#181. 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3'
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The main event is Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, and the hosts split three ways: Sonny gives it an enthusiastic thumbs up, calling it a fun "hangout movie" with terrific work from Karen Gillan and Zoe Saldana as Nebula and Gamora, sharp comic-book-minutiae jokes, and a look that finally doesn't feel like cheap CGI garbage; JVL respects the craft but can't get past the tonal whiplash between wisecracking space opera and grim animal-torture backstory, concluding the film is made for the hypothetical fan who always wanted a "dark and gritty" Guardians rather than for him, though he too singles out Gillan and Saldana as the best thing in every one of these movies; and Mike lands on a flat "meh," praising the inventive James Gunn set design, a genuinely irredeemable villain in the High Evolutionary, and an unexpectedly moving Peter Quill/grandfather reunion at the close, while still feeling manipulated that Rocket's misery, not Quill's arc, became the trilogy's emotional spine. All three concede it's probably the best MCU movie since the post-Endgame slide began, a verdict delivered with more resignation than enthusiasm, and the conversation spins out into box-office numbers, jittery pre-release anxiety over Zaslav's The Flash, James Gunn casting his own family (brother Sean Gunn, his wife), and whether Kevin Feige should have cashed out at his peak. The episode opens with an extended, almost operatic JVL saga about a septic-system catastrophe at his house — his daughter flushed a knee sock that backed up the black-water tank, sending sewage through the ceiling into the well-pump room, until a pajama-clad hero plumber named Scott showed up and refused to take a dime — plus Mike recapping his son's first pitching outing on the mound (a strikeout, some wild pitches, and admirable poise under pressure) and some dugout-discipline drama earlier in the week, and Sonny riffing on HBO's Barry and a bleakly funny bit involving a YouTube channel of little-league injury videos. They close with shoutouts — congratulating newlyweds Matt and Katya and wishing Jason Cooper a happy birthday — and Sonny's extended bit about his seven-year-old daughter getting sucked into the Nintendo "flywheel" after seeing The Super Mario Bros. Movie.
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There's a mess, and I'm not just talking about the MCU, HIYO.
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Guest00:00:00I'll tell you something. I'm Star-Lord. I formed the Guardians, met a girl, fell in love, and that girl died. But then she came back. She came back a total dick. Oh, please. He left out some important information, but that is the gist of it.
Mike00:00:30Welcome to the Sub-Beacon Podcast. I'm your co-host, Mike Warren. With me, as always, are my two co-hosts, who were always searching for a family until they found each other, Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Follow us at subbeacon.com where you can become a patron, comment, listen to bonus episodes, and be a part of the greater Sub-Beacon community. We'll be talking about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. Later in the show, but first, you know, I have to say, I'm sure Sonny and I have some very interesting dudes chatting topics to go into. But should we push that all aside and hear what exactly is going on in JVL's neck of the woods?
Sonny00:01:17Just to pull the curtain back, just to pull the curtain back a hair. Mike and I got a panicked text message from Shannon last night. That said, we're, we're drowning. We're all going to die. It's the things are bad. JVL, what was going on at your house?
JVL00:01:39We had a septic issue. Oh, I don't even know if I can talk about it yet because it's still for me. The grief is still too near. And, uh, and also I feel like we've been doing too much dudes chatting and I wanted to ramp it back. So I think maybe we just won't talk about the septic issue and you guys will just tell me about your weekends or something.
Sonny00:01:57No, that's an, I tease this in. I tease this in. I teased it in the email that went out to people. You have to tell people about the septic shock.
JVL00:02:05So, uh, I'm sitting having dinner at 8:30 last night in the kitchen and I hear what sounds like somebody has left the water on in the powder room and I go in and the water is off, but I still hear it. And so I flip on the light and the floor is covered in water. That's water is coming out of the toilet. Now. First. It's not clear to me where it's coming from. And so my initial, my initial diagnosis, Mike is a amateur plumber. You will probably share. This is one of the leads to the toilet has gone wrong. I had to reach down there and turn off the water by turn off the water to the toilet. Doesn't stop, uh, run to, but water is pouring out of it. Right? So I'm calling for Shannon, like, go get me some towels, get me a bucket to bail. Like, I don't know what's happening here. She, she does those things. I throw the towels down to start soaking up the water. I start bailing. I eventually run downstairs to the main water shut off. I turn off the main water shut off and it keeps coming and coming and coming. And at this point, it's clear to me that the water is emanating from the bowl of the toilet, not from the tank, right? And the tank of the toilet is where the water leads run into. Right? So it is no, what I am getting is no water. No longer water that is coming out of the water lines through my house. I am getting something that is coming up through the sewer lines the wrong way. Four inch pipe the wrong way. That's the wrong way. Yeah. So we're standing there. I, I eventually crank. I, I can't get the water as I'm bailing water from the toilet bowl into the sink in, in this little half bath. I can't do that. I can't do that stuff because the sinks, it's coming so fast. So I open the crank, open the window and I'm now like going in with the, I'm using one of these, you know, gallon mixing bowls that we use for, for baking and I'm dreaming and just flinging it out the, out the window.
Mike00:04:15This is Mickey and Fantasia. Mickey and Fantasia.
Sonny00:04:18Yes. Did, did you, uh, put the bowl in the dishwasher? Are you going to use that bowl ever again?
JVL00:04:25You, you wait for that. I am bailing water, which has bits of stuff in it, stuff directly out. Uh, I am where I have a brand new watch and it is an amazing, amazing watch, a gift from my buddy, David Remus. And I don't even have time to take off this watch. This watch is getting covered in stuff, everything. And this is, this is a very fancy Tudor, the Tudor Pelagos. And, uh, and, and Shannon is on my phone trying to find the, the plumber, the number of the plumber. And she calls him while I'm bailing and bailing. And this plumber, Scott, who has done like two jobs for us, like, I don't, I don't know. It sounds bad. And I'm, you know, she's like, we're on speaker and I'm like, it's fucking horrible. And Scott, God love him says, look, I'm in my pajamas, but you don't, you don't mind. I'll be over in like 10 minutes. And so this plumber, this plumber may be the greatest hero of them all.
Sonny00:05:27Would you say over, would you describe him as a super plumber, a super, a super Steve? What's his name? Steve.
JVL00:05:36Better than Mario. Better than better than Mario. Wow. So getting flashbacks to better than Mario, super Scott, brother, super Scott brother comes over. And by the time he gets there, the water in the bowl has gone all the way down and has stopped filling up. So he sort of looks through and we walk around, we tap on the, the foreign strange pipe and he says, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's clogged. So I'm pretty sure you got a clog going on somewhere in, uh, somewhere in this system, you're gonna have to call like a road, a router type person. Right. Right. So I said, okay, uh, we can't turn the water back on. Right. He said, no, no, no, no. If you, any water that goes down the drain in anywhere in this house is gonna come right up out of that toilet. Cause that toilet is the lowest point in the house. That toilet is the closest to the septic box.
Sonny00:06:31Can I, can I ask a, can I ask a dumb, uh, physics of the house question? Yes. So, so, all right. So the septic tank only takes the waste water from the toilets, right? It's not, that's not where your like bath water and stuff run. Right.
JVL00:06:47Well, we have, we have two septic tanks, a gray water and a black water, and the, this was the black water tank. That was backed up. And I think what happened actually, what I, I believe this may interest you, Michael, I believe that actually the shower in the kid's bathroom, which in theory should run to the gray water tank, I believe runs to the, the black water tank, because this all began after flash had been in the hour in the shower for like 45 minutes, because, you know, he's 15 and he takes 45 minute showers three times a day. So, uh, it, it, it. It was backed up and, and Scott says you could call their guys who can come out and do a 24 hours because, but if, if you call someone to do this tonight, it's going to cost you a lot of money. He said, if you wait till the morning, uh, I didn't ask, but when a plumber says a lot
Sonny00:07:42of money, this is why I was, when a plumber is like, you really don't want to do this. I would strongly urge you to, to just pee outside like a savage. He literally said that.
JVL00:07:53He literally said, you get keys. I mean, can't, can't the kids pee outside if they have to pee in the middle of the night? And I was like, sir, sir, I, I could handle that. Flash could handle that. The rest of this family. No, no. Uh, so he said, here's my, here's the number of my, my buddy, Joe. He said, Joe does not do night calls anymore. He's like too successful to do night calls. Uh, but if you call him at 7:15 tomorrow morning, he'll take care of you. Just tell him I sent you. God bless you, Scott. So I turned to Scott. I said, all right, buddy, how much do I, you know what this man said to me? You know what? The super plumber who came over to my house in his pajamas said to me, see, you don't owe me nothing.
Sonny00:08:35Oh, look at that.
JVL00:08:37I said, buddy, what are you talking about? He goes, ah, you know, those things you just do for friends. Like it's like, and I want to be clear. Scott and I are not friends. Like I would love to be friends with Scott, but that is not the level of our relationship. And he, he just, just threw me a freebie on this. And, uh, which is great because I'm going to need that money for the water damage because the water then went through the ceiling down into thank God the well pump room. And so I did some time doing demo in the well pump room this morning, pulling out a fiberglass insulation that was sopping wet. Uh, well, I was using gloves, obviously. Okay. I wasn't, wasn't not crazy. Okay. Like, you know, I had on glasses and a mask and gloves to handle fiberglass and, uh, I'm running a fan now down there.
Sonny00:09:27Oh yeah.
JVL00:09:28And do you have a dehumidifier? Uh, I, you know, that's a great idea. I do have a dehumidifier and I didn't even think to wheel it in there and turn it on. Boom.
Sonny00:09:38Probably put that in there. Just FYI.
JVL00:09:40Boom. That's happening. Okay. So, uh, that's what happened. And I, I took a shower this morning once it was all. All back. And I don't know that I'll ever feel clean again, but here's the funniest part. So I'm, I'm talking with Shannon last night as we're racking our brains, trying to figure out, well, how did this happen? Cause we're so careful septic system is brand new to us. We're not used to it. We don't know, trying to figure out what, what could possibly, what could it have been? And Shannon says, oh, I wonder, I wonder.
Sonny00:10:17Oh, that's always. Yeah. I love that. I love that sentence that starts that way. If it's involves cars, if it involves cars, if it involves water stuff in the house, if
Mike00:10:28it involves money, you know, like, yes.
JVL00:10:31Well, favorite did flush a sock down the toilet a few days ago by accident. I wonder if that could have had something to do with it.
Sonny00:10:40She didn't, she didn't tell anyone.
JVL00:10:44So I said a sock, a sock down the toilet. She's yeah. She was, she was like, you know, coming out of the shower and picking up her dirty laundry and it's up, you know, just a bunch of things happen at once. And she was flushing the toilet and one of her socks. I said, would this be one of those? You know, her Catholic school girl, like knee socks that are like 18 inches long and made of a combination of stretchy spandex and cotton so that it could accumulate things in it that
Sonny00:11:09will never fall apart in a tank or any other situation.
JVL00:11:13And, and she said, you know, I, I don't know which sock it was, but I, you know, she said, I just told at the time she was worried about it. And I, I just told her, you know, don't worry about it because I didn't want her to feel bad. And so I said, you know what? I don't want her to feel bad either. So we just won't say anything about if this had been flash, he'd be sleeping outside for the next week. So that's my septic system.
Sonny00:11:37That's I, I guess I, so I guess the issue here then is that your, your, you think you don't know for sure, but you think that the, uh, the, the. The shower was hooked up to the wrong septic tank and that's what caused this to happen.
JVL00:11:52Well, I, I believe that's why it happened when it happened. Right. So, so the key is, cuz I said this to the guy, I said, so how can I ever leave my, if I had not heard this, if this had been happening all night long, uh, like who knows how much damage there would have been, it would have been horrific. Right. We're talking tens of thousands of dollars. Uh, I said, so how can I ever leave my house again or sleep if this could just happen at any moment? And he said, no, no, no, it can't happen at any moment. Somebody has to be actively running the water, right? It's not like it just, nothing's happening and it erupts. What happens is you've got a blockage. Somebody is running water and that water is coming down the drain, but when it hits the blockage, it's gonna come back up and it's gonna come back up from the lowest point that is closest to that, which happens to be this first floor bathroom. And that's where it's, it's gonna, that's gonna be it. That's where it's gonna hit. And it's gonna hit if you've got somebody running water. So if nobody's using water in the house, cuz we're all gone, then it can probably be okay. Question. Yes.
Mike00:12:57You say this is a new septic system.
JVL00:13:00Yes.
Mike00:13:01Does it have an alarm? Not that I'm aware of.
JVL00:13:05Okay.
Mike00:13:06Okay.
JVL00:13:07Do, is that a thing they make?
Mike00:13:09It is a thing they make. Uh, I know this because my parents are on septic. Uh, they live in the rural areas of Georgia where, uh, in a new bill build with a new septic tank. And I have been at their house when the alarm has gone off and what the alarm does is when the, when the water level reaches a certain level, it just goes off and it's not to alarm you that water is coming through. It's just like hits that certain level. Um, and then you can call somebody, you can call your come and snake it.
JVL00:13:42Correct. Which means, you know, you've got a blockage and go snake that before it comes out of your toilet and you have to reach in there with your tutor Pelagos to bail out the water with stuff floating in it.
Sonny00:13:51Well, I guess, I guess, I guess here's, well, I guess I have, I have a lot of questions because I just don't understand how this works because I've always lived in civilized places that have water lines under the ground that take the water away to other places. I don't understand any of this that you're talking about. So when you say there's a, a blockage, why was it? Why was it this specific like shower running that caused the thing to overflow? I mean, like why I, I don't understand, I guess I just don't understand how this system
JVL00:14:24works. I don't know. Once the, once the, so what, what happened was, uh, the blockage was not yet complete. The blockage was still allowing, it was taking the flow from like 100% down to 50% and whatever happened the way things were being flushed down after the sock, uh, that finally went to 100%. And once you go to a hundred percent, then just a matter of time until the volume of water put down.
Sonny00:14:50Right.
JVL00:14:51Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so that's, that's that. Honestly, I gotta say, I do feel a little bit proud of myself for handling this better than I thought, because this felt like a, one of those nightmares you can't wake up from yesterday. Right. And I, maybe it's just that I'm in shock or, but I, I feel like my mind. Yeah. Is already purging all of those memories because I otherwise couldn't function.
Sonny00:15:18Well, it's like childbirth, it's like childbirth, you know, something like that. This is, so this is like an actual, but this is more dramatic. This is an actual, uh, psychological phenomenon that like, uh, you know, uh, apparently, I don't know. I probably get a lot of angry comments from, from the women folk who list the five ladies who say the five, but, but, uh, but like Laura, but, uh, KSA.
JVL00:15:43But Mary Catherine Shannon and, uh, and yeah, my understanding is that the actual act of
Sonny00:15:50childbirth is not, is not really, uh, remembered typically by, by women like the pain, et cetera. It's it within, within a few months, it just kind of like disappears off into the ether and you have to have this psychological response. Otherwise the human race would not propagate itself because there'd be too much fear of child birthing.
Mike00:16:11But there's an evolutionary. Biological reason for that, not for, not for shoveling out.
JVL00:16:19Well, no, but same, it's the same thing. If I, if I could remember what this felt like, then nobody who lives in my house would ever
Sonny00:16:29be allowed to use the indoor toilets again.
JVL00:16:31Right. Like every time you had to drop the kids off at the pool, I'm sorry, we're driving over to the Wawa and you'll use their bathrooms.
Sonny00:16:38If it was, if it wasn't like this, the human race would never have been able to, you know, take a route anywhere because you know, once you have a mess of that sort and you're always going to have a mess of that sort at some point, you know, you would just move on to the next place, but that's no, that's no, you can't have a stable life that way. That's crazy.
Mike00:16:55It's horrifying. No bad ism. Does it doesn't work. Um, all right. Well, everything then at this point. Okay. JVL.
JVL00:17:04Okay. Yeah. I mean, it'll, it'll cost money when I have to, uh, go and refinish the room with the well pump at it. I know that it is energy efficient, but as of right now, again, once I have the fan going, once I put the dehumidifier in there and crank that up and we leave that go, I believe I got everything that was wet out. So I don't, I'm not concerned about mold and not, I think that I've done a pretty good job in remediation and demoing in there. Uh, and you know, we're just gonna act like nothing ever happened. None of you won't, you will be astonished at how much this never happened.
Sonny00:17:40Uh, did you, did you have somebody, did you have the. Did the guy come out and, uh, check the check for the clock?
JVL00:17:46Yeah. Yeah. He came out this morning. Uh, I, you know, just like, just like Scott said, Joe took care of me, Joe said, I called Joe at 7:15 and Joe says to me, uh, you know, I got, I got a guy who lives five minutes away from you. He'll be there into the hour. And this guy was over my place 25 minutes later, came in, looked around, took the whole thing in, concurred that it was a clock and said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take care of you.
Mike00:18:10Don't worry. Nope. This is Jersey. Are you gonna be called on at some point in the future at some point, Scott is gonna
JVL00:18:17call on me to do something for him and it'll probably be getting rid of the body. You know what? I will do it happily.
Sonny00:18:23Scott's gonna be like, Hey, uh, I have done you this favor and now I need you to write my son's, uh, college essay, uh, I will do it happily.
JVL00:18:34Right. Uh, and if, you know, it turns out Scott needs me to bump off his wife for him or something.
Mike00:18:40I didn't tell you guys about this. This is a very New Jersey conversation.
JVL00:18:43I did not overhear this. My wife did at, uh, one of flash's baseball games. She overheard one of the parents, a, a dad on the phone with somebody else in which he is talking. So she was only getting one end of the conversation. This guy is telling his buddy about a story about this guy killing his wife and he's complaining that when he was telling his wife about this story and he was telling her that, uh, you know, like he understands why, you know, a, a guy could be pushed to that, but his wife got all upset. And this guy saying to his buddies, like, I mean, that's ridiculous, right? And clear his buddy is like, yeah, ridiculous. And they're both these guys are like, cause sometimes you just want to fucking bump off your wife. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are my people.
Sonny00:19:28Uh, I'm gonna, I will have the gabagool on that one. All right. Uh, uh, why don't we skip me? I'll do my thing at the end because JBL is right. We should cut to last week's episode was long. It was too long, too long. So, uh, we'll go back very, very quickly.
Mike00:19:43Very quickly. And speaking of deep shit, uh, my, my son's baseball team was in it on Friday. They played, uh, their first game in two and a half or three weeks because of rain delays. And it was bad. There was, um, bad talking the umpires who were four years older than they are, you know,
Sonny00:20:07not much older than they were somewhere between the age of 12 and like 30. Basically. Cause that's how everyone, that's how everyone in that age range looks to me now. Yeah. I just like, I, you could be 13 or you could be 27. I don't know.
Mike00:20:21They don't have, they don't have peach fuzz on their, on their cheeks. That's that's how, that's how young, um, they're bad mouthing the umps, they're bad mouthing each other. They're missing.
JVL00:20:30What do they say to the umps? Do they call them the C word?
Mike00:20:33No, no, no. They're not saying this to the umps. They are, I should say they're bad mouthing them in the dugout. Okay. Grumbling in the dugout. They're grumbling in the dugout.
Sonny00:20:43Yeah. I mean, that's, that's just part of the game.
Mike00:20:45No, no, this is, this is like not, this is not, I don't allow that. This is not okay. So, and, and they're just playing bad baseball and um, they got a talking to by you or by
JVL00:20:56the head coach. No, not by me.
Mike00:20:58You're the assistant coach. No, I'm not an assistant coach for this.
JVL00:21:00Oh, that's for the younger team.
Mike00:21:01Correct. This is the older team. This is the kid pitch team. I was keeping score and counting pitches, but I, so I, at one point I did walk by the dugout and, and told them to cut it out. Coach got onto them. The next day we had another game, a regularly scheduled game and uh, it was, it was like night and day. Hey, they took their medicine. They took their medicine. And the only other thing I'll say about it is, uh, my son got his first, I was texting JBL about this, his first ever, uh, inning he pitched, uh, coach called him up. Didn't like announce it beforehand. Just call. He called me over actually first and said, Hey, will you go? And. Take him and warm him up because in the fourth inning, he's gonna pitch and, and I have to say I was more nervous than he was about this. I'm like pacing back and forth as he's taking them out. He is like cool as a cucumber, takes the mound, looks like he belongs there.
Sonny00:22:00Um, it gets shelled basically.
Mike00:22:02Yes. No, you told me you got a K and two put out, right?
JVL00:22:06I saw one of the put outs and he was as calm like 90% of kids when a ball comes back to them, when they're the pitcher, like first they freeze on the fielding of it. And then when they have to throw to first, it's suddenly, you know, it's like walking across a four foot wide bridge, but if it's a thousand feet up, right, you can walk across, but you're throwing from there. They, they freak out about it. And he looked totally comfortable and serene doing that.
Mike00:22:32It was great. It was great. It was good to see. I mean, you know, he, he, he threw quite a few wild pitches as well, but like, yeah, just exactly. And, and afterward I said, I said, yeah. I said, I said, you bounced back after every kind of wild pitch you threw the pitch that wasn't good for you. And it's almost like you didn't think about it. And he's like, yeah, that's what I did. I just didn't think about it.
JVL00:22:52Clear the mechanism.
Mike00:22:53Exactly. So the only thing I was concerned about actually, I don't care. I didn't care if he walked them all and, and scored all four runs before they mercy ruled and ended the inning. I just didn't want him to have a breakdown on the Mount. You know, I just didn't want him to sort of like. Get into trouble and then I don't know, quit or get really rattled where he, you know, and I had no reason to think that he would, but it's just, that was my concern.
JVL00:23:21It's hard watching him.
Mike00:23:22Isn't it? And, and, and he did, he did great. So that's, that's all I have.
JVL00:23:26How are you?
Mike00:23:27How was your experience watching him pitch real basket case? Once he, once he was going and once I could see that he was not gonna be rattled, then I calmed down. Then it was fine. Then it was cool. Um, but it was just, it was. It was great to see because the kid could not throw a baseball well, you know, that well, nine months ago, he'd been playing, but you know, it's just like, ah, it just, it, it was great. So, um, and the team, they ended up tying, which is better than losing 16 to two or whatever they lost the night before everybody's like stepped up. So, uh, that's, what's going on, uh, in my neck of the woods, my, uh, one, my only, my
Sonny00:24:08only thought on this is, uh, I I'm. Yeah. I'm currently watching Barry. Do you guys do either?
Mike00:24:13You guys watch Barry. Yeah. But I'm not, I'm not updated.
Sonny00:24:16I'm like in season. What is it? Well, it's a, it's a show on HBO. You wouldn't, you wouldn't enjoy it. Um, but yeah, you don't, you don't watch, you don't watch premium cable TV. That's not a thing if you like bill Hader, but it's, it's very, it's very good, but anyway, there's a, there's a very funny bit in the most recent episode where, uh, bill, bill haters, his character, Barry finds, uh, finds. Somebody playing baseball that he doesn't want to be playing baseball and he shows this person, uh, videos of little leaguers dying, like YouTube, YouTube channel. That's like YouTube, the YouTube channel is like little leaguer deaths or something like that. It's kids like running into walls. He's like, all right, you see this, you see this, you don't want to, you don't want to end up like these guys. It was very funny. Anyway.
Mike00:24:56All right. Well, let's, let's move on and talk about guardians. But first actually let's, let's talk a little bit about box office from this past weekend. Number one, of course, debuting was guardians of the galaxy volume three. Three raking in more than $118 million in this opening weekend, followed by, we've talked about it before. We talked about it early in the podcast, super Mario brothers, that persistent bugger of a movie at number two, followed by evil dead rise. Are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. And then debuting at number five is love again. What the hell is love again is doesn't matter.
Sonny00:25:31Nobody's ever going to see it. Okay. Um, uh, the, uh, guardians of the galaxy volume three opens. Okay. Number that I think is soft, uh, and is, is, uh, is, has to be a disappointment for basically everyone involved. The big question is whether or not it, uh, it holds well, if you look at the Marvel track record for these last four or five movies, they have all dropped between 65 and 70%. Okay. Or so I think the only one that hasn't since, um, the only one that has not since, uh, end game is, uh, Shang Shi. That's the only one of these movies that has. That has not dropped between 65 and 70%. Um, so if, if this movie drops between 65 and 70%, I think we, we do have to start having the, our audiences getting tired of comic book movies, um, conversation for, for real and for serious. And if I'm, if I'm David Zasloff at Warner brothers, uh, and I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, oh, I've got this flash movie and I really believe in it. It's great. It's, it's so good. I'm showing it at cinema con. Every everybody's talking about how great it is. I'm peeing. My pants, I'm peeing my pants right now because if, if the Marvel cinematic universe is kind of hitting a wall, um, flash is going to be looking at like, sh probably not as bad as Shazam two numbers. Cause this is a Batman movie. We have to, we have to, the reason that all of the trailers for these movies are for the, for the flash movie and all the ads have been focused on Michael Keaton is because they're like, seriously, guys, this is a, this is flash. It's called flash movies. Flash flashes in it.
Guest00:27:02It's Batman.
Sonny00:27:03It's right.
Guest00:27:04It's a Batman movie. Guys got like Batman. Come see the Batman. Cause we got, we got three Batman, got so many Batman in this movie. We got the original Batman, we got, we got so many Batman we've got all.
Sonny00:27:17So anyway, so this is, uh, I, I, I, I'm, I'm curious to see what the hold is, uh, after this weekend. We'll have, we'll have more, we'll have a better, fuller understanding of the picture then.
Mike00:27:27But yeah, it was, it was 30 million less, almost 30 million less than guardians two's opening. So, I mean, it is, it's better.
Sonny00:27:35It did better than guardians one. It did worse than guardians two. Good in the middle. But like the real, I mean the real, the real issue here, again, the real question is how it holds in the second weekend, because if it has a decent hold in the second weekend, then you can say, well, word of mouth still works. Word of mouth still works. People showing up for these movies that people like this got an A from cinema score. It's got, it got really good exit scores from rent track. It it's, it is, it is regardless of what the two other people on this podcast, who aren't me think about the movie, it is very, it's getting good, getting good notices from, from audiences. So in theory that suggests, okay, that, that is a, it's getting scores that suggest it should hold well. And if it doesn't hold well, if it is as front loaded as all the rest of these movies, then we start, then we start saying, well, there's trouble in Marvel land.
Mike00:28:22Is it correct that Shang-Chi is considered of the post end game movies, the, the best or one of the best. Okay.
JVL00:28:32So, so quality or. Well, it depends on whether or not you count. No way home. The Spider-Man movies. Keeping those tough, but, but no way home is like a doctor strains movie. No way home really is an MCU movie. It's very hard to disentangle.
Sonny00:28:44Yeah. But, but so is, so is no, uh, so as far from home, right. Far from home had, uh, Nick fury and whatever, but like, I, I, I, I don't consider those movies MCU movies that are owned by Sony. They have different, there's a, there are different franchise imperatives in play there. I just, I, I think it's important.
JVL00:29:03Then let me throw this at you. Sure. If you don't consider those Marvel movies. Then it has been four years since there was a good Marvel, you know, Marvel movie.
Sonny00:29:13People like Shang Chi. I don't know.
JVL00:29:15I mean, it's people, people tolerate Shang Chi. Nobody likes Shang Chi. A lot of people like people are like, yeah, Shang Chi. That one, that one didn't suck. That one, that one was a B we got a solid, but maybe a B minus, maybe a C plus don't make me watch it a second time, but, but sure we, it's not terrible.
Sonny00:29:32Why don't watch any of these movies a second, every watches any of these movies a second
JVL00:29:36time. It's been four years. There are, there are eight year olds who have never seen in the theaters, a Marvel movie that didn't suck. Uh, I, and this is, this gets to the chicken and the egg question, which is, is the problem that audiences are tired of these comic book movies, or are they tired of shitty comic book movies? And maybe it's a distinction without a difference because if the studios start putting out crap products and people decide they don't like them, then they're gonna be done with comic book movies. And it's gonna be really hard to convince them that the next comic book movie is good and to get them to show up. Right? You gotta train audiences to expect goodness. But I have a question for you about flash Sonny, which is that Zaslav must be conflicted because this is the last movie from that version of the DCU.
Sonny00:30:24And so if this one does well, no, what else is there? Aquaman. There's still an Aquaman too. Coming out in December. Is that shot? It's all done.
JVL00:30:33So what happens if these two, what happens if these two movies are hot are hits? And then you have James Gunn, who's just torn the entire, they've done a huge tear down on the entire thing and is starting his own thing.
Sonny00:30:43Like, well, I mean, I think, I think the whole, the whole point of flashpoint, this, this is basically flashpoint, right? It's like, it's, it's basically a universe rejiggering event. It's it's it, this is the crisis on infinite earths of, of DC movies. I, my understanding is that after this, they are able to, uh, kind of reset and, and do whatever. But I don't know. I mean, look, I, the, the, the whole, the whole thing has been a mess from day. One. I, the, you know, they, they, they wanted to, they wanted to do a single unified vision and then they got freaked out when that single unified vision, uh, alienated some people and then, and it's been chaos ever since. So like, I don't know, man, I don't know what the, I don't know what they're gonna do, whatever, whatever happens. They brought on themselves though, by abandoning the one true faith in Zack Snyder.
JVL00:31:30I think honestly, Warner brothers is in a better place of flash bombs because then they can be done with Ezra Miller. Yes. They can be done with the entire old DCU at that point, then, you know, the, the Aquaman two is just a whatever, then we're done with it.
Sonny00:31:48Well, the problem, but the problem though, is that they've got this, this peacemaker thing that is, was pretty popular. Like they, they want to, they want to keep that going. James Gunn's wife's in that he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to get rid of that.
JVL00:31:58Get her work.
Sonny00:31:59Got to get her work. She's in guardians of the galaxy.
JVL00:32:01Sure is. Sure is. It's a work. It's a WPA program for James Gunn. Gunn's family.
Sonny00:32:07James Gunn and Sean, uh, Sean gun and Mrs. I don't actually know what James Gunn's wife's name is. She just, when she shows up on screen, I'm like, oh, James got must either be directing or producing this.
Guest00:32:17Hmm.
Sonny00:32:18That's how I, that's what I think.
Mike00:32:19Well, this is a, a conversation that I guess we'll have to wait to see how, how it tracks. Uh, but let's move on to the actual movie itself. And before we do that, guys, can you indulge me here? Can we pause this for a second so I can just run to the restroom for two minutes? Of course. Okay. What do you think you're doing? Cut that out. All right.
Sonny00:32:41I'll be right back. We're gonna make fun of him. We're gonna make fun of you while you're gone. He took his headphones off. Do you believe his bladder so small? He can't even wait.
JVL00:32:47Well, I kept you guys waiting for like an extra 30 minutes, so no, you kept us waiting
Sonny00:32:52for 10 minutes. He would have been going 40 minutes into this. What is it? What is, what is this nonsense?
JVL00:32:57Uh, yeah, I, I don't, I dunno, from Warner's perspective, I'm a little surprised they released flash instead of just doing to it what they did to bad girl.
Sonny00:33:13I mean, I, my, I, so again, everyone seems to think that, that the, the higher ups are worn at Warner are convinced that this movie is a big hit. They are con they are all convinced that it's great that audiences are gonna love it. Uh, and maybe they're right. I don't know. I, but like I, from a, from a pure strategy point of view, it definitely does. Not make any sense to me. I, they, they should have, you know, whatever.
JVL00:33:41Does it look good? It doesn't look. Good to me. It looks like shit. It looks like absolute shit. It does not look, it looks like going back to Michael Keaton's Batman feels like such a transparent rip off of the Chris McKenna script for, for no way home, but setting,
Sonny00:33:55but setting that all aside, setting, setting that all aside, even like, uh, the actual look of the thing looks terrible. Like every time I see a trailer for it, I'm like, this looks like. Bad CGI. This looks like it looks flat and it looks like the, the lighting is off and the scale is off. There's this shot in the, there's the shot in the, um, in the trailer that has two Ezra Miller's and there's like some weird green screen thing behind it. And I'm just like, this looks like a nightmare. How can they, how can they make this like in the main advertising that they're doing for the movie? Oh, Mike's back.
Mike00:34:32Hold on.
Sonny00:34:33All right. Can I do my big boy review now?
Mike00:34:36I'm going to, I'm going to go to you right now.
Sonny00:34:39Okay.
Mike00:34:40All right, Sonny, let's get that big boy review going of guardians of the galaxy volume three.
Sonny00:34:45Why did you pause? I'm not going to edit any of this out. We talked about, you're going to have to listen, you're gonna have to listen to see what we were saying.
JVL00:34:52Uh, all right.
Sonny00:34:53Um, uh, guardians of the galaxy volume three, uh, does kind of an interesting thing in, in that it makes, uh, it decides to take the main character of this series so far, who is, uh, Peter Quill played by Chris Pratt. And make him a secondary character and make the actual main character of the movie rocket raccoon, and then put rocket raccoon in a coma and tell his story entirely through flashbacks. Um, in which we see how he was, uh, animal tortured into becoming a super genius raccoon. Um, I don't know. That's kind of, that's, that's an interesting, bold thing to do. I, I, so I, I don't, I'm not going to sit here and explain the whole plot of the movie cause I don't, uh, I don't think it matters that much. Um, what I am going to do is say that I think. Uh, that this movie gets at what has worked so well about the rest of the Marvel cinematic universe when it's working perfectly and that it is a fun hangout movie. I enjoyed being around all of these people. I like, I like their interactions with each other. I like Drax and his like kind of deadpan, uh, literalisms. I like a mantis kind of messing with him. I like, I like Chris Pratt as a Peter Quill, Chris Pratt, biggest Chris of the summer. He's right up to Chris Pine's face. And he says, you know, if I'd been in your movie, your Dungeons and Dragons movie, that movie would have made twice as much money because look at these other movies that I'm in and I'm better. Um, and then, uh, you know, I like, I, I, I like, I like Nebula. I think Karen Gillan is doing very interesting work as Nebula, um, as the kind of tortured daughter. Uh, it, this movie has all of the problems that come with, that come very specifically with casket. Skating levels of comic book minutia. And what I mean by that is I was sitting there in, in the theater, watching the movie in the press screening. I could not for the life of me, remember how Gamora came back to life. I could not, I just couldn't, I couldn't remember it, but the movie does a very smart thing, which is that it makes fun of this by explaining it in detail, like three different times from by three different characters, just like just lays out, like, it's a younger version of Gamora who came back through time and she doesn't remember anyone. Peter Quill and blah, blah. And I was like, oh yeah, this is making fun of what is, what is again, the big problem with comic book stuff in general is just remembering what happened to all of the characters and trying to figure out where exactly in, because you don't have the little, you know, the Marvel style asterisks at the bottom of the panel that say this occurred in Dr. Strange issue number 126, uh, when, you know, like it doesn't have any of that. There is no, there is no explaining what's happening. Unless the character explains it to you. And I kind of, I kind of, uh, like that. I like this movie. I thought it was funny. I thought the action beats worked not just as actual action sequences, but also as ways to move the story forward and, and put us in the shoes of the characters. Uh, I liked, uh, I liked the look of the thing. It didn't look like cheap garbage. Like so many of the recent Marvel movies have, it didn't look like cheap garbage, like Ant-Man and the wasp, quantum mania. It didn't look like cheap garbage, like black Panther Wakanda forever. It looked like an actual movie. Um, and even if the like big action set piece at the end is your kind of standard CGI glop, it was fine. It was, it was, it was totally fine. I liked this movie a lot. I had a, I had a great time in the theater. I'll never see it again. I never see any of these movies again. I have no desire ever to watch another Marvel movie after I have seen it the first time, but this was fine. This was, this was good. I've I had a fun time in the theater. I enjoyed watching it thumbs up from me.
Mike00:38:34Thank you.
JVL00:38:35Counselor defense or prosecution who JVL I look, look, I think that if there are people out there who just love the guardians of the galaxy qua characters who are guardians of the galaxy fans first, right? That's their entry point into comic books or comic book movies, and they really enjoyed the light and funny and carefree versions of the guardians of the galaxy. But what they really have been pining for is a dark and gritty version of guardians of the galaxy, which has a dark night like origin story with tons and tons of animal torture. Then this is the movie that they've been waiting for, and it's going to reward them because it is very earnest. It is very serious. Deadly serious the whole way through. It has things to say about the nature of evil and the roots of man's desire to control things. It operates on multiple levels, and if that's what you've been wanting from a guardians of the galaxy movie your entire life, then you're going to see this thing and you're just going to say, man, this bullseye hits the spot. Everybody else they're going to be like, I'm sorry, I came to see them hang out and crack jokes. Why is there? Animal torture? What's happening here?
Sonny00:40:06I mean, I don't tell jokes and dance monkeys. This is this is this is I am I first of all, I don't think that that's an accurate rendering of there's lots of jokes and dancing, literally jokes and dancing in this movie. There's a dog who keeps getting told she's a bad dog and she doesn't like it. That's funny. It's a funny thing.
JVL00:40:26That stuff is that stuff is funny. The first of the nine times that we get that joke, the the the movie really hums along when we get their broken family dynamic. So there is a scene in which they are all in the living room of a Levittown like alternate Earth, which is populated entirely by weird humanoid animals who don't speak a language that they understand. And they are sitting there trying to communicate with them while Drax is trying to put his feet up on the sofa and everybody else is telling him it's rude to put your feet on the sofa. And he's talking about, well, but the width of it, clearly it's meant for nothing. And, and Mantis is snapping at him and, and Star-Lord is trying to express himself and make himself understood to these people by simply saying the same thing over and over, but louder. And there is a goofiness to that because that is the kind of moment when you are hanging out with characters who you love, whose relationships are quirky and kind of defy, I mean, some of them are like big brother, little sister stuff. Some of them. Some of them are best friend stuff, some, but they really defy categorization, right? They're familiar to us, but they don't, they don't really map exactly onto all of our relationships and it's super fun. And then, oh, nope. Sorry. Back to the animal torture. Hey, look at this cute bunny that we stapled something to its lips on. Yeah. Look at that. Oh, this cute right? Baby raccoon. It's a little, watch this.
Sonny00:41:59We're gonna cut it open. I'm surprised. You know, you're, you are not an animal person. You're not surprised that this, this bothered you as much as it seems.
JVL00:42:06It's like fucking water ship down. It's uh, I really, and talk about non-kid friendly. Yeah.
Sonny00:42:14Holy crap. No, I, that is, that is true.
JVL00:42:16Sonny warned us about the change of the change of pace on the tonality of it between the first two guardians of galaxy movies are just bubble gum with nothing to them. And this like, this has ambition about things to say about the, the drive for perfection in the world and how it comes from self-hatred. And, uh, I mean, this shit didn't work for me, but I can say, as I said, if you, if you are somebody, look, I spent 30 years of my life going around saying what I really need is a Batman movie that takes it all seriously. I need a gritty and dark Batman movie. And then, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna write, you know, I can't stop tugging it because we finally got my dark Batman movie and if you aren't, because you know, my whole life, I'm getting, you know, like Adam West, Batman or like, how could it be serious? He's a grown man who dresses like a bat and his underwear is on the outside. And I kept saying, no, but you don't understand. There's real serious philosophy there, man. I wrote 7,000 words about this for the weekly standard dude. And for whoever that version is for the guardians of the galaxy out there, I suppose there's somebody at comic-con who for 10 years, 20 years has been saying, well, we really need
Mike00:43:28man is a super serious, dark and gritty guardians of the galaxy movie.
JVL00:43:32There you have it. You've gotten your movie now. So you did or didn't like it, JV? I didn't, but, uh, but as I said, it wasn't for me. It was for, for the comic book guy who is, who wanted a dark and gritty guardians of the galaxy movie.
Sonny00:43:47So I don't even think it's that dark and gritty, whatever, Mike, what did you think?
Mike00:43:51If I can, if I can Solomon baby, this conversation here, um, I texted you guys when I got out of the movie meh, that was my reaction. My reaction to it, which I don't think, which says so much in, in yet doesn't say enough of like what I thought about this, which was, I agree with Sonny about all of the good things about this movie. I, it was, it was funny. It was fun. It was the, all the hangout stuff. I mean, the thing with JVL about that, about that hangout in the house is it's like, it's the place where we've never been able to see the guardians of the galaxy because they're zipping around space and here they are like in a suburban living room. Very funny. Um, it looks great, um, very inventive in that James Gunn way, right? The, the whole like body horror space station place stuff, set piece stuff like that was like weird and bizarre. Is that, is it correct that there was like a urine fountain in the middle? I believe so. Yeah.
Sonny00:44:54Okay. So I didn't see, I didn't even pick up on that. That's clever. That's funny.
Mike00:44:58Hey, you know what that is? That's funny and lighthearted. Exactly. It's clever. And I liked, um, you know, learn a little bit about rocket raccoons backstory because this has been a through line in the guardians movies, which is, you know, people call him a raccoon. He says, I'm not a raccoon. And they try to get a little bit more about his background and he never really reveals it. Okay, fine. Great. I actually really liked the villain. What's the high evolutionary great villain. Because for the, for like the first time, I feel like in these kind of movies, it's like, there's nothing. Understandable about this guy. There's nothing that where you, where you go, well, you know, he, he did lose his mother or, you know, he, he did, you know, he's just, he's just a bad dude. He's just crazy. He's just too Genesis. Exactly. It's eugenics. Exactly. So I, I love all of that. And yet I walked out of the movie with that reaction. Like I just, it just felt like. It felt like the, a really good to use the Scorsese metaphor, like a really good theme park ride. And then I was just done with it. Like, it does nothing for me. And I could be suffering here from, you know, the, the problem of they didn't make the movie that I wanted them to make, but I didn't know that I wanted them to make this movie until I watched it. But I do think putting Peter Quill in the, on the back burner in this movie, making this about rocket, like the end scene where they really kind of shoved in all these, like tie up the loose ends. Cause that's the third movie where I could do another one, but the end scene spoiler, Peter returns to earth to see his grandfather. And there's that like moment of recognition when his grandfather realizes who he, who this is. And like, it actually got me. I was like, I'm emotionally moved by it. No. And are you kidding? Listen, listen, listen. And yet I, and then I was like, wait a second. That was so cheap. I like, I've just been like manipulated here. I actually wanted to see a movie where like. That was focused on Peter Quill's like, you know, struggle to you know, reconcile his, you know, his, his dual, you know, parentage or whatever. And like to have that moment, like to earn that moment, I thought a movie that earned that moment that I was at first for a moment sort of brought along with, like, that's what I wanted to see. And instead we got like say JVL, the animal torture porn. And like, I just, I, I, there was that, I did not understand. And at the end of it, why the movie did the, like went in that direction plot wise. It just doesn't, it doesn't S it doesn't have the same emotional half that like, frankly, the person, the human being in the movie that we should be related to that story.
JVL00:47:45The weirdness of choosing to make rocket rap, the rocket raccoon character, the emotional core of the movie. It is like doing a Batman movie and deciding, you know what, we're gonna actually gonna make batmite. The emotional core of this thing, we're gonna, we're gonna let Bruce and Alfred and Barbara and Jim Gordon, they're gonna do their thing, but really we're gonna, we're gonna dig into what makes batmite tick because that's a bold choice.
Mike00:48:14That dog, we need the best dog, the bat dog, the bat dog look, but, but like, I can't, I can't be too upset with it because it was so much better than ant man versus the was quantum mania or like any of these other garbage Marvel movies that have come out. Like, am I looking at the best movie of phase four?
JVL00:48:33Yeah.
Sonny00:48:34How about that? I think we're all, I think we're in phase five now. I think phase four ended with Wakanda forever.
JVL00:48:38Uh, then it's the best movie of phase five, phase five probably because and phase four , but this, I really, we've joked before about when the death March set in, but I do feel like, I mean, we've gone to a place where I now dread having to see Marvel movies. Uh, like I just, I don't have any hope. That they're gonna be any good. Uh, I go to them out of duty and I was the guy on this show who held out for the longest and it was just like the easiest mark saying, like, yeah, I can't wait, man, it's gonna be great. Iron man three, you know?
Sonny00:49:14Yeah. I mean, I, the thing is I still don't dread any of these. I S uh, I still think they, they all have the, the chance for at least goodness, but I will say that like after the, the, the one, two, three punch of eternals. Wakanda forever and quantum mania, don't forget black widow. Black widow is a terrible movie, devastating, but at least it was like, but at least it was like love and thunder is a terrible love and love and th God, I even forgot about love and thunder. I like multiverse of madness, but for very specific reasons that have to do with it not being much like a Marvel movie, it's more like a Sam Raimi movie, which I'm the only person here who really likes, but like, uh, but like, I don't know, man, I, I just, I am, well, I, this, this whole thing is kind of off the rails.
JVL00:50:07Kevin Feige should have left when he thing, when he was the hottest he could ever did. This is a very, very good lesson, right? Uh, you should leave when you're on top, go parlay that to something else.
Sonny00:50:20There's nowhere to go. There was nowhere to go. He could, he's not gonna take over. What he wants is to take over star Wars. If I had to guess, if I had to guess what he wants is to take over star Wars. And Kathleen Kennedy will not give that up. And Disney is too afraid to get rid of the only powerful female executive, uh, in all the filmdom. And so, so star Wars continues to languish now, Marvel's off the rails and they've, they've, uh, they've messed everything up.
JVL00:50:46When super Scott calls me and says that the favor he needs is for me to bump off Kathleen Kennedy. I'll do it for him.
Sonny00:50:52You'll I'll do it. Well, you would've, you would've done that anyway, though. He didn't, he didn't have to, he didn't have to save your septic system.
JVL00:50:58Yeah. I mean, Kevin Feige is, I mean, he's gotta do something, right? Can I, because these movies and did you guys get the eternal, the eternals, not eternal, the Marvel's trailer? No, I didn't.
Mike00:51:08Oh, yeah. Oh, it was terrible. I've seen it. It looks awful. It looks just, yeah. So, but before we leave guardians of the galaxy volume three, a couple quick questions, one. So James Gunn's, uh, brother, right? Sean Gunn plays. Sean Gunn. Yeah. Like I know I've seen him in a previous movie, but I had no idea.
Sonny00:51:29No memory of him for like the, well, he was, he was in the first two guardians of the galaxy.
Mike00:51:34Yeah, he was right. But like, wasn't he, wasn't he, what's his name's like henchman or something? Yondu. Yondu's henchman.
JVL00:51:40Yondu's Michael Rooker's Michael Rooker's number two.
Mike00:51:43Okay. Um, like, but I still felt like I did have that feeling at the very beginning of this, of this movie. Maybe that is also what, what took me off of this, which is like they establish all or they, they, they don't establish all of this stuff that I feel like. Needs to be established because I haven't seen a guardians of the galaxy movie in six years or however long it's been. So like, where are they living? What is this place they're living on? And like, why is this dog that talks there? Like, I don't remember any of this stuff.
Sonny00:52:10None of this matters.
JVL00:52:11None of this. I, I would say also just one last thing, cuz I don't wanna be perceived as being anti-woman or anti-female character, especially after crapping all over the Marvels. The two best things in every single one of these movies have been Gamora and Nebula. Uh, the, the. They are done a disservice as an audience and the story is done a disservice every time it turns away from them. And even in this, the best stuff in it is Gamora and Nebula. And they, you know, because partly because the characters are interesting, partly because of the performances by Karen Gillan and Zoe Zaldana, who are both sensational, uh, and really great actresses. And as you said, some like Karen Gillan has given a lot of kind of like it's small stuff, but she does it in interesting ways in this, uh, she's wildly underappreciated actor. And, uh, yeah, I, I, I could give me a sister's movie, which is just the two of them going around having adventures together like a buddy cop, the heat, give me the heat with Gamora and Nebula. How's that for an elevator pitch? It's the heat, both Gamora and Nebula. Boom.
Sonny00:53:17Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I, I need more. I just need more Chris Pratt. That's a number for number one. Chris, by the way, I just want to point to the box office this week. Do you know who has the number one and the number two movie, Pratt, Pratt, Pratt, as he's
Mike00:53:32called?
Sonny00:53:33I just, I'm just starting that. I, I don't know. You know, I mean, I like, I, I just saying, just saying by the, by the way, the, the scene
Mike00:53:39of the suburbia or like when they land and all the little things like it clearly, I mean, they film all these movies in Atlanta, but like, like I have, I have seen a neighborhood that looks exactly like that. Like every, every five minutes down the road from where I grew up, like they're just all, they're all like, it looks exactly like. My hometown. So I just loved, I was like, oh, that is like, that is exactly where they filmed six. So, uh, any other thoughts on guardians of the galaxy volume three?
JVL00:54:06No. All right. Did you, did either of you stay for the singers? I could not be bothered. So I didn't, I don't remember honestly. Yes. Sunny.
Sonny00:54:15What, what were they? I don't remember.
JVL00:54:17Wow. Do you remember once upon a time when at the entire audience, the whole theater would stay for the stingers. People talk about them online. People would go, Hey, no, no, no. Sit down.
Mike00:54:27No.
Sonny00:54:28To be like, so the middle, the middle one was like the new guardians of the galaxy rocket raccoon is the head, uh, and Adam Horlock is on the team. It's ridiculous. It's dumb. Um, not enough.
JVL00:54:40Elizabeth typically in this movie either. She's really funny as that character and they, they give her like five lines.
Sonny00:54:46They also did something weird with that character where she was like less regal and like kind of a mess, which I didn't like. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't like what was going on.
JVL00:54:53They turned her into a train wreck instead of like an ice princess.
Sonny00:54:56Yeah. So something like that. And then the very, the very end was, uh, Chris Pratt with his grandfather. You got more Chris Pratt and grandfather, Mike Warren.
Mike00:55:04Oh, I should've stuck around.
Sonny00:55:06Should've stuck around.
Mike00:55:07All right.
Sonny00:55:08Well, important. How emotional satisfying.
Mike00:55:10Well, we are not going to stick around anymore. Let's uh, we'll see you next time on the sub beacon. Thanks for listening.
JVL00:55:17Uh, before you go, can I give a quick shout out? Yeah. Happy wedding, Matt and Katya, our buddy, Matt Robarts got married to his long time fiance. Hey, congratulations. Very exciting. Also it was Jason Cooper's birthday. Happy birthday, Jason.
Sonny00:55:38That's all. Happy birthday.
JVL00:55:40Happy marriage. Happy birthday. Yeah.
Sonny00:55:43Uh, what do you got Sonny? Uh, so I wanted to just very quickly, uh, tell you guys about a thing that happened in my life that, uh, is talked about a lot in the world of business, but it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a thing I've never really experienced before until this weekend. When, uh, or this week when my daughter who is, uh, seven said, you know what I want for my birthday is I want, I want a Nintendo switch with super Mario cart. I thought to myself, oh, that's interesting. And then she said the exact same thing like a day later. So I knew it was real. I knew that there had been a, the, the hook was in her head and you know what this is? This is the flywheel. It's the flywheel. She went and saw super Mario brothers in the movie theaters and then she was like, oh wait, there's video games. I can play of this. I would like to play this video game. And now she's going to play the video game and you know what the next thing she's going to say, I want to go to, I want to go to the theme park and go to the super Mario world at universal. I, I assume they have one, I don't know, but, and then, and then she's going to want to play more video games and then she's going to want to see more movies and it's it. That's it. It's they've got her. They got her in the flywheel. It's it.
Guest00:56:51It's happened. I'm sure it's fine.
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