#64. 'Ghostbusters: Afterlife'
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This early-and-uncensored episode centers on Ghostbusters: Afterlife, and the trio splits two-to-one against it: Sonny is pleasantly surprised, arguing that once you accept it as a Spielbergian kids'-adventure movie (more E.T. or Super 8 than a true Ghostbusters workplace comedy) rather than judge it against the original, it's an enjoyable, well-made-if-utterly-derivative crowd-pleaser; JVL hates it, dismissing it as a scary-kids-movie inversion of what made the 1984 original work (which he argues was really "PG Stripes") with only one real character, Phoebe (McKenna Grace), while Paul Rudd, Carrie Coon, and Finn Wolfhard's characters exist mainly as fan-service sock puppets to hit key-master/gatekeeper beats; and Vic, also unimpressed, hands out his Quadrants — a B for plot, a D for the overlong duration, a B for action/violence, and a D for sex/nudity — while razzing Sonny for being "strangely attracted" to Carrie Coon's character. Before getting to the movie, the guys spend the opening third on a very hungry, food-forward hang: an extended debate about chain pizza (Little Caesars' value, Domino's $6 medium, a disastrous self-delivered Papa John's in Texas, the mystery of gas-station Godfather's Pizza, and misty-eyed memories of Pizza Hut's buttery deep-dish and the ridiculous Priazzo), plus Vic's cautionary tale about jogging home in the dark without a reflective vest and JVL's own story of an unnervingly late run through a bad part of Baltimore. They also run through the weekend box office (Afterlife's steadily-upgraded $44M opening, Eternals' alarming 60% third-weekend drop, and Clifford the Big Red Dog nipping at its heels) and geek out over the new Spider-Man: No Way Home and Morbius trailers before diving into the review. Sonny predicts Afterlife will finish around $180 million domestic, and the episode wraps with Vic's bourbon-and-wine "Spirit of the Week," a listener mailbag debate over what Quadrant grades Legally Blonde would earn, and a closing shaggy-dog bit about a street named "Larro" — supposedly "oral" spelled backwards.
From the show notes
On this week's special, early, non-kids-friendly (sorry, we tried!) episode of The Sub-Beacon, the guys talk pizza, reflector lights, and the new Ghostbusters flick. Does bustin' make US feel good? (Phrasing.)
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JVL00:00:00Somehow, a town that isn't anywhere near a tectonic plate that has no fault lines, no fracking, no loud music even, is shaking on a daily basis.
Guest00:00:13Under the dining table now! Hey, remember that one summer we died under a table?
Sonny00:00:23I found this in my living room.
JVL00:00:26Whoa, killer replica.
Sonny00:00:28A replica of what?
JVL00:00:30A ghost trap?
Vic00:00:41Hello, and welcome to another edition of The Subbeacon. I'm Victor Matys, along with Jonathan V. Last and Sonny Bunch. Just a reminder, The Subbeacon is now available through Patreon. Go to subbeacon.com, you'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and don't forget about the Subbeacon merchandise store at tpublic.com. christmas is less than 40 days away gentlemen uh how are we on this uh wednesday morning as we all know when people listen to the show uh we're just about to head out on our long
Sonny00:01:09thanksgiving commute we'll try and keep this we won't go blue on this episode so you can listen to it in the family you'll be family with the family i can't make that i can't make that kind of problem we'll try not we'll try not to curse hey uh i'm gonna jump in here uh for a second because uh we we've taped the whole thing now i just just want to let you know that we do we do curse a little bit so maybe maybe don't listen to it with the kids in the van okay i i would uh save it for later all right back to regularly scheduled programming jvl what is happening
Vic00:01:38busting makes me feel good oh sorry you took you took my line already that was my big line for
JVL00:01:48later in the show we were i meant ghost busting because this is a clean show it's a clean show
Vic00:01:53clean episode yeah clean episode i'm at ghost getting those ghosts ray parker jr getting those ghosts and putting them in the box that's what makes them feel good putting it in the box
JVL00:02:03yeah putting it just jamming there look when all this putting slimer in the box when there's that
Sonny00:02:08gooey stuff that's left over after you've been busting when you put the when you put the ectoplasm in the box that's right that's how that's how you know that you're busting and the crazy ghost
Vic00:02:18those nuts busting those nuts makes me feel good let me just push it that i just went i just i feel
Sonny00:02:23like you went right over the right over the cliff okay sorry what's going anyway i'm fine i'm fine
JVL00:02:28uh i may have to coach a middle school baseball team hey we'll you know what we'll we'll talk about that at another time should it actually happen but you know the the worst thing you can ever do is put your head up because you put your head up for something and all of a sudden people
Sonny00:02:45were like hey you you over there and anyway that's fine uh i'm sorry who is making you coach this team as a tony soprano has tony soprano decided that you it's the athletic director who who i
JVL00:03:00think runs a garbage business on the side and and and runs vending machines waste management this
Sonny00:03:06was this was wasn't this literally a a long form story that you sent us jbl or maybe you linked to in one of your newsletters about, like, the crazy New Jersey baseball team and the, like, the guy who was, like, maybe connected? I'll try and find it.
JVL00:03:22It sounds like a great story. I'd love to read it, but I don't think I pointed people.
Sonny00:03:26It sounds like something you would have sent me. It's fine.
JVL00:03:28Santino, how are you, buddy?
Sonny00:03:30I'm fine.
JVL00:03:32All right. That's it?
Sonny00:03:34Why are we skipping off of you? I thought we were going to talk about Little Caesars.
JVL00:03:39Oh, I mean, do you want to talk about that?
Sonny00:03:41I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that because you-
Vic00:03:44That was very hip-hoppy voice of you, Sonny. I don't know what was happening to your microphone just then. What? Hip-hoppy, your voice. Hip-hoppy? Was that just my- Yeah, it did. Did I fuzz out a little bit? I don't know. It was Drake-like.
Sonny00:03:55It wasn't mesh. It wasn't mesh. It was the auto-tune. My auto-tune turned on.
Vic00:03:59Yes, that was the auto-tune. Let's talk about the Little Caesars thing you were saying.
Sonny00:04:02Well, I'm just excited because I want to hear about JBL's planned Pies and Pies with Little Caesars and Kroger Pies. That's a good one. that's just nothing but trash pies yeah kroger makes a pizza i've never there's not a kroger
JVL00:04:16near us here kroger i wouldn't know now i you know i i have tried to ask the children you can each you can each order anything you want for for thanksgiving dinner the world is you're gonna have four different things what would you like oh everybody's everybody's response has
Vic00:04:34been i don't know oh like you were like mel gibson at the at the end of that uh which would You know, that M. Night Shyamalan movie, the aliens one. What's it called? Signs. You remember? He says, whatever you want to eat. And it's like a million different things.
?00:04:48Yeah.
JVL00:04:48Well, I said that, and all four of them are like, I don't know. You got shrugs. And, you know, I keep pushing it. I'm like, we got to make some decisions. And they're like, I don't know. And, you know, you throw out, how about pizza? Well, maybe. It's amazing. How about macaroni and cheese? So, you know, I just feel like maybe we should just do ice cream. Maybe just ice cream for Thanksgiving, because everybody will always eat ice cream. If I just slop a big, and not like a cone size, but like a soup bowl of ice cream in front of them, they'll all eat it. Well, a cone isn't a meal.
Sonny00:05:21A cone isn't a meal. You would have to have like a big bowl of ice cream for that to be a meal.
Vic00:05:25I hardly recall anyone in the history of mankind ever saying, wait, stop, I've had too much ice cream. No one ever really says that. Unless you're lactose intolerant, then you've got a problem.
JVL00:05:35So, you know, by the time you guys are listening to this, we will be probably midway through the ice cream trough Thanksgiving dinner at the last house.
Sonny00:05:44I do like the idea of an ice cream trough, like a urinal trough, just filled with ice cream.
JVL00:05:50You screwed it for me.
Sonny00:05:51Yeah, I know. You just shove your face. But you have to get down on all fours. It's not like a trough on a table. It's like on the ground. Now, I was thinking more like Jurassic Park.
Vic00:06:00In an oval. I was thinking Jurassic Park where Laura Dern is there.
JVL00:06:05I don't know what you're talking about there.
Vic00:06:08Remember they're waiting for the kids? Laura Dern and Richard Attenborough, and they're sitting there, and the kids are not there.
Sonny00:06:15Oh, their kids are eating ice cream because it's going to melt.
Vic00:06:18Yeah, and before that, though, she lectures him, and she says, well, people are dying, Richard. That's right, that's right, that's right, that people are dying.
JVL00:06:25Listen, before this, we were talking about pizza before we went on the air, and Sonny said, why don't you just go get Little Caesars? And I said, you know what? We had a Little Caesars one mile from us, and it's not bad. It's not bad.
Sonny00:06:38As long as you understand, as long as you set your expectations properly, it's fine.
JVL00:06:43And it is so cheap.
Sonny00:06:44It's very, very cheap.
JVL00:06:45It is so cheap. And I would say as a value proposition, one of the highest ROIs of any chain pizza.
Sonny00:06:55The number one value ROI chain pizza is the medium two-topping pizza or whatever from Domino's. It's like $5.99 if you don't pick it up. That is a top-tier pizza.
JVL00:07:11Is Domino's pizza good now?
Sonny00:07:12Domino's pizza is – so we were discussing this.
JVL00:07:14It looks so good on the commercial.
Sonny00:07:16I recently ordered Papa John's in Texas. And the Papa John's in Texas, I don't know if it's a Texas thing, if it's Dallas or what. I think it's both. But Papa John's has gotten much, much worse over the last three or four years. I used to live near a Papa John's in Columbia Heights. And it was perfectly fine. It was good. It was a perfectly acceptable pizza substitute.
Vic00:07:36Yeah, I like Papa John's early on.
Sonny00:07:40But it was legitimately the worst delivery pizza I think I've ever had in my entire life.
Vic00:07:47This is where they delivered it themselves.
Sonny00:07:49They delivered it themselves. Because, yeah, they delivered it themselves. It was not good. It was terrible. That's really unfortunate. But I do like, I mean, I think Domino's is fine. Domino's, again, it's, again, for like a $6 medium two-topping pizza or whatever. Like, you can't do much better than this.
JVL00:08:06Every now and then we would get that. For $8, Little Caesars gives you two larges. I'm not even kidding. That's a lot of pizza.
Sonny00:08:14I like, I just, I prefer Domino's to Little Caesars, I think.
Vic00:08:18Occasionally we would get the Domino's at the weekly standard. Do you remember this? On a Friday night. And then someone would order the chicken – what are they called? Chicken kickers? I think the chicken kickers. Chicken kickers. Yes, the chicken kickers. And like Goldfarb would take the whole thing and he'd throw it at me, the entire thing. He goes, get to work because he always wanted me to enter a competitive eating contest. And I said, I can do volume but I can't do speed.
Sonny00:08:43You're a slow, steady gorger. Yes. Not like a trash compactor.
Vic00:08:48No, I can't do that thing.
Sonny00:08:50you gotta you gotta like it's like you gotta just at us at a pace not not you know yeah i can keep
Vic00:08:57on going you know if i had unlimited time so i can't do that do you know what i remember trying a long time ago and we only did it once because we were like traveling somewhere was uh it was in new jersey jvl was probably closer to your side in the western part of the state um godfather's pizza there was a god yes there yes i have i remember it was somewhere heading out west as we're heading so i don't know if it was cherry hill but we were on our way down so you cut across and you go down and was that the real godfathers or was that an independent you know like just some
JVL00:09:30guy named no no no no no it was the godfather's pizza and i was original rays versus rays original
Sonny00:09:36So this is my question.
Vic00:09:38It was very salty.
JVL00:09:38It was very salty. So I have never seen a Godfather's Pizza that was not attached to a gas station.
Vic00:09:49Oh, really?
JVL00:09:51The only Godfather. And this is one of the things that I found amazing about the Herman Cain presidential bid is that everybody talked about Godfather Pizza like it was Domino's or Pizza Hut. Right. A thing that everybody knew about. I thought, first of all, I have never heard of this thing. Second of all, I've never seen one. And it wasn't until years after the Herman Cain thing that I, I think I was in North Carolina and I passed a gas, you know, one of these, one of these deliverance style towns where there's a gas station and attached to it is a pizza joint. Yeah. Man, let me tell you, the sticks of North Carolina pizza from a chain created by a gentleman in Herman Cain. That's going to be some good pizza.
Vic00:10:31It's so authentic. Top tier. Yeah.
JVL00:10:34So authentic. But anyway, and so I started looking then, and whenever I happen to see one, I'm almost always in the south, and it's always, you know, like the way sometimes in the north you'll have like a Dunkin' Donuts attached to a gas station quickie mart. That's what the Godfathers are.
Sonny00:10:49I've never seen an actual Godfather.
Vic00:10:51This was a standalone, and again, this is more than 20 years ago, but it was a standalone in town, and it's unfortunate. You know what it is, JVL? It's sort of like when you go up the turnpike now or the parkway and there's a Roy Rogers and they're almost always now just on rest stops. Yep. And it used to be a thing, you know? And the other thing we were just talking, right before we went on the air, I mentioned Pizza Hut. I love Pizza Hut so much. And I looked forward to it. And I thought it was-
JVL00:11:19You used to go to the hut, right? Yes. You wouldn't deliver Pizza Hut. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Definitely not delivery. You could pick up.
Vic00:11:26It was a restaurant. You would pick it up or you ate there.
Sonny00:11:28You ate there, man. out of the red cups you go there with your with your booket coupon and you're like give me my
Vic00:11:35free personal pay and pizza jvl you had unlimited free pizza hut pizza back in the day didn't you
JVL00:11:41i did when i did my my cross-country basketball oh man i didn't get into medical school room springing i had uh basically a card from pizza hut that just said let this guy eat anything he once that and i just walk into a pizza hut and you know and flash that to the manager and they'd be like okay and they would just bring in and you know like i was playing basketball for six sometimes eight hours a day you're famished and i was famished and so i was eating like four five thousand calories a day just like well to be fair that's like four pieces of pizza that's like four slices of pizza oh no i had like one half of a pepperoni pizza that explains what happen to me but yeah but it's when so i don't know did dominoes kill pizza hut by shifting people's pizza consumption habits from restaurant dine-in to delivery and pizza was resistant to that i believe pizza resisted delivery and so in a way pizza hut is blockbuster to dominoes
Vic00:12:45as netflix that's very deep and and i think that maybe that i don't know but that totally makes totally sense to me i just remember i used to get all sorts of things at pizza hut including they had a promo for this thing called the priazzo which isn't actually real it's not a real italian thing they created it which is like a giant pizza it was their version of like chicago um deep dish but it wasn't that deep and they just covered it with a whole other like layer of pizza on top so listeners if you can go to youtube because i did this uh recently and just type in like pizza hut priazzo you can find the old commercials it's ridiculous because they said we introduced it to the italian we went to italy and we went to like an italian a small italian town and they try and
JVL00:13:29they and then of course the italian i remember this commercial i remember that commercial it's like amazing you know i i want to say this about pizza hut though back in the day and again i have not had pizza hut in in 20 years sadly same but back in the day you would get pizza hut in the way they cooked it and i'm not a deep dish guy by nature by nature i'm a thin crust guy but the pizza hut deep dish man they used a lot of butter where the the dough hit the pan that yes and the result was it really got golden and crispy golden and they use you know what they didn't do they didn't skimp on the mozzarella no they didn't no they did that's one of the things that drives me crazy when you go i feel like today you have to order extra cheese just to get to what used to be normal cheese because everybody's cutting back it's inflation it is inflation it's two things
Vic00:14:26it's two things one is the inflation that's true and the second thing is because they want to be these doc pizzas right so they're authentic right authentic neapolitan pizzas and oh by the way in in in naples they only put a little bit of cheese on there yeah i don't like that and i want american
Sonny00:14:41pizza i want real cheese on it i want a lot of it i want six cups of mozzarella on every slice yes
JVL00:14:48that is what i that is what i'm looking for how many calories is a large pie when you would eat pizza that mozzarella it would be i don't know a quarter inch thick and it would string out
Vic00:14:59you know what i liked it and we're making our readers real our listeners are getting so hungry they're like oh forget about the turkey we're gonna go to pizza but it wasn't for the record
Sonny00:15:07it wasn't deep dish it was like the personal it was the pan pizza
Vic00:15:11the personal pan it was like
Sonny00:15:11the pan it was that's not really a deep dish it's like a it's like a it's just like a thicker crust it's like
Vic00:15:17thick and chewy so good though thick and chewy you had a choice thick and chewy or thin and crispy
Sonny00:15:23Uno's Uno's was the Uno's was real that's right
Vic00:15:27that was a deep dish and like Uno's and Dewey's in Chicago and then I got sick from deathly ill from an Uno's in Cleveland Park
JVL00:15:35i remember that who knows yeah it was a sauce i remember the georgetown who knows
Sonny00:15:40so do i so i've been i've been to the georgetown one is the one in union station still there
JVL00:15:45i can't believe that would be still be there no i don't think so i think it was gone the last time i was in union station but i could be wrong no i could be wrong okay yeah all right what's up buddy
Vic00:15:57me okay sunny you're fine sunny seeded his time oh he did talk okay i'm fine i so went to see the movie today and i felt like such a sloth that when it came back it was still in the afternoon around three a little bit after three o'clock and i thought you know maybe i want to go for a run and but it was cold and it was kind of a little bit rainy out and whatever but the kids are like dad just go just go so i said i went out and it was like dank you know how it's dank and cold and damp and it was like you know it was then started to rain a little but i went out anyway and i I started running. But what I didn't realize is, of course, you know, it got dark quick. So all of a sudden I'm out there and I'm not you know, I just have my gray hoodie, a hooded sweatshirt and black sweatpants. I realize I need to get back on to sort of the the rate that the smaller, quieter roads not be crossing like Lee Highway or Washington Boulevard because, you know, that, you know, it's getting dark. And then I thought to myself, have I reached that point that I might have to get one of those reflector vests for a Crazy Runners?
JVL00:17:03That's no joke. JVL, do you own one? No, Shannon does because she used to do a little bit of that. No, this is a real thing. Do I have to?
Vic00:17:15Yes. I think you should have one. That's why I wanted to throw that because I knew you'd have thoughts on this.
JVL00:17:20The scariest that I've ever had of this, where you head out not realizing what time it is.
Vic00:17:25No, I got there fast. It was 4.30.
JVL00:17:27As an undergraduate in Baltimore. Yes. And we had the time change in the fall, and I wasn't quite thinking about things. And so I went out for a run. Just went to do, I think it was like an easy 10 miles. Nice. Back when I ran a lot. But what I did was I just ran east from my apartment. Oh. and i wasn't quite paying attention to the sun going down and all of a sudden i get to my out and back mark past like memorial stadium and uh it is dark and i am in a bad part of baltimore suddenly you're making really great negative splits and i i think i think i did because i always laughed about this i think i did that second five in like 30 minutes flat i just turned around i was just like i gotta get out of here before before i get shot yeah well
Vic00:18:32that's kind of a good motivator for that i did it was great i i'm not gonna go as far as to say i want to be one of these people who has my sister might have one of these lights you put it on your
Sonny00:18:43head are you gonna get the are you gonna get the lights that like blink on your shoes you don't
Vic00:18:48need that because your eyes adjust to it okay also you don't need i don't think i don't make
JVL00:18:52sure the people can see you yeah well you could jury jury break one yes but i i do all seriousness yeah if you have to cross streets and you're gonna be out when it's dark just get one of the vests
Vic00:19:02yeah okay i think i don't know man oh thank you uh i got back and uh it's funny because even when it's cold uh you know i still worked up a sweat and was very thirsty and you know what i suddenly had a hankering for i wanted to get a high i felt like drinking high c but that's a cooler oh speaking of which wow you you jumped right to it you just such an easy feed sorry i didn't i didn't mean to stop that was the whole plan i was gonna say what was it called speaking of which over the weekend ghostbusters afterlife was at the top of the box office with at least 44 million followed by Eternals with $10.8 million and Clifford the Big Red Dog in third place with $8.1 million. What I want to know is next week, will Clifford overtake Eternals? Box office thoughts.
Sonny00:19:52So we're, pull back the curtain a little bit, we're discussing this Sunday night. We're taping this Sunday night because we want to, we travel schedules, we want to make sure we get it out there. So we don't have the actual official final numbers yet. What was interesting about Ghostbusters was that it ticked up all weekend, that the initial lowball estimate that Sony was putting out there was, oh, we expect $28 million.
JVL00:20:13I saw that. Wow.
Sonny00:20:15And the rest of the industry, according to Deadline, was saying it's probably going to be closer to $35 million. It's going to be $30 to $35 million. That was before any numbers came in. After the Thursday night previews, which was, I think, $4.5 million, And the projected numbers or the prediction numbers kind of ticked up a bit to about $40 million. And sure enough, after like the first round of numbers on Friday came in, Deadline's story was like, all right, we're looking at a $40.5 million weekend. And then after Saturday's numbers came in and after we got a look at the matinees and all that, the number ticked up again on Sunday to $44 million. So, you know, you could say it ticked up from 28 to 44. More realistically, it ticked up from like 35 to 44. But what that suggests to me is that the word of mouth on this movie is pretty good, that it is a matinee movie, that it is going to play well with kids and adults. It's a four-quadrant picture, as they say.
JVL00:21:23It's because it's so good.
Sonny00:21:25We can talk about that in a second. We can talk about that in a second. But it does have an A- from CinemaScore, which is better than the 2016 Ghostbusters B+. And is in line with the Ghostbusters 2, I think, got an A-. So, you know, people seem to be into it. I will say that I have yet to hear from a normal audience member that this movie was not to their satisfaction. Until now. We can talk about that in a second. The other interesting number here is that Eternals only did $10 million in its third weekend. It suffered another 60% drop. Again, maybe that number ticks up a little bit by the time we get finals on Monday. But it had a 62% drop second weekend and a 60% drop this weekend. And I think that the 60% drop in the third weekend is much, much more worrisome for Marvel and Disney. Because if you look at comparable, you know, the first to second weekend drop can be tricky because, you know, what if those are always big numbers in the first weekend and the second weekend is always going to be smaller. So like a 62% drop, not the end of the world, but a 60% drop third to second weekend does not happen with these movies very often. I mean, even so, Venom, which is not an MCU movie, it's just a Marvel movie, dropped, I think, 48% in its second to third weekend. Black Widow, which was, again, competing against Premiere Access, dropped 55%, which was like a big drop, but it's still less than Eternals. And I think Shang-Chi dropped something like 32% from second to third weekend, or 38%, something like that. So, you know, I just kind of assumed that Eternals would get to the, you know, to the 180 range, which is about where it would need to be to be in the top five for the end of the year. And I do not think it is going to get there. Not at this rate. It is, you know, it's stalling out. So, I don't know, man. And like a Marvel movie doing under $160 million is not very, it doesn't happen a lot. It doesn't happen a lot. So those are the two things I was looking at this week.
JVL00:23:50How will we ever find out what happens to the Eternals?
Sonny00:23:55I think, I mean, I assume we're going to get seven more Eternals movies. They're being held hostage in orbit. They're being held hostage in Shanghai is where they're being held hostage.
JVL00:24:03What will Ashram's verdict be?
Sonny00:24:06thank you thank you man uh i wish you guys could see jbl rolling yes no no i i feel i feel the
Vic00:24:13same way horrendous i'm it was a terrible movie uh there was a couple of interesting trailers i can i if i can just throw this in before we get into the the meat of it uh one was i got morbius morbius which is i guess more of the related to venom world they're not going to have
Sonny00:24:31i don't know what man spider-man yes morbius is historically a spider-man villain was introduced to the 1970s he's a doctor who essentially turns himself into a vampire okay okay uh so it's going
Vic00:24:43to be part of that world but the but the spider-man trailer i thought was great yeah you were excited i was well for no way home one of my favorite uh episodes of an old old old spider-man cartoon and i had a i had a little uh comic book about it was one of these little you know there's a little like they're not novellas but they were like those they were like bantam books you know and they and it was a spider-man one that i had as a kid and it was spider-man versus i think it was like green goblin mysterio and uh maybe the vulture or something like the the triple villain take you know like the triple villain was that the sinister six it might have been electro might have been there it was all my favorites and this one looks like you've got three and i i i'm getting the sense they're i mean obviously they brought back alfred molina so this is going to be really
Sonny00:25:32excited. But they're from all the Spider-Man movies. Yes, so this ties it up. Not just the MCU movies. Oh my gosh. We're talking
Vic00:25:38multiverse here, my friend. Like Andrew Garfield villains?
Sonny00:25:42So the Electro, who was played by Jamie Foxx, and the Andrew Garfield is in this trailer. And then you have Doc Ock. Very briefly. You have Doc Ock from the... And I saw Sandman, maybe? Sandman.
Vic00:25:56Is that going to be Thomas Hayden Church?
Sonny00:25:58Remember that? I mean, I would assume so. I don't know. That's crazy. But the, yeah, no, I, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be huge. Yeah. All the villains.
Vic00:26:07Yeah. I love them. Okay.
Sonny00:26:09No word yet. Officially, if the, the other Spider-Men are going to be in it, but we'll see.
Vic00:26:13Oh, that would be it. That would be, of course, they're older now. JBL's shaking his head. It's not for him.
Sonny00:26:21You're muted. You're muted. JBL, you're muted.
JVL00:26:23it's so this looks to be taking one of the most polarizing storylines in the history of spider-man which is the brand new day which uh was marvel's attempts to just shake up the etch-a-sketch on the character because there's just too much stuff glummed on he was married to mary jane and aunt may had died and harry osborn was died and there was just too much continuity and so they did Brand New Day which just clean slate just go back to normal go back to the characters that we all know and love and the relationships that we know and love how magic and I whatever I hope it's good I would like to go see a good Spider-Man movie I am not optimistic
Vic00:27:11Sonny how about a big boy review of Ghostbusters Afterlife
Sonny00:27:16Ghostbusters Afterlife did you like ghostbusters in 1984 because i got good news for you this is like ghostbusters but with kids uh so uh so ghostbusters afterlife starts with a shadowy figure in a field somewhere running from a mysterious ghostly force uh that he loses to he loses to this ghostly force and is uh he dies and his family comes to take over his dirt farm turns out that that that that uh mysterious person in the dirt farm was uh egon spangler and his uh his family is out uh in the middle of oklahoma now shot in canada by the way this movie was shot in canada it was not shot in oklahoma so those windswept planes look familiar to you uh they only should if you are from canada if you're if you're a priest from canada listening to this show that's about the only person who's gonna recognize those those uh but the uh so anyway uh uh family moves to uh to oklahoma the family uh is a single mother carrie coon uh the great carrie coon uh who has a a young uh i don't like a 15 year old boy uh named trevor kind of uh will you say the great
JVL00:28:31yeah elaborate you're really tossing that that around pretty liberally there aren't you i i love
Sonny00:28:38did you guys ever watch the leftovers no sorry she's she's fantastic in the leftovers and also uh she is the she's the sister in gone girl oh oh okay anyway yeah carrie coon pretty great great in this movie too anyway uh family moves out to oklahoma the great carrie coon plays the mother uh the uh the there's a there's a like 12 year old girl who is maybe on the spectrum hard to say but she's very into science she's very smart into science uh and then there's a 15 year old boy who like wants to you know get get in with the the local the local youths uh turns out turns out that this town uh was created by evo shandor do you remember evo shandor they mentioned him in the first movie evo shandor uh was the guy who built the uh skyscraper on which most of uh Ghostbusters took place. Oh, that was discussed in the
Vic00:29:34jail cell in the first place. Yes, exactly.
Sonny00:29:37Nobody ever made him like this as the line goes. He built the building out of the selenium girders. Do you know where the selenium came from? Canada? Came from this Oklahoma town. Came from this Oklahoma town. Canada, good answer. So here's Alright, so I want to Before we get into full spoiler territory, the very, very
JVL00:30:00uh basic my my like one sentence anything in this spoil anything if you have seen the original
Sonny00:30:07ghostbusters you have seen this movie well so we'll get to that in a second i the the the thing about this movie is that it is it is it is the the the nostalgia here is not strictly speaking a nostalgia for uh the ghostbusters movie it is not shot in the style that ivan reitman shot ghostbusters or ghostbusters one um the whole mode of humor is different ghostbusters one and ghostbusters two were workplace comedies this however is a kid's movie it's a kid's movie what we have here is a spielbergian kid adventure movie and if you watch it on that level i think it's a totally acceptable film it's a totally fine uh entertaining uh whatever it is what it is the weirdest thing about it is that it is it is it is an exact carbon copy of the first in terms of plot points in terms of villains the the i don't understand how you make a ghostbusters movie you have you have the entirety of your imagination to build up a whole new world of ghosts and you decide you know what we're gonna do we're gonna bring back gozer i'm gonna bring back gozer we're gonna bring back gozer's dogs we're gonna have key masters and we're gonna have gatekeepers and we're gonna put a fucking sumer sorry sorry for the language we're gonna put a sumerian temple in the middle of oklahoma for some reason buried thousands of feet beneath the ground 2 000 years old giant sumerian statues and none of this makes any sense none of this makes any sense at all so i i there there's there's there's a part of me that wants to rip on this movie endlessly for being totally just just a total copy for being a like real symbol of how decadent hollywood is and how like out of ideas they are and yet i enjoyed it oh i enjoyed the movie i enjoyed it i i thought i i had a good time in the theater i left feeling happy and that's about all can ask from a movie like this it's lazy but it's it's lazy but it's not lazy in the way that like red notice is lazy red notice is lazy because it looks cheap and shoddy this looks like a real actual movie it's just it's just totally ripped off from the first one and i like and yet i don't
Vic00:32:33understand it i don't understand and you don't understand the appeal that you the the well i
Sonny00:32:37don't understand why they would do that i just don't i i don't understand why they would do that except for the fact that they were like we need we 2016 one flop because it was too different from the original we need to do the original and just do it we need to just do the original again we're just gonna do the original again it's the force awakens it is very similar to the force of jvl
JVL00:32:58don't we need a word for that we we say soft reboot but that doesn't it should be like a a requel or a seek-oot or something. Seemake. Like brunch. This is...
Sonny00:33:16Whatever. Vic,
JVL00:33:18if you tell me you love this...
Vic00:33:21You're going into pass mode? Okay, fine.
JVL00:33:24If you tell me you loved this and that it killed it on the quadrants, I might die. Okay. Ready for
Vic00:33:32the grades? Go ahead. Here we go. Plot was a B. i mostly understood it it's pretty straightforward you know it's like oh grandfather was there not to understand well there's a lot of weird stuff going on how come no one remembers that the ghosts were real you know it's like this huge thing happened it was monumental now partly the manhattan cross rip yeah you know and she's like i don't believe in ghosts well you know this thing happened okay
Sonny00:33:58it happened before youtube it's not like everyone was walking around the kids the first ones to
Vic00:34:02to discover the ruins and the mine shaft nobody else discovered this it was just the kids now there were signs telling people not to go there of course pod is yelling at me because i'm not giving him any credit i just right he filed a review of ghost so i just read it so that's in my mind about the plot but no i had those issues even before i read uh his review um that's the first thing duration d man this one is long i would have dropped the first 30 minutes um okay action violence is b it's just okay i mean they have the things i had apparently it's very easy to use these those those laser weapons uh sex nudity is a d uh it's pg-13 i found myself strangely attracted to the mom and i say strangely because you know she's why strangely because she's an older woman because she's age-appropriate she's i say she's an older woman but of course don't find i don't want you to tell me how old i'm gonna go look right no don't look don't look she must be like in her 60s uh the best the best thing about this i like carrie born in 1981 she is born in 1981 what year were you born in victor nixon was still president but that's all i'm saying i'm not saying more than that okay yeah no she's pretty old yeah she's pretty old she's ancient um i what were your expectations i had already for me i had lower expectations because i had heard rumblings and prior to hearing the rumblings i was excited oh my gosh and paul rudd's in it this is going to be great oh there's going to be cameos it's going to be amazing but because i already heard people not being happy with it it was lower expectations
Sonny00:35:35were exceptionally low i went into this assuming it was going to be terrible yeah oh okay and because it wasn't terrible and i laughed and i enjoyed paul rudd and carrie coon doing their doing like the hot mom and the hot teacher thing together uh i mean i there's so much there's so much bad cringy stuff in this like ghost harold ramus okay i'm that's on my pro you know i have
Vic00:36:03pros and cons that's on my pro side you know why a better a better cgi harold ramus greater sign than cgi grand moff tarkin and princess leia oh my god and i think the key and i knew you were particularly in the force awakens carrie the cgi carrie fisher in the force awakens um she wasn't
Sonny00:36:25She wasn't CGI in The Force Awakens? You're thinking of Rogue One.
Vic00:36:28That's my joke. That's a joke, Sonny. That's the joke, Sonny. That's the joke. I see what you mean. And I think what made it work, yes, it was cringy, but what made it work is that he didn't speak. I don't know. That was like, okay. But somehow they made it work.
Sonny00:36:41I thought it was so cringy. But again, this is a kid's movie,
Vic00:36:45but if you want to see a kid's movie, see Super 8, you know?
Sonny00:36:48But that's what this movie is, though. This movie is not a Ghostbusters movie. It's Super 8 or it's Tomorrowland or it's one of these other like Spielberg. It's E.T. Before I throw this. It's E.T. It's Close Encounters of the Third Kind. It is not a Ghostbusters movie. Once you accept it on that level, I think it works perfectly fine.
Vic00:37:09Even on that level, it dragged. It dragged. I would have cut out at least 30 minutes. I'm going to throw, before I throw this to JVL, I will say for me, the best part of the movie was beginning from when paul rudd walks into walmart everything before that i think i was fine not without jvl go so why does ghostbusters work the answer to this is that
JVL00:37:35when we say ghostbusters work i think what people who might be younger than us don't understand is that uh ghostbusters had a budget of 30 million 1984 dollars and it grossed 300 million domestic alone that is a 10x the budget and that was 300 million 1984 1984 dollars and in a world where there was no international market yeah uh you cannot get 10x on a movie unless you are working in the realm of independent cinema right if you're doing the blair witch project really small budget You can get 10x, maybe, if you catch lightning in a bottle. Ghostbusters, I saw this at the Alamo, and the pre-roll at the Alamo was just an endless series of commercials for Ghostbusters spinoffs. From the Saturday morning cartoon crossover with Hulk Hogan's Rocket Wrestling, to the Ghostbusters cereal, to the Ghostbusters lunchboxes. the ghostbusters action figures the ghostbusters slime kits the ghostbusters costumes the real ghost the real ghostbusters extreme ghostbusters ghostbusters video games i think people cannot fully appreciate what a gigantic hit ghostbusters was and that is because ghostbusters looked like maybe a kind of kiddie wheels scary movie in the realm of gremlins, but it was actually Stripes.
Vic00:39:16Yes. The engine on Ghostbusters is Stripes. Another Ivan Reitman movie.
JVL00:39:20It's PG Stripes. It is wildly original. It has three very solid characters who we totally understand. We understand who they are and how they relate to each other. Plus a great supporting cast. None of those three characters are archetypes they're all totally original and then as you say we have all these secondary characters sigourney weaver richard atherton ernie hudson amy potts rick moranis rick moranis in a in a lesser movie would be throwaway parts but here they are written just enough to just enough meat on the bones to make us care about them and know who they are and the actors are great in them and it has such incredibly low stakes all throughout it until the very end when all of a sudden goes or the gozerian shows up and we are at an end of the world situation where we thought this whole thing was a romp and then the movie switches gears on us again by undercutting all those stakes by popping up a totally unexpected and instantly iconic villain with the stay puffed marshmallow man the character design on which by the way is fucking amazing the choice to keep the stay puffed marshmallow man with his idiot smile the whole time while he's wrecking new york is
Vic00:40:37unbelievably inspired also the special effects at that time by and large i thought worked for me when i saw it in the theater you know you can be very skeptical about it i was much younger then but i remember seeing in the theater if you squint hard enough you can see your boobs right see gozer's boobs yes it's true and i think that the original goes are hotter than the The second gozer, I think.
JVL00:41:00The second gozer is Olivia Wilde.
Sonny00:41:02Yeah, do you know who played Olivia Wilde?
JVL00:41:04It's Olivia Wilde. Yeah, they don't give her much. So I think Afterlife does not work as a movie, and here's why, right? So the movie pretends that there are four main characters, but there's only one main character. We have Paul Rudd and the mom and the creepy brother taking up space and taking narrative time in this, When there's only one character, and that's Phoebe, the whole story revolves around her. The other three don't need to be in it, except as sock puppets so that we can hit the beats of the first movie, right? Because we need a key master, and we need the gatekeeper, and so that's why we have them. The brother—
Sonny00:41:49I'm sorry, can I interrupt very slightly? The funniest moment in this movie to me was when Carrie Coon is like walking towards the mountain and then all of a sudden her dress becomes this like golden lame thing. And I remember like I remember thinking in the theater, oh, OK, that's like Sigourney Weaver's dress. I had always just assumed that was something that was in Sigourney Weaver's closet. Yes, yes. I always I had always assumed that was just like that's her. I'm going to Studio 54 outfit. And instead it's like a whole magical thing. That's that's like that is that's the moment to me where I was like, I hate what they're doing right now, but I still find it very compelling.
JVL00:42:28So so you have again, you have all these characters who should be secondary characters who are who are given leading character time, despite not really advancing the story in any way. And the movie, to make it even worse, splits most of them up. We spend most of the movie with these four characters in different places, which is weird and off putting. But the deepest level is that this is, as you say, Sonny, a sort of scary kids movie with comic beats, not a comedy with a couple spooks. It inverts that formula. And I just, I don't know. I hate everything. I hated everything about it, I think. In the theater, I didn't hate it. In the theater, I was just kind of like, eh. Well, I would say in my showing, yeah, this is a sample size of one, but it was a very crowded theater, and it seemed to fall pretty flat. I mean, nobody was jazzed.
Sonny00:43:28Oh, man. See, so I saw it Thursday night. I saw it the Thursday night it was released, and my theater, like, a third of the theater clapped, like, three times in the movie. Wow. When like when when Harold Ramis shows up the first time at the end, when all when all the Ghostbusters show up, like it was like and when Sigourney Weaver showed up in her post credit scene.
JVL00:43:52That post credit scene is terrible.
Sonny00:43:54Yeah, not great. That did you stay for the for the. I stayed all the way. What is at the very end? There's a there's a scene with Ernie Hudson where he's talking about how he's like a he's like a crypto investor.
JVL00:44:06Was it funny? No, no. no no it was not it's it is sequel setup material but this is so i just i thought to myself as i'm watching this who is this movie for now obviously it's for sony because sony has to no streaming channel and so has to strip mine every single piece of ip they could even plausibly get their hands on i think this looks like a labor of love for all of the people involved i think this was deeply important and personal for Dan Aykroyd and the Reitman son and father. And these I think a lot of it was just coping with Harold Ramis' death
Vic00:44:49to a large degree. Including them seeing his ghost.
JVL00:44:54Yeah. No, I think they really wanted that and it felt like a family reunion kind of thing for them. But for the audiences? Is there? But A- 44 million? I don't know. Maybe it plays.
Vic00:45:09I just feel like two weeks from now, nobody is going to remember this movie. My theater was mostly quiet. A couple chuckles here and there. Definitely no clapping. And it was a crowded theater. But, you know, I just felt like, you know, I knew they were going to make an appearance at some point in the movie. But waiting when? And it doesn't happen until the very end that you see the original Ghostbusters. And I thought, couldn't they have been there throughout? Maybe that would have helped. I like Paul Rudd a lot. I think Paul Rudd makes any any movie better with him just because he has just a weird, funny way of delivering any line.
Sonny00:45:41And so that helps the movie along. But I mean, I I so I really do think that like the the Paul Rudd, Carrie Coon dynamic there is like the engine that moves the movie forward. Like as much as as much as the movie is about Phoebe. Right. And like her trying to find her place in the world without the without the the mom and teacher dynamic, they're kind of moving things along. But again, it's it's just such it's such a weird inversion of the original film, which is, as you say, it's basically it's a PG stripes. It's like a PG stripes with ghosts. And in that movie, you literally have a you have a joke about a ghost giving Dan Aykroyd a blowjob. OK, again, the kids middle in the middle of the in the middle of the the fire.
JVL00:46:27Ghosts just doing what mommy and daddy do on birthdays and anniversaries.
Sonny00:46:31that's all yes the the ghost the ghost i mean it's like it's it is it's it is like very but it's like it's not even implied it's like very explicit in this and in in this movie on the other hand the the asian kid named podcast i like that kid that's the one we haven't even we haven't
Vic00:46:50even talked about podcast jbl best best asian kids in short round thank you it's not it's not
Sonny00:46:58The kid isn't live stream. The kid isn't Twitch. He's podcast because this movie was written by 50-year-olds. So there's a scene in this movie where podcast tells Phoebe that the teacher is trying to bone his mom and she gets very awkward and weird about it. And that's the angle of this humor. It's like kids being annoyed and grossed out by their parents, but also realizing that they love them. It's a kid's movie. This is a kid's movie. And again, I think it's a perfectly acceptable kid's movie. I think this is actually like, as far as kids. It felt like a kid's movie. I've seen Clifford and I've seen Paw Patrol. And, like, as far as kids' movies go, movies you can take your kids to, this is top-tier stuff. This is like—
JVL00:48:00We can agree on this. Ghostbusters Afterlife is mostly superior to Paw Patrol, the movie.
Sonny00:48:09Oh, boo.
Vic00:48:10I like how Paul Rudd was showing the kids Cujo. And child's play. That's funny.
Sonny00:48:17That's something that I would do. It's funny. Why is it funny? No, it's only funny. It is funny. it's funny because it's absurd it's funny because it's absurd it's funny because that's not even member berries it's that's not even member berries it's actually just funny because it is ridiculous because it's like it's it's absurd but there are a lot of member berries i think jvl is right oh well no but oh god i wish i had been keeping track i mean it's like yeah it's like when they walk into the farmhouse the first time and there's the stack of books yeah right or when uh when Phoebe goes into the basement when Phoebe goes and pulls out a Nestle Crunch wrapper as if Egon has just held on to that wrapper for 40 years in his pocket or the Twinkie that's in the, you know, like the whole thing was, I was just like at a certain point I was annoyed and then I was kind of impressed by it and then I was annoyed again. I was just like, they're really committed to this not letting anything go
JVL00:49:15from the original. I honestly, I i thought to myself about the about how long is the movie about halfway through over two i thought to myself it's two hours it's 122 minutes i can't believe they haven't done the are you a god joke are they gonna are they gonna go this whole movie without recycling that line and then nope nope they're gonna strip mine it they're gonna if there is anything that you remember from the first ghost busters they're gonna put it in there and they're gonna beat you over the head with it they're not you know there's no no sly illusions going on here what it's i i what is olivia wilde whose look is kind of interesting for gozer is given nothing interesting to do i you know the woman
Sonny00:50:10goes there's not an interesting character you know who else doesn't have anything interesting
JVL00:50:14to do jk simmons he's a great actor i said this is the point and then he's gone so whatever you want to say about the character of gozer when slavita javon the award appears as gozer with like bubbles and shit it's just absolutely iconic right and it's kind of interesting and she has like that one weird and hot scary and hot but also like that weird are you a god and if you're a god god then die like everything might just off kilter and then here just like yeah i guess is that olivia wilde in there yeah i guess it's her why i didn't i didn't why doesn't she have bubbles on her tits why does she have the little like doomsday spines i like how we start off so this is gonna be
Vic00:50:59a child friendly what is what's happening and then it's over like then she's gone you know
JVL00:51:05she becomes cgi running through cornfields because she has no motivation there's nothing there's no reason for her to be doing anything yeah why why is that the the the weird sallow emo kid who i guess is famous justin wolfhard from stranger things finn wolfhard okay so why is he in this movie because he was in stranger okay i'm sorry why is his character in this movie
Sonny00:51:29because you need an older uh sibling to get them to the mountain no you don't you just need you
JVL00:51:37just need your actual main character phoebe to make a second friend at school but that's all trying to bring in teenagers and there's a little teenage horniness the only you know the only reason he really exists is to bring the character of lucky who i believe whose name we never actually get and like there's you know why why do we see them in the meat freezer at the shake show who
Vic00:51:59could say right but i would have cut again i could have cut all that stuff out the most the most
Sonny00:52:03random you guys mentioned olivia wilde and jk simmons but the most random actual actor in this movie to me is bokeem woodbine oh yeah yes her father is the shocker who plays the father sheriff and he's in this movie for literally 60 seconds and i'm like i'm like wait a second bokeem woodbine good actor in some good movies why is he in this at all like it's one thing to do like the i like it's actually like more acceptable to have is that jk simmons playing emotion so it's more acceptable to have jk simmons play evo shandor as like a bit because that's kind of funny at least but to have like bokeem woodbine just being a random nothing character for i like i was i was like i was offended on his behalf frankly uh i i liked celeste o'connor it's
JVL00:52:51actually the the the actor who made the most uh of an impression on me was her uh is she the
Vic00:52:58girlfriend or the love interest she's the the quasi love interest yeah yeah i gotta say nice
JVL00:53:02i don't know if this doesn't get me in trouble celeste o'connor is an interesting name for a gal from kenya oh o'connor kind of like shaquille o'neal yeah okay uh you didn't like uh uh what's her name uh grace mckenna mckenna grace i thought she was fine she was you know she she looked i
Sonny00:53:25thought she was very good i thought she's very good she carries the movie uh she does carry the movie yeah to the extent the extent this movie works it's as a kid's movie and she is the the
JVL00:53:35like primary kid in it yeah to the extent that you know she she's fine she uh she reminds me a lot of the the girl the actress who got her start as the young jodie foster in contact and then wound up having a nice career uh whose name i'm i'll effort this while we talk you know uh you know
Vic00:53:59it was a great ivan reitman movie that crushed the quadrants with stripes i just want to throw that out there think about that one on every level action there was actually the bus there
JVL00:54:09was the bus and everything else no i you know jbl mentioned jenna malone sorry she looks a lot like
Sonny00:54:17jenna malone she's great uh you know jbl jbl mentioned the original ghostbusters and why it works and like a thing i'm stealing this from somebody on twitter i forget who but uh somebody on twitter made the very good point that the really the only reason ghostbusters works there's no reason for ghostbusters to work this kind of like workplace ghost 1980s new york comedy the reason it works is because you had two genuine geniuses harold ramus and bill murray working like at the at the height of their powers and you had two like legit a-list talents dan akroyd and uh ivan reitman also like that's right working at the absolute height of their powers and it all came together just perfectly like the original the original version of the the ghostbuster script was like them fighting ghosts in space like there there's is that right like there was the the ernie hudson role had been written for um uh what's his name eddie murphy i bet you anything eddie murphy and Eddie Murphy I think took a look at that and was like nope not doing this but like but the but I mean like it was a freak it was a freak of nature that that movie did the business it did and they've been trying to recreate that and they like say what you will about the 2016 Ghostbusters it's not a good movie but at the very least it is like working in a similar uh it's working it's working with a similar like level of absolute talent like people forget that melissa mccarthy was arguably the biggest movie star in the world for that stretch of time like she made a bunch of movies that made a ton of money yeah and you know and kristin wigg kristin wigg was very very which you know paul feig had made like two or three like shockingly well received and like high grossing movies and like that movie that movie flopped for a bunch of reasons like number one it was it just wasn't that good but also like it got wrapped up in a
JVL00:56:14bunch of political stuff and whatever but like uh you were in the thick of a toxic fandom this is
Sonny00:56:21this is doing it this this movie is doing a different thing entirely it is a a soft reboot sequel whatever but also b again it's a kid's movie this is a kid's movie and like as as a
Vic00:56:34kid's movie i think it works i think it basically works we'll see what happens the i remember in
Sonny00:56:38I bet this movie, I'm going to make a prediction here. I think this movie goes on to gross $180 million domestic. I'm going to throw that out there. Okay. Which would put it in the top five or six for the year.
Vic00:56:50I remember the original Ghostbusters in the theater. You know what? The ending, it had everybody feeling good. You know what I mean? You come out of that theater and you're like, yeah. It's the same feeling at the end of Back to the Future. It just ends on a great high note. It was great. Also, I want to mention, by the way, one thing people should do if you haven't, if you've never seen it there are people out there who have not seen you can go see it on youtube the ghostbusters video by ray parker jr is a fantastic very it's a time capsule because it's first of all can't do a video like the ghost me too's the the girl right she's me too by a ghost right because he's stalking her in in bed and then the other thing is what you see is uh it's interspersed with all of uh ivan reitman's friends and so you see them at their prime in their in their heydays chevy chase john candy danny devito terry gar they're all in they're all saying ghostbusters even valissa gilbert and then and al franken and then of course um my my favorite line from the song which we all know we can all say it at the same time yes go ahead we'll say it with the listeners boston makes me feel good there you go a great line to a great ghost busting ghostbusting that's what we're referring to uh okay any do you have any other ghostbuster thoughts
Sonny00:58:08i'm just excited that we finally got a good ghostbusters movie
Vic00:58:12i find it interesting every episode that we've done for the last four years how it's sort of unpredictable but it's usually two like and one hate every now and then it's three of us liking something but a lot of times you never know how it's going to work out each episode but this time we got two hates and one like yeah that's right that's right what did i say two likes and one hate yeah no two hates yeah are you usually it's two i think so but i mean it's usually it's rare that we're all in a yeah agreement and you never know who's going to be on whose side okay um i was
Sonny00:58:45surprised i was shocked i like this movie i i went into it expecting again i like the last 30 40
Vic00:58:51minutes but that was it uh okay um i have i have a uh a spirit of the week oh do you do sunny Actually, I see you're drinking something. What are you drinking?
Sonny00:59:01I'm drinking the Bliss Family Vineyards 2017 Cabernet Sauvignon.
JVL00:59:06Did you cash all of the Coors Light?
Sonny00:59:09I finished the Coors Light. You crushed them like Stephen King. Thank God. Giant garbage can of cans. This is like an $11 or $12 bottle. Those are the best ones.
Vic00:59:20If you could find a good bottle at that price, that's the king.
Sonny00:59:22So, yeah, it's like we had some salmon for dinner. I cracked it open. I was like, I might as well finish it.
Vic00:59:28Very nice. I got something. I was sent something. This is Peg Leg Porker Bourbon by Kerry Bringle. I'm going to read a little bit here. The only award-winning pit master in bourbon nature in the world. In 2016, Bringle founded Peg Leg Bourbon and its rich smoky notes, unmatched hickory charcoal favorite straight Tennessee bourbon. It's an award-winning bourbon. It can also be enjoyed by visiting his restaurant in Nashville, Tennessee. And if you can't find it, go to PegLegPorker.com. It's actually quite surprising. I was not expecting it to be this sort of eye-opening, but it was very nice. So there you go. Thank you for those people for sending that over. How do you hook that stuff up? I just get emails from people, from nice folks. They send me stuff, probably because, well, probably the book. Shoutouts. I have a shoutout, too. So we're busy here on this thing. Shout out to listener Amanda Lehman, who was debating with her husband, Charles Lehman, the quadrant score. Does Charles have a brother? I don't get it. Oh, very good. Very good. No. As in Charles Feinleman.
Sonny01:00:42Oh, is it formerly?
Vic01:00:44Yes. Yes. Of the Manhattan Institute. They had a discussion of how the quadrant score would have been for the 2001 movie Legally Blonde. I told him that the overall score would have been an A minus. The plot is an A plus. Kind of original. Don't question me on this. Don't question the quadrants. Your quadrants are bullshit and you know it. How dare you. Duration is A plus. Hour 36. They don't make movies like that anymore. Action violence is a C. Sex nudity is a B plus.
Sonny01:01:11How is it a C? How is the action violence a C?
JVL01:01:15She goes from twilight and full frontal to absolutely nothing.
Sonny01:01:20With a spoon?
JVL01:01:21Yes. Twilight. Oh, wait a minute. It's a Paul Newman movie. She's 18 years old, and she goes total full frontal on it.
Vic01:01:30Oh, because it's a PG-13 movie.
JVL01:01:31And then you get into Legally Blonde, and she's covered in pink taffeta, and you're like, yeah, B+.
Vic01:01:38She's a hot tub in a bikini. That gets a B+. Sonny, I'm with you. What is it? You people. Quadrants are a scam. Never question the quadrants. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Sonny01:01:48In this movie, we just watched Paul Rudd and Carrie Coon have sex on the ground. You don't see it.
Vic01:01:54They go down, and you don't see anything. They have sex on the ground, and you're like, ah, see. They're fully clothed. Give me the, what's her name, Coon, Carrie Coon, the legendary Carrie Coon. She's great. Put her in a bikini. She'll get a B+. Although she's ancient, even though she's very old.
Sonny01:02:11That's offensive. This is offensive, what you're doing right now. How dare you.
Vic01:02:16That is all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, compliments. Tweet us at SonnyPunch, at Victorina Mattis. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on Patreon. Just go to subbeacon.com. We're there. Tell your friends. Happy Thanksgiving. Until next time. I got one thing, but if you have something, you go instead. I got a thing. All right. no i'm just gonna go ahead uh this is very okay well jvl anything no go okay uh a friend of ours who will remain nameless uh was recently told me uh that uh he lives on a he lives on a street and the name of the street is larrow and i said well where does that come from and he says that a neighbor who has lived in that development all her life she knew the people who planned it and what happened was uh they got drunk and they made a joke she says that it was oral backwards and that's where they came up with the name laro and i told my friend it's a good thing you don't live on lana street you know you can't see me i'm raising my hands i'm raising my hands that was good three or four seconds this is this is the best kid-friendly show we've ever done
Sonny01:03:41I'm sure it's fine
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