#160. 'Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania'
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The movie is Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and the verdicts land in roughly the same bad neighborhood: Sonny brands it "the worst movie since the MCU movie before it" and, on reflection, slots it into the bottom tier alongside Eternals, Iron Man 2, and Thor: The Dark World — movies so busy setting up franchise business that they forget to be movies themselves — while allowing he didn't hate it, since he'd done the homework (watched Loki) and likes the cast even though the script wastes them. JVL, who saw it twice (the second time in IMAX 3D, "as God and James Cameron intended"), delivers the harshest teardown: the quantum-realm visuals look indistinguishable from Disney's Strange World, Evangeline Lilly is given less to do than MODOK despite being in the title, and new villain Kang the Conqueror (Jonathan Majors) never becomes a credible threat since he's now been killed off-handedly in two different MCU properties (this film and the Loki finale). Mike, the self-declared non-nerd who bailed partway through Loki and confesses total bafflement at the lore, mostly just shakes his head at the whole enterprise, though he lands some good jabs at MODOK's "face Photoshopped onto a chassis" design and at the The Marvels poster. JVL uses the film as a launching point for a broader diagnosis of the MCU's decline, from grounded street-level heroes to space-opera schlock to unruled "magic" to a now-collapsing multiverse of timelines nobody outside the fandom can track. As usual, movie talk doesn't start for a while: the opening stretch covers Mike's 35th birthday and late-night grocery-store sushi, a debate over refrigerated-sushi safety, Sonny's bit about Kroger selling Nolan Ryan–branded steaks, JVL bragging about gaming SeatGuru to book the best first-class seat for a paid speech 20 minutes from Sonny's house (whom he still declines to see), Ash Wednesday ashes, a riff on the The Pope's Exorcist trailer via quoted Indiana Jones dialogue, some chat about the Butterworth brothers writing the new Indy movie, JVL's story about his son being terrified by an R-rated Scream trailer that ran before their PG-13 matinee, and an extended running bit about the cardboard fort-building kit Sonny's kids got, including JVL's mock-cruel parenting tip about withholding a replacement set to teach them a lesson.
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Guest00:00:00I used to ask myself a lot of questions, Scott, you're at X con. How are you an Avenger? That doesn't make sense. But everywhere I go, people tell me the same thing. Thank you, Spider-Man.
Sonny00:00:23Welcome back to the Sub-Beacon. I'm Sonny Bunch. Most for now. Right. Co-host, special co-host, guest co-host. I'm joined, as always, by Jonathan V. Last and Michael Warren, the Mulch King of Virginia. We are here today to talk about many things, including Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania, the worst movie since the MCU movie before it. But we've got what's going on in your guys' world. Mike, how was your week and week? How have you been since last week?
Mike00:00:53It's great. Since last week we chatted, I turned 35 years old. So that was a big... Hey, happy birthday. I could just tell the advertisers don't give a shit about me anymore. Like, as soon as I woke up that morning, I was like, they don't care. Like, oh, I'm out of the demo. I'm out of the demo. No, no, you're fine. It's till 39 now. What? The demo is now, it's like 24 to 39. If you're a white guy between the age of 24 and 39. 39 is the new 35. Yeah. If you're a white guy between the age of 24 and 39, you're fine. Actually, I think it's all the way up.
Sonny00:01:23To 49 now. Actually, if you're under the age of 50, you're still, you're still, you could go out there and ask for that gum and nuts can like Homer Simpson. Yeah. I got it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No. So that's, that's really all, all that's going on. And it was, it was like one of those birthdays where... Did you get anything special for your birthday? Oh yeah. It was super special. It was, it was, you know, go out to the movies.
Mike00:01:53It's the traditional birthday gift. Go out to lunch with the newborn baby. At the Olive Garden? At the... If you had time. At the local Mexican restaurant. And then we did the very classy thing of immediately leaving the restaurant after we finished and going to pick up dinner at the sushi restaurant next door. So all these nice plans. And then of course, like, because this is what it's like with kids and newborns and blah, blah, blah. Didn't get to eat that sushi until like, 9:30 that night. It was, you know, and I'm just like hunched over the plate, you know, just like shoveling it in. Yeah.
Sonny00:02:32Did you go, you went and bought sushi and then just put it in your fridge? Yeah, you could do that. Fresh sushi. I mean, you can do it.
JVL00:02:41It'll last like 12 hours in the fridge. It's legal to do it, Sonny, but that doesn't mean you should.
Sonny00:02:48It's legal. You can you can certainly take that sort of risk. With yourself and your and your health and your taste buds. But I don't know that you should do it. Really?
Mike00:02:59Like, you guys haven't had like sushi from the grocery store or from, you know, that where it's just like it's in refrigerator.
Sonny00:03:06I turned not since I turned 23. OK, all right. I don't eat sushi.
JVL00:03:10No, that isn't surprising.
Sonny00:03:12I mean, JBL, JBL not liking sushi makes sense. But I like I yes, I have it when I was when I was a child. I would go to the gas station and get the gas station.
Mike00:03:21Hey, it's a gas station. All right.
Sonny00:03:23But I didn't I once I once I became a man sushi, I became a man. I put away childish things like gas station sushi and I go to I go to like actual restaurants. I get a takeout and bring it home.
Mike00:03:36But I guess I guess I was just holding on at the age of 35 to this one last, you know, vestige of youth. Piece of childhood. Exactly.
Sonny00:03:46Don't you worry about it like drying out on you? No, it was delicious. They cut it off. The fish delicious, you know, refrigeration.
Mike00:03:53It's an amazing innovation, Sonny Bunch.
JVL00:03:56I mean, you got the fish when they make the sushi. The fish have been dead for a while already. Right. And so the fish have just been sitting in some sort of refrigeration container.
Sonny00:04:04Once again, I don't I don't know where you get your sushi from, but I only go to restaurants that fly it in straight from the seas of Japan.
Mike00:04:11They bring in. They're definitely real Japanese sushi on the same on the same airplane.
Sonny00:04:17It's the it's the tuna and the the five Wagyu from, you know, the Kobe. Prefecture, it all comes over on the same plane. We get it. That's that's all I eat. I mean, that's I don't I don't know what you guys breakfast, lunch and dinner right now and down on over there. No, I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but one of the funny things about where I live in Texas. So we you know, we've got we've got Kroger's here. I go to Kroger most regularly and Kroger gets like all of their meat from Nolan Ryan. Like their steaks, their steaks come from like Nolan Ryan's, I guess, enormous cattle. Do they say like Nolan Ryan? It's like Nolan Ryan branded steaks. So like like they get like prime flies and, you know, choice rib eyes and it just but it's it's Nolan Ryan, which is which cracks me up for a variety of reasons that I can't quite explain. Like I expect baseball players to, you know, open a car dealership.
JVL00:05:12I was going to say that the Texas version of the car dealership or something like that.
Sonny00:05:15But Nolan Ryan being like, I'm going to have I'm going to have 100000 head of cattle like, OK, sure, why not supply and supply America?
JVL00:05:23His largest grocery store with, you know, Sonny, I'm going to be like 10 miles away from you tomorrow.
Sonny00:05:30And yet you are not you're not going to hang out with me at all.
JVL00:05:33It's not possible.
Sonny00:05:34It's a what are you even what are you in town for? What are you giving a private speech? I'm giving a I'm giving a speech. Yes, I'm giving. I can't come.
JVL00:05:43I'm giving a paid speech. No, you cannot. Are you paying Sonny? A small, small trade group, a small trade group. OK, but so I did. Something you sure?
Sonny00:05:55Because I'm going to see Cocaine Bear Thursday at five. Are you free Thursday at five?
JVL00:06:01Oh, how far is the gay lord from you?
Sonny00:06:0820 minutes.
JVL00:06:10Oh, let's talk off. So so they're flying me first class. I have not flown first class in years. And and I did something. Which I'm not very proud of, but I'm a little proud of it. When when the travel agent said, you know, we do first class accommodations. Just tell me what flight you want to be on. I went and I pulled up all the possible flights from Newark to Dallas. And then I went into seat guru. To check out the planes and to see which plane each of these flights used, and I chose the flight. I was going to take by which one has the nicest first class section.
Sonny00:06:57It's fair. I mean, I don't is that is that wrong?
JVL00:06:59I just feel like I mean, I'll probably be I'll be 60 before I fly first class again. So instead of just being in one of these like, yeah, great, it's a leather seat, you know, in a 25 year old plane. I'm going to, you know, like a new brand new air bus where it's like the lay flat pod.
Sonny00:07:17Do you have a bed seat?
JVL00:07:18Yeah, yeah, I do.
Mike00:07:19Do you turn left? Do you turn left when you get on the plane? That's the key. Question. Yes, yes, yes.
JVL00:07:26I'm going to turn left when I get on the plane. I'm not even going to see the plebes and steerage now.
Sonny00:07:31Do they have like a full do they have a full curtain or I mean, I hope it's a solid door.
JVL00:07:37I don't want to steal. Curtain doesn't provide the the insulation protection you need from the masses. Right. And the problem is, of course, it's such a short flight that I'm not going to lie down and sleep. But the fact that I could is really it's really going to help me.
Sonny00:07:53Well, I question, did they have you book the actual legs of the fight or did you just tell them the airline you wanted to fly?
JVL00:08:00I told them the airline and the flight number. So I was like, I want to take this American Airlines flight one, two, three, four, whatever it is.
Sonny00:08:09Did you take the shortest flight possible?
JVL00:08:12Well, it's a nonstop.
Sonny00:08:14So you didn't you didn't route through like Denver.
JVL00:08:16You didn't fly all the way over to Denver to get more time and more time in the first class cabin. No, no, I took the. I took the straight shots, but I'm very excited. Have either of you flown first class recently? Are there any things that I should expect? Have they changed it?
Sonny00:08:32The nicest flight.
JVL00:08:33Do they offer like geisha service now or? No.
Sonny00:08:38Conversation? The nicest flight I've ever I've ever taken. I was in business class to Israel, went to Israel once on the on the APAC junket, which was which was nice. And that was business class. And it was fantastic. It's the only time I've ever really slept on a flight. Which made it all worthwhile. But I like that was 15 years ago. I don't I don't I fly Southwest. I fly the I fly the cattle cars of the sky.
Mike00:09:04Yeah, I've never flown first class. So I have I have no frame of reference except like the the looks that you get from the people, like the looks of shame you get from people as you walk by first class. You know, like they know that that that it's it's it's wrong on some level. And then. You can't look away. So that's my snowpiercer. It is.
JVL00:09:26It's it's it is. It is totally.
Sonny00:09:29And they're feeding us bugs slash triangle of sadness slash, you know, the people in steerage and snowpiercer should have been glad that they got on that train at all.
JVL00:09:39I guess I guess otherwise I would have died.
Sonny00:09:42They would have died in the snows. Instead, they got to live.
JVL00:09:48Sonny, what are you doing, bud? What's going on?
Sonny00:09:53Um, not a whole lot.
JVL00:09:58I notice your forehead is blank. Have you just not gotten to mass yet?
Sonny00:10:02Well, I was I was trying to figure out what did you guys not take showers this morning? I don't understand what the you're you're all dirty.
JVL00:10:08So we are we are taping on Ash Wednesday. Mike and I have both been to mass. And I assume, Sonny, that as a member of the Knights of Columbus Swimming Society, so you've already been been secretly baptized. Because, surprise, the pool is made of holy water.
Guest00:10:27That's not how it works. That's not how it works.
JVL00:10:29And I'm pretty I would thought that part of the the arrangement was that you had to go and get your ashes on the offseason.
Sonny00:10:36No, no, no, that's not that's not. No, I celebrated Ash Wednesday by watching a great new trailer. I don't know if you guys saw it. I tweeted it out. A great new trailer for a movie starring Russell Crowe called The Pope's Exorcist.
JVL00:10:51Oh, my.
Sonny00:10:51Russell Crowe. Russell. Crowe is the Pope's Exorcist. Who's the Pope? Now, this is not he's not he's not exercising the Pope. He's not exercising the demons from from the the devil Pope that I guess you guys have now. I don't know. I don't know what the I don't know what's going on there. But the but the he is the exorcist who works for the Pope. He's like the Pope's personal exorcist. The Pope sends this guy to the real hot spots.
JVL00:11:15He's the Pope's John Wick.
Sonny00:11:16He's the Pope's John Wick. It's based on a real guy. It's based on this guy, Father Amaranth or some some nonsense. Who? You know, who was like an actual exorcist.
JVL00:11:26It sounds amazing.
Sonny00:11:27But it's but I don't think this movie is based on fact because I saw a lot of demons and, you know, supernatural stuff.
JVL00:11:36Yeah, I think is you don't believe in magic, but you've seen some things. Those things make you believe that all that really matters is how it doesn't matter what you believe, but only it matters how hard you believe.
Sonny00:11:50You just have to believe in something. Just believe in literally anything. That's the basis of all faith, right? It doesn't really matter what specifically you believe in.
JVL00:11:57Sorry, I'm quoting the stupid Indiana Jones dialogue back to you because that trailer does not look good.
Sonny00:12:07It looks it looks the shots of the ticker tape parade in particular look real bad.
JVL00:12:14Yeah, I did. Who's directing? Is it Spielberg?
Sonny00:12:18No, it's James Mangold.
JVL00:12:20Who wrote it? Do we know? Do we know who's the screenwriter?
Sonny00:12:26I can't remember.
JVL00:12:26Makes me nervous.
Sonny00:12:28It does not look good. It does not.
Mike00:12:30It does not look like it's going to redeem Crystal Skull.
Sonny00:12:35Crystal Skull. You know, Crystal Skull is fine. Look at this.
Mike00:12:38It's already happening. You know, Crystal Skull is fine.
Sonny00:12:42I gave that movie. It's funny. I gave that movie a positive review when it was in theaters. I was at the Washington Times at the time. I gave that I give that I like kind of lukewarmish thumbs up because it's not a terrible movie. It just is a movie with some very terrible parts. It just has some very bad parts. As a whole, though, it's fine. Spielberg, good director. I'm pro Spielberg.
JVL00:13:02Written Jeffrey Dahmer. Not a bad person. Just a person with some bad parts.
Sonny00:13:07Look, that's a that's a fairly Catholic way of looking at things, right? Like, you know, as long as he says he's sorry, it's fine, right?
JVL00:13:13Hate the scenes, not the movie. No, I get that.
Mike00:13:16I don't know. The whole corpus, though, suffers if if the parts are are are in peril or in some. So the Butterworth brothers are who wrote this, this upcoming Indiana Jones movie. Is that a joke? Jez and John Henry Butterworth.
Sonny00:13:32That's the Butterworth.
Mike00:13:33That's what it says. All right. So, yeah, they wrote. Oh, they wrote Ford versus Ferrari. Yeah, well, that'll be great. In Edge of Tomorrow. Good movie. With Chris McQuarrie.
Sonny00:13:46OK, well, Chris McQuarrie.
JVL00:13:47I was going to say Chris McQuarrie wrote that movie. Chris McQuarrie wrote that movie.
Sonny00:13:52It's no. I don't know. I'm fine. There's really nothing going on here of note. We got this. There is one thing that I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this or are aware of it. But my wife, the lovely Beth, bought this thing for the kids. It's a, like, make a fort kit. And it's a bunch of, like, it's the cardboard pieces and they've got little foam circles. And he put it. And I have to say, I love this thing a million times more than. I love putting it together and building the little structures. It's like grown-up Lego. If I had had this when I was a kid, it's, like, real. It's, like, full-size Legos. I can, like, build a Lego house for myself. And I probably would have become an architect, frankly, if I had this as a kid and learned how to, like, make structures and get them to stand.
JVL00:14:42Well, now your children can become architects.
Sonny00:14:45Instead, I became a writer. It was a terrible choice that I made, a writer and a podcaster.
JVL00:14:49Do you yell at them to be more gentle with the pieces so they don't break them?
Sonny00:14:53Yes, because they'll just stand on them. They'll just stand on the cardboard. And I'm like, you're breaking the structural integrity of the cardboard. You do this, you're not going to be able to put anything on top of it. It's just going to collapse. And they're like, but I want to put my trucks on it. I'm like, fuck you, kids. This is not a shelving unit. This isn't – you've got to treat it with respect. This isn't a toy. No, it's really wonderful. It's really led to a lot of bonding time with my children. It's brought you guys together. But I don't – have you ever – So you seem to be aware of what I'm talking about, JBL.
JVL00:15:26Yeah, we had a cardboard pirate ship. We never got the castle building blocks. We had the cardboard pirate ship, which lasted for, I don't know, a good two weeks before, you know, aggressive play rendered it inoperable.
Sonny00:15:43Well, that – like when the – I am – I'm curious to see how long these things last. They're okay for now, but it's definitely the sort of thing where, like, they will stand on – They'll stand on a piece of cardboard, and I'll, like, tense up. I'll, like, visibly tense up, like, get off that.
JVL00:15:58So listen, let me just give you a parenting tip. Yeah. Once they break it, what you do is – so you should preemptively order another one. And when they break this, you then bring out the new set. And you say, so kids, you didn't do what I told you to. You broke it. Now, this is my set. And you're going to watch me play with it, but you may not touch it because you had yours. But you broke it by not listening. And so these are the consequences of your choices. And that's how they learn.
Mike00:16:31Make sure you immediately pull it out when they break it. Right.
JVL00:16:35You have to have it in the closet because otherwise they don't learn. They have to connect. It's like with a dog. Exactly. It's like with a dog.
Sonny00:16:42When you have a dog and the dog shits on the floor, you can't rub its nose in the poop later because then the dog is just like, why are you rubbing my nose in this poop? I don't understand what's happening. They have to do it immediately so they know not to do it.
Mike00:16:56Rub your kids' faces in their cardboard poop. Got it.
Sonny00:16:59Yeah. Look at what you've done. Look at what you've done. Now I have to. Actually, I kind of want to do this. I actually just want to get both sets out at the same time and build a super fort. Frankly, if I had two, if I had two cardboard fort sets, I could build a fort the size of my living room. It would be amazing. There'd be like hallways and tunnels, windows. I could build windows.
JVL00:17:21It sounds astonishing.
Mike00:17:22It's amazing.
Sonny00:17:23It's a lot of fun. I recommend it if you've got kids. They won't understand what to do with it because they don't have their, like the problem with children. Children have many problems. I would say. But one of the problems with children is that they don't have the finger strength to really do the things that you want them to do. So like even like putting Legos together. We've talked about this. I think like getting Legos together is hard for little kids because they don't, they can't snap the pieces together. They don't, they can't take them apart. They don't have the, you know, the, the, their monkey fingers aren't strong enough yet. Um, so with the, the cardboard fort, it's great, but they really can't put the thing together at all. Like they, they, they just are physically in incapable of doing it. They're not strong enough to force the foam pieces into the little cardboard slots, which, um, is again, it's great for me. Because it means I actually get to do everything. I get to do the whole thing and they get, they just get to play on it and play in it and play around with it. I send them, I'm like, Hey, go get me one of the little circles. I need one of the little circles to make. And they go and get me that. And usually it takes them like five reminders. So I ended up having to go get it myself. And by the time they bring me one, I've like moved on to the next piece. So I need it for that anyway. Um, but yeah, no, it's, uh, it's a, I recommend it. It's fun, fun toy. I'll go look up what the name of it is. That's a good idea.
JVL00:18:40So, uh, last week I mentioned that I was super excited for the next like six to eight weeks of movies. And at the, at the Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania last night, I saw, even more trailers for movies that are coming very soon. And I'm so excited, including Fast X, which looks, I mean, of course, now that, now that I've seen Jason Momoa in a Fast and Furious movie, it's obvious that this is what America has needed for the last decade.
Sonny00:19:13One could say it's what America has been building toward. Yes. For its entire existence.
JVL00:19:17Yes. And I, I just, I needed Jason Momoa in a Fast and Furious movie. We have that. We have the Tetris movie on Apple Premium Plus, whatever we're supposed to call it.
Sonny00:19:31Apple TV Plus, please.
JVL00:19:32Apple TV Plus. We've got the, the Michael Jordan movie that'll, I guess is Netflix. Is that, or is that going to be in theaters?
Sonny00:19:40I think that's just, I think that's just a regular theatrical.
JVL00:19:43Dungeons and Dragons, Super Mario Brothers, Shazam, in which, in which we get to see. One of the great actresses of her time as a Shazam movie villain, Helen Mirren. Wow. Sure. It's about time. It is about time for that, right? One of the things.
Sonny00:20:04She's also been in a Fast and Furious movie. That's right. She's like Jason Statham's mom. Fast Seven or something? Most of those movies.
JVL00:20:11The most slumming I've ever seen anyone really. And that's, that's Dame Helen Mirren.
Sonny00:20:19There's a long tradition of this. This is, yeah, this is Michael Caine and Jaws 4 or whatever. Like, this is not a. Yes. Yes, that's right. It's British. The Brits have different standards.
JVL00:20:27And Cocaine Bear. I mean, like, this is, it's all coming together. We have made it through the desert. The movies are back. We were in the movie desert for like the last year. And it was honestly, there were times when this show was hard to do because it just wasn't enough product. And now not only is there product, but it is good product. And I'm fired up.
Sonny00:20:49The Pope's Exorcist comes out April 14th.
JVL00:20:51The Pope's Exorcist, Guardians of the Galaxy. Galaxy 3, which brings back Gamora. Great.
Sonny00:21:00Sure. We're going to cheapen all the death. No one's ever really gone. No one's ever really gone.
JVL00:21:05No one stays dead except for, well, you know, in the, in the, in the, in comic books, right? The joke is that, you know, it was the Bucky Clause of death, which was that the only, the only people who ever stay dead are Uncle Ben and Bucky. And then Uncle Ben and Bucky came back.
Sonny00:21:22Yeah. But in the end.
JVL00:21:23But in the MCU, right? The only person who's ever really going to stay dead is going to be Tony Stark because they can't afford Robert Downey Jr.
Sonny00:21:30Well, I was going to say, you know, it's funny. I, uh, in the long, long ago, like 2014 or 15, I wrote, uh, I wrote a blog post for the Free Beacon that said Marvel should just sign Robert Downey Jr. to a billion dollar contract. Yes. Give him a billion dollars and he can show up in like three properties scattered throughout the year. Move him into the, uh, the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. role or something. Make him some sort of elder statesman in the MCU and just have him show up because otherwise this thing is going to fall apart. And guess who was, guess who was proven 100% right? Didn't you have something else you wanted to complain about with the trailers, though?
JVL00:22:10Oh, well, you know, I will complain about this. So I had to go see, so we're talking about Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania.
Sonny00:22:18Yes.
JVL00:22:19And I had to go see it twice because the first. Time I went, I took G money and, uh, we, so we were at a 12:00 PM show of a, uh, a superhero movie, a Marvel superhero movie, which is rated, I think PG 13 PG 13, right? Uh, a very, very full Dolby theater, uh, 70 to 75% of the audience is under the age of 10. And. The lights go down after nu so nuvi wraps up, Maria Menounos bids us goodbye and all of her milf glory. And, uh, and the first thing we get is we get the green, you know, the following trailer has been approved for all audiences and fucking ghost face jumps out and starts like stabbing people. At which point a whole lot of kids in the audience freaked the F out, including G money, who was like, what is happening? I don't wanna be here. I wanna go. And so. And so we noped the fuck out of the theater. We lasted again under 60 seconds through the first trailer and then had to just like, he wanted no part of going back in there. Who the fuck puts an R rated horror movie trailer in front of a matinee of a superhero movie.
Sonny00:23:42But I don't see, well, I'm sure that's just the, that's the trailer package that plays in front of the movie. Every time it plays, no matter the time or day or whatever, I don't see what the problem is.
Mike00:23:50Yeah, that's well, it was approved for all audiences. What more do you need to know in bed?
JVL00:23:57That night G money says to me, cause dad, that thing with the long face. Are you sure it's not going to come to get me? Are you sure it's not real ghost face was there for him.
Sonny00:24:10You should have told them that don't worry ghost face. Isn't coming into the house unless, as long as you don't step on the cardboard pieces, then ghost face will come for you.
JVL00:24:22So I was, I was pissed off about that.
Sonny00:24:26I don't blame you. I mean, I don't blame you. It's funny. It's interesting. You know, at the draft house, that's where I go see all my movies. Now I go to the draft house and it's the same, um, it's the same basic package of trailers before most every movie. They, they, they vary it somewhat. You know, if you're, if you're there to see, but when I went to go see magic Mike's last dance and it was more rom-com type stuff. Right. Um, but usually I'm good there to see an action movie or a superhero. A movie or something. And it's the same, the same basic trailers, but when they, when they have a kid's movie, it's kids trailers.
JVL00:24:58Yeah.
Sonny00:24:58But like for, but this is not, I mean, it's not a kid's movie.
JVL00:25:02It's not quite a kid's movie, but it's kind of a kid's movie, right?
Sonny00:25:06It's a, it's a noon showing of a PG 13 MCU movie. I agree that like, it's, it's, that's, that's not, that's bad thinking. That's bad thinking.
JVL00:25:15All right. So I'm not, I'm not a crazy person here anyway. So I went back and saw it last night and I know you guys, I don't want to spoil anything for the show here. You guys seemed a little down on this film, but I'm guessing that neither of you saw it in IMAX 3D, which is what I saw it in because that was the time. The only time I could make was an IMAX 3D showing. And I, I really, I really feel like I've seen it in the way that the, the artists behind this film intended it to be seen. Sonny, you want to give us a big boy review?
Sonny00:25:48I want to hear it. No, I want to hear the big boy review of Ant-Man and the Wasp in IMAX 3D because you saw it as God intended. God and James Cameron intended.
JVL00:25:55Ant-Man and the Wasp, Fantamania, tells the story of Ant-Man who is now post-blip written himself a book and he goes to readings of his book at local bookstores and Scott Lang is just, he's happy, he's go lucky, but maybe he's lost his edge because his daughter is all grown up now and is in prime Mattis territory and she cares about homelessness and doing things and she's got her own suit and she gets thrown in jail and she's been monkeying with the quantum realm and then all of a sudden the entire family, Michelle Pfeiffer and Mike Douglas, not Mike Douglas, Michael Douglas and Scott Lang, they all get sucked into the quantum realm and while they're in the quantum realm, they have to go see Murray and it all looks like that terrible Disney animated movie from three months ago, Strange World. It looks so much like Strange World that it's uncanny, almost like they shared design directors or something and they have adventures and they meet Kang the Conqueror, who is Thanos for what is this, phase four, phase five?
Sonny00:27:22For the record, Black Panther, Wakanda Forever was the end of phase four, we're now into phase five.
JVL00:27:28Yeah, I really felt like that was a bookend. I really felt like Wakanda Forever bookended that phase, really it's a nice clean demarcation for, and so this is, we've got Avengers, the Kang empire coming and then another Avengers something or, and this is, they're going to make Kang happen and we have now. Now gone from a place where like Marvel has gone from being a place where we had well defined characters with stakes and arcs, uh, fighting for things which are important to them in recognizable settings to, to, to sci-fi and space opera, cowboy schlock with guardians of the galaxy to magic. And once you have magic, there are no rules. And now we've gone past magic into, uh, quantum realm multiverses in, in now we have timelines and time travel and alternate, and the whole thing feels like it is in the process of collapsing in on itself to the point where I cannot imagine why anybody anywhere in the world will care.
Sonny00:28:52I have a question.
JVL00:28:52Here ends my review.
Sonny00:28:53Okay. So here's, here's my question for you. And I, we talked about it on the show a little bit, but did you watch all of Loki? Did you watch the whole show? We watched, we watched some of the episodes.
JVL00:29:02No, we, I watched like half of it and I, I eventually tapped out cause we got Kang played by Jonathan. Yeah. Jonathan Majors. Jonathan Majors. No relation to Lee Majors, uh, who is Jonathan Majors, I guess is like the new Josh Harknett. He's just in everything. He's in Creed three. He's in this, he's like Hollywood. I'm excited that he's going to happen.
Sonny00:29:24Well, he's in an art house weightlifting movie, uh, like a bodybuilding movie that got picked up at Sundance for a lot of money. He's he's everywhere. He was in that movie devotion that came out. It was like a knockoff top gun Maverick.
JVL00:29:36Yeah. Uh, with the guy from Glenn, with Glenn Powell and Paul from top gun Maverick. And uh, and I feel like he, there's another movies in coming up, uh, and we first saw him in that sort of blaxploitation Western, um, that he was the lead in like a year and a half. The harder they fall. The harder they fall. Yeah. Anyway, and he's in this and I get the sense he's a very nice actor. Uh, but this role gives him, he is not interesting in this role.
Sonny00:30:05Explain to me JBL, explain to me what exactly Kang is doing.
JVL00:30:09Yes. So K Kang, whose powers are that even wasn't on some, then sometimes you can shoot them and jump, jump, jump, uh, and he can, he can travel to two different times. Timelines in different multiverses in different universe, and he could just destroy them. He destroys all of the things, uh, with all of his destroy power, because sometimes he has the power. It's blue. Well, when he's not doing telekinesis and moving things with his mind, then he's shooting blue bolts, which disintegrate people out of his hands and also. Making energy discs like magneto and look, I don't know what's going on with the MCU version of Kang. I know that in the Marvel Kang cannon, he has no powers. He's he's just a humanoid who has access to 40th century technology. And it's his ability to jump time streams, which allows him to get like super suits. He's basically, basically he's time travel doctor. But not as interesting.
Sonny00:31:16Yeah. Yeah. That's about right. Uh, well, technically it's the same thing here. So in it, at the end of Loki. Yeah. They introduce Kang. They, I don't, they don't call him Kang. I don't think they don't call him Kang, the conqueror. Certainly they just, he's just, he's, but he is Kang. Um, and he is a, he's a, he's a guy who has unified all of the timelines. There's only one timeline because of him. He's he's kept everything from branching off. He's he's, he's compressed it all down from like one, one timeline. And they kill him at the end of that, that show, they kill him, which in turn creates chaos. Okay.
JVL00:31:53It's a splintering timeline. Loki kills him. They is, they is the two Lokis.
Sonny00:31:56They is Tom Hiddleston, Tom Hiddleston, Loki, and lady Loki. Okay. Mike Warren is shaking his head. I didn't watch this. He's so angry at all this nerd shit.
Mike00:32:04I just don't even, I go, go, I have thoughts. What is their ERA plus? I have thoughts. I have thoughts later, but you go ahead super nerds. And I will share my thoughts later.
Sonny00:32:14Go ahead. So anyway, but in, in, in Loki, they kind of explain what he, what his purpose is, what he's doing and what happens when he is eliminated. The creation of that Kang creates all the other Kangs basically is my once we saw at
Mike00:32:26the end of what they're doing in the stinger.
Sonny00:32:29But if right, but if you, if you haven't watched all that, if you haven't watched that eight hours of television, I don't understand how you could possibly understand what's happening in this movie. I, I just, I literally don't, I, none of it, none of it is set up in a compelling way at all. Um, and that's, that's really the big problem with this movie is that it is, it has one job. It really only has one job it's, and that's not to service the character of ant man or his family. Um, it's not to look good certainly cause this movie looks like complete ass. Um, and it is, it's not even really to like be an entertaining action thriller type movie. It is to introduce mass audiences to Kang who is the Thanos as a JBL says of this cycle of Marvel movies and it fails at that. I think, I think it like objectively fails. It what, what it needs to do here. Uh, and as a result, it's just, it's a failure on basically every level. Now I didn't hate this movie. I didn't hate this movie cause I have done the homework so I kind of knew what was going on. I understood it. Um, it has a lot of it. I like, I like all of the actors and actresses in this movie. I like all of the performances in this movie. We didn't even really talk about Bill Murray very much.
JVL00:33:42Can I interrupt you here for one moment to say a word on behalf of Evangeline Lilly? Because Evangeline Lilly is treated. As an actor by this script as poorly as any semi leading actor anywhere in the history of the Marvel cinematic universe. She is given nothing zero for the full two hours and 15 minutes. She's basically a spear character and she is an above the line talent. She's a main character in this certainly a main character within the Ant-Man franchise. And she is given zero to do, or even say she's got like seven lines of dialogue in the whole movie. The movie.
Guest00:34:23It's Ant-Man and the Wasp. She's in the title of the movie.
JVL00:34:25She's in the title of the movie. I felt like I could see her soul dying a little bit in every scene just as an actress. And I made me upset for her.
Sonny00:34:34Well, the problem, the problem with this movie, one of the problems with this movie, one of the many problems with this movie is that you have essentially four lead five lead characters. You have five competing lead characters. You have Scott Lang. You have Scott Lang's daughter, um, which is like where the real emotional core of the movie is. And then you have, uh, Henry Pym and Janet Van Dyne, right. Or I don't know what the, you have Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer, um, who have like another relationship of their own. That is like an interesting kind of competing thing. And then you got Evangeline Lilly, who's just there sitting in the middle of it.
JVL00:35:09Yeah. She's given less to do than Modoc is just as a, as a matter of character development and growth. She is given less than Modoc by this script.
Sonny00:35:18I have so many thoughts on this, but we got to kick it to Mike Warren here.
Mike00:35:22Who did Mike, who is the only non nerd I'm a nerd, but not the Marvel comics nerd.
Sonny00:35:28So I'm coming in a little cold, Mike, Mike, I want you to, I want you to use your linguistic powers, your powers as a writer to describe what Modoc looks like.
Mike00:35:43He's a big head. I mean, I don't know what else to say. He looks, it's like, it is like taking one of those. It's like putting a face on a cube and then like scrunching it up and then sticking them like some chicken legs, like I don't, I did not know what, like I burst out laughing when I saw it, which I think is what the movie wants you to do. But like, mostly because I didn't know if it was like a joke that, that they was like made intentionally to look like dog shit. But I, I have, then I realized, no, this is like a character and they're trying to like, like make him. Like, I guess this is a character in the Marvel comics.
JVL00:36:24Do you not remember the Modoc TV series?
Sonny00:36:27No, we did an episode on this show, the robot chicken guys, I can't, they did.
JVL00:36:33And they did it as a, as a sitcom where Modoc is, it's a family sitcom and the whole thing is done purely as a like 22 minute situation comedy where Modoc is the main character. And it was delightful.
Mike00:36:47I should watch that then I'd rather watch that than, than this garbage movie can hold on. So, okay. I, but I have to share, I have to share a thought. So first of all, I was texting you guys while I was watching, waiting for the movie to start the, the Tim and Eric connection to the Ant-Man franchise and MCU. So at the Alamo draft house, they, they play the, the sort of pre-show show and they've got, uh, Paul Rudd's, uh, performance on the Tim and Eric awesome show. Great job where he's like cellar man and he's like typing and dancing. Uh, and then like a little featurette with, um, uh, with, uh, uh, Greg Turkington from uh, on what at the cinema on the cinema at the cinema, uh, that was by far the things that I have. One thing I have seen the little Paul Rudd sketch, like a thousand times, cuz it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. And then an extension of this like weird adult swim TV show. That was like the peak of my enjoyment for like the next two hours, because the rest of it was just so, so not that had none of that kind of, uh, which I think the first two Ant-Man movies did have that kind of like, uh, looseness lightness. It was, you know, funny, like this movie was, that's a great word. Loose is exactly the right word for the, yes, they were loose. Well, so I did, I did do a little research, uh, and I actually found this out because I was, I, I got an indication even before. I saw the movie that it was not going to be good because Paul Rudd has been doing. A ton of like podcast promotion, uh, for this movie. Um, and he was on the, uh, he was on a podcast that I listened to. And so I thought, well, like if, if, if they're sending Paul Rudd out to like pitch this movie, um, and, and make these appearances on, on these podcasts, like it must be garbage. But Rudd said something, which was that they were the, the, the, the hosts were talking to him about this, about the Ant-Man movies and said, you know, um, and of course you wrote them and he said, I didn't write this one. I didn't have a writing credit on, on this new one. And that I think is the like answer to like, why? So I went back and looked. So the first one is what Edgar Wright wrote it, um, uh, and then with, with Paul Rudd and Adam McKay wrote, wrote the first Ant-Man, uh, the second one was.
Sonny00:39:11Didn't Adam McKay come in and direct it too? No, no, no.
Mike00:39:13That was because Peyton, Peyton, Peyton Reed did it as well. Yeah. Um, directed all of them. Um, I don't think the problem is, is Peyton Reed. Um, and then the second one, which I liked. Actually, Ant-Man and the wasp, uh, was, uh, Chris McKenna, your, your buddy, Sonny, um, who wrote that with, um, uh, with also Paul Rudd and this one, uh, no dice. I don't even know the guy who wrote it, but no, no. Yeah. Let me tell you who really wrote it. Kevin. Yeah, exactly.
JVL00:39:40This clearly has executive. And this is the first time that I've ever thought, geez, Feige stayed too long. He should have moved on up to whatever he was going to next before phase five of Marvel. Cause phase four sucked. But phase five is going to be dog shit.
Sonny00:39:55Yeah. Well, I mean, this is, so this is the problem with these, this movie compared to the previous two, right? Is that first two movies are essentially self-contained adventures dealing with Ant-Man and his family. And he's, it's trying to, you know, we have like actual stakes for Ant-Man and he wants to get his life together. He wants to get back with his daughter. Um, and again, the second one self-contained there it's, it's, it's dealing with him and his family. So they're, they're, it's kind of funny and silly.
Mike00:40:24And they make a comment, they make a comment in that second one about how this is, this happens in the midst of the, uh, of the end game or the whatever, whatever it was, the end game. And, and the one before that infinity war, like that, this was like apart from, from those movies. I mean, it really like made it like made the, made that point like in the text of the movie itself. Uh, this stands alone.
Sonny00:40:47Yeah. Well, it came out, it came out, I think it came out after. Uh, it came out after infinity war, but before end game, but it, but like the, remember the end of that movie is them getting blipped away and him getting stuck in the, in the quantum realm. Um, but the, uh, no, like it, like it's connected in the sense that like, people will be like, you're an Avenger. Yes. I'm an Avenger. And, but that that's, and that's all it needed to be. But this one instead is like, again, it's, it's trying to set up this whole Kang thing, which just, they don't do well, they do it poorly.
Mike00:41:22They do it very poorly. Is he supposed to be scary or, or like it threatening? Like I, I don't know what to feel about him. I mean, but he's boring. I mean, like even like the, the, the like threatening lines, he, he sort of like says in this very monotonous, like, like nothing, like, I mean, again, like I could not get away from the feeling that, okay, they, here they are at, I don't know, were they in Atlanta? Were they in London? Wherever they were filming this, it's like, they're just on a soundstage and they're just talking. It sucks.
Sonny00:41:53Well, this is, I mean, this, this whole, this whole movie, the unreality of this movie isn't tied entirely to the fact that there are no, there, there basically are zero scenes that take place in anything approximating the real world. I mean, just like watching, like at a certain point in the film, I was just watching, um, the characters walk on the ground because I wanted to see how their feet, I wanted to see how their feet interacted with the floor and it looked like shit every single time. It, like, it just looked like they were walking in on mushy ground is the best way I can describe it. Like it just, it didn't, it didn't look right. It didn't look like it was real or good. And, and this movie, it, it does such weird things like for instance, uh, you know, Bill Murray's in this movie for like three minutes, Bill Murray's in this movie for three minutes and he is, he is as charming as he always is, he's mailing it in, I feel like less than usual than less, less than might usually be expected for, for Bill Murray in a, in a movie of this sort. But the character serves literally no purpose other than pure expository. We're gonna, we gotta get from one scene to the next scene.
JVL00:43:07He's Lando Calrissian. Never shows up again. If Lando had never shown up again in Star Wars.
Sonny00:43:11Yeah.
JVL00:43:12Right. Like imagine we're at the banquet and the doors open and Vader is there and the, we flash to right. Leia is in jail and Han is being tortured and that's it. And we just never see him. We never see Lando again. After that. Yeah. That's uh, the, I, the, the other big problem is that it fails to establish the character of Kang as heavy. Yes. Which is the success of Thanos as a character is, is that Thanos is, is kept off screen for the longest time, right? For movies and movies and movies, he's just off screen. And when we finally get him, it's in dribs and drabs. And instead of getting him, we get his like four horsemen or his five horsemen in the beginning of infinity war. And those characters who we have never met before proceed to keep the living shit out of all the heroes, which establishes that if, if his henchmen can do this to them, then holy fuck, Thanos must be the, the baddest bad-ass of them all. Right. And. And you have to, this is, you know, wrestling understands this. You have to establish a villain is heavy before they are an effective villain. And this you, the guy who's gonna anchor your entire phase five is taken out by a bunch of ants. Yeah. What?
Sonny00:44:38Yeah. And ant man. Well, no, this is, I, this is the other thing I, I, I mentioned to somebody, I don't think I actually wrote my review cuz I didn't wanna spoil it, but like Kang has now been introduced twice to audiences and in both of these, he has been killed. Dispatched with ease, um, in both of these, in both of these things. And I like, I guess the, I guess like the theory of Kang as a super enormous threat is that there's a million of them in the council of Kangs, right? Like there's, there are tons and tons of Kang, but like, oh, Mike, you're gonna block out.
Mike00:45:13No, there was this moment. There's this moment in the movie, like near the end when Michelle Pfeiffer says it's over and Kang responds. It's never over. And that's how I feel about all this. Like you, it's never over you. There's another TV show you have to watch or another like, you know, Wikipedia page you have to read through to understand what happened. It drive. It was driving me insane.
JVL00:45:40Were either of you confused by the level of heavy handedness in the final minute and a half in which Paul Rudd says like five different things. Five different times. You know, at least at least the one I killed was the bad one. You know, it's not the case that if he was the good one, if I just let him go. I mean, obviously, that's where this is all headed. And to have that be said once would have been a little heavy handed, but to have him say it as many times as he does in the course of 45 seconds, I just thought, what is happening
Sonny00:46:17here? I thought that was at least an effort to get back to the kind of funny meta. Original idea of the first couple films. It's at least it's like a wink at the audience, I guess.
JVL00:46:28But can't you wait to them once and if you keep winking, then it almost is like the script thinks the audience doesn't understand. We got to make sure they really understand that we're setting him up for the he's our villain. Right. You can't just make them wait till the singer. Yeah. Which is what the other I guess.
Sonny00:46:45I don't get also Jonathan Majors is Jonathan Majors a good actor again.
JVL00:46:50I assume he is. I assume he's a fine actor that he is not Josh Hartnett.
Sonny00:46:55But he's pretty good.
JVL00:46:56He's pretty good because he's like the script doesn't help him.
Sonny00:46:59No. Well, he's given a. It's a garbage.
JVL00:47:02Totally. And his choices, though, vacillate between, you know, one. Sometimes he's sort of quiet Kang. Sometimes he's screaming Kang something like is he is he insane? Is he not? I mean, there are moments when he looks as if he's playing Kang like Kang isn't is a mental patient.
Mike00:47:19Right. And sometimes he's like Thanos. There's two. Right. Like, I'm all powerful. Right. Here's my fist. Yeah. I don't know. It's there was a blankness to I don't know if Jonathan Majors is a good or bad actor, but there's a blankness to his to his performance that that I guess that's I guess that's what he does. Right. Like, he just is trying to figure out who is this character because they doesn't seem to be getting any direction. I don't know. Or nothing for the script. Can I say one other thing about I mean, one thing I actually was. I was like into at the beginning of this movie, and I thought if they had gone in this direction, it probably would not have served the Kevin Feige MCU like purpose of this movie. But this whole idea of like discovering the quantum realm is this populated place where this is whole like parallel civilization and all of this like Star Wars, but I mean, like I was I was I was buying it. I was picking it up. I was like, OK, I want to see more of this origin, whatever. And then it just devolves into this like this, you know, revolution of the people against the distant out of touch rulers. And we've got to. And it's like, you know, like, I don't care about any of these people because I don't know where they are. Like, who are they? How did they get here? What's like what's going on like that? That just seemed it just got so cliche so quickly.
Sonny00:48:46And to your point, maybe most maybe maybe most people are happier under King. Your point. We don't we don't really see the can't really see the rest.
JVL00:48:55Say what you will about him, but he respects financial property rights.
Sonny00:48:57You know what? King, you know what? King does. He brought order to the quantum realm. He brought law and he brought order.
JVL00:49:04I will say this. The only period in which the movie had me with it was when Scott and his jailbait daughter are brought are originally captured and brought to the whatever this outpost. Of Star Wars bar creatures are, and we get Chidi from the good place as a, a mentat, right? And, and the, the, we get sort of the interesting creature with the holes and the, they drink
Sonny00:49:37the holes. Well, he doesn't have holes.
JVL00:49:39He doesn't have. Anyway, the, the point is like that was four minutes or so of the movie where I, I, I was with it there. Right. It was that sort of felt loose. It felt like an ant man movie.
Sonny00:49:51Yes.
JVL00:49:52Yes. Yeah.
Sonny00:49:54Uh, it was pleasingly silly.
JVL00:49:55It was pleasingly silly. And then that silliness just went away for, for long stretches and became this deadly earnest, like almost like an avatar as yes. You know, epic, we are making an epic about the fight for this civilization and we are going to be the brave heart and Siri and I, well, and, and, and Scott's daughter, like,
Mike00:50:19like all of a sudden a lot, like I, I just, I, I didn't buy it. I, I just didn't buy this. Like now she is, you know, I guess she's a do-gooder up in the, in, in our world. So she must be a do-gooder in the, in the quantum realm. I just, it, it, no establishing.
Sonny00:50:33I would've, I would've given this, I would've given this movie two thumbs up if it had started with her talking about how she got arrested because she turned into giant girl and cleaned out the homeless in Canada.
?00:50:43Yes.
Mike00:50:44A hero for our time.
JVL00:50:49It, uh, it's not.
Mike00:50:51It's not good.
JVL00:50:52Can I, the other, the other thing I will say, and this is not fair, but this is the first all CGI movie I have seen since avatar. Avatar is still in theaters.
Sonny00:51:08Yeah.
JVL00:51:10The, the difference in, in visual quality between this and that, and I understand it's not maybe entirely fair to compare the two. It's not fair. Well, it's not fair because. James Cameron. Disney properties and.
Sonny00:51:23Look, James Cameron spent five years making that movie like it's, it, it isn't fair for a bunch of reasons. Um, but, uh, it's still, it's, it is factually correct to say that anybody who worked on ant man and also black Panther Wakanda forever, um, and, and is forced to have their movie in the theaters as the same time as avatar, the way of water. They should feel embarrassed because the movie, the, the, the, the visual quality. And the movies is, is so disparate and the distance between them is so jarring that I like, I, I, I, again, I'm sorry, like you, you have black Panther Wakanda forever, which is set in this like underwater civilization with like blue skinned people fighting. And it looks like, it looks, it looks like something that a child made on their Macintosh laptop in their garage compared to avatar, the way of water. And the same with this. I mean, again, there was a story. Uh, you know, somebody was complaining on background that, you know, we, we lost a bunch of our, uh, on Ant-Man and the last quantum quantum mania, somebody from quantum mania was complaining. Like we lost a bunch of our effects guys who were rushed over to work on Wakanda forever. So we didn't have the resources we need to finish. And I'm like, well, they didn't work there either. Like both of these movies look like total fucking shit. They both look like complete, complete garbage.
JVL00:52:44I think Ant-Man looks better than Wakanda forever did. It looks if you, if you forced me to rank them. I think this looks better.
Sonny00:52:53Uh, I, I think, I think Wakanda forever looked like all of the underwater scenes were basically again, I saw Wakanda forever in, so I saw Wakanda forever in IMAX two D not three D, but IMAX. Um, and I do wonder if seeing Ant-Man, uh, and the wasp quantum mania in IMAX three D would have been better. Cause it at least would have been kind of brighter and sharper than, you know, I saw it at my draft house, which is fine, but like, I'm sure the IMAX experiences did quite well.
JVL00:53:20Right.
Sonny00:53:21Yeah. That's it. Fine. These movie, I mean, this movie made more than the one for it.
JVL00:53:25And the one before that was really low for it though, which is, yeah, it got a B from
Sonny00:53:30cinema score audiences, which is the equivalent of a D I mean, Eternals also got a B I wonder.
JVL00:53:36So I wonder if any of the Marvel movies start to pay a price for the sins of their predecessors and Marvels is coming out, who's excited for Marvels.
Sonny00:53:48They also pushed that one back by four months. Oh, they did again. I think.
JVL00:53:51Yeah. I thought that was supposed to be coming out soon.
Sonny00:53:53No. Well, it was supposed to come out in July and they pushed it back to November.
Mike00:53:58Because it's so good. Is that the one with the. Well, I'm sure because it's so good. Is that the one with the vaginas on the poster?
?00:54:02Okay.
Mike00:54:03Yes. Thank you. That's that.
Sonny00:54:06Now, now, now. That's not how we refer to. That's not how we refer to female superheroes on the show.
Mike00:54:11No, there's actual, no, no, no there's actual shapes. It looks like, well, okay, sorry.
JVL00:54:17I don't know what you're talking about. The poster I saw. What is, what is going on there? I don't know. You haven't seen the poster? Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel and another Marvel. Somebody. There's.
Sonny00:54:29I don't know. The lady from WandaVision. Another, another movie that you will like, will not understand if you haven't watched. Oh, that's right. From WandaVision. And also Ms. Marvel.
Mike00:54:37Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at the poster. There are some, there's some Lotus shaped lights on it.
Sonny00:54:43Okay. That. All right. Well.
?00:54:47Those are, those are the actresses.
Mike00:54:48Well, it's been nice being the co-host on this show. Yeah. It was a good run.
Sonny00:54:53It was a good run, Mike.
JVL00:54:54It was a great three weeks.
Sonny00:54:55That's good. All right. I'm sure it's fine. No, we're not gonna stop. We can't stop.
?00:55:00Okay.
Sonny00:55:01All right. Well, that's, I mean, that's, do you guys have any other thoughts? No. The only other thought I have. How bad, how bad is this?
JVL00:55:06So if we were, if we're gonna rank the terrible Marvel movies, I think this is, I think it's not as bad as the Eternals. I think. I think it's half a rung higher than the Eternals.
Sonny00:55:26It's, it's, it's in the bottom tier with Eternals. It's more like.
JVL00:55:30Iron Man 2.
Sonny00:55:31Iron Man 2 or Thor Dark World, which were both movies again, that tried to do too much setting up of the rest of everything that was happening in the Marvel cinematic universe at the time. Yeah. Like those, those movies have the same problem that this movie has, which is that they, they're trying to do too much world building outside of what the confines of this specific movie call for. Um, and that's a problem.
JVL00:55:54Wow.
Sonny00:55:55Yeah.
JVL00:55:56Yeah.
Sonny00:55:57Well, what, what, I'm sorry, one more thing, MODOK, my, my issue with MODOK is that it looks like they, they it's, it looks like they Photoshopped a face onto, it looks like they Photoshopped a face and a lower resolution onto like a full resolution, uh, image of his like, you know, chassis or whatever. That's what it looked like. I mean, it just looks so bad and stretched out and terrible. I hated it so much. I was angry.
Mike00:56:21When that, when I saw that, I didn't even realize it was supposed to be Corey's like, it doesn't look like Corey stall, right? The, the, the actor who played, I thought it was somebody else. I thought they had like, you know, they couldn't get it like sort of, um, uh, didn't the red skull. They couldn't get Hugo weaving.
Sonny00:56:35Corey stall was too busy.
Mike00:56:36Exactly. Right. No.
?00:56:39I was just like, what is this?
Sonny00:56:40What am I looking at? Anyway. Wow.
JVL00:56:43All right. That's all the time we're giving the show today.
Sonny00:56:46Yeah. Take us home.
JVL00:56:48JBL. That's all the time we're giving to this show today. Uh, be sure to like us on the Patriot and we're going to start putting this stuff back on iTunes and all of the things we're going to have.
Sonny00:57:00We'll talk about our, we're going to have a bonus episode. We'll talk about that in the outtakes bonus episode.
JVL00:57:11We're going to do a bonus episode. Super excited for the bonus show.
Sonny00:57:13Should we give people, people a hint? Uh, what's it going to be about?
JVL00:57:16I don't remember.
Mike00:57:17What is it going to be about? It's going to be about this, uh, this, this dirt on our face.
JVL00:57:21Oh, Lenten sacrifices, but it's going to be hot content for a father Anthony and father Harrison. If they subscribe, we got, we got a couple of priests.
Mike00:57:30We're going to be really excited for this bonus show.
Sonny00:57:32All right. I'm sure it's fine.
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