#221. 'The Holdovers' (VOD)
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The main review covers The Holdovers, Alexander Payne's Christmas-break dramedy starring Paul Giamatti as a hidebound classics-prep teacher forced to babysit stranded students, newcomer Dominic Sessa as the prickly holdover Angus, and Da'Vine Joy Randolph as the grieving school cook Mary. Sonny calls it a mashup of Payne's Election and Sideways but softer and less thorny — everyone ends up with a heart of gold — and while he has reservations he singles out Giamatti's "knockout," rubber-faced performance and floats the film as a future Christmas-classic contender, if a niche one. JVL admits he's aged out of patience for a languid, two-hour-thirty-six-minute movie like this, comparing his reaction to his loathing of Licorice Pizza and calling it "a comedy without being funny" fit mainly for "childless hipsters in Brooklyn," though he praises its immersive 1970 New England production design and the church-wall Vietnam memorial as an elegantly handled show-don't-tell moment. Mike goes full "sucker," saying he was happily manipulated by all three lead performances — especially Randolph's underplayed, back-to-camera grief at the Christmas party — and pushes back on Sonny's insistence that Angus brings every one of his problems on himself. The episode opens with an extended tangent kicked off by lacrosse becoming a 2028 Olympic sport and the fairness of U.S. territories fielding their own teams, ballooning into JVL's "grand unified theory" of why lacrosse bros are uniquely insufferable versus field hockey girls and tennis players; from there the hosts cover JVL raving about Netflix's Family Switch as an instant classic, Sonny's five- and eight-year-olds watching Home Alone for the first time (the "Michael Jordan standee" bit sailing right over their heads), Mike's rough week nursing a sick household while being the only well person left standing, and a rundown of the bizarre Arlington house-explosion standoff near old friend Vic Mattis's home.
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A new Christmas classic? Maybe!
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Guest00:00:00Do you think I want to be babysitting you? No, I was praying your mother would pick up the phone or your father would arrive in a helicopter or a flying saucer to take you off. My father's dead. You don't tell a boy that's been left behind at Christmas that nobody wants him? What's wrong with you?
Mike00:00:27Welcome back to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I am your co-host, Mike Warren. Joining me, as always, are my two co-hosts who always keep things entre nous, Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Join us over at Sub-Beacon.com. You can become a patron. Get those episodes every Friday morning. You can join the conversation and just have a grand old time over at Sub-Beacon.com. Sub-Beacon.com. We're going to be talking about. The holdovers later in this episode. But first, guys, how we doing? I just logged on. I was the last to log on. There was this interesting conversation going on about lacrosse that I have no idea about what's going on. What's going on, guys? Sonny, set the table.
Sonny00:01:17OK, so the short version, the short version here is that in in two thousand and twenty eight, apparently lacrosse. Lacrosse is going to be an Olympic sport. No baseball in the Olympics, but lacrosse is an Olympic sport. Sure. Why not? And there there's some controversy at the moment because Joe Biden said that he supports the native nations having their own team, basically like Native Americans get their own team of athletes to be in lacrosse at the Olympics to to try and qualify.
Mike00:01:54And because lacrosse is.
Sonny00:01:57Because lacrosse originated with whatever I I have no strong feelings on this, except in the sense that I have always thought it was weird and inappropriate for there to be like a Puerto Rican national team or like a U.S. Virgin Islands teams competing in the Olympics. Right. Like, I don't like that. I think we own those. We own those territories. They're our property and we should be able.
Mike00:02:27To do with them as we please, including, by the way, Puerto Ricans are Americans.
Sonny00:02:30They're Americans. Right. No, I mean, they're literally like American citizens. They don't pay taxes, but they do get to vote, but they don't like whatever. Like, I'm not they can immigrate to the country without any house. Like, I'm I there's lots of different nuances we could talk about with the whole Puerto Rican situation. But like my one my one belief is I have two beliefs. One, they shouldn't be a state because they don't want to be a state. But also, too, we own them. We own that island nation. That's ours. And they should have to play for us in the Olympics. They should not have a separate Olympics. I don't I think that's wrong. I think it's morally wrong. I find it I find it offensive. Question. Yes.
Mike00:03:09On that front. And maybe this gets us on a diversion, Sonny. But consider the World Cup, another international sporting event where countries are represented by teams in a place like the United Kingdom, where there are. There are constituent countries, right? Four constituent countries, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Cut of your jib. The teams that are fielded are not from the United Kingdom, but rather from the four constituent countries. Although I think England is the only one that actually regularly competes. What is the difference there?
Sonny00:03:48I don't have strong appealings. I don't have strong opinions on that because I don't I don't care what foreigners do with their territories. They can farm them out however they want. Like, I'm not going to I'm not going to insert myself into the affairs of Great Britain. If they want to let the Scots have some crappy soccer team, that's fine. I like whatever it takes to keep their their kingdom peaceable is fine by me.
Mike00:04:12OK. This you're just talking about America.
Sonny00:04:15I'm talking about America. America for Americans.
JVL00:04:18Is there a Puerto Rican team in the Olympics? Yeah, there is. OK, I don't know. I don't watch the Olympics. Yeah. The World Baseball Classic. That's right. Puerto Rico is its own team.
Sonny00:04:29This I'm like 99 percent sure because I looked it up last night just to make sure that I was I was right on this. But I'm like 99 percent sure that the various American territories that are not like actual states that are they they all I think Guam I think has its own thing. Yes. Right. I think that I'm like 99 percent sure that those those those territories can all have their own teams.
Mike00:04:55Does the U.S. Virgin Islands?
Sonny00:04:57I'm pretty sure. Oh, OK. Wasn't Tim Duncan on like the U.S. Virgin Islands?
JVL00:05:01Oh, yeah, that's right.
Sonny00:05:02Right.
JVL00:05:02That's right.
Sonny00:05:03Yeah. Instead of being on the United States team where he should have been, we should have
Mike00:05:07had in the name of the United States Virgin Islands. It's exactly ridiculous.
Sonny00:05:11It's ridiculous. I'm with you, son. I'm with you. OK, anyway, so this is neither here nor there when it comes to this. Anyway, what the reason this came up is because I actually think it's more reasonable for the for the Native American, the Native American tribe. To have their own team since a lacrosse originated as a Native American sport. Right. And like, OK, fine. And like they they we've we've kind of created this weird parallel society with, you know, Native Americans and their tribal lands and what they can do there with their casinos.
JVL00:05:45And if you can have your own casino, you can have your own Olympic team.
Sonny00:05:49If you can have your own casino, that's a standard absent the laws of the states in which you.
JVL00:05:55There that we have found a governing precept.
Sonny00:05:58Perfect. That's probably also true in Scotland. I bet Scotland has their own casinos. Right. I don't know where the taxes would. I don't know. Again, I don't care about the Brits. So I actually like I'm actually more OK with there being a Native lacrosse team than like a Puerto Rican basketball team. Right. Like, I think that these two things are I think they're different and separate. And but but JBL raises the good point that it's going to be very depressing. When the team of Native American all stars goes up against like 12 army hammers and get absolutely like a team of lacs. When they when they go up against like a squad of Winklevii and like have to and have to, you know, compete against them. It's it's going to be a massacre.
JVL00:06:45So lacs bros are.
Mike00:06:47Can I just ask this?
JVL00:06:48Can I make sure we're all on the same page in this in the the taxonomy of America? American male athletes. Lacrosse bros and my little brother was a lacs bro. So don't don't at me, people. Don't say, well, I know one nice lacrosse player. Just in general, lacrosse bros are the biggest assholes bar none. It's not even close. The distance between them and number two, which is probably like swimming, is a bazillion light years. And I have a theory for why that is. That is. Do you agree, Sonny?
Sonny00:07:27I think it just depends. I think it depends on the school and the program. I think I think that I think that if you were at a top tier lacs bro prep academy, those are going to be the most insufferable people, certainly in that. But also, but like, I feel like. I don't know. I feel like a top tier basketball school, like the basketball players are all like enormous assholes. But see, here's the thing.
Mike00:07:52Here's the thing with this. It's regional because. Until until like the last maybe 15 years, like nobody outside of the Atlantic Coast and Northeast played lacrosse on a broad scale. I mean, I remember when I was in high school, there was a club lacrosse team that started maybe when I was a junior in high school. And it was kind of like, hey, do you want to play like this? This weird sport. Like I grew up in the South. It's all football all the time. Is no lacrosse. Maybe it's different now. I haven't lived in the South in 20 years, but I think it is. I think it's just it's it's it's dependent. So Sonny's point in Indiana and North Carolina, it's basketball. Yeah.
Sonny00:08:42This all gets this all gets to my point. I'm sorry. This all gets to my point that I still don't understand why lacrosse is a fucking Olympic sport. Like, are there are there lacrosse academies in France? Are like the Indians diverting people from cricket? To lacrosse?
JVL00:08:55Native Americans, Sonny. Native Americans.
Sonny00:08:56No, no, no. Dot, not feather. Oh, gotcha. The the the I'm just saying, like, I don't understand why I don't understand why lacrosse is a sport. I was Jamie. I'll go ahead with your.
JVL00:09:08Well, I have a grand unified theory of why lacrosse bros are. And here I would disagree with you, Michael. I would say it does not matter context.
Sonny00:09:15OK.
Mike00:09:16In any given environment, the most obnoxious male athletes will be the lacrosse bros.
JVL00:09:23Hit me with it. And it is because. Because lacrosse self-selects for a few different things. It self-selects for people who have an enormous amount of money because the gear and the camps that you have to go to to, like, hit even the lowest threshold for, like, being able to play lacrosse. It's just an enormous. It's a what's the economic term, right? It's a bad the barrier to entry economically for lacrosse is way higher than it is for football or basketball. Or baseball or anything else except maybe hockey. And hockey has always been kind of a blue collar sport, though, at its roots. Sure. Right. Secondly, lacrosse is where it grew up in the the northeast. And that is the cradle of lacrosse and particularly of the prep schools. You had, you know, this is the the whole foundational culture was set up by rich, elite white kids. Yes. Third, it incorporates a very great deal of violence. Right. Lacrosse has a lot of hitting. And this was one of those sports which attracts guys who like to hit. Right. In a way that like you don't play basketball. Basketball is a very full contact sport. Nobody chooses to play basketball because they like the contact. They choose it for like all the other reasons about it, which are great for lacrosse. A big part of is you like to hit. But but. Lacrosse is also the sport where no African-Americans play. And so what it really is, is it's the sport for white kids who want to be able to hit, but make sure that they themselves aren't hit too hard by anybody who's like bigger, stronger, faster than them, because that person could have been a football player instead of a lacrosse player. Right. This is this is why when Jim Brown played lacrosse, he wrecked the sport. I don't know if you guys remember the Jim Brown. He played lacrosse. Yeah, he played. He played a season in college.
Sonny00:11:21I think he played everything. That's all.
JVL00:11:22Yeah, that makes sense. And he he just destroyed the it was like Wilt Chamberlain for the first. And so because what you do is you have like, you know, a bunch of African-American kids who do like football and baseball instead and basketball because, again, of the economic barrier to entry in lacrosse is like a safe space for like the entitled, rich white kids who want to be doing violence. But like, you know, not not ever have to encounter anybody who might be like a real athlete.
Sonny00:11:51OK, question. How where does field hockey fit into this? Is field hockey like the female version of this? Because I have always got the sense that field hockey is a sport is very similar to lacrosse. It's like Lady Lacrosse.
Mike00:12:08There is Lady Lacrosse. There is.
Sonny00:12:10Yeah, but but I feel like field hockey is, too. I understand that there are female versions of male sports. I'm just saying that this is like the real version of Lady Lacrosse.
JVL00:12:21Lady Lacrosse is. Very different from men's lacrosse. Totally different. And one of the things they've been trying to do over the last 30 years is make it more like the men's game. So they've tried to make it more physical, change the sticks, change the netting and all that. Anyway, important for me to answer your questions on it. For me, the Venn diagram of girls in high school who played both field hockey and lacrosse was a circle. Like it was just the same group of kids. They all. If you played field hockey, you also played lacrosse.
Sonny00:12:51But is it the same? I'm saying, is it the same sort of attitude taxonomy of person?
JVL00:12:58I don't think so. I think it's in fall sports. What are your other options? Right. So you're a fall sport girl. You either play soccer or you're like a runner or there's field hockey. Like what? What are the other falls for girls?
Sonny00:13:15I'm just saying I'm talking about the sort of person who is drawn to these. Let's let's set aside the difference between field hockey and lacrosse. Let's. But is the person who is drawn to ladies lacrosse and thus field hockey similar to the sort of person sort of man who is drawn to.
JVL00:13:31I don't think so. I think the type of the type of girl who is drawn to field hockey is a girl like wants to play a sport and it's fall and like field hockey is what's there.
Mike00:13:39I agree with that.
JVL00:13:40Here's here's lacrosse like, you know, you've got soccer, you've got football, you've got all this other stuff happening and you're like, no, I want to do the thing where I get a long titanium stick I can hit dudes with. All of the dudes also go to Andover.
Mike00:13:54I don't want anybody who could like be a real D1 athlete taking a shot at me. Right. But here's the thing, JVL, about this. Like, look, and I know I'm saying this coming from a place or living in a place currently where I know it will be a bigger deal in my kids life once they get older into into high school, because in Northern Virginia, it is a lacrosse area. But it is also. It's such a niche sport. Like, at the end of the day, I don't care. Lacrosse means nothing to me. The assholishness of lacrosse players. I don't care because it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter to me because it's such a niche sport. And it is. I don't have any kind of and maybe this is just ignorance. I don't have any sort of frame of reference to know. All I knew is is football and basketball and baseball players and soccer. Yeah. And soccer players as well. Those were sort of the big four sports. So, like, for the majority of Americans, I don't think they're going to come across lacrosse players in in their everyday life. So, you know, what about tennis players, JBL?
Sonny00:15:07Because I like tennis is the sport that I have the most familiarity with having having played in high school and like been good enough to, like, get near kids who were actually good. And I will say that I will say that that. Group also self, but but also I have like I have always found tennis players to be like usually pretty decent and fine. Mostly I like have very rarely come into contact with like raging asshole tennis players.
JVL00:15:37Tennis is such a humbling sport, right? Because there's no hiding. And the truth is, unless you're at the very, very tippy top, right? Unless you're number one in the state, you're getting your ass beat a lot, right? You know that there are people out there who you're going to come across. Who just like you can't touch them and like and that's true at every level. Like even if you're the number one kid in Virginia, right? You are a real badass, but then you go to like the Junior US Open and you lose in the first round to some kid from Morocco 6060, right? I mean it like tennis is very humbling in that way.
Sonny00:16:13I think yeah, no, that's probably true.
JVL00:16:16Yeah, same for golf. Like again, you know, like rich kids sport in a lot of ways, but it's because it's a one-on-one sport. You're not hiding in a team and there's it's so merciless in its appraisal of you, right? You can have a good lacrosse. You can have a good lacrosse performance as a player on a team that loses.
Mike00:16:35That's just not the way it works in individual sports. I'm buying your theory JVL. I think it's it's probably right. I just don't have the frame of reference. I don't have the sort of and I also don't feel like it's a you didn't go to Johns Hopkins.
JVL00:16:50I can't relate. That's why you haven't spent a lot. Of time thinking about this. Exactly. I can't. I went to the only school in America where lacrosse is their division one sport. Right, right. That's it. Good point.
Mike00:17:02Good point. All right. What else is going on guys? Anything before we jump into this? Quick bit of service journalism.
JVL00:17:09I watched on my wife's recommendation. Why we watch as a family on my wife's recommendation. The Netflix Christmas movie family switch.
Mike00:17:19Oh, yes.
JVL00:17:20You texted us about and I'm telling you guys. Instant classic.
Mike00:17:24Okay.
JVL00:17:25This is one of those movies that you see and you realize, oh, I'm going to see this movie 15 more times over the course of my life because it delights everybody in the room from the seven-year-old to me and the teenagers. And what is amazing about it is that this is a crap movie. Like you can just see that this should be a crap project. And at every turn, it is a hundred times better than it should be. Did you say it's a Christmas movie? Yeah, it's a Christmas movie. And I think maybe the Christmas was shoehorned in after the fact. I can't be sure about it, but there are outtakes. And in the outtakes, you see on the clapboard that it was originally called Family Leave, not Family Switch. And so I wonder if it was always intended as a Christmas movie because the Christmas is sort of in the background a little bit. Sorry, what's the elevator pitch for this movie? Freaky Friday.
Sonny00:18:18It's basically Christmas Freaky Friday, right?
JVL00:18:20Christmas Freaky Friday, but for the whole thing. For the whole family. And with Jennifer Garner and Ed Helms and also the kid who was the lead in Good Boys, who, like, you know, he was really good in Good Boys, especially when, like, they did the musical, right? And he was, like, singing and stuff.
Sonny00:18:38I didn't see the movie. Is that Jacob Tremblay? Is that who that is?
JVL00:18:41No, I think it's he's got a very cool name. I don't know. Anyway, the point is he's great in this. Like, he's now, you know, a teenager and he's a very, very good actor. He's very funny. The whole the whole exercise, again, it should be terrible, but the writing is really good. It's directed by Mick G. Mick G. And this is another thing where you look, you're watching this and you're thinking, like, everything in this is better than it should be. Even the direction is better than typical. And look, Mick G is not Spielberg, but he is three orders of magnitude more competent than your average Netflix director.
Sonny00:19:21Brady New. Sorry. Yeah, Noon. Right. That's that's the thing. Am I wrong? Also, he was also Raphael in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Mike00:19:30Oh, that was him. The this. What is it? What was it called? Mutant Mayhem. Mutant Mayhem. Yes. Yes. Which I enjoyed. All right. Well, it may be something for for me to share. Put it on for all the kids.
JVL00:19:43At some point, we need to go. So it's an hour, 40 minutes. It's perfect. The perfect length. The perfect amount of funny. But it's great there. It's great.
Sonny00:19:55We showed we showed my my kids who are five and eight again, as a reminder, home alone for the first time.
Mike00:20:04That's on my list for movies to share with my kids.
Sonny00:20:07My daughter, my daughter loves it. Like she my eight year old daughter loved it. She loves everything, though. Like I she does not have the most discerning. She's just like happy to be watching a movie. Right. And which I which I appreciate in certain in a certain way, but also like. I got to start, you know, working. But it's fine to love this movie because Home Alone is great. Great, great movie. One hundred top tier all time. Maybe it was.
Mike00:20:32It was just this week that Macaulay Culkin got his star Hollywood Walk of Fame.
JVL00:20:37I saw that. That boy, he really. He really eked out a lot from that series of movies, didn't he? I guess he never had to work again.
Sonny00:20:48He wasn't. But he was in a lot of stuff, though, for that, for that, from that early. The Good Son. Yeah, The Good Son.
Mike00:20:53I guess that's right. Richie Rich.
JVL00:20:55Richie Rich. My Girl. Yeah. Yeah, that thing made his made his career.
Sonny00:20:58He was he was he's still he's still. But I do wonder what his like residual checks look like. I bet he is still I bet he's still clearing like low six figures on Home Alone and Home Alone 2. Just in terms of like good for him. Checks and stuff.
Mike00:21:13His dad was insane.
Sonny00:21:15Yeah. He deserves it. Yeah. So but the five year old, the five year old was funny. I asked him, I was like, so did you like that movie? He's like, yeah, I liked it. I was like, what did you like? I liked it when he got hurt with the trucks. It was like specifically, specifically taking the micro machines and putting them on the floor because it combined two of his favorite things, physical comedy and vehicles. It was like that was that was it. People getting hurt, people getting hurt and toy cars is like that is like his idea of heaven.
Mike00:21:47So so I'm up from I am I we may do that this weekend because I've been thinking about it's time. I've nine and five are are my older boys. So like it seems like the right time. I feel like from the eight from age seven to like 14, that was something my brother and I would watch 20 times every Christmas and like throughout the summer and stuff. And we we would I think we might have broken our DVD or VCR. No, no. VHS. Oh, thank you. Um, we might have broken our VCR because we would rewind the scene where Daniel Stern falls down the stairs in the back. He slips on the ice and falls down the stairs and like and it goes down and hits like the door and then the crowbar like falls on his like we would rewind that and watch it 50 times in a row and just be in tears laughing so much. Um, it's like such a great movie. And like, I could just imagine my my boys doing the same thing. It's such a great movie when you are a seven, eight, nine year old.
Sonny00:22:57Yeah, it's like, again, it hits all of the pleasure centers. Exactly. So I'm by my I'm by myself. I can be I can be alone and, you know, violence against strangers. Yes. Excellent. My parents still love me and like demand to be near me. Of course, I'm still important, may have important in the but the the the only other random from it was like at one point I mentioned to I joked to my kids like, oh, we need to get a Michael Jordan standee and put it on the train around the tree, you know, to trick anybody who's going to try and break into the house. And they looked at me with the blankest stares and they're like, what? I was like, oh, you know, Michael Jordan, like in Home Alone, Michael Jordan will put it on the train. Who's there? Just like who?
?00:23:41Yeah.
Mike00:23:42Who? Yeah. Yeah. They you might as well have, you know.
JVL00:23:46Straight to Bron Bron.
Mike00:23:47Yeah, exactly.
JVL00:23:48Anyway.
Mike00:23:49All right. All right. Well, show. Michael, how are you, buddy? Oh, it's been the worst week. I don't even want to. It's it's it's been awful. Like everybody week. Everybody.
Sonny00:24:01Everybody. Is it because is it because you guys hired John McCormick?
JVL00:24:03I was just going to say, how could it be the worst week? Because you just got John McCormick coming to work with you.
Mike00:24:10Exactly. Which has been great. Although I was so excited when I saw that for administrative reasons at the dispatch, we this has been a week where we've been asked to stay out of. The office for multiple days just there with small office are doing like annual reviews and it's like if you're not here for your review, stay home. So like it's been kind of a weird introduction, you know, to be like, OK, welcome, and then don't come in for the next few days. But that's been great. What has not been great has been nothing to do professionally, but everything to do personally. I am the only member of my house in the last seven days to not be sick and let me tell you, before the baby came along, we were not a sick household. We rarely got sick. Our kids rarely got sick. And I think a combination of the five year old starting kindergarten, the five year old being the absolute worst when it comes to hygiene. Like you have to like you have to tell him three times to wash his hands after going to the bathroom like you'll hear him flush the toilet, he'll immediately come out, you need to go back and wash your hands, he'll go back into the bathroom, he'll come back out and you go, you didn't wash your hands, did you? And he'll go back into the bathroom, and I'll come out again, he's either you need to wash your hands. Oh, yeah, I forgot. And then he finally watches it. So he's not very good at the whole hygiene thing. He was he, you know, the first three years of his life were essentially not around other kids because he was born and then like a year and a half later, or two years later, the COVID happened, blah, blah, blah. So like the first four or five years of his life, not a lot of kids around. Now, and now that's happening. So like, and then just everybody is sick and gross. And I'm just holding on for dear life, because, like, it's one thing if the kids are sick, it's another thing of one of the parents get sick. And it's, and then like, when the baby gets sick, that's when it's really bad, you know, and it's it just, it throws off everything, you can't take him to daycare, you can't plop them in front of the TV. You know, while you're working at home. Because they're not old enough to be mesmerized by the cathode nipple. Exactly. So I'm like, what do I do? I have to actually hold the baby. I have to actually anyway. So it's fine. We're getting through or making through it. But it's, it's, it's been tough. That's that's all I gotta say. I'm very sorry.
JVL00:26:41Can I can I ask, do we have 30 seconds to talk about the explosion? And Oh, you guys were we affected you?
Mike00:26:49Did you know? Well, did you hear it? Do you feel it? Yeah. We are. We're far too. We're like 12 miles away, right? Exactly. Very, very far. Um, uh, but it was interesting because it tell, tell the people. Okay. So, all right. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. For, uh, for those of you who aren't aware, uh, I live in Northern Virginia in Fairfax County. We border the sort of inner Northern Virginia suburb of Arlington County in which there was a giant explosion of a house the other night, looks like something from a Michael Bay movie. It's insane. So what's, um, what's, uh, what's amazing too, is that there were, there was multiple people with their cameras out watching the whole thing and capturing the explosion so that we could see it in all its glory. So, um, the long story, long story short here is that there was a duplex house in a part of Arlington, um, where, um, I would, I would call it sort of like transitioning, uh, yes.
JVL00:27:52It's a terrible, terrible duplex and it's, it's only worth $5 million.
Mike00:27:57Exactly.
JVL00:27:58Um, just that one half, by the way, the half of the duplex, um, worth 5 million.
Mike00:28:04So the police come like in the late afternoon, they've got a warrant. They're trying to get into the house. The person in the house doesn't want to come out is launching things like flame as a flamethrower is maybe shooting from the house. The police are in sort of a standoff, the family that lives in the house. Duplex two, you know, the other side of the duplex has been evacuated and this is going on for a couple of hours and, uh, they are trying to coax this guy to come out.
Sonny00:28:35And the next thing you know, the whole house explodes like, I mean, fiery explosion, like giant ex like there was, uh, 10 pounds of C4 in their explosion.
Mike00:28:46Yeah. Like the Luftwaffe just, you know, was bombing, uh, you had to drop a, drop a link into the phone notes. Yeah. That's a good idea. It's, it's unreal. And so, uh, the story is that he was, I think he was like a paranoid schizophrenic guy who was, you know, obsessed with things like the ESPN app forcing things. And, um, uh, you know, he was like disturbed and obviously it had all these problems. So very sad, very crazy. Um, our old friend, Vic Mattis lives a mile from it. Uh, he texted to say that he felt it. Like the house, um, it was, uh, I think it shook, it w it was sort of like in the middle of Arlington, but it's like near a school and, um, they had to, they had to like close off. I mean, all the areas closed off. Uh, it's really sad for that family who lived in the other house, because you can see the video, you'll see if the house is gone. I mean, they're there, they are being put up and, you know, like my wife and I were talking about this, like, like what does, cause I believe they owned the house. What does homeowner. Lawyers insurance cover in a situation like this, because my neighbor builds a bomb. Yeah.
JVL00:29:59And I don't know, is that in there or is that an act of God? What is that?
Mike00:30:02I don't know, but it's, it's, it's why, you know, does the, does the county have any sort, I mean, I can't imagine the county has any kind of obligation to the fam about maybe some like base level. I don't know.
JVL00:30:15Do we know what the source of the explosion was yet?
Mike00:30:19I don't know, as I'm talking, I mean, maybe. Maybe they know, maybe it's even been reported, but, um, uh, the, uh, apparently there, there were neighbors who said that they had not seen him, the, the man inside. And he was the only man. And he, by the way, he's presumed dead. Like he was in the, in there when, when the explosion happened, um, that they had not seen him in 10 years, he was not leaving his house for 10 years. So like total recluse, um, and have like papered over the windows so you couldn't see him. And all this stuff. So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of nuts that it's really sad because the other family, they've got like two kids, uh, a dog. They had, if you see in the video, they have their Christmas decorations up. Of course that's like everything. So, but like something was very sad about seeing the house like collapse onto the giant blow up snowman, you know? Um, so, uh, I believe actually, you don't want to actually, there is a go fund me for, for that family. I can see if I can scrounge that up and throw it out there just, just cause we're talking about it. Um, I feel bad. I feel bad for them. But, uh, crazy story. Um, you just have to see the explosion to believe it.
?00:31:27All right.
Mike00:31:28The holdovers. Yeah.
JVL00:31:30Let's talk about the holdovers here.
Mike00:31:31Is there anything? Is there? Yeah, exactly. No transition. That movie talk. Ah, ah. Uh, is there anything box office to talk about? I don't really want to talk about the box office. Let's yeah. Let's move on.
Sonny00:31:41Oh, okay. No.
Mike00:31:43Sorry. Sorry. Sunny. Do you want to talk about the box office?
Sonny00:31:47Is that really what you want to do? No, it's fine. We'll just skip.
Mike00:31:50We'll skip right ahead. Well, there's a lot to talk about in this movie. So let's talk about the holdover. Sonny, you want to give us a big boy review of the holdovers? Yeah.
Sonny00:31:57Hold on. Let me pull up, uh, the IMDb page, uh, the holdovers, which is, uh, directed by Alexander Payne, who directed, uh, uh, among other films, election and sideways, uh, and stars, Paul
JVL00:32:12Giamatti.
Sonny00:32:13Playboy channel stuff was that, was that, was that, is that, was that his student student work?
JVL00:32:20That's how he paid his rent early in his career. Is he was directing Playboy TV content.
Sonny00:32:24Good for him. Amazing. Uh, Paul Giamatti, uh, plays Paul Hunnam, who is a, uh, a ancient civilization professor of the sort that, uh, you will recognize if you've taken ancient civ courses. Um, he's a, he's a hard ass. He's hidebound is his rules and his regulations. He's failing the kids of donors. So they can't go to Cornell, et cetera, which leaves him, uh, in Dutch with the, uh, administrative administration who as punishment, uh, make him stay to watch the, uh, titular holdovers who are the kids who are at the boarding school. Can't go home for Christmas. Um, one in particular Angus Tully, I was played by Dominic Sessa. He's a, a, this is his first movie, I think by the way, uh, um, he is a, a student who stays, uh, on grounds on campus during the entire Christmas break. There are some other kids, but they leave about 30, 40 minutes into the picture. Um, so it's just, it's, it's. Paul Giamatti and Dominic Sessa and divine joy Randolph who plays the, uh, the cook, uh, for most of this movie. Um, they are, they are, uh, uh, together in this, uh, Northeast prep school trying to
JVL00:33:36get along and bot, et cetera, button preparatory Academy button.
Sonny00:33:41Uh, so, uh, this is, it's, it's an interesting, it's, it's kind of an interesting movie because it's like a mashup of election and sideways, the two movies I mentioned. In certain regards, like it's like election, it's a, uh, a struggle of wills between a teacher and a recalcitrant students, um, like sideways that stars Paul Giamatti as this kind of, uh, uh, cantankerous drunk. Um, uh, I don't think it's as good as either of those movies. I think the it's, it, it fails in a couple of key ways. One of them being, um, it all wraps up very nicely at the end. It is less, it is less rough around the edges. It is less thorny. Then those other movies in terms of who we are supposed to be cheering for, who we're supposed to like, uh, everyone turns out to kind of more or less have a heart of gold. Uh, everyone is, uh, is, is, or at least the people we, we, you know, get to get to know here. Um, can contrast that to election, which is a great movie because it is, it is about two really terrible people like going to war with each other. And there's like, there's, you can, you can choose to cheer for one of them, but there's no obvious, like, this is the person that like. Tracy Flick is annoying, um, and striving and like, you know, uh, grade school, Hillary Clinton, high school, Hillary Clinton, but like at the same time, Matthew Broderick's character is not, uh, an appealing figure. He's jealous and like trying to destroy this girl for no good reason other than his own annoyance with her. Um, and that, that dynamic doesn't really translate here. I don't think, um, uh, Dominic Sessa plays Angus as, uh, as annoying and exuberant, but like it gives him enough pathos and backstory that we're like, supposed to feel sorry for him. Um, and Paul Giamatti's character, again, he's like a cantankerous asshole.
JVL00:35:30Sorry for him.
Sonny00:35:31Well, we can, we can talk about that. We can talk about that because there, there is, uh, we'll, we'll talk about that. Um, uh, and, and Paul Giamatti's, uh, you know, uh, professor is like tough, uh, but then like does the right thing at the end to help his, his young student out and stop him from like essentially being sent to Vietnam more or less that like. He sacrifices his, uh, spoiler, um, he sacrifices his own career to save him from, save the kid from being sent to Vietnam. And of course, divine joy Randolph is, is, is very good as the, the cook, but also like, again, playing kind of a stock role here, the grieving mother, her son did have to go to Vietnam. Um, and she is, uh, you know, uh, trying to hold it all together. Uh, that said, I still, I found this movie, this is, this is, you, you mentioned, um, you mentioned family. Switch being a Christmas classic that, you know, folks watch every year. And I do feel like this is the sort of movie that could potentially become a Christmas classic. It's set over the Christmas break. It's like, it is, it is heartwarming enough that people will want to return to it. Um, but it's also like thorny enough that it gives people something different to watch from like elf or a Christmas story. Um, it's, and it does have like, say what you will about the film and the characterization of these characters, Paul Giamatti delivers. There's just, uh, an absolute knockout performance as the almost rubber faced, uh, Mr. Hunnam. Like he just like, he has a series of good looks in this movie, if that makes sense. Like he pulls faces that like are amusing to watch. And he is, uh, he is, you know, Giamatti is a great actor, but he is an especially good actor at delivering very funny faces. He's got a funny face. Yes. He has a funny face. So he realizes it well here. Um, so I, I like this movie despite my reservations. I don't think it's great. I did enjoy it. Um, and I, uh, I, uh, I would recommend it to folks and I'm curious to see how it, uh, how it lasts in like both the Pantheon of Alexander Payne's work, but also just as like a general kind of Christmas movie that people return to over the years.
Mike00:37:47JVL.
JVL00:37:48Yeah. I, uh. I feel like I'm too old to enjoy movies like this anymore. Yeah. And I, once upon when I was 25, I would have loved the shit out of this thing, um, because it's languid and it's beautiful and it takes its time and it gives a very clear sense of place. And also it's like two hours and 36 minutes long and I just, I am sorry. But I'm at a place in my life where a two hour and 36 minute movie is just, it's asking so much.
Sonny00:38:29Like for the record, it's two hours and 13 minutes he's, he's tacking on 23 minutes.
JVL00:38:33It's really long. And uh, it is too long, but it is charming as all get out. And it's, you know, it's a comedy without being funny. And every, you know, it sort of moves as, as we say, from beat to beat and every one of those. Beats is rewarding enough, not every, most of those beats are rewarding enough to make you understand. Yeah. That's I'm glad this was in, in this film. And uh, I, I just, you know, I, I come out of like, this is a really charming movie and I watched it because we had to do it for the show. The idea of like watching this as a Christmas movie, I can imagine people who would do that and they are childless hipsters in Brooklyn. They would watch this as a Christmas movie maybe. There is no other person. And this is, this, this is a me problem, not a, you know, like this is art. I, I, I want movies like this to exist. I, I regret that I have aged into a place where I don't have, I don't have the bandwidth to luxuriate in art anymore. It's a me problem. Maybe someday I will again.
Sonny00:39:40Uh, so this is, this reminds me a lot of your reaction to licorice pizza.
JVL00:39:44Yeah. Yeah.
Sonny00:39:46I would say that's right.
JVL00:39:47Yeah. Very similar. Very similar. And just looking at a ton of stuff. A lot of the stuff that I really liked about it, uh, it, I mean, it does feel for people who aren't familiar with the Northeast prep school experience, they will look at this and what they'll recognize as Hogwarts, right? They will see hog and they'll be like, oh, wait a minute. This is what that's like, you know, in the, the great hall where all the kids are eating lunch at their tables and their professors are up at the head table. That's just like hog. And, and yes, that's, this is what we did. We modeled our schools when we built those. Those things back in like 1750 on the British public school experience and it's, you know, it's this weird mix like the British public schools of the very, very rich, like the children of the Pratt and Whitney CEO, uh, but then also like the cook's son, right? And this is this just like it is the British public schools. And I, uh, I dunno, I, so, so much of this feels really good while you're watching it. Um, in that way that like having a shorthand, you know, as the director and it almost feels like you're in a novel, did you guys feel like that? Like feel almost like you're in a Saul Bellow novel.
Sonny00:41:02Yes. Well, you know what, you know what it felt like to me, what it mostly reminded me of just on a purely aesthetic level is the Tarantino Rodriguez grindhouse movie because pain is doing this very specific thing with the, uh, with the titles and like the, there's like
JVL00:41:18an artificial, the universal, the universal logo. The beginning is like the seventies universal logo, the universal logos, the sixties and
Sonny00:41:25seventies logo, the, um, uh, there's like a crackle and a pop on the soundtrack when it kicks in. Like it's, he's doing this thing that makes, that is designed to put you in a, uh, in, in a nostalgic frame of mind, even if you don't quite understand why you're there. Like it, it, it, which is, which is interesting and I, I feel vaguely annoyed by the manipulativeness
JVL00:41:49of it. I thought about Tarantino, but I thought about Tarantino. I thought about once at a time, once upon a time in Hollywood in how completely immersive it is in like 1970. Right. I mean every, it's just an, a tremendous job just as whoever scouted these, these locations and made these things happen, who found the cars, uh, it's really, really well done.
Mike00:42:13I read an interview with Alexander Payne who, which he said, it's, you know, doing this in, in new England is really. E easy because new England like ages slowly and it doesn't look, it looks a lot like it did in 1970 still, um, more so than in other parts of the country, which I thought was an interesting observation about, about the location, um, not just the setting, but the location itself.
JVL00:42:41Did you like it, Michael?
Mike00:42:42I found, uh, I will admit to being, um, manipulated here because I found the movie so wonderful and charming and. That makes me happy. I don't think that means you're manipulated. It means that you appreciate art. Maybe. I don't know. I, I was, I was so taken by the three actors. Um, I thought that they, if there were, uh, you know, if, if there were sort of things that didn't work about the movie, I didn't notice them because I thought the acting was just all, uh, top tier. And not just Paul Giamatti, who I agree Sonny was fantastic. All of the faces, all of the, I think he really sells the transformation that he has over the two, two week break, uh, uh, so well, uh, but I thought, uh, the, the, the actress who plays Mary, um, the cook, so I, I've only seen her in, in only murders in the building, which is the Selena Gomez, Martin short, Steve Martin, uh, comedy, and which she plays. Uh, sort of a recurring character is a detective cop and she's, um, she's funny in that role, but it's very one dimensional and it's very, uh, you know, she comes in, does her scene and gets out. Um, so I had not seen her in sort of a fuller character and again, maybe I was being manipulated, but the entire scene at the Christmas party of her breakdown, I was. Um, I was like near tears. Like I, you could feel just everything that was sort of the tension of her going through this holiday for the first time without her son, um, that has been building throughout the movie in it, the way it exploded in that scene and the way she, her grief just kind of poured out of her in that moment. I was thought she underplays it, right?
JVL00:44:46She's not hamming it up.
Mike00:44:47Like that's all happening on the inside and you can see it. Half of that scene or more, her back is to the camera. That is what I thought was so brilliant about it. It was like, this is, this is her hiding her grief and it's sort of bubbling out at these moments when the, when the guy says, Hey, put something on hip. Oh, you know, the song that I just, I, I, I, maybe that is those kinds of scenes are a dime a dozen in these kinds of arty or indie movies, but I just, I loved it. And I, I found the actor who played Angus, the boy, the, the, the, this is the first time he's ever done anything. I, I thought this is like a star in, in sort of right here. I, I, he sold me on being a snot nosed, but behind the, behind the film. Do you know why he sold you on that, Michael?
JVL00:45:38Because he is. Because he graduated from Deerfield Preparatory Academy in 2022.
Mike00:45:44There it is. There it is. Play what you know. Exactly. He's playing exactly what I know.
Sonny00:45:49Probably a lacrosse bro. He probably was.
Mike00:45:51I don't think so. We saw his physique. Um, I, anyway, I just, I loved it. There, there were the, uh, I was totally taken in by the story as well. And, and the, um, uh, you know, it's interesting, Sonny, that you think that it was sort of wrapped up nicely and everybody's, uh, uh, sort of, you know, who to, who to root for. And I suppose that's correct if you're comparing it to other Alexander Payne movies, but I would say that the, in the sort of the language of movie. You, you think that it's all wrapping up a certain way and then the hammer comes down with, you see, okay.
Sonny00:46:29So, so again, I'm an, I mean, I just think, I just think it was very, it was from, from the moment. So we're, we're, we'll talk about the end of the movie here. If you, if you don't want to listen to that, skip, skip the rest of this episode, I guess. Um, uh, I, what I, what I will say is as soon as Paul Giamatti was called down to the office, I knew exactly how that whole sequence was going to play out.
Mike00:46:51I'm not talking about that point. I'm talking about the point where they get back from, from Boston and the school semester starts again. Like you get the sense that the, where like a lesser movies trajectory is they all see each other at campus and they all had kind of went through this experience together and understand each other a little better.
Sonny00:47:14No, no, because you have to, you have to have you, you don't have to have, but like, this is what the movie wanted to do. Was to have, uh, have Mr. Hunnam really embrace his change by sacrificing himself for his students who he has nominally hated for the rest of the movie. He has to grow as a person by, um, by, uh, you know, throwing himself in front of the train. And so like to, to JBL's point, uh, about not feeling that bad for, uh, Angus, I am, I am with you in, in one very specific regard, which is that like everything he does, he brings on himself. Like the, like what the moment when he's running through the school and he does the jump onto the pads and he dislocates his shoulder and like, you know, the gets, gets everybody in trouble there. Like that, like fuck him. He's a, he's an annoying little shit. Uh, or like where he almost gets in the fight at the bar or when he goes to like even going to see his father in the mental asylum, like taking him the weapon and leaving it there. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I understand this is hard. For you, but also like, so he stole cigarettes.
JVL00:48:24The first time we meet him, he has stolen cigarettes from one of his, uh, root dorm mates and is like being a shit, you know, with a shit eating grin about like, he's just, he's a prick from the moment we met. Of course he has reasons and he grows and all that, but I feel sorry for him. That's all.
Mike00:48:40But no, but I say, okay, this is, this is maybe just the difference in how I read it. Like I did feel sorry for him in spite of the fact that he's a prick, like he, like because there was the There was a moment, there was a moment when they're leaving the party where, um, where Paul, Paul like yells at, at him and it's like, it's like, nobody wants you basically. Nobody wants you. And, and, um, and Mary kind of out of her grief, stupor, like, like kind of shakes out. She goes, how can you say that to a, to a kid, you know, at Christmas time, who's been left alone at Christmas time. And, and that to me, I mean, that's what makes it to me, that's what makes it very much a, a, a likely a classic Christmas movie, because there is a sort of, there is a Christmas message to the movie that I just found charming. I, I loved it.
Sonny00:49:30Sucker. Total sucker. Total sucker. Mike Warren is a sucker. My two favorite moments. Guilty as charged.
JVL00:49:36Uh, one, the first time we see, uh, Paul Giamatti's character with Mary. So he goes to see her, you know, he feels bad because one of the bratty kids has, has treated her badly. And they're talking about, they're sitting, watching the newlywed game, talking about her son. And he says, yeah, you know, I had, I had, uh, I forget what, what his name, the kid's name was, but I, I had him. And she said, yeah, he's, you know, oh, it's a very insightful young man. And you can tell that like, he kind of, you know, he's just reaching for something nice to say. Um, Mary replies, he said, he thought you were an asshole.
Mike00:50:21And I last G Monty goes, is that a very insightful?
JVL00:50:26Yeah. But the other, the other is very, very early in the movie when we are at a church with all of the kids. And of course it's Episcopalian and, uh, but it is this, it's my favorite show. Don't tell moment of the whole movie where they are just showing us shots of memorials written in stone in the wall. The walls of the church for students from Barton who have died in America's wars. And there are lots and lots and lots of them from world war one and world war two. And there is one from Vietnam. Yep. And that is such a great, and you don't quite at the moment, you don't quite understand where this is going, but, but the movie brings that home and it does it without ever, you know, leaving any safeguards to you. And I thought that was so elegantly done. Uh, I just, I loved it.
Mike00:51:26It was a great catch. I agree. I agree. Um, the hour 45. Uh, yeah, it could have been, it could, I don't know where they could have shaved off Sonny. What do you know?
JVL00:51:37I don't think they could have. I mean, it's languid, but that's part of what the movie is. This is again, this is a me problem. I was like, this was side sideways is a shorter movie. I just, people love sideways. I hated that movie. From soup to nuts. Oh, I just hated everything about it. I hated all four of the leads. I hated the story. I didn't laugh once, did nothing for me, but I am fully prepared to, that's a me problem. Not a, you know, like this is, I remember David.
Sonny00:52:06Did you like election?
JVL00:52:08I mean, there are things I liked about election, but I hated, hated the two characters and wanted to see them both die in a fire.
Sonny00:52:14Yeah.
JVL00:52:15Uh, I, I remember I was very, very annoyed that Reese Witherspoon wins in election because you want just for both of them. And of course that, that is life is election. Like the Reese Witherspoons of the world often win. Right. Yeah. But anyway, I'm just not an Alexander Payne guy, although I, I very much appreciate what Alexander Payne does. And this would be my favorite Alexander Payne movie. Hands down. Okay.
Sonny00:52:43Uh, Sonny, any other, I like the movies where you hate everyone. That's, that's, that's Sonny's kind of movie. I like the movies where you hate everyone. And then somebody who you hate. It's like, yeah, that, that is like life. That's what we all go through.
Mike00:52:56Um, one of the things I thought the movie did really well was, um, I don't know, again, we talked about underselling how, how, um, Mary undersells her grief in that big scene. I like, there's a lot that sort of is, you know, is re reading in between the lines. Um, you know, at some point Paul mentions that he got close to getting married once. And like, we don't want to get married. We don't really hear anything else about that. And it's just sort of left there like a little sort of ruin of, of, uh, of a character backstory. And I love those little things, which is just, I just think is like, you know, really well written, uh, moviemaking. Uh, and then this, the, the, the whole, they sort of set things up with the, the, the, I guess she's like a secretary at the school. Who's very nice. Who has the party, by the way. I love the very first scene. She's got, um, lipstick smeared on her teeth when she brings him the cookies. Did you notice that? That's like a great sort of little detail. Like, uh, you know, she would show, of course she would have some lipstick smeared on her teeth. I'm like, not now anyway, but they sort of set things up, right. They, she's waiting at the restaurant and, and the kid says, you know, Hey, you guys have some chemistry. And, and then they, they, he sort of, they go to the party at her house and, you know, it's made very clear. She's not. She's not married. She's got a niece, uh, but not, she's not married. And the, you know, it's just like her house and they're sort of setting things up for like, Oh, well maybe Paul Giamatti's character will fall in love with her. And there's that chemistry where they're sitting there and then the, the, her boyfriend walks in at some point in the party and like, he just turns and looks, sees it. You can tell he's disappointed, but then it just moves on. I just, I thought, you know, it was like, they could have made that.
JVL00:54:47That entire thing is underplayed.
Mike00:54:49Totally. And, and I. I just love that. So, um, okay. So, uh, any final thoughts on, on the holdovers on Christmas movies? I mean, I do agree that there's a, this has some rewatch ability.
Sonny00:55:02Um, no, I think JBL is right that this is not, this is not a, like, it's not a home alone or elf or, you know, it's not a family sit down and re or even like the godfather or something like that, which is like, uh, has, has kind of, or James Bond, a Christmas rewatch for some. Um, but it's definitely.
JVL00:55:21If you're a Hotchkiss or Groton and you are 27 and you currently live in Greenpoint, this is going to be your Christmas movie for the next three years.
Sonny00:55:30This is the movie for you.
Mike00:55:31I never, I never went to all those things and I'm not 27. I enjoyed it. I would watch it again. I would absolutely watch it again. So, uh, so there, what do you think about that?
JVL00:55:41Well, your kids are going to be like, they're going to love this. Like kids, I got a great Christmas movie for you. I'm not watching it with them.
Mike00:55:48No way. Um, all right. Okay. No more thoughts on this. Uh, look at this. We're coming in, uh, under an hour. This is, uh, this is efficient. So unprecedented, unprecedented.
Sonny00:55:59Well, that's what happens when you skip the box office.
Mike00:56:01Do you want to say anything about the box? Save it for the outtakes.
Sonny00:56:05No, I don't.
Mike00:56:05Save it for the outtakes. All right. Well, that's all the time we're giving to this episode. Check us out at subbeacon.com and we will talk to you next time.
Sonny00:56:21Okay, Sonny.
Mike00:56:22What was number one at the box office, Sonny? What's going on at the box office?
Sonny00:56:27Nothing.
Mike00:56:28Oh, nothing. Okay.
Sonny00:56:31You know, it is actually kind of interesting is, uh, the performance of Godzilla minus one, which is doing huge numbers. It's the, what is Godzilla minus one? Uh, so it's a, it's a Godzilla movie made by, made by the Japanese. So there's like, there are like multiple Godzilla universes. Now there's like a Japanese Godzilla universe. And then there's like the Godzilla versus Kong monsters verse. Sure. Um, but this is, this is the Japanese one. I don't know. People, people seem to really like it. We should think about doing it for the show. Cause they, they actually extended the run. It was supposed to be out of theaters. We're taping this today, Thursday, December 7th. It was supposed to be out of theaters today. And they not only, uh, extended the run through, um, uh, through December 22nd or 24th or something like that, but also like expanded the footprint to 2,400 screens. So like people are, people are excited for Godzilla minus one. It looks great.
JVL00:57:22So it, and it's right. The story is basically, it starts the day before Godzilla appears, right? For the first time, you're at the end of world war two. Yeah. Uh, Japan has just lost, uh, and now Godzilla appears. There is no defense force. Nobody has seen it before, et cetera, et cetera.
Sonny00:57:41You turn, you turn off Oppenheimer during the pep rally scene and you start Godzilla minus one. And that's where, that's where we begin.
Mike00:57:50And if you start Oppenheimer at 8 34 PM on, no. Um, okay. Uh, is there, uh, is there anything to be said about the trolls movie?
Sonny00:58:03Because I feel like I don't want to talk about the box office.
Mike00:58:06Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to talk about the box office.
JVL00:58:08How did it do Michael?
Sonny00:58:10No, I don't want to talk.
Mike00:58:12I don't know. I don't know who, who could say I'm not, I don't have box office mojo up on my, uh, on my screen anyway. So, uh, we're not going to talk about trolls, but I can talk about it. I think box office Godzilla minus one little preview for maybe what we'll do for next week's show. Does that sound good? Everyone?
Sonny00:58:28Yeah, I'm sure it's fine.
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