#143. 'Point Break' (Netflix)
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The main event is a rewatch of Point Break (1991), newly arrived on Netflix, and it's an unabashed love-fest: Sonny, JVL, and Vic all agree the ridiculous Keanu Reeves/Patrick Swayze surfer-bank-robber movie holds up as endlessly fun, with Vic scoring it a Quadrant A-plus for plot, C-plus for duration, A for action/violence, and C for sex/nudity, and JVL turning wistful about how vibrant and alive Swayze is on screen given he's since passed away; they geek out on the surfing and skydiving stunt work, riff on the film's absurd chemical-hair-match warrant and its status as the obvious blueprint for Fast and Furious, and note it opened the same summer as, and in the shadow of, Terminator 2. Before getting there the guys open with a long round of life updates: JVL recounts being guilted into coaching his daughters' middle-school basketball team via a bait-and-switch email, complete with riffing on coaching-legend fashion (Bobby Knight's chair, Rick Pitino's suits, Jerry Tarkanian's towel); Sonny grinds through the final weeks of coaching a hapless four-year-olds' soccer team; and Vic recaps bartending his kids' school fundraiser gala before turning serious to announce that in less than 48 hours he'll be going under general anesthesia for his long-awaited "Gabriel tooth" surgery, prompting a long, funny detour into prednisone, anointing of the sick versus "last rites," and warnings not to judge any weird texts he sends post-op. They also cover the weekend box office (Halloween Ends, Smile, Amsterdam and Bros both flopping) and Sonny tells a lengthy, aggrieved story about a phone-flashlight-wielding fellow patron ruining his Alamo Drafthouse screening of Halloween Ends.
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Vic00:00:00Cody believes a 50-year storm is coming next year. A 50-year storm? What's that?
Guest00:00:05That's kind of a legend. No, it's real. It's absolutely real. Everything moves in cycles, so twice a century the ocean lets us know just how small we really are. A winter storm comes out of Antarctica tearing up the Pacific, and it sends a huge swell north 2,000 miles. And when it hits Bell's Beach, it'll turn into the biggest surf this planet has ever seen, and I will be there. So will I.
JVL00:00:33Yeah!
Guest00:00:38If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price.
Vic00:00:51Hello and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon. I'm Victor Matus along with Sonny Bunch. And Jonathan V. Last. Just a reminder, The Sub-Beacon is now available through Patreon. Go to subbeacon.com. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe. Tell your friends. And don't forget about The Sub-Beacon merchandise store at tpublic.com. The holidays are almost here. Never too early to shop. Gentlemen, how are we? JVL, what is going on?
JVL00:01:16I'm coaching another sports team.
Vic00:01:18Oh, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. But you were coaching already. Were you not or no?
JVL00:01:26Yeah. I'm coaching the cross. I mean, I'm one of the coaches of the cross-country team. So here's what happened. I feel like I was basically guilted into this. I was thinking baseball, but that was in Virginia. That was in Virginia. Yeah. And I suspect I'll wind up-- we'll get to the bad news. So last Friday, an email goes out from the kids' school saying, hey, we are in desperate need for somebody to coach the girls' seventh and eighth grade basketball team. Now, basketball is one of the things I happen to know a lot about. It's Friday afternoon. I replied. I said, so what does this actually entail? How many practices a week are we talking? What is the skill level of these kids? How many kids are there? Is it going to be like 35 kids that I have to manage? Have any of them played organized basketball before? And the response I get-- so I send this email. So they sent an email Friday morning. I respond Friday afternoon. Saturday afternoon, I get a response saying, thank you so much for agreeing to coach. So I said, whoa, hold on. I'm not agreeing to anything. I'm just trying to understand what the parameters are. And the next reply comes within like an hour. It says, oh, oh, well, you see, we have to-- the deadline for the league is this afternoon. Saturday afternoon at close of business. And if we don't have a coach signed on, then we can't have a team. Yeah, we're going to let these kids do. And so the girls won't have a team if you-- but if you just want to ask some more questions, then we can answer your questions if that's what you want to do.
Vic00:03:17Yeah, if you want to make the girls cry, that's fine.
Sonny00:03:20This is why I never volunteer for anything. This is the mugs game I have found myself in.
Vic00:03:25Yeah, exactly. Ignorance is bliss. Rather just--
JVL00:03:27So you know what? So I signed on for this purely for, you know, I don't want these girls to get screwed out of a season of basketball. And I find myself thinking about, all right, are we going to go full court pressure the entire game? Are we going to go 1-3-1 press or 1-2-2 or 2-1-2 press? What sort of pressure? Schemes are we going? What I know that I don't want to run man defense because there are there. I've seen literally every child at the school and there is not a child in the school over five foot ten. So I don't want to be running. I want to pack into a zone, but I want to alternate. I was going to say you could do a Jim Boeheim zone.
Vic00:04:12Two, three active zones, right? Active three and the active one, three, one. And I think they'll be chasing people around the court. Some flex.
JVL00:04:22So and I found myself thinking, well, I don't know. I mean, if we really. Really focusing on defense and we're just a turnover machine and we're we're like Nolan Ron. Don't know. What was his name? The the Arkansas coach Richardson. Nolan Richardson. We're going to give him 40 minutes.
Vic00:04:37A half now, 40.
JVL00:04:39Heck, I think he always said he said, maybe I'm wrong, but I think he said, heck, it was
Vic00:04:43very intense, though.
JVL00:04:44And maybe, you know, if I have to throw a chair onto the court in the middle of the game, Bobby Knight style, should I show up wearing wearing like in a full suit for game games? Like what's his face? The recently departed guy from from Villanova? Jay, right?
Vic00:05:02Oh, yeah.
JVL00:05:02Jay, right. Or white towel over the shoulder or biting the towel like Tarkanian, right? Remember tart with that? Yeah. Or Bruce Pearl. You could sweat through the jacket through the blazer. That's not a good look.
Vic00:05:15That's a lot of sweat.
JVL00:05:16So all of a sudden I on the one hand, I feel like I've been hornswoggled into this. On the other hand, I could kind of get into it.
Vic00:05:25Maybe possibility if you have the time. It's one of these things I think where I know it's a pain in the ass thinking about it. But once you're there, you're going to love it.
Sonny00:05:33I don't understand why. Why isn't why aren't like the teachers at the school? Isn't this like don't don't the teachers.
JVL00:05:40Yeah, teachers are usually the coaches. So so here's something funny. So G Money's teacher G Money's in first grade. So we meet his teacher back to school night and she is almost my height. And like, you know, whip it thin and she just everything about her looks like a basketball player. And when she's like telling us a little bit about herself, she she tells us that she is a graduate of the high school where Flash is currently and that she played basketball there and that she, you know, she scored a thousand points in her career and, you know, has her name up on the wall over there. And and so when after the you know, I went up to her and I said, hi. And I said, so when you know, when did you graduate? She graduated from high school. Do you want a guest pick?
Vic00:06:25Oh, 2018, early 2000s, 2018.
JVL00:06:32Oh, man. So so she was she was a sophomore in high school when G Money was born.
Sonny00:06:40Yeah. So she's like 22 now.
JVL00:06:43She's barely 22. But anyway, so I went to her and say and I said, hey, can you, you know, help me coach? And she's like, yeah, I'm coaching the third through seventh grade, the fourth through seventh grade team. So she's wrapped into she.
Sonny00:06:58Wait, what years are you teaching? How many are there? Seventh, eighth, seventh and how many?
JVL00:07:04But that's one team is a K-8 school. Right. And so there is one team which is like third through sixth grade. And then there's another team, which is the seventh and eighth graders. And I have the seventh and eighth grades, which if you think about it, it's really like I've got the varsity. Yes, they've got this one. But but on the other hand, like I could not you could not pay me to coach like third and fourth and fifth graders where you're teaching them. This is how you dribble a basketball. Like, I just want to get right into the strategy sets, right? Running sets, running sets, making them do push ups when they miss free throws.
Vic00:07:40Yeah, that's good. Yeah, no, it'll be great. It'll be something. You do have to think about what you're going to wear that you need to have a look. So think about that.
JVL00:07:52Yeah, right. You got to have a look. What's what's my look going to be? Maybe I'll wear my I'm sure it's fine. T-shirts to all of the the games. Wear my merch.
Sonny00:08:00Yeah, you should wear like sweaters, sweaters over your shoulders like preppy style.
JVL00:08:06Cricket sweater tied off over the shoulder. Or, you know, red sweater. Red sweater of a game. Anyway, Santino, what you got, buddy? What's going on?
Sonny00:08:14No, I don't really have anything.
JVL00:08:16I buy your team doing.
Sonny00:08:18My team is doing is doing pretty well. Actually, the kids are the kids are showing up. Kids are showing up. Parents are bringing snacks. I've got this thing down to a down to a science seven people in and seven people out. What happens is I wait for one of them to sit down. On the sidelines, and then I bring another one in. I'm like, all right, you're in. You're you're out. You're in. Let's get it. Let's let's get let's get this substitution going. No, I mean, it's it's there's two weeks left and I can't wait for it to be over and not have to do it anymore. I hate it so much.
JVL00:08:50Do they keep score?
Sonny00:08:52No, there's no score keeping.
JVL00:08:53It's just you keep score.
Sonny00:08:54Right in my head. I know exactly what the score is. I know exactly what the points for and points against are. I know. Like, I've got I've got, you know, and you tell your kids right after the games.
JVL00:09:05You say, you know what? You people lost losers.
Sonny00:09:09Well, I've got I've got a I show up at their homes and I start taking away stuffed animals until they start playing better. No, I just it's fine. It's fine. It's almost over the kids. The kids are the kids are like it's funny that some of them are very into it and some of them are very into it for like two minutes at a time. And some of them just want to sit on sidelines and get like and get freaked out immediately. So I like it's it. This is your there's no running zones or anything with these kids because they're all four years old. It's like three to four year olds. It's like they're going to, you know, if I'm lucky, I can put the ball on the ground and tell one of them to dribble toward the goal. It's funny. There are a couple of them are actually into it enough that they like fight each other for the ball when they're going toward the goal. So they're like my team is like spirit. My team is trying to steal the ball from each other and like dribble it into the goal, which I feel like that's a win for me. I feel like I've taught them the problem about you here, which is you get the ball, you put it in the goal. And if if anybody gets in your way, even if they're on your own team, you run them over.
JVL00:10:19There's no I in team, but there's one smack dab in the middle of win.
Sonny00:10:24Well, there's a there's a me in team. Don't forget about that. There is a me coach me. I don't know. It's it's it's fine. It's all fine here. I've just been running. I'm I we're taping on a Wednesday because we're all like traveling. Vic is going under the knife on Friday. So we're going to I assume I assume we're going to talk about that here in a minute. But I'm I'm like I've just been my hair has been on fire trying to get everything taken care of. But yeah. And now we're it's funny.
Vic00:10:56You talk about what you're doing in your schools. My son's school had a what they call a fall garden party, and I volunteered to do a chef tending bar, and it was great for the kids there all night. But it was exhausting for the kids.
JVL00:11:11What? No, no.
Vic00:11:11For the parents, for the parents, for the parents. Oh, it's a very progressive school bar. It's a full bar.
Sonny00:11:17Was it an actual bar with, like, liquor drinks?
Vic00:11:19Yeah. You know, it's like tents, right? Tents. And then inside explain the setup.
Sonny00:11:24But I know when you said, like, fall garden party, I assume like the kids were just like,
Vic00:11:29you know, no kids, just parents.
Sonny00:11:31Is it like is it like a school fundraiser, like an auction? What is it?
Vic00:11:34Yeah, it's like a school fundraiser. And you get a chance to meet the teachers and faculty. It's a mixer. And then you could sponsor teachers and stuff like that. But then you sponsor them.
Sonny00:11:45How to do what?
Vic00:11:46You know, like tickets to the dinner, you know? And then, yes, ostensibly party with the teachers.
JVL00:11:52What was that key party with the teachers? Is that what I'm getting?
Vic00:11:55Ostensibly, it's just tickets.
JVL00:11:57Got a bunch of 2017 high school grads. It really depends. You know, as your teachers.
Vic00:12:01No, no. And so we but they have, you know, like a tent in there on the school's campus and they're in their courtyard and stuff. And then they have food and everything else. But they have a bar. No vermouth. But that would open up a whole other slew of problems, I think, because then people will start asking for making martinis, Manhattan's old things like that. So but you have it was beer. Wine and liquor. So it's what kind of liquor? Oh, we had vodka, gin.
Sonny00:12:31No, I said what I said. I didn't say what I meant. I meant what what brands of.
Vic00:12:36Oh, let's see. Johnny Walker Black.
Sonny00:12:40Oh, look at that.
Vic00:12:41Yeah. Last had a nice Glenn Fittich. And then they had Tito's Vodka and things like that. So it was good. And whatever the rum was, it's funny.
Sonny00:12:53We've discussed this before. But once upon a time, I remember Johnny Walker Black being like, this is the good stuff.
JVL00:12:59It is the good stuff.
Sonny00:13:00And yet when I'm rich, when I am rich, this is what I will drink every day. Yeah. And now it's like, yeah, that's a nice, like, lower mid.
Vic00:13:07I would say the most popular request at the bar was Makers, you know. But again, that's like a standard. Makers used to be for special occasions. That's the same thing.
Sonny00:13:17What? No, it's funny. Again, we're repeating all of our conversations. Yeah, we do. But like I when I was in college, it was like, like you had like Jim Beam, you had like handles of like the rock got Bowman bourbon, not even bourbon, like probably whiskey and sat long enough. But like and then you'd have Jim Beam, which is like they're kind of standard. And then if you were in a if you were in a fancy mood, it was either Makers or Knob Creek.
Vic00:13:43Remember, you know, Knob Creek, Knob Creek had that very waxy cap.
Sonny00:13:48No, that's Makers.
Vic00:13:49Makers. No, no, no, Makers. No, Makers has the red cap. Knob Creek had a black waxy cap. Oh, that's right. That's right. A little annoying. That one was.
JVL00:13:58But anyway, so Vic, were you I was like Tom Cruise and cocktail. I was flipping the bottle.
Vic00:14:03I wanted to. I wanted to flip the bottle. But then I thought in case I missed it, I'd look like an ass. But there are sort of basics I know about movements about like, you know, I mean, you know what, you just have to mind your own space. And I did this last year as well. So I pretty much had the hang of it. And I know just basic, you know, bar bar etiquette. Um, you know, like, for example, with ice, I mean, they have scoopers. You never want to put the glass. You don't want to scoop the ice with your glass because in case that in case the chips are breaks and you got to what they call burn the ice. Oh, right. You can't tell. Never want to do that. You know, open the club sodas very gingerly. I can't tell you how many times you see people do that and it just explodes everywhere. Club soda will always explode. You have to do it slow. And then just generally I can eyeball the you know, you're making mostly high balls. So like scotch and sodas. Rum and cokes, things of that nature. And sometimes somebody, you know, so I would lady would like something, you know, sweet and say, can you make me something? What do you what can you make me? And I'm like, you know, fine. I can do a Cape Cod or a stick a little bit, a little bit. And I mean, oh, you just pouring and moving them on.
JVL00:15:12Or were you was it a show?
Vic00:15:15Oh, I'm friendly. It's busy. It's very busy, you know, because it comes in, but it comes in waves. And as soon as and it was funny, I ended up doing the shift with another guy who happened to be the same guy from last year that I worked with another dad, which is like, oh, it's you again. But they come in waves. It just all of a sudden everybody's there. Only I think one time a guy reached over to help himself, which really you should slap
Sonny00:15:43his hand.
Vic00:15:44Yeah. I mean, yeah, I get it. I get it. It's there and you're not going to be crazy. But at the same time, I mean, there's a divide, you know, just asking again.
Sonny00:15:52Well, that's just a lack of respect for you. For me.
Vic00:15:54Yeah.
Sonny00:15:55I mean, that's a that's a personal affront to you.
Vic00:15:57Especially me. Especially me.
Sonny00:15:59I have a question. Was this was it wasn't a cash bar then? It was just. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Vic00:16:04It's just I'm just jumping in. Tips. Were you tipped? No, no, no tips. No tips. I don't know.
Sonny00:16:12Did you turn around the iPad?
Vic00:16:15You're like, yes, I said, it's going to ask you a couple of questions, a couple of questions and just ask a couple of questions. Okay, you're.
JVL00:16:22Okay. Well, have a nice night.
Vic00:16:27Yeah, because that's how they would react. And then if I'm not doing that, if it's whenever and when it's quiet, then I'm doing bar back work, right? Start opening up stuff, making sure we have enough ice, you know, getting wine. There's like three or four different kinds. You got Merlot. There's a cab. There's, you know, just like having all the things at the ready. And then that was exhausting.
JVL00:16:48Were they all wearing the eyes wide shut masks?
Vic00:16:50Yes. How did you know? That's right. That was that was it. That was it. And Lili Sobieski was there. Just my luck anyway. But as Sonny mentioned, as you know, and maybe and some of our listeners remember in in less than 48 hours, I will be going under. Today is my last drug free day. So tomorrow I got I got I got to start with the prednisone and just like the old like the old woman and no country for old men. I'll get my prednisone.
JVL00:17:22I got to get my prednisone.
Vic00:17:23Ah, yes, I got to do that. And then and then and then stop eating.
JVL00:17:31The prednisone is a antibiotic or a steroid.
Vic00:17:34It's a steroid. It's to prevent inflammation or infection, I guess, to anticipate when it happens.
JVL00:17:40And they're going to start on antibiotics as well before or they, you know, locally.
Vic00:17:46The day of when after I come back at some point, then I take the amoxicillin. And then, of course, I have the oxy, which I'm taking now. Just in case. So I got a head start on.
Sonny00:17:55Oh, you got one. You got one in you just to be safe.
Vic00:17:58I take two. Two every hour.
Sonny00:18:00You ground it down, I assume.
Vic00:18:01That's right. Yeah. Oh, and then snort it. Yeah, that's right. So we don't have the visuals here. So doing that and then no, I'm kidding about the oxy. And and then, you know, you stop eating after early dinner and then no water until after because you can't have what they call an anointing.
JVL00:18:20What? Have you gotten your anointing?
Vic00:18:23Oh, no. But I reached out to some of our friends and priest friends to say, please remember me on Friday. I did.
JVL00:18:31You should get the anointing of the sick. Yes. Also known as last rights.
Vic00:18:36Yeah. You know what? They don't call it that anymore. Did you notice that anymore? I'm like, forget about the anointing. I need last rights. And like, oh, I just got the anointing.
JVL00:18:43They're the same. They're the same. You should. You should do that before you go in. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Sonny00:18:52Can I can. Can Father Harrison and Sherpa do it like over Zoom?
JVL00:18:56No, that's not how sacramental stuff. Things go bad. Yeah. You know what? And they can also do confession over Zoom, too.
Sonny00:19:03That's I assume you can do. Why can't you do confession?
JVL00:19:06I do confession. But then I turn the screen black.
Sonny00:19:09Why can't you?
JVL00:19:10Because I don't want them to see me.
Sonny00:19:11You you make it opaque.
JVL00:19:14Then you turn the screen around to them and say, Father, it's going to ask you a couple questions.
Sonny00:19:17Hold your hands like this.
Vic00:19:18And then and then they tell you things like for the for the more you got to get it. In two hours. So I got in really early in the morning and wear comfortable clothes, they say, because you got to change in and out of the gown and then no metal on your body. That's the other thing. So like even wedding ring, you got to take everything off.
JVL00:19:36Are they keeping you overnight? No, they're going to discharge the same day outpatient. That's good. That's very good, right? You don't want to stay over there.
Vic00:19:44Kate is going to. Kate is going to be there.
JVL00:19:47She'll bring me and then bring a bring a warm blanket.
Vic00:19:51Oh, yes, you will be. Very, very cold when they start running.
JVL00:19:55Cool. Well, no, it's because they start running solutions, right? So they're going to start running an IV of ringer solution once you're there and the IVs make you cold because their room temperature.
Vic00:20:05Yeah, not. And then they add body temp. And then they add the the propofol, the the Michael Jackson special.
Sonny00:20:13The IVs make you cold because they it's the it's, you know, devil juice.
JVL00:20:19It's just ringers. I know, I know. Anyway, but I'm serious about this, like bring a warm blanket. Yeah. And and also the other thing is, are you going to are you Virginia Hospital Center?
Vic00:20:30No, Fair Oaks, Fair Oaks.
JVL00:20:33So just when they when they hook you up, right, when they start the IV lines, you can ask for warm blankets because they they have will have like heated blankets they'll bring out that are like, you know, like like a first place, first class on an
Vic00:20:47airline when they bring you a steaming hot towel for your face. That would be OK. Good to remember. I'm more scared about, like, if when I'm under like when I'm when the drugs kick in, I just don't want to say anything or do anything inappropriate. Yes. Anything.
Sonny00:20:59It's a general, right? It's like it's general.
JVL00:21:01I'm going on.
Sonny00:21:02You're going all the way all the way under better.
JVL00:21:04That's also you'll you'll you'll you will not remember anything after. So they'll ask you to count backwards from ten and you will not remember anything past nine.
Vic00:21:14I'm ten nine. The I'm more.
Sonny00:21:17Have you ever had general? Have you ever had general?
Vic00:21:19Yes. What I had my wisdom teeth taken out. That's many. I because I had to get a general, not not Twilight, but Twilight all four at the same time and they were impacted. So they were facing this way. But what what I'm concerned about is this one triggered the Gabriel tooth.
Sonny00:21:36Did the Gabriel tooth get angry when you. Oh, when I removed it.
JVL00:21:39When the when it's brothers, when it's four brothers were removed.
Sonny00:21:42This is this is revenge. You know, he was awoken.
Vic00:21:46Captain Bill Dwyer, the sleeper. I was mentioning this Captain Bill Dwyer's lovely wife, Erin, my sister in law. Um, she was asking, is it your tooth or someone else's? That was what she was Gabriel to. It's the Gabriel to. Uh, so here's my malignant.
Sonny00:22:04Did you explain to her the plot of Malik?
Vic00:22:06No, I didn't. So here's here's my concern, and I'm glad that everyone here, whoever is listening, including people I know listening to this podcast is in the next coming days and week or weeks, you know, I'm going to be all sort of like drugged up and stuff, and even I'm going to, when I come home on Friday, if I have access to my phone, I just want to say, if I send out any emails, DMS or texts that are. Like strange off-putting or perhaps even possibly inappropriate. It's the drugs.
JVL00:22:40How anybody knows unless you're into it, unless you're into it. No, it's just the drugs. I didn't know what I was saying.
Vic00:22:46Wait a minute. Did you have your procedure? Oh no, not yet. Oh, sorry. I got, I jumped the gun.
Sonny00:22:51HR is going to frown on that. I got this on Thursday, Thursday night. Oh, I was already on the park Thursday at 8:00 PM.
Vic00:23:00They're going to remember this. So no. And so, uh, that's it for me. And then, uh, and then I'm gone. So enjoy the show. Uh, it was nice knowing you guys have a good podcast. It's going to be okay.
JVL00:23:13Yeah, it's going to be okay. How are you mentally? Are you okay? Are you ramped up? And when I'm busy, when I'm busy and doing things, I'm fine.
Vic00:23:21It's it's in those moments. Of quiet that you think, oh, fuck, this is it.
JVL00:23:26But no, I was frankly shocked at how, how your Savoir Faire, when we first started talking about this two months ago, I was, I was shocked by it. I was like, boy, that guy's got balls, the size of church bells that he's totally cool with this. And now you seem a little more like a normal person.
Vic00:23:42Cause I mean, you know, they had the EKG, which that was by the way, also very interesting
Sonny00:23:48because, you know, did they run the thing, the line like through your, or was it just like, uh, Uh, like topically on your chest or did they actually put the,
Vic00:23:55she was, she was a really nice nurse and she was like, yes. And she was, she was like, okay, we'll take your shirt off. Okay. Oh, lie down. Relax. Oh. And then, and then she was like, oh wait, it's not reading it. Right. Oh, I got confused. She said with the left and the right, let me switch that. Oh, let me put this one.
JVL00:24:11Work out a lot. Do you, do you like hardwoods?
Vic00:24:14Do you mind if I rest this right here? Like in the, the, the, the, she did. And, and it's like beep, beep, beep. Okay. No noises like that. But I was thinking to myself, this is great material. She was really, really, she was bubbly.
JVL00:24:29What year did she graduate from high school?
Vic00:24:32Oh, she might say she was actually a candy striper. So she, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Anyway. Uh, all I know is, you know, I will, uh, talk to you guys when all this is over. And I, at least, uh, the, the good news is, uh, Halloween is around the corner. I won't need a costume. Speaking of which over the weekend, Halloween ends. Slashed its way to the top of the box office for the frightful $40.1 million followed by smile. Both, both apply to me by the way, uh, with 12.6 million and in third place, Lyle crocodile with $7.4 million, Amsterdam plummeted. Box office thoughts.
Sonny00:25:12Yeah. Amsterdam and bros both dropping like stones. Uh, the two, the two flops of the fall so far, at least, uh, those two movies. Um, man, I like, I, I am, I am actually kind of shocked that bros is falling as hard as it did it. You know, it had an a cinema score. People say people who saw it actually seemed to like it, but like nobody wants, nobody wants to go see the gay sitcom or game rom-com. I mean, I just, that's the, that's what it is. You know, the big bigotry in this country, it will never go away, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, I, uh, Amsterdam. Yeah. Terrible. I mean, Halloween ends is interesting because, uh, it opened about 12 to $15 million under projections. People were saying it was looking like it was going to open around 55, 60, somewhere in there, which would put it below the first Halloween, uh, reboot the, the one from 2018. Uh, but a little better than Halloween kills. Uh, and there, I, there are two, I think there are two factors working in tandem here. The first being that it was day and date on Peacock. It was, people could go watch it on Peacock if they wanted to. Um, which I would say anecdotally, I heard from a ton of people who watched it on Peacock this time around who did not, uh, watch it on Peacock in, in theater. So the, the last one, Halloween kills also was day and date. It came out on Peacock and in theaters same day as well. But this was last year, fewer people had Peacock, but also people just didn't know it was coming out on, on, on in theaters and on Peacock, I would say again, anecdotally, I heard from way more people this time around who were like, I'm not gonna, why would I go see it? In theaters, if I can just watch it on Peacock. So I think that, that hurt things. But the other thing that hurt it was that people really hated Halloween kills. People really.
Vic00:27:04Oh, the one that we actually, the one that we did for the, uh, Sub-Beacon.
Sonny00:27:07Did we do it? Did we do that? Yeah, people really hated it. People really hated that movie. Um, and huh. Uh, which is interesting to me. Cause I didn't, I didn't hate it. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.
Vic00:27:17Uh, I thought it was somewhere in the middle.
Sonny00:27:19It's interesting. It's, it's an inch. All three of these movies are very interesting. They have very interesting thoughts about, you know, the nature of fear and what, how society should respond to fear. But the, but, uh, it was a total Mission Impossible three situation where Mission Impossible three got killed because Mission Impossible two was much loathed by audiences. Um, so I think that, I think that, I think those two things working in tandem, like not just being on Peacock, but being the second movie, second movie in the series in a row to open on Peacock and also being, uh, you know. Um, following a much, much hated, uh, iteration of the series. Uh, I think those, those two, those two things worked in tandem to depress the box office. All right.
JVL00:28:03That's very interesting. But all I really care about is what does Michael Myers's real face look like? And how was the reveal? How did the reveal work?
Sonny00:28:11Well, they took off the, what the, the whole thing is, I mean, cause that was the whole
JVL00:28:15thing about this, right? Is come see the one where we'll show you his face. Yeah. I mean, that was, that was William Shatner underneath.
Vic00:28:21That was. The best part.
Sonny00:28:22I mean, he just, he just looks like he's a guy who's all scarred up. I mean, it's like, it's not that interesting. Is he the same age as Jamie Lee Curtis? It was probably younger. It's probably actually younger.
JVL00:28:32Was it like, was it like an old man? Yeah. Was it like supernatural? Like Jason, like Jay, we've established that Jason is supernatural, right? Now he is. Or did he look like the guy from the Goonies?
Sonny00:28:42Jason is definitely supernatural. Freddie supernatural. Michael Myers is in a weird gray area where he's just like impossible to kill, but in this one, they chuck him. Why? I guess I, I won't spoil it in, uh, just in case anybody wants to watch.
JVL00:28:58You can watch it on Peacock for free.
Sonny00:29:01All right. Well, if you want to skip ahead, like 40 seconds, if you, if you don't want to be spoiled for Halloween, I'll give people a chance to reach for their press the button. Jamie Lee Curtis is Mike Myers. So what, what happens, what happened? No, what happens is, uh, so the whole movie is about how like the town has scared itself into being worried about Michael Myers all the time. You know, it's about the D the, the D the dangers of fear as a, as a, so what happens is they shoot him a bunch of times and they stab him and they mount his body on the hood of a car Roman triumph style and drive him through the town. So everybody can see him, you know, all dead and busted up and the whole town follows in like procession of cars to the junkyard where they ceremonially ceremonially chuck his body into an industrial shredder and all watch. Everybody watches as his, his body gets all so he's dead Halloween. Ends Michael Myers dead, not, not coming back from this one unless he truly is.
Vic00:29:56Did you stay to the end Sonny and the credits at the end scene? Was there a stinger at the very end? Like, oh, it's coming back together. Like terminator two, the metals, the metals are reforming.
Sonny00:30:07No, I didn't, I didn't stay all the way through. I didn't stay all the way through. You know why? You know why? I didn't one reason I didn't stay all the way through. I forgot to, I, I, I haven't had it. I haven't had a chance to complain about this to anyone yet. So you guys are going to hear it. You guys are gonna hear me complain about it now. I saw. This, so I went, I went to the draft house to see it because I don't watch movies day and date on TV. Like a savage. I go to a theater, like a responsible patron of the arts and I sit down and I go to the draft house. Of course I go to my local draft house and I take my seat and there, you know, there's a empty seat between me and the, the people, uh, the next people over and the movie starts and you know, everything's, everything's going okay. And the woman pulls out the menu, you know, the menu for the draft house and pulls out her phone and turns on the flip. Flashlight doesn't just like turn on the screen to like turns on her flashlight so she can see the menu. And I'm sitting there and I'm just like, they have lights underneath the table. They have, they have lights underneath the table. You could, you don't need any lights from any phones. No, no, you can just, you just do it. And I, I, I don't say anything. I, I don't even really, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't even raise the card. I don't even raise the card.
JVL00:31:13Just what B word over there has her flashlight on, sir, has the movie started already when
Vic00:31:21she's getting the menu. Oh yeah. Oh, okay. So this is not like before.
Sonny00:31:24So whatever she puts, she puts it away. I'm like, okay, fine. Whatever it is. Okay. Whatever.
JVL00:31:29Then she FaceTimes her baby and leaves the baby up for the entire movie.
Sonny00:31:33So she can talk to the baby while she's now after that, after that, like 15 minutes later, she turns the flashlight on again. And like, first off, like spins it out into the theater. It like washes out the screen and then starts looking behind her. She's like looking, she's looking in her seat. She's trying to. Find something that she's dropped. She literally, she gets up from her seat with her flashlight still on. She walks all the way around to the, to the aisle behind her. And is like looking down there and people are starting to there. People are like, turn off your fucking phone lady. And, and, and, you know, and she's like, ah, and so she goes back to her, she goes back to her chair and she's still looking around and, uh, and like, uh, anyway, she, she clearly dropped something. She clearly dropped something. And then she does the phone thing with the menu again. And eventually I turned around, I was like, you got to turn your phone off. And she was like, shut up, you shut up. And I'm like, all right, this is fucking, this is, this is, I'm just gonna watch. I'm just gonna watch the movie.
JVL00:32:36And now here's, here's, here's, why did you not invoke the whole reason to go to the Alamo is because they will deal with people like this.
Sonny00:32:43So, so here's, here's the thing. I've never actually had to do this at the Alamo though, is the thing. It's like, it's, it's such a self-selecting audience that I was. Flummoxed by it. I was like, I was, I was totally, I was totally lost. And here's my big theory. So you know how the Alamo, uh, I don't know, like a year ago, six months ago, changed their pre-show music from like the blaring warning, like do not talk or text. Keep your phone off to the, now they have that kind of jazzy, like do, do, do, do, do. Please let everybody enjoy the movie. Don't use your phone. You know, they've changed, they've changed the whole thing and it has invited chaos. They have taken. They have taken their foot off the neck of the audience and the audience is revolting. They need to crush the audience. Crush the audience.
JVL00:33:28I mean, I haven't been to an Alamo since I moved, but the last time. I mean, they always had literally movie specific. Don't talk. They would get somebody who was vaguely related to the, to the movie. And they would, you know, uh, Val Kilmer says, if you talk he'll Iceman your ass or something, you know, like, like that.
Sonny00:33:48I can't believe.
Vic00:33:50Yeah. Or that there's no usher nearby to notice all this.
Sonny00:33:53They still do. Well, this is the other thing. They don't have the people. They don't have the people wandering around as much. They have fewer staff, but like, honestly, this is a, the sort of thing where I would have been totally within my rights as an Alamo patron to put up the card, be like this, this effing C over here needs to turn her effing phone off or, you know, there's, but I didn't, I didn't because I've never had to do it before. It has just never come up. It has never come up. Not once. And I was, I was flummoxed by it.
JVL00:34:20It's your fault that this was allowed to continue.
Sonny00:34:24No, I'm a, I'm a bystander who has allowed evil to happen. I'm like one of the people of Haddonfield who allowed evil to exist. Evil needed to die that night. And we, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't take care of it.
JVL00:34:36I mean, under Texas law, you're legally allowed to shoot her for doing that in a theater. Aren't you?
Sonny00:34:40Well, I think under any law, under moral law, under God's law, I'm intrigued by the
Vic00:34:45card thing. Is it specifically a card for like usher? It's like an order card.
JVL00:34:50You take your menu card and you stick it. You don't even have to hold it up. You just stick your menu card because they're always looking for people to have their menu cards right there because that means that you're going to order. And when they come over with your menu card, you just say, hey, look, that fucking over
Vic00:35:04there, will you please just deal with her for me? And they'll, they'll do that. Sonny, how long did this go on for then? The woman looking and did she find whatever it was she dropped? It was a lifesaver, wasn't it?
Sonny00:35:15Apparently it was an air pod. She had her fucking air pods in her ears. And I was like and like the lights go on and I like look over there because I like give her that I give her like the nest and she's there. She's there. She's there with her like 17 or 18 year old daughter who is mortified, who is like mortified that her mother has done this, just like has this. She's like she has her like head is like, oh, my God. And I was like I was like, all right, I can't I'm not going to like I don't I can't make a big deal out of this and embarrass this poor girl further, but like I was. It was like it was the rudest shit I've ever seen in a in a in a draft house.
Vic00:35:55But so and sometimes, you know, you gave your I don't know, for me, sometimes I learned a lesson once about like giving the benefit of the doubt because, you know, I was I was once tempted to say something we I was watching. I was with Kate, but this is years ago and we were watching the Flags of Our Fathers, I think, or one of those movies, the Clint Eastwood movie. And there was an old man and and perhaps like a granddaughter and they were many rows ahead. But she could not stop talking. She's all sorts of arm gestures and things. And I was I was so close to saying, hey, control your granddaughter, whoever this is. And then when the lights and Kate's like, no, just just, you know, try to ignore it. It's not worth it. And the lights came on and it was clear she had like a condition. So I was like, I would have felt awful.
JVL00:36:45But in this case, also, the grandfather fought at Iwo Jima.
Vic00:36:48I was going to say, and my grandfather was actually he was one of the guys. He was one of the guys.
Sonny00:36:52He actually had a bayonet on him just in case somebody said something.
Vic00:36:56It's a good thing I didn't say anything anyway. OK, so we're not talking about Halloween, any of these things.
Sonny00:37:03No, we're not. We're not.
Vic00:37:04In fact, we're talking about a movie that that you assuming you all subscribe to Netflix and apparently many people do now a movie that just arrived on Netflix, 1991 classic Point Break. Starring Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze directed by Catherine Bigelow, which I did not know that sunny. Do we need a big boy review? How does this work?
Sonny00:37:29I don't think we do it. Well, I will give the movie a big boy review just because I will give it just to have a
JVL00:37:35locker as a young FBI agent and he finds this guy Vin Diesel who is super into cars and who may or may not be running a similar.
Sonny00:37:50So how dare you besmirch the good name of point and perhaps a little bit of perspective
Vic00:37:54to explain what this this movie nineteen ninety one.
Sonny00:37:57So yeah, so so Point Break is a I don't really I don't know exactly what genre this falls into because it's not a buddy cop movie exactly though. It does have buddy cop elements with Keanu Reeves and Gary Busey. It's like a heist element. It's not quite a heist movie either because like the principle of the film isn't the heist or totally ancillary to everything else that happens in the movie. It's it is it is a movie about it is a movie about surfing and friendship and kinship. And, you know, it's it's a very strange it's a very, very strange action film. So anyway, so Keanu Reeves stars as a hot shot FBI newcomer. He's he's he's out to the Los Angeles Bureau in the bank robbery division.
JVL00:38:45Ohio State star all American quarterback former former Johnny Utah.
Sonny00:38:50Johnny Utah, Johnny Utah. And he's got he's teaming up the crusty old Gary Busey, who is, you know, he's he's worn out. He's he's got all these theories about these these ex-presidents robbers that what's his name? Michael McGinty, what's his John C. McGinley? John C. McGinley. Thank you. John C. McGinley is he's in charge of the Bureau. He's like, I don't like your attitude, young punk or old man. And we're going to put you together and you're going to be miserable together. But it turns out they cracked the case kind of the bank robbers are, in fact, surfers, but not the first surfers they thought. Can we discuss some of the plot mechanics of this film?
JVL00:39:27Because I just want to I want to I want to I want to I just want to throw this out there.
Sonny00:39:32The the that first raid on Anthony Kiedis's gang's hideout is they get them. It's the most ridiculous warrant I've ever seen served in a film. So here's the basis of the warrant, the basis of the warrant is they match a hair from one of the crime scenes to the chemicals in somebody else's hair that they randomly grabbed off of a beach somewhere. Same beach, man, same beach, same beach.
JVL00:40:05But and they have they use the same kind of say, did you see the computer?
Sonny00:40:09They use a computer to match the chemical percentages. And some judge somewhere was like, good enough for me. OK, you can you can do it in the 90s, man, do a no knock raid on their house. Fine. That's all that's it's actually not a no knock raid. It's a knock raid.
JVL00:40:22They knock and you know, we had Republicans in office back then. You could do shit like that.
Sonny00:40:28So it's a great time that that is that's very weird. There's a whole lot of weird stuff. So Johnny Utah goes undercover with a with Patrick Swayze and his gang of surfers to learn how to learn the Tao of surfing and to figure out how to do it right. And he he he goes undercover as himself. Yes. John, he goes Johnny Utah. He doesn't have it.
Vic00:40:52He doesn't have a suit.
Sonny00:40:53No, he doesn't have a Johnny Utah FBI agent goes undercover as Johnny Utah football players.
JVL00:41:00But this makes perfect sense, right? Because we are pre-internet. That's it. I wrote it down. Internet. I said, I actually know what happened to a washed out.
Vic00:41:08Yeah, it's not like it's not like they were like, Oh, let me look into what happened to, you know, Johnny Utah's parents. Let's go to Wikipedia and see what happened.
JVL00:41:16Remember that Johnny Utah at Ohio State? Where did he go to crash?
Sonny00:41:19Oh, wait. I mean, I understand that. But still, it's like, you don't. That's not how undercover works. You can't. You're like Tom Sizemore. You get you get the haircut. You got to embed yourself. Okay.
Vic00:41:30So people are wondering Tom Sizemore. Great cameo in Point Break. Very short part. But I think he's acting in the role of Tom Sizemore.
Sonny00:41:38Yeah. Tom Sizemore as Tom Sizemore.
JVL00:41:40And Linda Hamilton in there for five seconds.
Sonny00:41:43I did not see executive produced by James Cameron.
JVL00:41:46Yeah.
Sonny00:41:48Catherine Bigelow at the time.
JVL00:41:49Did you realize that Point Break came out on the weekend after Terminator two came out?
Vic00:41:54No, I did not.
Sonny00:41:55I did not know that.
JVL00:41:56Point Break is is the it followed it. It hits week two of T2.
Vic00:42:02I assume Point Break did very well. Pretty well.
Sonny00:42:05Yeah.
JVL00:42:05It did like $50 million on an 18.
Vic00:42:07As a sort of a starring vehicle for a young Keanu Reeves, who was only two years after Bill and Ted's.
Sonny00:42:13Yeah. I mean, this is Keanu Reeves. It's before Speed, so it's before he is like a straight up action star, but it's it's after Bill and Ted and Parenthood. People kind of know who he is. He's he's it's it's it's an interesting time for his career, but it's also an interesting time for Patrick Swayze's career, because this is like this is kind of this is post Roadhouse. Post Roadhouse, post Dirty Dancing, post Ghost. I mean, this is like this is actually like the peak of his. Yeah, I think I would. I would argue that Point Break is the absolute apex peak of Patrick Swayze's career as a star. Yeah. What did he do? Everywhere after that is like kind of downhill. Yeah. Um, but, uh, but anyway, I, you know, again, he's amazing at it, though.
Vic00:42:54He's yeah, he's amazing. His acting when his acting contrasted to Keanu's at the time.
JVL00:43:00You can't take your eyes off of him, like the way he moves. Everything about him is this is you're like, this is this is Patrick Swayze. People forget that he was a movie star for a little while.
Sonny00:43:10Yeah.
Vic00:43:11A really good one.
JVL00:43:12Yeah.
Sonny00:43:12For like a solid decade. I mean, you know, 80. I mean, I guess what Red Dawn comes out in 84. Basically, like Red Dawn through through this. Like I would I would consider his like seven, eight years
Vic00:43:26beginning with even before that, with the outsiders all the way up.
Sonny00:43:32Anyway, I love this movie, even though I could spend all day just like nitpicking. This is the sort of thing that like CinemaSins, that dumb CinemaSins channel was was created to like nitpick to death. And you could do it with this, but it's it's no fun to do something like that. Lori Petty is great in this movie. I always forget how how good she is. And oh, she's fantastic. She's great. She how dare you? How dare you speak ill of Lori Petty?
Vic00:44:02It's an interesting decision to cast her versus, I don't know, some other sort of.
JVL00:44:10Why not just why not just get Ally Sheedy? Was Ally Sheedy busy? That's clearly who the part was was written for.
Vic00:44:19Okay, I had a JVL. Did you like the movie at the time? Did you never? Did you like it? Or did you always have issues? How did you feel about it? Obviously, you'd seen it before.
JVL00:44:28So I didn't see it till it came out to home video.
Vic00:44:31I never saw the same. I did not see this movie in the theater.
JVL00:44:34Well, and so this is why, though. The reason I didn't see it is because I kept going back to see T2 in the theaters. Right. And so they're at the same time.
Vic00:44:41Maybe that's why I didn't see it either. And of course, that was in the summer. That was going into as I was going into college. So then you just missed a lot of stuff.
JVL00:44:49And it you know, so it's a ridiculous movie. And if you can't have fun watching a point break, then like, I don't know what to say to you because it's it's a very fun movie and you just have to like you just have to sign off on all the ridiculousness. And if you can't, then you can't. And there's no point in talking about it. But if you can, the pleasures again, the pleasures of Patrick Swayze at this point in his career, and I really I was. Much, much more melancholy about Patrick Swayze being dead, rewatching it this time, because I haven't watched it since he passed away. No, it's the idea that this guy I mean, Keanu Reeves looks only like 20 years older than he was him. He's 30 years older than he was then, but he only looks like 20 years old. He still looks totally recognizable Keanu Reeves. And he's just gone like this guy who is unbelievably like vibrant and just this great screen presence, really great screen presence.
Vic00:45:52The how much of the surfing did they have to do? Because I'm obviously there are scenes where, you know, where they're always conveniently surfing at dusk and dawn. So you can't really get a good look at Patrick Swayze. But I imagine that Swayze and obviously Keanu, they did not do they did a little bit of their
JVL00:46:08own stuff. Not a lot. Is that right? They went to surf. Neither had ever surfed before.
Vic00:46:13I find that interesting with Keanu Reeves because some reason I thought he was from
JVL00:46:16Hawaii or something, but and he got into it, I think it still serves to this day. Okay. And sway. I mean, Swayze is because he's his background is dance dance. So his his physicality in everything he does, even in like the the fight scenes, his physicality is just fantastic. Right. And really, really fantastic. He's just great to watch on screen. Right.
Vic00:46:40I was thinking about, for example, remember the story about Sean Combs, Pete P. Diddy Puff Daddy. Remember how? They originally Oliver Stone was going to cast him in any given Sunday. Remember the story? Oh, before they went to Jamie Fox before the J Fox, but he could not throw. And, you know, and so, I mean, it's and here's a case where these guys, I mean, it would be embarrassing if they really had issues, you know, with surfing and stuff. But again, I figured, well, I mean, surfing is surfing is not like throwing.
Sonny00:47:10I mean, I think the the ability, the difficulty of finding an actor who can throw a ball is much lower than the difficulty of fighting. An actor who can, like, actually surf.
Vic00:47:20Yeah, right.
Sonny00:47:21I mean, if you I was watching the surfing scenes very closely because I was very curious to see which of them, like which scenes had obvious doubles and which didn't. And they any any any shot that is not a close up where they're clearly like three feet in the water and just getting some spray is is they're all doubles. I mean, there's not.
Vic00:47:40There's the opening scene with Bodie, who is Patrick Swayze. And it's somebody who looks like Patrick Swayze. It's not bad, but obviously it's clear. It's close, but it's a handle.
JVL00:47:49Patrick Swayze did his own jumps in this.
Vic00:47:54That's very clear, by the way. That's very apparent. Right, right. And I think they wanted to show off that aspect that it's them.
Sonny00:48:00Right. So the more interesting is the is the skydive sequences because Patrick Swayze is definitely in those sequences. I mean, like it is. It is clearly him. And I'm pretty sure Keanu Reeves is not. Yes, well, I believe that every every shot of Keanu Reeves is a very tight close up.
JVL00:48:16Yeah.
Sonny00:48:16And everything, every every medium shot is from behind. It's like above and from behind. Right. But there are a bunch of shots with Patrick Swayze where you see him just kind of flying around. And I oh, I could be so set up. Yeah, I could be wrong. But I don't think I believe he did like Keanu did a job.
JVL00:48:33Yeah, I believe Swayze did like 50 jumps for this. It's yeah. And you know what? I'm sorry. Gary Busey is hysterical. Yeah, Gary Busey. Absolutely.
Vic00:48:42Also, Gary Busey also playing himself also played the same guy from Lethal Weapon, which is always great.
JVL00:48:48It's great.
Sonny00:48:48It's great.
JVL00:48:49Gosh, I I love Gary Busey and Lethal Weapon. I'm sorry. Right.
Sonny00:48:55Because he's he's Mr. Benjamin, right?
JVL00:48:57Yeah. Yeah. But he's not as fat as he is in this, right? So Lethal Weapon must be a number of years. What year is Lethal Weapon? Because this is 91. Lethal Weapon is 86.
Vic00:49:10Lethal Weapon was before that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's only like five or six years. But, you know, puts it on.
Sonny00:49:17It's funny. Because I always thought of for years and years, I thought of Gary Busey as basically the poor man's Nick Nolte in this movie. He's like he's like the he's like the poor man.
Vic00:49:30You can see one from one for the other.
Sonny00:49:33Like you get it's it's it's like it's the same kind of role. He has the same kind of attitude. But over the years, over the years, I have, like, come to really appreciate Gary Busey in that because he is funny. He's funny and funnier in a way that Nolte maybe could do, but does not show in that sort of role. Like Nolte in that sort of role is just angry all the time. And Gary Busey is just kind of is funny. He's it's like a funny it's a good, funny turn.
JVL00:49:58There is an edge of danger in everything Gary Busey does, like because of the craziness that's behind his eyes. Right. I mean, you just in every role, you just get the sense that he could fly off the handle at any second. And and I always thought that made him really interesting as a screen presence. Right.
Vic00:50:18The intensity. I wondered when, you know, so Laurie Petty is coaching, teaching Keanu Reeves how to surf. You know, he's a quick learner, by the way. I don't know if you know this immediately.
JVL00:50:29It doesn't take long.
Vic00:50:31Yeah, it doesn't take long.
JVL00:50:31It doesn't take long to learn how to surf.
Vic00:50:33Oh, I was going to say I was going to ask you about that. But, you know, there's a whole thing where she just tells him to pop up. No, you're not doing it right. Pop up. And the first thing I thought about was Paul Rudd in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. And he makes some reference to him. He calls Jason Segel point. Break, I think, at some point. And I wondered if the scene where he's trying to teach him how to do it is he just riffing on point. Break Paul Rudd. It's funny, but I don't know. Yeah, but that is literally how you learn how to surf.
JVL00:50:59Like, you know, like you start on the beach just working on popping up on the board. And, you know, the hardest part really is figuring out a when to take off. Right. So when you know when you when you're paddling into a wave, when is it that you're going to pop up on the. On the wave, and then it's really a matter of keeping all of your weight forward on the front foot because your natural inclination when you pop up is to keep your weight on the back, the back foot. But the problem is when you do that, the board, the board is moving forward and you've got to, like, stay moving forward with the board. And the minute your weight goes backwards, then the board is going to go and it's just to leave you. You know, you then fly off the back of it. But honestly, it's the type of thing that you really it's not surfing is very, very hard. To do well. And at the big wave level, you know, it's basically impossible unless you are fully committed to it as a lifestyle. But to just be able to go out and surf like four to six foot waves, anybody could learn to do it in like a couple of weeks. It's great.
Sonny00:52:07JBL, of course, is a surfer. Yes, we have. We have a surfer in our midst. What did you make of the surf scenes in this movie as a as a person who surfs, you know,
JVL00:52:17the problem? The problem is that I am ruined by surf porn documentaries. And, you know, we now have an entire genre of doc and drones have helped with this. Right. So we have since since Point Break was filmed, we have step into liquid and there's a bunch of layered Hamilton documentaries where people are using drones and underwater like super HD cameras and the stuff you get. In documentary surfing now just blows this away in terms of effects. So, you know, if you if you go put step into liquid on, you just pick any, you know, any five minute section of it at random, it looks so much bigger and, you know, more impressive than any of these scenes did. And I kind of like that about Point Break, that it is not over the top. It's not like Blue Crush, right, which is all. And Blue Crush is almost all CGI surf girls, you know, and so they're being CGI'd into like these 25 foot waves and stuff. And and in Point Break, most of the waves are very, you know, they're not showing monster stuff. They're showing what you would get in Southern California during the summer. Right.
Vic00:53:34I would say that I also really, really like the action sequences in this. It's just refreshing to watch something yet again without any CGI. So whether it's squibs, blood squibs, yeah, and you know, the car chases and then again, the skydiving scene. And I think you're absolutely right, because when they would cut the Keanu Reeves and it would be this close up of him with his arms flings like, oh, I'm flying, you know, and it's like, this is weird.
Sonny00:53:59It was it was all very again. It's like you just have to look at the camera, the shot choices, because every single shot choice on him is like it's super tight. Yes. And the sky is like a slightly different color. And it's clearly the colors are different. It's clearly like a fan underneath him. Yeah.
Vic00:54:14Yeah. Right. He's just doing this thing.
Sonny00:54:17Also, you know, quadrants. What about the quadrants?
Vic00:54:21Oh, the quadrants did it did pretty well. OK, so plot is an A plus. It's bank robbers and they're trying to just finance their endless summer. That's a great way for Gary Busey to describe what they do. They rob half the year just so they can keep on surfing. And and and Patrick Swayze, who plays Bodhi like the Bodhi Saifa is like, you know, this philosophy of, you know, he rationalizes the bank robber, the bank robbing. They don't go to the vault. They're not. They're not greedy until strangely the end. And then and they're just using this money that belongs to, you know, the man in order to finance showing these people how to live.
Sonny00:55:00We're showing these people that there's still freedom in this.
Vic00:55:02That's that's right. Trapped in those. What do they call it? Those coffins, those steel.
JVL00:55:05I live my life a quarter mile at a time, because for those nine seconds or less, I'm really free, right? Oh, different movie. Sorry. So what is that? All right. It is about a C plus or so. I mean, it's longer than it needs to be.
Vic00:55:21Yeah. Okay. Two hours, one minute. Again, I give action violence and a again, amazing, amazing stunts on land, sea and air. Really?
Sonny00:55:29See, the seal team six movie is Victorino.
JVL00:55:33Don't disappoint me on your sex and nudity. Sex nudity is a sea. They tease you on this.
Vic00:55:37There's a great the race Tennessee because this are you going to get worse if this movie
JVL00:55:41gets made four years earlier? Oh, it's basically soft core.
Vic00:55:45No, I mean, you know, I mean, it. I don't know why this in 1987. It was very strange.
Sonny00:55:50The raid scene was so strange because the girl comes out of the shower nude. There's like a nude fight scene. How could you not?
Vic00:55:56But you have to actually hit pause because you're not actually it's very it's happening so fast. You don't actually see what's happening.
JVL00:56:02The 80s version of Point Break would have a lot of nudity.
Vic00:56:05That's right. I loved. Okay, so going back to the cast, by the way, I think it's a great cast. Again, even that little bit of Tom Sizemore, which I don't know if he what work he had done before that, but he looks like he's already been inhabiting. That role for some time when he's there with his blonde hair. And the other the other actor is the guy who is going to possibly kill the girl Rosie played by yet again, the great Lee Turgason, my wife Kate's fellow Valley Regional High School alumnus, along with Gretchen Ball. They all went to that high school together.
Sonny00:56:37And he the guy from the guy from Oz.
Vic00:56:40Yes, the guy who plays Beecher. Rose.
Sonny00:56:43Oh, that's I didn't.
Vic00:56:44And I love you, man. That guy from Wayne's World and other things. That's that's that's him. So anyway, he must have just graduated shortly after high school or college when he got that role. In any event, he was there. So that was nice to see. I have a question. I have a point break question for you. Okay, so after the botched robbery, right, so Keanu Reeves figures out that Bodie and his crew, they're the ones they're the presidents of the United States. And for listeners who haven't seen the movie, they wear president masks, and they're pretty good masks, by the way. And, and then, for whatever reason, Bodie, Patrick Swayze loses his self control and discipline and wants to rob and get the vault. And he's suddenly very cold blooded about these things. You know, he just wants the money. Like at the very end of the movie, he just leaves the other body there with the parachute just takes the money with Rosie and that's it.
Sonny00:57:37Because it's all about the rush, man.
Vic00:57:39Yeah. Okay, so here's the thing. Right before the so Johnny Utah, Keanu Reeves. He lets Patrick Swayze go, right? He's shooting him. He could have shot him, but he didn't. Now, clearly, Keanu Reeves knows who it is, even though he's wearing the Reagan mask. Patrick Swayze, obviously, at that point, knows it's Keanu Reeves, right?
Sonny00:58:00Yes. Yes.
Vic00:58:00Okay. And yet and yet the next scene is, hey, hey, man, what's going on?
Sonny00:58:07We're going to we're going to go skydiving.
Vic00:58:08We're going to go skydiving. Are they pretending that it didn't happen?
Sonny00:58:14I mean, it's what? Well, there's not a whole lot he can do at that point. He can't say no. Yeah. Hey, man.
Vic00:58:19Hey, man, would you get those cuts from or something like that? Right now?
Sonny00:58:22But they all they all know it's they know they know each other. They're all just playing, playing parts. Okay.
Vic00:58:28All right. Well, that that answers my question.
JVL00:58:31I will say when one of the things which I do kind of admire about the seat of the movie is that the idea of surf guys who travel the world looking for waves seasonally is a real thing. Yeah, endless summer. And and what a lot of those guys do is literally this. They don't rob banks, but they have like gigs that they will do just to fund. A lot of these guys make surfboards. They become surfboard makers, right? You find a guy who is a surfboard shaper and 99 times out of 100, he's just some guy who is doing it just enough, not as a business, just enough to fund his surf habit, right? He's just he's literally selling enough boards that he can spend the rest of the year traveling around. And so it is a great idea. So what if we had a group of surfers, but their summer job was robbing banks? Yeah, it's great.
Vic00:59:24It's a great idea, right? It's a great premise. That worked for me. Okay, good. Do we have any more thoughts?
JVL00:59:31I can't believe none of you are going to bite on the Fast and Furious stuff, because again, Fast and Furious, I have never in my life, in my life, seen a movie that is as pure rip off, rip off as Fast and Furious as a Point Break.
Sonny00:59:48No, I mean, no, I mean, that's, I think that's generally. Yeah, I give it to you.
Vic00:59:52Sure.
Sonny00:59:52Yeah.
Vic00:59:53Okay. Definitely.
Sonny00:59:54No, no, you're, you're, you're right.
JVL00:59:58But it's weird. Isn't it? Like when you first saw, when you first saw Fast and Furious, did you not think to yourself? Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is just, yeah, this is just, you know, down to the Sergeant, the John C. McGinley part, uh, is in Fast and Furious is cast. Uh, what's the actor he played? He played, uh, Buffalo Bill in, um, Ted Levine is Ted Levine, right? The great Ted Levine has that part in from Monk.
Vic01:00:24Yeah.
JVL01:00:27Everything about it. I'm gonna just like, let's just do Point Break, but with like, that's right. Tuners. All right. Okay.
Vic01:00:34That is all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, compliments, tweet us at Sonny Bunch at Victorino Matus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on Patreon. Just go to Sub-Beacon. Beacon.com. We are there. Tell your friends until next time. So I, I can't believe, uh, uh, Lori Petty, you, you, you were youth. Did you think it was strange that they didn't pick? I don't know. It could have been Chrissy Swanson. It could have been, I don't know.
Sonny01:01:07It was very, are you saying it should be like a hot blonde?
Vic01:01:10Is that, is that, I think Catherine Bigelow went out of her way to pick somebody who was very much more like, you know, strong-willed feisty Lori Petty. No. Okay. But at the end, at the end, I, I don't know. I mean, I found her kind of intriguing. I'll tell you what. I think I, I liked, I think I liked her more as kit from a league of their own. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Sonny01:01:35All right. I'm sure it's fun.
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