to know what is happening in that dream that has Dan Aykroyd basically dressed like Napoleon.
Mike00:40:02I mean, it could be, it could be just Dan Aykroyd being weird Dan Aykroyd.
Sonny00:40:08Well, it's, it's, it's like, it's like Outlander, right? It's like he is imagining he, the dream is some ghost from the 1700s has, uh, is trying to take his essence from him.
JVL00:40:21A succubus?
Sonny00:40:22A succubus, if you will. And that's why they're in the four poster bed.
JVL00:40:26Oh, clever wordplay, Sonny. Cheeky. Anyway. Uh, so anyway, there's just stuff like that. Stuff like, uh, so the, the building, which I mean, I remember the very, the very first time I was up in Central Park, I remember seeing the building that is cause it's, it's 55 Central Park. So it's between, I think 66th and 65th. That's the street. And, uh, you know, like it's, it's like part of it, but, uh, this place has had Donna Karen lived there. David Geffen lived there. It's, uh, it has a very interesting history. It's not that big. It's only 22 stories. Um, that's interesting. I, man, I've always, always loved Sigourney Weaver. I don't think I've ever disliked a performance by her in anything. Sure. Um, but sexy Sigourney Weaver. I think this is the sexiest she was at. She ever was on film. It, it works. I'm just saying sexy Sigourney. I love Ridley tough Sigourney Weaver. I love a working girl, a Serbic Sigourney Weaver, but sexy, sultry, possessed Sigourney Weaver. Cellist Sigourney Weaver is amazing.
?00:41:50Yeah.
Mike00:41:51She's great. She's amazing. She's another linchpin moment.
Sonny00:41:54Yeah, she's great.
JVL00:41:55Um, I mean, this movie is great. Let's talk about how great Michael, well, can I, so how old are you guys?
Mike00:42:03This is the other thing I want to go.
JVL00:42:04So how did you guys first encounter this movie?
Mike00:42:06It was definitely on video for me, right? Um, it would have been DVD or VHS VHS for sure. Um, so, you know, Ghostbusters. By the time I was a kid, Ghostbusters had become such a franchise that there was a Saturday, morning cartoon. Oh, the car. You saw the cartoon for. Oh, yes. Um, and it didn't even really register with me. The reason that I watched it was because my mom was a big fan of Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray. And so it was like, it was sort of the first in a series of movies that I was too young probably to watch, right? Like Ghostbusters is probably fine. Uh, when I was about the same age that you were when you saw it. Um, like she also like rented Caddyshack was like, oh yeah, I forgot there were like naked breasts in this movie, the whole abortion subplot that went right over my head. Um, but, uh, no. So I, so I watched it on VHS. Um, I would say I, I appreciate the movie more every time I watch it. Um, and I don't think I appreciated it as a kid. I was like, I liked the song. I liked, uh, you know, uh, Slimer and, you know, Bill Murray has this funniness about him that as a kid, you're like, oh, he's funny. So it's funny. Um, but I, I appreciate it so much more now. Um, and, and on this viewing, uh, that we did before the show, the thing that I noticed, um, is how efficient the first act is. Um, I know like I'd probably a broken record. Like I'm obsessed with efficiency in movies because old movies are so efficient and it really sticks out after you've seen a bunch of recent movies of like how quickly they go through everything. The, uh, establishing who the three main characters are very quickly. Um, the, uh, the firing from, uh, from the, uh, from the college, the, the whole process of them getting into ghost busting. They don't explain anything. They don't explain anything. And it's so. Cause that's how it feels lived in.
JVL00:44:15Right. Yes. So the, the, the little moment where, you know, where Venkman is offering the twink key to Egon, right. That, that's all done without explanation. And we understand that this is a thing that they have done a thousand times before together as friends. And we don't need to be told what the joke is because we are in, in the middle of an,
Mike00:44:36of a lived in relationship between these two characters. Absolutely.
Sonny00:44:39Um, we, uh, uh, it's, it's so funny because before, uh, before the 2016 remake came out before lady ghostbusters came out, uh, the, there was. Somebody, somebody, a film critic, you know, had, had tweeted something like, God, there's a, there's going to be a whole sequence where they explain where the technology comes from and how it works and blah, blah. And sure enough, there was, and it went on forever. Uh, and it's just, it's like the perfect encapsulation of the difference between that movie and this one where like, I think you can capture them.
JVL00:45:12Great. Yeah.
Mike00:45:13Right. And, and like, and to the extent that it is explained, it's in Dan Aykroyd's bizarre, crazy, uh, you know, ghost, uh, uh, obsession bullshit that has the effect of just washing over you anyway. Like it is, it is the, it is the, uh, uh, uh, the, uh, Rob Lowe, you know, the, we'll, we'll explain how cigarettes are used in space with the thing. Like it is, it is that, you know, it is that person like in the, in the film. So I love that. By the way, speaking of efficiency, um, I've now been noticing this in movies that are over 25 years old, how quickly the movie ends as well. You know, the splattered, uh, uh, the spotted stay puff marshmallow man is all over everybody. They get up, everybody seems to be fine. They go off into, uh, in, into the sunset in the Ecto one credits and it's over.
Sonny00:46:09And like the evening, the credits on top of that credits on top of the movie.
Mike00:46:13Exactly. And it's, and, and, and that's just so well done. Um, I, I do think this is the strength of the movie as well. I totally agree about bill Murray kind of carrying this movie, but it really does work because the three main, uh, because the three main characters are sorry, three main actors. Um, their contributions all work really well together. Again, the Dan Aykroyd, like he believes in this ghost stuff and like, I think it, that makes it work really well.
JVL00:46:41Yeah.
Mike00:46:41Like Dan Aykroyd, the actor believes in it. And I think that, that infuses the script with this sense of realism. Uh, Harold Ramis is just like, he he's, he, he was. Such a terrific, uh, writer and comedic comedic voice. Um, and then, and then bill Murray, like you get the sense, even if it was written, you get the sense that bill Murray is ad-libbing every single funny line. It's one of his gifts and it just all works.
Sonny00:47:06I mean, JBL said that this is a funny movie without jokes and that's right because the humor all comes from their faces, just watching their faces kind of bounce off each other and, and, you know, react to each other. That's where the actual comedy. It comes from. And that is, I mean, the, the reason this movie works and continues to work is because it feels like life. It is, it is a ridiculous movie. It has a ridiculous premise. It's, it's absurd and insane, but it also feels exactly what it's like to be with friends doing a job, uh, to be, you know, surrounded by people who either hate you or want you to fail and, you know, kind of sticking it to like the, the whole thing. It just works on, it works on a reality level that the premise. It suggests it should not, um, which, you know, I, I like, like Mike, I watched it. I, I was like, I must've been five or six when I watched it the first time I watched it on a VHS, uh, that we had. And I watched a hundred times, but also I watched the cartoons. I had the toys. I had the little books that were like based on the cartoon. Uh, and, and I saw the, I saw Ghostbusters two in theaters. It's one of that and Batman are like the two, the, the, like. Um, they're not the first movies I remember seeing, but they are like two of like the big seminal, you know, this is me going to the movies and experiencing, uh, what my life will become, um, uh, that were, that were fairly important. But like, that also means that like by that, so I was seven and like fully versed in, and it's funny, I was discussing it. We, my wife and I were discussing it. Should we show it to the kids? And I think it's still too much for our, uh, five-year-old, but I think our eight-year-old would be.
JVL00:48:50Oh, I gotta say, I am terrified that if I showed this to flash and favorite who are old enough to see it, they would just not care at all. Yeah, I think that's right. I think it would hit them. I think there's nothing about it that would appeal to them. Would not. And I don't think it's just them. I just like, I, I feel like it was a movie for its time for people like us, but doesn't, doesn't translate across the eras.
Mike00:49:17Am I wrong? Can I say it feels like an. Oh, even older movie than it is like there are so many touches in it. Just the hotel that they're, they're, they're in and the, and the characters, the kind of side characters feel like golden age era movie characters.
Sonny00:49:36Um, yeah, they feel like Billy Wilder.
Mike00:49:38Yes, yes. That's a good way of putting it. Um, can I say a couple of words for, first of all, for Rick Moranis, um, who I think is so great in this and he's such a, such an unsung. Comedic talent. Uh, I think a large part because he stopped acting, um, and for understandable reasons, but it's, he's so great in this. What's that? Why did he stop acting? Uh, so acting sucks. Uh, no, his, his, so his, his wife died of cancer in 1991. He stuck around for a few more years doing a few more roles. And then he officially retired like in 1997 to take care of his kids. It's like the, it's like the, yeah, it's the most honorable thing anybody has done. I mean, it was sort of his responsibility. They're so tiny.
Sonny00:50:20Well, there's, well, he blew up the one and that one's now a part of the monster verse
Mike00:50:24fighting King Kong and Godzilla and Godzilla. Um, but he's, he's terrific.
Sonny00:50:30And, uh, I also stole that joke. I, I, I stole that joke from somebody on Twitter, by the way, stolen humor, valor.
Mike00:50:35That's really good enough for you. Uh, but, uh, I also love the side, some of the, just the individual quick characters that we see, like, so the, uh, the actress who plays the librarian at the very beginning, the first. Um, I believe she plays, uh, Ray Finkel's mom in the first Ace Ventura movie. So like, I loved like watching it and be like, Oh, that's, that's the same funny lady that does the, that is crazy. And in Ace Ventura, like 10 years later, um, the, the, the ditzy girl that Rick Moranis dances with in his apartment, uh, believe that's the same actress who plays Dan Hedaya's new wife on cheers. Um, so stuff like that.
JVL00:51:17I just, I, I love it. So I, the. The only other Ghostbusters content I've consumed, I skipped the remake. Uh, I saw the one that was out, what the last one, what was it after afterlife. And I fucking, I mean, I, I think I hated that movie and I have to go back and rewatch our episode, but it was, and here's, here's why it now really sinks in for me. That movie is a pure nostalgia play. And what is brilliant about Ghostbusters is that there is not a single nostalgic element element in it. Everything in it is new and fresh.
Sonny00:51:52Yes. 100%.
JVL00:51:54And so it just, it's wrong. Yes. It's wrong to try to do a nostalgia play on something which, which was itself such a novelty.
Sonny00:52:03It's meh. I, I mostly, I, the, the thing about Ghostbusters afterlife is, all right, so Ghostbusters is essentially a national lampoon movie. Ghostbusters is essentially a snobs for slobs for snobs, um, you know, little guy triumphing over, over the big guy, animal house movie. And it's by Harold Ramis who wrote, uh, you know, uh, the national lampoons animal house. And it's, it is a, it's a national lampoon movie, Bill Murray, again, like from that, from that family of, of comedians, um, uh, the, the Ghostbusters afterlife and Ghostbusters frozen empire, which I've seen and has all the same problems as afterlife, but more so. Um, and I, I actually like afterlife fine, but Ghostbusters afterlife is a Steven Spielberg movie. Ghostbusters afterlife is, is it is what it is, is like a super eight or something. It is like JJ Abrams ask kind of this like nostalgia for this thing from childhood. And you have all these, you know, kind of spinning camera shot and like it's everything is hit is lit with this kind of hazy yellowy glow. And like, again, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it is designed to call to mind the Steven Spielberg movies of the 1980s. Harold Ramis, Ivan Reitman movies of the 1980s. And that's, and that's, that's where the difference is. Now, look, I, again, I mostly liked afterlife with the exception of the, I found, I, I frankly, I found horrifying and disrespectful, uh, re reanimation of Harold Ramis as the ghost. Remember that at the end of the movie, JBL, do you remember anything about that?
JVL00:53:43So this is one of the things where, for me, I was horrified, but I absolutely understood why the filmmakers did it, right? By his son, Jason. Yes. Yes. Everybody connected with that movie. I think it was cathartic for them.
Sonny00:53:56I agree. I, I, I agree. It's not like bringing back Marilyn Monroe to life or something and sticking her in an Uber ad, whatever it's, it's not, it's not, it's not of that nature, but it was still, I found it. I found it. Like, I was just like, this is wrong. They shouldn't be doing this. Anyway. Um, uh, frozen empire doesn't have anything like that, but it is, it is my, my two minute review. It's it should be live now. Uh, the, the, the, it, it is. All of the problems of afterlife, but more so it is based entirely on nostalgia. Like characters pop up for literally one shot, just so you can be like, oh yeah, that's the librarian from the, from the first one. That's the ghost in the library from the first one. Can you believe it? This is crazy. They're spraying a guy with pink slime in the background of this shot. Ha ha. That's funny. I remember that from ghostbusters too. I, it's, so there's a moment and people were clapping in the theater, people were clapping like fucking seals in the theater. Every time something, somebody like that. That popped up on the screen. It like, it actually made me, I started getting angrier and angrier, not so much at the movie, but at their reactions to it. I was like, you have to, you cannot be this easy. You have to, you have to stop to have some self-respect.
Mike00:55:01Member berries. There, there are mainlining member berries.
JVL00:55:04Um, can I say, what is the, what is the term for claptor? That's not politically based, but nostalgia based. There should be, there should be a word for that.
Sonny00:55:13I, I, I coined a phrase for this in my review. You want to, you want to know what I came up with? Yeah. Here we go. Sonny.
?00:55:22Cheers.
JVL00:55:23That's pretty good. It's pretty good. I like that.
Sonny00:55:26Cheers. I like that. I think, I think, I think it works because that's what these fucking people were doing. They were cheering. They were cheering. The nostalgia. I was so angry. I was, I was like getting angrier and angrier as I was sitting there.
Mike00:55:35Can I say in this vein, I have not seen the movie, but I've seen the trailer enough times. There's the, there's the kind of the music drop moment where Paul Rudd's character is talking with the lady, uh, character. I don't even know who the actress is. And he says, he says, I want to say it. I want to say it. And he goes, but Boston makes me feel good. And there's something about the song that is played for the movie, uh, from 1984, right? It's like, it's not in the movie. It is, it is played over the, the, the beginning and the end of the movie as part of the soundtrack. And then this movie takes place supposedly in the same universe and a character in that universe. The song, it just, it's like, there's nothing more blatant.
Sonny00:56:25It's so, it's so weird. They, they, they, they treat it, they treat it like the, the song was an in-universe thing that like people loved because they love the ghostbusters so much. And I'm just like, that's, this is all absurd.
Mike00:56:37I hate it. Right.
Sonny00:56:39It's like, it's just in 1989, they were doing kids parties and the kids were booing them. Everybody hated them. This was not a, you know, exactly. All right.
Mike00:56:46All right. We should wrap it up. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us over at sub beacon.com. Thanks for listening. And we will talk to you next time.
JVL00:56:56Sonny is Phil Tippett, the guy who does the creature design and ghostbusters? Oh, that's a good question studios.
Sonny00:57:07I don't think so, but I, I would have to check. I don't know.
Mike00:57:10I, uh, all those little, the little, what are they called? The, what are those dogs called? Even do they have a name? Do they have a name in universe?
Sonny00:57:18They do. I don't know. I can't remember. I can't remember what they are. Um, I used to know all this. I used to, I, I had like, I had like ghostbusters, atlases and ghostbusters, almanacs. I probably had a Tobin spirit guide at one point.
Mike00:57:32Uh, it's, it says that it's, uh, Steve Johnson, um, who is the special effects artist.
Sonny00:57:37Um, yeah, I don't, I don't think it was Phil Tippett.
Mike00:57:40Uh, that's what it, that's what it looks like. And, uh, ILM did, um, or maybe no ILM didn't do it anyway.
Sonny00:57:48I don't know. Um, you know, the reason why, uh, we'll, we'll get out of here in one second. The reason why they keep trying to remake this and make it, uh, uh, into a series and mine that nostalgia, ghostbusters remains the 37th highest grossing film of all time domestically. Yeah.
JVL00:58:02Once you adjust for inflation.
Sonny00:58:03Godly sum of money. It, it made, it made an enormous, enormous amount of money. I mean, just like, uh, just a gigantic big, and I don't, I don't love adjusting for inflation all the time. I think it, it, it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily translate to like how popular something is, in relation to its own time. But like when, when you get to those higher levels, it's like, okay, this is a, this is, this is just a nor, it was an enormous phenomenon.
JVL00:58:27It tells you a lot about a movie's cultural footprint, I think when you adjust for inflation
Mike00:58:32and that's some valuable IP right there. Yeah. Sure. It's sure.
?00:58:38It's fine.
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