#36. 'Black Widow'
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The hosts review Black Widow, Scarlett Johansson's long-delayed MCU solo outing, released simultaneously in theaters and on Disney+ Premier Access. Sonny says the plot did nothing for him but he loved the family stuff — the sister banter between Johansson and Florence Pugh, David Harbour's Red Guardian, and especially Ray Winstone's villain, who "can't hide his British accent" and plays like a Guy Ritchie gangster without the swearing; overall he'd rank it middle-of-the-pack for the MCU. JVL says he half-liked it while watching but soured within 24 hours, arguing the film owed a huge debt to The Bourne Identity but sanded off all the weight and violence, botched the Julia Louis-Dreyfus cameo casting, and — his biggest complaint — chickened out of making the movie actually about Yelena, the far better-written character who should have been the lead. Vic scores it roughly a Quadrant B-minus/C-plus, with plot a C, duration a C (it felt long), and violence/action an A-ish for the early fight choreography, undercut by CGI-overload space-station finale and one especially bad visual effect. The first third is the usual grab bag: Sonny recaps a recent DC trip and a scare from an IRS letter wrongly claiming he'd earned $200K in freelance income (actually $2K — a magazine's typo, now being sorted out via TurboTax's audit-defense service); JVL updates the group on friend "Flag" enduring his first colonoscopy prep; Vic recounts rewatching Crocodile Dundee and Arthur on TV; and JVL relays Ben Dreyfuss's viral theory that Quint, not the shark, killed fisherman Ben Gardner in Jaws and framed the shark for it — a theory Richard Dreyfuss reportedly found plausible when his son pitched it to him. There's also a detour into Black Widow's front-loaded, possibly panic-driven box office reveal ($80M theatrical plus a reported $60M from Premier Access rentals) and what it might mean for the future of theatrical releasing, plus a closing Vic bit ranking Russian accents in movies (Sam Neill to John Malkovich in Rounders) and a tease for a members-only bonus episode ranking the entire MCU.
From the show notes
This week, Sonny has a tax problem. Was the shark in JAWS framed ? And what did the guys think of BLACK WIDOW? All that and more on the latest Sub-Beacon! And, coming Monday: a special bonus episode! What's it about? You'll have to listen all the way until the end. It'll be a subscriber-exclusive forever, and we think you'll enjoy it.
Full transcript
Guest00:00:00"I tell people my sister moved out west. You're a science teacher. Your husband, he renovates houses. You're thinking about moving, but you're going to wait until the interest rates go down." "That's not my story. Before I was an Avenger, I made mistakes."
Vic00:00:30Sub-Beacon, a podcast on movies and pop culture hosted by Sonny BunchÜNDNISativity Hello and welcome to another edition of the Sub-Beacon. I'm Victor Matus along with Jonathan V Last and Sonny Bunch. Just a reminder, the Sub-Beacon is now available through Patreon. Go to subbeacon.com. You'll easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and don't forget about the Sub-Beacon merchandise store at tpublic.com.
Sonny00:00:57There's a sale this weekend. I got an email from T-Public saying there's a sale. So if you've been waiting. It reminds me, I gotta say, I got PayPal money coming your guys' way. People are buying the merch. Literally ones of dollars for each of us. Don't spend it all in one place, boys.
Vic00:01:11Whoever bought the mug, thank you. How are we doing? Sonny, good to see you. Good to see you. Recently, did you enjoy?
Sonny00:01:22In person, in the flesh.
Vic00:01:23In person, you looked well. You looked unchanged. Thank you. I understand you fluctuated. But you fluctuated. But you fluctuated back just in time.
Sonny00:01:31Well, I put on, during the pandemic, I put on some weight again and I lost some weight again. So, I mean, there was a point in the pandemic lockdown era where I was basically just eating ice cream and drinking bourbon. That was it. That was my diet for a little while.
Vic00:01:48Ice cream with bourbon is a great thing.
Sonny00:01:50My blood was coagulated, alcoholic, like a slushy.
Vic00:01:54Yes, your blood type is rocky road, as they say.
Sonny00:01:57Yeah, but anyway, it's back on track. It's back under control, fellas, back under control.
Vic00:02:02Did you miss the humidity? Is it like that in Texas?
Sonny00:02:06It's been a little bit humid this year in Dallas. A little humid, but not too bad. No, it was actually pretty pleasant in D.C. for the most part. It was actually a good weekend.
Vic00:02:15It was rare because it's horrendous again. So, yeah, you missed out.
Sonny00:02:20It was nice. I brought some good weather with me.
Vic00:02:22What else is happening with you? What's happening?
Sonny00:02:24So, fun story. I got a letter from the IRS.
Vic00:02:28Those are the worst, by the way, because before you open them, you don't know what it is. I mean, it's just already assumed the worst. You always assumed I always assumed it wasn't a good one.
Sonny00:02:37Wasn't a good. So I got a letter from the IRS.
JVL00:02:40I open it up. Dear Mr. Bunch, you gave highlights subscriptions to kids in a hospital.
Sonny00:02:46No, that was not it. That was not my receipt. It's not my receipt from my friend who I bought the highlights from. So I open up the letter and it says your your 1099s don't match the information that we have. We're here. You in 2019. This is not a 2020 issue. This is a 2019 issue. So in 2019, the IRS sent me a list of three 1099 MISC forms that did not did not match, which was weird to me. So I was like, OK, let me let me take a look. I went and looked. The first one actually matched perfectly for one of one of them. And I'm like, OK, I don't know why you don't have this. Maybe the maybe the like EIN was wrong or something. I don't know. The there was the second one, again, matched perfectly. It's like, again, not sure what's going on here. And the third one. I won't I'm not going to name I'm not going to name the freelance outlet for which this has happened. So just think of it as magazine A in your head. According to magazine A, I did two hundred thousand dollars worth of freelance work for them in. Two thousand and nineteen. Oh, you wrote a talk of the town item for the New Yorker. Apparently, apparently, according to very nice, very nice. According to this, according to this, this joke, that joke worked in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that doesn't work anymore. According according to this outlet, they sent they sent a ten ninety nine to the IRS stating that I had done two hundred thousand dollars worth of work for them. Now, I'm a man of extreme wealth. As you know, but I'm not that wealthy. I'm not, you know, doing two hundred thousand dollars of random work for some news outlet. No, I went back and I looked at the ten ninety nine because I still have myself all my tax forms, you know, because I'm a responsible citizen. Yeah. And I keep it all. I keep it all together. And I went and looked. I was like, nope, it's two thousand dollars. That's what I did. Two thousand dollars worth of work. So some some idiot somewhere put in the wrong amount of money. Now, luckily, luckily for me, I again, as a responsible person, I do. I use TurboTax. I do it myself. But I also I always get the audit protection, which is probably sure. I'm sure it's a scam. Someone's going to be like, how? Why would you waste your money? But this is exactly for this because it's like it's like an extra eighty dollars a year or whatever. And now I just give it all. I give it all to TurboTax. And they're like, yeah, this is somebody clearly made a mistake at magazine. A we're going to where you should email your editor. We'll get we'll get a new ten ninety nine sent in, but we'll send the letter to the to the IRS and everything. Allison, we'll figure out what's going on with these other ten ninety nines. It does. It's like clear that you still have you. You still have all the information. It's fine. You know, whatever. But I I have to I have to tell you that the the first guy I talked to was like, oh, yeah. So that means that means the IRS thinks you owe them one hundred ninety eight thousand dollars. And I was like, yes. Well, it wasn't. Oh, you owe taxes on one hundred ninety eight thousand dollars. But then he was like, yeah, with with paychecks. Yeah. With with penalties and interest, that's probably going to be like, I mean, you don't I mean, you don't have X amount of money in the bank, do you? I was like, well, I do. But I'm not you know, I don't want to write a check. He's like, no, no, no, you're not going to have to. We're going to we're going to figure all this out. We're going to figure all this out. But I was just like, it's just one of these things where it's like nightmare. It's it's it's one of these things where for like a minute you're like, I'm go. Am I am I going to prison? Right. Again, you assume the worst.
Vic00:06:24How did this happen? Do you find yourself like sweating? I get, you know, when I get like really like nervous about a situation like that, I'll find involuntarily I'll just break a sweat.
Sonny00:06:33I mean, luckily, luckily I had all I have all the documents right there. So I literally just went to my it's one of the few things that I actually have, like, done a good job. Think thankfully keeping records of his taxes. I just went to I went to the drawer with my taxes like, oh, yeah, no, this is all this is clearly a typo. On magazine A's part.
JVL00:06:51So so I you know, I've so I've had this happen to me twice before. Once it was the IRS, not the IRS. Once it was the employer's fault for doing exactly this, like adding a zero magazine. And once it was my fault, which is, you know, I was filing 19 different 1099 each for like three hundred dollars or something. And just, you know, one of them didn't get filed. And both times dealing with the IRS. Was super duper easy. Oh, once you got to talk to the person you needed to talk to. Yeah. And that took forever. Yeah. And so, you know, it was sending certified letters back and forth. And, you know, once once I finally got to the person to deal with, it was a five minute conversation. It was absolutely painless. And so this is why the audit defense stuff with TurboTax is absolutely worth it. Eighty bucks a year. How much is your time worth? So if this happens again, which for people like us who have a lot of freelance income because we're writers, this is like part of what we do, right? If you're a normal person that all you do is your income is a W-2 and that's it.
Sonny00:08:01You're filing a 1099 easy or something.
JVL00:08:04You don't need audit defense. But for people like us who who have a lot of freelance gigs, it's 80 bucks a year that somebody else will be the interface and make all of those phone calls back and forth to the IRS. Yeah, it's great.
Sonny00:08:17Yeah. So this is not spawn con for the record for TurboTax or anything. But, you know, I I have to say I was like, well, it's not settled yet. It's not it's not all done yet. So maybe I come back next week and I'm like, I'm burning TurboTax down to the ground.
JVL00:08:34I can't. But I think it's from what I can tell, it's going to be they're supposed to take care of it.
Sonny00:08:39So anyway, that's been my that was my like coming back from D.C. It was like, oh, a letter from the IRS.
Vic00:08:45Those envelopes are the worst. And then you judge it by the thickness of it. But, you know, hopefully it's then JVL.
JVL00:08:53I hesitate to do this, but I think we got to get a little serious for a moment. I would like to. So right now, as we are taping a very good friend of mine, I'm actually really close with you. You have probably met the two of you guys flagged Taylor. Oh, sure. Yeah. He's a very close personal friend of mine. He teaches communism. He's a professor of communism at Swarthmore College. And and I'm pretty sure it's Swarthmore and and any teaches communist studies there.
Vic00:09:20I think it's actually straighter. I think it's rare.
JVL00:09:24He he's of the age where he has his first colonoscopy tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Now he has just downed his first sixty four liter or sixty four ounce bottle of the stuff. And he has to set his set up an alarm for two a.m.. Is it the guy? No, no. It's it's like the prescription. The colon blow prescription strength kombucha is what it is, basically.
Vic00:09:48Forget it. I'm just and right now too much for me.
JVL00:09:51He is. We've been in contact. There have been some gifts sent back and forth. It's not it's not good. So, guys, just thoughts and prayers. Yes. Thoughts and prayers for flag. Absolutely. Because, well, you know, right now, is he is like lava flowing?
Vic00:10:12Is he is he going to be is he going to be awake for the procedure or completely out or like kind of awake?
JVL00:10:20All I know is every time I think about this stuff, I think about Chevy Chase and Fletch as he goes. Whoo. Did you time their doc? Yeah.
Vic00:10:32Yeah. He's the whole fist. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was that was that Fletch? That was that. That's Fletch. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. That is a that is a.
JVL00:10:41That's a thing. So you're going to you're going to like with all of your Christian science stuff. You know me. Yeah. You don't you don't take aspirin when you have a headache. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just you are not getting scoped.
Vic00:10:54Well, I don't know. I mean, I didn't I didn't. This is just a standard scope. Or is there a reason for the scope?
JVL00:11:01No. You turn 50. Yeah. OK. Well, my understanding is that you don't need to drink that.
Vic00:11:07Really? Are you really sure you have to do that stuff?
JVL00:11:10Do you understand how this works? Yeah. You need to know where it goes.
Vic00:11:14They do. But what do? Yes. So they just want it to be.
JVL00:11:17They're performing a visual inspection of the area. So you it needs to be uncluttered. It means to be cleaned or clean.
Vic00:11:26Oh, uncluttered. Uncluttered. Yeah. I'm pretty good in that department already. I'm just saying that I don't think I, you know, I'd say I stay away from, you know, people, you know, all these things that like, oh, it's good for fiber. You know, like that. It's like staying away from me. Cheerios. If I have Cheerios ten minutes, I got to go. That thing does not sit well with me. Cheerios blast through. It's like it's like that's like colon blow. You might want to.
Sonny00:11:53You might want to get one of these colonoscopies. No, I guess I. I like eating a bowl of Cheerios and all of a sudden, oh, I got to get out.
Vic00:12:00I got I got to stick with like a block of cheese. I got to be regular. Just to be reviewed. If I'm a ribeye, if I'm eating a ribeye or. Elvis Presley had the night before he died. Give that to me because I'm trying to slow myself down.
Sonny00:12:14If I'm not eating a whole fried chicken or one of those deep fried turkeys for breakfast. That's right. That's right. And whatever I put in my body comes right out.
Vic00:12:24Those bagels and cream cheese, man, that goes right through me. That goes right through me.
JVL00:12:27All right. Anyway, how are you, Victorino? Flag, we're thinking of you, buddy.
Vic00:12:30Yes. Yes. Thoughts and prayers. I'm doing fine.
JVL00:12:35I'll tell you, it was nice seeing you at a party.
Vic00:12:37Very rare, rare appearance by you. A rare appearance by you. I loved it. I had so much fun. I'm sure you did. Right. I'm sure. No, it was so great.
Sonny00:12:46I saw JBL at two separate parties this week. As a matter of fact, there was a happy hour as you saw me at the office. And then I saw that. And then I went to dinner with it. I did. I saw both of you separately and then together. It was great. And then and then at the at the at our friend's friend, Matt Cottonett. He's a birthday party. We were you were you were having a great time. You definitely weren't sitting by yourself in the corner.
Vic00:13:13I was like, who can't I? I was like, I had to talk to everybody. It was great. Was that you? Did you get elected king of the party? I'm pretty sure I did. Yes, it was. It was really nice. And then it just devolved after that. Yeah. As Sonny remembers, we closed down another bar and really was that necessary? Kate's like, it's twelve thirty. We need to go.
Sonny00:13:35And how 30 Brent Brentshire is like screaming at the top of his lungs. Yeah, I didn't know a nice hotel and a nice thing.
JVL00:13:43How about it? It just sounds like it just sounds. It's his normal way. He talks like this.
Vic00:13:47So, you know, it's McCormick's and McClain's and you guys and Continenti's. So it was a man had a great time. So happy birthday to him. Lovely time. The other night watched. So in the last couple of days, watch two movies, old movies. One was Crocodile Dundee, which was on AMC.
JVL00:14:09That's not a knife, right? OK.
Vic00:14:12And then the other one is Arthur. The funny thing is, they both are. I love Arthur. And the funny thing is, both of them heavy on like the prostitution hookers thing like this. And like, I think there was a certain stretch of movies in the 80s where you always had to have like hookers. You know what I mean? Like and there was like was full.
JVL00:14:28This is pre Giuliani, New York. Right. Right. Right. Full of hookers.
Sonny00:14:32That's why. That's right.
JVL00:14:33It was amazing. Right. The crocodile joke in the city.
Vic00:14:37I was like, he's a lot of hookers in these movies. And the crocodile Dundee thing is really interesting because that's later. It was eighty six. It was the magical year of eighty six, which was the same year as Ferris Bueller's Aliens, Top Gun and and some other great movies about last night. The greatest one of the great quadrant movies of all time. And and crack it on the crocodile Dundee. And the interesting thing about that. Movie is how really not great Linda Kozlowski is as an actress. And that was like it was in the beginning. It's and introducing Linda Kozlowski. And I don't know what else she did between that one and crocodile Dundee part two. And it's a crapshoot.
Sonny00:15:18Yeah. Introducing credit always, always.
Vic00:15:20Yes, that's right. You should do a whole thing on this, Sonny. The introducing. How did they do on the and introducing? Because, you know, they think this could be the big thing. It's funny for one. I believe she broke up Paul Hogan's marriage. Right. I think that was a story at the time and to her character. So she plays a journalist for Newsday. Remember New York Newsday? Oh, yeah. And they spent like gazillion dollars to send it to Australia and they paid him money. And then they flew him back and they put him up at the plaza, you know, just for like material. And it was that does not exist anymore.
Sonny00:15:57The golden the golden age. No. And I don't even know if news.
Vic00:16:00I don't think Newsday is around anymore. So I mean, they used to have they were known for the big ticker, but it was just a different world. It's still so I mean, it's weird because it's it's like almost half the movies actually in Australia. And then they do the New York thing and it's fish out of water and then whatever. It's a classic, but not quite the same classic as, say, I don't know, Jaws or something. Speaking of which, you brought it to our attention, Sonny or JVL, JVL, JVL. Tell us what's going on with Jaws.
JVL00:16:31So so Ben Dreyfuss is one of the very few people who I read who I think to myself, I would be friends with this guy in real life. If we knew each other, we'd be buddies. He is a commie writer, formerly of Mother Jones and I think MSNBC. He's the son of Richard Dreyfuss. And he has a sub stack now, which is outstanding. And he sent out this long essay that is basically his. His version of the empire is good. And he makes the case that in Jaws. The body count is wrong. So he says, you know, as you work through the body count of all the people, there's the girl killed in the first. Then there's the kid and the boy. And then there's this guy, Ben Gardner in bed. Gardner is a local fisherman. Who is the one who says he'll go out and get the shark for only $3,000 because Quint wants $10,000 to kill the shark. And when the Chief Brody and Richard Dreyfuss' character go out later at night, they find Ben Gardner's boat abandoned. And then Richard Dreyfuss puts on a scuba gear and goes under and they find the boat is impartially sunk and his head. The severed head is floating. It's the only really jump scare in the whole movie.
Vic00:18:01It is. Even though it's funny because it looked so fake.
JVL00:18:04But nevertheless.
Sonny00:18:05It's the only really gory part of the movie.
JVL00:18:07So what Ben says is that he's been thinking on this forever and that he does not believe that the shark killed Ben Gardner. First of all, he says, how is it that the head is left? Right? That doesn't make any sense. The shark comes. Why wouldn't the shark eat the head? Right. He eats all the body except for the head. The head gets lopped clean off. That doesn't work. But the other thing is that Richard Dreyfuss' character, while he's down there, finds a shark tooth, a great white shark tooth, sunken into the boat. And he brings this up as proof of, oh, look, this is what happened. However. However. The shark tooth is in the wrong way. The shark tooth has not been brought into. The dull part. The dull part is what's sticking out. It doesn't make any sense. And so Ben Dreyfuss says, I believe that Quint killed Ben Gardner and then framed the shark for the for the murder. But the best part is. Ben goes and tells this to his father. His father says, Yeah, yeah, actually, that could happen. Yeah, that makes sense. And in fact, during the shooting, they brought the tooth to Spielberg's attention and said, I don't know. And Spielberg just said, Yeah, yeah, don't just go with it. And so he thinks maybe this is this is the deepest Easter egg in Jaws. Leaving clues. Is that Quint murdered Ben Gardner.
Sonny00:19:49Right now, this is not to say that the shark is innocent. The shark has killed. The shark kills. Other people. Yeah. In life.
JVL00:19:57He's innocent of simply the Ben. The Ben Gardner murder.
Sonny00:19:59Yeah. And that Quint Quint Quint basically used this whole thing as an excuse to get rid of a guy who knew about his dark secrets. Yes.
JVL00:20:07Yes. Yes. Because Quint speaks Japanese.
Sonny00:20:10In a. And how do we know. In a scene that they shot but did not include in the final.
JVL00:20:15Right. So not in his sleep. He speaks Japanese. Why would he speak Japanese? He was never on mainland Japan. Unless. It's just fascinating. Everything about this is awesome. Victorino, did it not tickle you as much as it tickled me? I found it absolutely entertaining.
Vic00:20:35And as far as conspiracy theories go, much better than the ridiculous Internet conspiracies about cloak and dagger being the precursor to the Fight Club, for example, you know, and people can have a field day with this. But what? You know how the Henry Thomas is? Is Ed Norton, you know? And so it's this whole weird thing. It's this whole weird thing about the imaginary friends, the great Danny Coleman. And then, of course, Brad Pitt. And I mean, and it goes on at length, right? But this one, when he starts off, before he gets to the tooth, he has he he has a number of different theories about why he thinks that it was Quentin. Some of them are OK. It's circumstantial or it's interesting. We don't know. Maybe Ben Cardin used to knew something about him for the war, et cetera, et cetera. Also, I did not buy the whole thing about, you know, the shark having a personal thing, but I'm going directly for it. He eats anybody. You know, he tried to eat Richard Dreyfuss, you know, obviously. And so I thought. And although he's right about the it was the craziest thing about Jaws, the revenge Jaws for this time, that this time is because it follows you into the Bahamas. And that was with Mary Van Peebles, I believe. And the great Michael Caine, because the thing I remember about it is Michael Caine won the Academy Award for Hannah and her sisters. But was unable to accept the court because he was filming Jaws four in the Bahamas, you know. But again, like he said, these bread actors, they do anything, you know, they just do any any job. And then he gets to the part about the tooth. And I thought for me, that was it. Mind blown. And then when he brings to his father and Richard Dreyfuss pauses, thinks about it and has, you know, it was like a pregnant pause. It was like, yes, you know, go on. He says, go on. Or I can't say that he did not, you know. And so I loved it. I had a couple of questions. One is the next thing is he should ask Steven Spielberg because that's a great theory. And number two, is it in Peter Benchley's book? You know, how much detail is there about Quint and about Ben Gardner and that whole thing? Because that would be interesting. Think of it. There is think about the scene where I mean, it's he's capable of doing it, Quint. And he was he wanted that money. Remember, he destroys the radio. He was willing to kill everybody just to get the shark. And the other thing is, there's a scene there's a great scene where he throws down the machete onto the boat. And it's a great shot with the shimmering water. But he clearly knows how to wield that machete. That would you not want to be on the opposite end of that?
JVL00:23:05You could use a machete to, say, hack a dude's head off.
Vic00:23:09That's totally right. So the chum.
Guest00:23:12What about the chum argument? Yeah, I know what they like.
Vic00:23:16The chum is actually Ben Gardner. It could be. You can't say it's not. What did you think, Sonny?
Sonny00:23:25It's very funny. Now I'm just imagining Steven Spielberg getting asked this question on every stop of the West Side Story press tour.
JVL00:23:37According to Ben Dreyfuss, who was speaking to Richard Dreyfuss.
Sonny00:23:42He has a theory about Jaws. And I want this to happen. Just so after like the six or seven times Spielberg is like, yes, yes, the shark was framed. You damn right.
JVL00:23:55Say, Sonny, can you throw a link to that in the in the show notes?
Sonny00:23:59Sure. I think it's locked. I think you have to subscribe. I subscribe. It's good. I subscribe. I quite enjoy it.
JVL00:24:07Are you buddies with Ben?
Sonny00:24:09Yeah, we're friendly. We trade DMs. I actually met him once up in New York for drinks when one of the times I was up there. So do you think do you think he and I would like each other? I think you guys would probably get along OK.
JVL00:24:26I don't have to get rid of one of my existing friends.
Sonny00:24:29You'd have to you'd have to zero some game for you. You don't you don't want to have too many friends. So but you like he's he's definitely I like Ben a lot. He's definitely like he could be a little bit awkward. He can be a little, you know, like like all the rest of us. So I think but I think it'd be I think it'd be great. I think you guys would be fine.
JVL00:24:49Well, if flag doesn't make it then maybe I'll go and become friends with that. Well, this is true.
Sonny00:24:56You could have a spot opening up. You could, you know, I did not see a flag poops himself to death.
Vic00:25:04There's nothing left to give.
JVL00:25:06There's nothing left. He turns himself inside out.
Vic00:25:09That's right. I did not see jaw. That was too young for John. That was too young for jaws because that came out in 70 even for me. Shockingly, you know, I did see because I saw Star Wars in 77. But Jaws was a year before then. I saw King Kong in the theater and that was the King Kong.
Sonny00:25:28Wait, how old were you when Jaws came out? You were like four.
Vic00:25:30That was three. That was three.
Sonny00:25:32So I didn't get it. No. Although Jaws is rated PG.
Vic00:25:35Yeah. No, we would have had a chance to see it. We would have. We just didn't. You know, we were in transition.
Sonny00:25:42I saw I saw Jaws for the first time. I saw Jaws for the first time, like relatively recently, like within the last ten years, maybe ten years ago.
Vic00:25:48And I just remember you said, what do you mean you saw it for the first time?
Sonny00:25:53I saw it for the first time. I had never seen it until like ten years ago. What? Jaws? No, I just had never seen it. It was just like it was just, you know, an empty spot on my on my resume. I just I just had never gotten around to seeing it. So I finally watched it. So you were like twenty eight?
Vic00:26:08Were you already a movie reviewer? Probably like mid 20s.
Sonny00:26:13So maybe it was like 15 years. I don't know. But it was it was like it was what I was living in. It was what I was living in that basement apartment in D.C. So sometime between the age of like, I guess it has been a while now. I anyway, 15 years, let's say 15. OK, OK. But the but I remember the thing I remember thinking as I started watching this and as the like nude girl is swimming and getting murdered in the pool that you like, you can you can you can see her, you know, you can you can see it all. And like and like I was just like, wait, what is this rated? I thought this was PG. And I looked at I looked at the Netflix envelope or whatever, and I was like, holy shit, this is a PG movie. So she was great talking shocking to me.
Vic00:27:00PG was great back in the day. Now PG is PG is G now. But PG then was our thing. But 16. Thank you. Yes, JBL. Through 16 candles. There was there's gratuitous nudity in that movie. And like, you know, but it's not anymore. Not anymore. I don't know.
Sonny00:27:1913.
Vic00:27:20No, it's before PG 13. I'm pretty sure 16 counts. You can look it up. I don't know. I'm assuming it was PG. I saw Jaws three in 3D in the movie theater. And that was something that I think we had a discussion about this in the previous episode. So I'll skip that. But that was as we all. Yes, JBL.
JVL00:27:39Victorino. Yes. If Black Widow had been made in the era you're talking about, if this was yeah, there would have been there would have been more 78 movie and it was rated PG. How do you think it would have done on the quadrants? It would have done much better than it actually scored on the quadrant, speaking of which
Vic00:27:58this this week we're talking about Black Widow Starling starring Scarlett Johansson over the weekend. Black Widow netted netted. Yes, netted. 80 million dollars, followed by F nine with eleven point four and in third place, boss baby family business with baby to eight million box office thoughts.
Sonny00:28:23What's interesting about there? There are two interesting things about Black Widow. The first is that it was heavily front loaded at one point Friday night, Saturday morning. The projections had it playing out to about 90 million. Over the weekend. And instead it came in at 80 million, which is which suggests that it was very heavily front loaded. Lots of people went Thursday and Friday and then it did not hold as as the numbers suggested a movie of this type would now, whether or not that is whether or not it was just front loaded as like lots of things are kind of front loaded right now. There's a lot of people who are going to see things opening weekend and numbers are dropping very, very quickly and steeply after that. We've seen it. We've seen it both with F nine, which you would kind of expect because it's a bad movie and a quiet place to which had a big first weekend, a second weekend drop in is like held. Okay. After that has held very well actually after that. But the, you know, the, the theory, I mean, look, the working theory is the people who want to go to see movies are all going in the first weekend and the, you know, the, the likes aren't really there. But the, the second thing that is interesting about this about black widow's box office, black widow's box office this week is that Disney released the premier access numbers. So, so it is, it is also available on premier access and for the first time they let us know what those, so it's $30. I thought you were going to see it in the premier access. I did. You did. Okay. So it's $30. It's $30 to watch it at home. Uh, and, and basically what you're doing is you're unlocking it early. If you have Disney plus, like as long as you, you'll have access to it. Uh, before everybody else on, on Disney plus. Um, and it grows $60 million, uh, on Disney plus in the world. So in other words, 2 million people around the world, uh, paid $30 to watch this at home. 2 million households paid, uh, paid, paid $30 to watch this at home. Uh, which is interesting. Uh, w w there are all sorts of reasons you could speculate as to why they. Actually released these numbers. One, I think fair speculation is that, uh, the number, the week, the inner weekend drop, the, the Friday to Saturday to Sunday drop was so high and unexpected that they panicked a little bit and they said, well, we gotta make this look better. So we're going to toss in this $60 million of premier access, uh, money to make it. We can say, oh no, it was actually $140 million weekend. That's awesome. Not an unfair, not an unfair, uh, speculation. Yeah. Um, but I mean, the reason, the, the reason that they're showing us this is because they think it's a very good number and they think that it can be used to, um, bolster the idea that this is a winning business strategy. And if we, uh, if we see them do the same thing with Shang Shi and the eternals, which they have said, they are not going to, they've said that this is going to be theaters theatrical. We're committed to theatrical. Um, if they, if they changed their mind and do premier access for, uh, for those movies, I think you can basically start the countdown clock on theaters as a mass entertainment option. Okay. Um, because if Disney gets out of the theatrical game, Disney, which has, you know, 50 to 60, 70% of the box office in some years. Uh, if Disney is kind of wavering on this. The, the, the, the, the theatrical industry cannot survive, uh, really just as what it comes down to.
JVL00:32:09Well, Disney won't get out. Disney won't get out of the theatrical business until they have sucked the theatrical business dry. And so the first thing they'll do is up there already inflated percentage of the box office take. Right. And so releasing these numbers is a way of, uh, giving them more leverage when they go to renew. She ate with the exhibitors and, you know, it used to be a 50 50 split. Uh, then it was dependent upon the movie. Right. And now certain studios play much, much harder ball on this. And I expect that Disney is going to basically be demanding, like, you know, 75 cents of every dollar in the near future. Because if you are regal or AMC or really, what are you going to do? Are you going to tell Disney? No. Then we shall not show your movies in our cinemas. Mm hmm. Right.
Sonny00:33:04I mean, they're holding the car. I mean, the theaters are all screwed anyway, because they've let the they've let the window get so small now that I mean, A Quiet Place Two is out now on digital. It's on Paramount Plus. It's, you know, you can get it on Blu ray in a week or two here. And that's still in theaters. That's still the number four movie in the country or something like that. So, yeah, it's not great.
Vic00:33:27Not good. Thank you. Do you want to give us a big boy review of Black Widow?
Sonny00:33:33Black Widow. The MCU is back. It's your it's it's the latest installment of this adventures of the Avengers and Friends. This one is stars. This one starts. This one stars Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow. She's not dead anymore because we go back in time. And this is a prequel, really. It takes place in between Captain America Civil War. And Avengers Infinity War. And it is basically about her time off the grid. She reconnects with her family there in the opening moments. The opening moments is a bit like if you guys ever watched the FX show, the Americans. She's living in Ohio with a Russian family and they're spying on. They're trying to get some information out of a Ohio plant. Some, you know, some sort of that's right. Even the credits are American. And the credits are exactly the same. I really like the Americans, but like the historical figures with the black. I mean, it's like it's like if I were the guys who show ran the Americans, I would be like a little bit annoyed. Frankly, I'd be like, you know, that's you know, that's the you're ripping us off. But anyway, she has to she has to get back together with them because somebody is restarted the Black Widow program. The Black Widow pro. She thought she had shut it down, killed the guy, but the guy's not dead. And now she's got to get back together with her sister. She was killed by Florence Pugh, who was the evil girlfriend in Midsommar, as well as some other stuff. She they get together with the mom and dad. David Harbour plays Dad Red Guardian, who is basically the Russian version of Captain America, the only communist super soldier, I guess, except for. Well, I guess Red Skull was a Nazi, so that doesn't count. And then they they got a free. The widows. Look, here's the here's the thing about this movie is that I didn't care about anything that was happening in it. I didn't care. I didn't care about I didn't care about a single thing that was happening in it. But I did really enjoy all of the familial interactions, the kind of, you know, mom and dad playing house with the two sisters. Florence Pugh is very funny, kind of making fun of. There's this one very good scene where she's like, you know, why do you always do this? She kind of like flips her head up and poses. And and Scarlett Jane. It's like, what are you talking about? You know, why do you why do you do this? You're such a poser. Why are you why are you such a poser? And it's just like it's a very funny big sister, little sister stuff that I think works very well. Everything else in this movie does not work at all for me. I mean, down to the two villains. So the speaking seriously again about the plot for a moment. There is a character called the Taskmaster who is out trying to catch them. I have I know nothing about this character from the comics, so I have no idea what what they're doing. But in this movie, the character is designed to mimic all of the moves that other Avengers have done. That the Avengers, you know, this character Taskmaster studies the film. Right. And they and then they do the they do the moves like Captain America with the shield or Hawkeye with the arrow. But the problem with this is that it just makes the whole thing feel like a weak derivative version of everything we've seen before. It's not it's not exciting or interesting or new. It's just kind of blah. And, you know, again, it feels like a replay. It feels like things we've seen before. And the other villain in this is Ray Winstone, who plays the head of the widow program, who has been kidnapping these girls. And, you know, he gives this really sexist speech about like I've I'm using the world's only resource that we have too much of little girls. I was like, wow, that's really evil. You're an evil guy. You're and you're sexist to boot. That's two strikes against you, my friend. And. The problem, the problem with this character, whose name I don't remember, and I'm not going to look up is that Ray Winstone, Ray Winstone, Ray Winstone plays him like a British gangster. His his British accent.
Vic00:37:39He's not doing a Russian accent at all. His British accent.
Sonny00:37:42He like cannot he cannot hide his British accent, but he gives it like kind of a Russian patina. So it's like it is. It's like watching a Guy Ritchie character in an MCU movie, but one who can't curse at all. And it's just kind of like fat and slovenly and like play again. He's playing a bitch. He's a British gangster, except as a as a, you know, a Russian bureaucrat. Yeah, the movie is fine. I wouldn't say I was bored exactly while I was watching it, but it's not. It is not. It is not in the top half of the Marvel movies. I would put it in the bottom half, probably right in the middle of the pack. It's competent as all these things are. It has really good it. The actors are all, you know, Ray Winstone aside. The actors are all very good. I like Scarlett Johansson a lot. I like Florence Pugh a lot. I like David Harbour a lot. I like Rachel Weisz a lot who plays the who plays the mom in this. But man, I, I just I did not care. I did not care. And that's a problem. You should care about people in the movies. And I just didn't care. I didn't care.
Vic00:38:49Thank you for that. That's a very good point. You should care about people in the movies. You should care about the people in the movies you're watching. You should feel good or feel bad. You should feel something for them. I don't know. I like the payoffs and whatnot. JVL.
Sonny00:39:02Didn't do anything for me.
Vic00:39:03JVL.
JVL00:39:04What did you think about this Marvel movie? You know, I, I halfway liked it while I was watching it. Halfway. Halfway.
Vic00:39:12I'm half.
JVL00:39:13There are things to like about it. But in the 24 hours since I watched it, I've, I've really kind of soured on it. It didn't wear well. And because there are, there are just a bunch of. Problems with it. So. I mean the, the biggest one. Okay. I should start with this. My priors are that I have always wanted a black widow movie. And that this is not the black widow movie I wanted. I, I had two options for a black widow movie. I either wanted black widows mission impossible, which is a sort of balls out adult action movie in the vein of like mission impossible fallout or something. Or. I wanted. Marvel's lethal weapon where black widow and Clint Barton do buddy cop stuff as they go on a romp through like Budapest Budapest or something like that. Right. You know where they're cracking wise and having fun stuff together. I, I wanted black, a black widow show girls.
Vic00:40:11That's what I was hoping for. Black widow, triple X. Okay.
JVL00:40:14Yeah. Yeah. I, and so I didn't get another of those, but what they do give you has a bunch of pretty good ideas. Yeah. Pretty good ideas, but that are only half formed. And the best idea it has is the little sister, Yelena, who is the heart of this movie. She is except that the film doesn't go all the way of giving the movie to her and centering the movie around her, which is what it should have done because so Natasha Romanoff is going to live because we know when she dies and it's after this thing. And so all of the stakes are not about Natasha. The stakes are actually about, uh, is Yelena going to live or die? And then slightly less is Rachel vices, Melina, Melina, whatever, Melina. Are they gonna lift driver? It's all about the family. Are the fan and do they don't really put the other three family members into enough jeopardy to make you worry about them, which is what you have to do. That's where all the dramatic tension comes is from worrying about the family members.
Sonny00:41:19And the one, the one moment where they do kind of put. Yelena in danger is the worst bit of special effects in the entire movie where she's like, this is, this was fun. And then she shoves the stick into the like Lowe's backwards. I was like, that's I, when this happened in the movie theater, I was like, that's the worst effect I've ever seen.
Vic00:41:40That was something about the color of the light on her when she goes, it was, it was,
Sonny00:41:45it was really terrible. They had two years to fix that.
JVL00:41:49Well, but Yelena is also the, the other. Thing is, I mean, she's the locus of conflict in that because you care about whether she lives or dies, but also because she is the, the center of the family conflict as well, because she is the one who was abandoned by everybody, including Natasha, the trueness and, and she's the one who wants it all to be a family and wants it to come together. And so what I really wished the film had done. Was had the courage to make a black widow movie. That's not really about black. Widow where black widow is more of the, you know, a supporting character.
Vic00:42:25It would have been very interesting.
JVL00:42:27I just think that's the, the way to, if you're gonna do this movie, which is a movie about her family and what it was like growing up as black widow or whatnot, then it really needs to be about. About Yelena, who's a, who's, as I said, an interesting character, um, and is really interesting because she is, she is still a Russian, right. You know, by, by this point in time and, you know, two 2015 or. Or whenever this movie is set chronologically, uh, Natasha has been in the west so long that all the way down deep, she's still Russian, but you know, with everything else, she's basically a Westerner and Yelena is, is still very, you know, she has this great line, which is very, she's like, this would be a cool way to die. You know, which is just a very rushing double, you know, she's just fatalistic and thinks that everything's gonna end badly.
Vic00:43:16And she has a great line later when she's strapped to the gurney, she's this is not a cool way to die.
Sonny00:43:21And, and yeah, I, I, I just want a more character in the movie by far best written.
JVL00:43:26I mean, the movie should have been about her. She should be the lead.
Sonny00:43:30The reason, the reason she is essentially the lead for all the reasons you lay out here. And she is the best written character because she is the new black widow. I mean, she's gonna be in the next Disney plus series with, with whatever she's, she's gonna be in the series with Jeremy Renner. The teaser at the end is her with Julia, Julia, Louis Dreyfus, uh, who was reprising her role
JVL00:43:51in nails nails on a chalkboard.
Vic00:43:55What? It didn't match, but, uh, who is she supposed to be with?
Sonny00:43:59Who's nails on a chalkboard?
JVL00:44:00The Julia Louis Dreyfus in a superhero movie. Get her the fuck outta here. I love Julia Louis Dreyfus. I think she is maybe the most gifted comedian of her, uh, of her generation, but having Maggie Lizer showing up as like a, you know, Nick fury style, super duper heavy.
Vic00:44:21Those of us who are familiar with this stuff. Who is she?
Sonny00:44:25I, I don't even know who you, she's, she's, she's something I, I, somebody said she's madam Hydra, but I don't think that's exactly right. I don't know. I don't know. She's like, she is, she is, she shows up in, uh, the Falcon and the winter soldier as a, as, as JBL says, like kind of a behind the scenes, Nick fury type, you know, sending people on missions.
JVL00:44:46I am telling you that this, there are moments that you see. In mostly in film, not really TV where you have, again, it's not even good or bad actors, but just actors who are so horribly miscast that they just have the tone of the entire enterprise around them wrong. This is one of those. One of those moments.
Sonny00:45:09I'll start Ray Winston.
JVL00:45:11I love Ray Winston, but that's the care. Yeah, I think that's right. But I don't mean, so Ray Winston could have worked as a different character, right? Julia Louis-Dreyfus should be kept a million times. Million miles away from, from the superhero movies, right? It's just terrible. I mean, can we, can we just spend two minutes about the politics of the movie? Sure.
Vic00:45:31Sure. Which is interesting. Cause I, for some reason in my mind, I thought this movie was gonna take place during the cold war.
JVL00:45:38I forget how old Scarlett Johansson is. That really hurts it though. Doesn't it?
Sonny00:45:42Yeah.
JVL00:45:43That it's not having, having all of that, the Russian, you know, the, the, the American stuff happening post cold war. It takes a lot of the tension, right?
Sonny00:45:51Yeah. It doesn't make any sense.
JVL00:45:53It doesn't make any sense. I'll, I'll get the political stuff in a minute. Victorino, what did you, were you as down on this as I was? Yeah.
Vic00:45:58I, I, I liked it halfway through and I mean the first half I should say, I thought I had a strong start. Uh, my, I think it gets about a quadrant score of about a B minus C plus the plot is a C. I don't like, I don't like the skies is like mission impossible. So I think it's a cop out in the very end spoiler alert, which just happened here. I don't understand.
Sonny00:46:21Wait, wait. I actually, I actually have a question about that. Cause I couldn't remember JBL. Do you remember them using masks like that at any other point in, in Marvel? Yes. In the Marvel movies? Yes. When did that, when did that happen?
JVL00:46:32Black widow in fact uses that mask when she infiltrates, uh, at the end of civil war, I believe the, the tower with Robert Redford isn't Robert Redford at the end of civil war.
Sonny00:46:42Yeah. It's winter soldier, winter soldier, sorry.
JVL00:46:45End of winter soldier when they are bringing down Robert Redford.
Sonny00:46:48Really? Okay. I couldn't remember it. All right.
JVL00:46:52She's disguised as one of the council women. Oh, and it's like a digital disguise.
Vic00:46:58It's a digital disguise. Yeah.
JVL00:47:01This is why I'm saying it. I give years. Black widow mission impossible.
Vic00:47:04What year was this? Okay. Uh, duration is a C. That was a long movie. It felt long. Too long. Uh, violence in action was an A-ish. Uh, the fight scenes in the beginning, I thought were great between her and her, uh, between her, between Scarlet, uh, between, uh, Scarlett Johansson. Uh, Florence Pugh. I thought that was great. I'll be at a little derivative, uh, and, and well, I can't do the sex new thing cause it was a PG 30. Um, but it was like the Americans meets mission impossible meets the Incredibles meets born identity. There's brainwashing going on.
JVL00:47:36You know, so Victorino, can I just break in here because please, this, this film owes a very great deal to the born identity in terms of its action aesthetic. Oh yes. Except it is a sanitized version of that. Mm-hmm . And it is weird, right? If you're gonna go hard action, cause it's hard, it's hard edged, edged weapon combat and people hitting each other over the head with blunt, with dishes, blunt force, and
Sonny00:48:03then not have there be any physical that all, I think that's the worst of both worlds because
JVL00:48:10it leaves everything feeling weightless. Yes. Do you see, do you see what I'm saying?
Sonny00:48:15Like, yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. The opening, the opening fight in the kitchen living room that, that, that I thought worked fine. It's everything else. It felt weightless.
Vic00:48:24And then, and then for me, finally, when I just finally checked out, it was the, uh, uh, the end when, when the space station is crashing down and they're fighting and bouncing around and flying and everything else. And it was CGI overload. You know how I've been talking about this for many episodes now I'm so CGI to, to death. And that was CGI overload. And when she shoves that thing, uh, Sonny, as you mentioned the rod, what that rod into the intake.
Sonny00:48:51When they insert the rod into the hole, the hole, she takes it in there for that
Vic00:48:58quadrant. And, and then the effects were just terrible. The explosion, uh, explodes right in her face and she just like, woo, you know, oh, the
Sonny00:49:06worst. It's just the worst effect I've ever seen. I was just like that.
Vic00:49:09The idea of idiotic, the idea of a female army, the better female army, in my opinion, was an octopussy. I, I knew you were going to say that.
JVL00:49:21100% knew you were going to say that.
Vic00:49:23That was a, that was a female army then. Maude Adams and her son, Maude Adams. Don't mess with them, man. Don't mess with them. VJ Armitage paid the price.
Sonny00:49:31Okay. Go ahead. On, on the topic of the politics. Sorry, if we can get back to serious discussion on the topic of the politics of this movie and the timeframe in which it is set, what I didn't, I, what, what are all of these widows all over the world supposed to be doing even? Who are they? Like this guy is like, oh, tank stock markets and all blow up. Oil wells.
Vic00:49:52I'm like, who for? Why would you? You could stay in your little state above the earth. That's a lot of fuel. Yeah. That is a lot of fuel.
Sonny00:50:00Yeah. I, I like. The solar panels. I have no idea. It doesn't make, the idea of infiltrating all of these people into like positions of power or whatever is fine. But to what end? For who? I, like none of this really made any sense. I couldn't tell if he was just freelancing at this point or if he was, you know. Right. Doing it for mother Russia.
JVL00:50:19What was the. No. The answer for this, which is that that isn't important. What's important is the metaphor, right? I mean, this is a movie about abusive relationships. Yes. I, I, I understand all that.
Sonny00:50:32I mean, I like.
JVL00:50:33But it is not a thought through and this is, this is my complaint. So what I, I know you guys didn't, but I really liked birds of prey. I thought birds of prey was great. It's a, a very feminist movie. It's about toxic masculinity, but has like interesting Harley Quinn movie. Yeah. Yeah. It has interesting things to say about it. But in a sort of weird off kilter way, this is the most paint by numbers, you know, it's, it's like, so it's about abusive relationships in which the men literally control the women with a, with an iPad and in which the women can't fight back to, to protect themselves because of pheromones. And that's the point I just thought to myself, I, I actually am all for like a movie about abusive relationships. But you, you need to, you need to do a little bit better on the central metaphor, right? I mean, this is, this is too lazy to work.
Vic00:51:30Also, if I, if I had the power to control pheromones, I would not use it for those nefarious purposes. You don't care at all about the stock market? No, no, no nefarious, but not in that way. Um, I, okay, uh, one tickets to Hogwarts, please. Oh, terrible. No, uh, I did, I thought it was a good cast, you know, Ray Winstone, you know, where I like Ray Winstone. And, and, and not in kingdom of the crystal skull, if you were thinking I was going to say that, but rather in, uh, yes, the departed, he's great. That's best memory. And, uh, and he, he has a sort of Boston Irish ish accent there that, that worked for me. This was weird. Did you all recognize Olya Curaleco from another previous episode?
Sonny00:52:12There's just a very, there's a very funny thing that she is the silent, she's the only person who can speak with an actual Russian accent and the whole movie is silent.
Vic00:52:21Yeah. It's one of the greatest insults since Scarface when it's like only the, the, the, the, you know, the, the, uh, the second actors are the second hand actors are the ones who are, who are Hispanic. Everybody else is like Italian. Uh, and, uh, also it doesn't, it doesn't speak well of black widow that she was on a mission to kill. Oh, his name is Dracov, uh, to kill Dracov and collateral damage daughter. And she kills neither. It turns out cause explosions don't do that.
Sonny00:52:48It's not very good at her job.
Vic00:52:50He actually be honest. Off off.
JVL00:52:52Apparently not, not bad. You know, I, I gotta say, I, I am a huge Scar Joe fan. I just, I love her. I think that she and Anne Hathaway are the two most gifted actors of their generation. Uh, I love her and everything she does. She has a very, very low center of gravity as an actor. You know, she, what she does isn't very showy, but it's always built on these real foundations for the character. I don't think this was her best work. No. No. Is it okay to say that?
Vic00:53:19Yes. We all know she wasn't bad. We all know what her, we all know what her best work is in good company.
Sonny00:53:25Uh, no, I mean, you haven't, well, you haven't seen under the skin.
JVL00:53:29Okay. Added to my list. Dailymotion.com. Thank you. That's where you can, you can rent the whole movie on dailymotion.com. Sorry. That's what I meant.
Vic00:53:39I okay. More thoughts, more thoughts on black widow.
JVL00:53:42No, no, I, I, I created a ranking. Oh yeah. Hey, you know, I have one thought before we go to your ranking. Yes. That's what everybody wants. Please. I think you're crazy about the, uh, the Malia J cover of smells like teen spirit that overlays the opening sequence, which is great and very haunting, except that it's not really a cover of smells like teen spirit. It's a cover of the Tori Amos cover of smells like teen spirit, which I think nobody remembers. She released an EP in 1992, which was, had two covers and it was, uh, smells like teen spirit. Angie.
Vic00:54:22Oh yeah. Like both.
JVL00:54:24Yeah. The Rolling Stones. Angie. It's like a weird haunting, you know, it's very dated. It's from the, the, the, the girl with a piano era of alt music, alt rock. But uh, like this thing is, if you were to listen to the Tori Amos cover of it, you'd be like, oh, oh, she's just trying to sound like, like Tori Amos did.
Sonny00:54:44Also this version of smells like teen spirit sucked anyway, it was annoying and bad. And yeah, I wouldn't go that far. It was a, it was a distraction from, I know I hate, I hate it when I hate, I, it is, it's up that whole genre of like, we're going to do like a sad, slow version of the song for the trailer, but except it was in the actual movie, I would've hated it less if it was in the trailer. Just put it in the trailer.
Vic00:55:06And then never to be heard again, but only the trailer and then people go, Hey, where did that song go? It is gone. No. Okay. I saw Tori Amos, uh, in concert in Vienna. Really? Uh, yeah.
JVL00:55:18Cause I was trying to impress a girl, I was going to say, were you trying to get in somebody 's pants? I really loved Tori Amos' music. It really speaks to me about culture.
Vic00:55:28Icicle. Okay. Uh, my ranking here, have a drink. Hey. Oh, when you come back, your trick will be ready for you when you come back. Thank you. Uh, uh, my, my ranking is, uh, ready for this Russian accents in movies from most subtle to least subtle. I know already what JBL knows is the number one is okay. Number five, most subtle to least subtle Russian accents in movies. Number five, Sam Neill in hunt for red October. He's so good in this. And even though he's Australian, when he says, I wish I would have liked to see Montana and the rabbits. I just love it. It's just the right amount. You're going to be surprised by number four, Brigitte Nielsen in Rocky four. Why would I say that she actually not did a, did a pretty good job. You're like, why, why not? Why not? Ivan Drago? Why not? Dolph Lundgren? Well, if he spoke a, he, I would have something to measure it against, but obviously he doesn't really talk. Um, and also Brigitte Nielsen much better w as a Russian than she was as speaking in English in, in Cobra. Okay. Number three, Robin Williams in, uh, Moscow on the Hudson. Uh, he works very hard at his roles. He goes, but he, but Robin Williams is always in many ways over the top, even when he tries not to be, and it's like sort of Russian, but over the top, it's a little bit of both. Slightly bit much. Number two, Kate Blanchett and kingdom of the crystal skulls. Okay. She's got the hair, the sword mind reading. I want to know what's going on it. What is going on? That's what I want to know. Okay. And the number one is John Malkovich and rounders. Go ahead.
JVL00:57:09JVL. Sonny.
Sonny00:57:11Check your texts.
JVL00:57:12I saw. I saw. Okay. Because I, while Victorino was talking, I texted both of you that he was going to say, number one is John Malkovich. What's his great line? I'm fucking you with your own money, the man is money, the man is money.
Vic00:57:29It was as out of control as the outfit. That's the track suit honorable mentioned by the way, Viggo Mortensen and Eastern promises, which I thought he was great. And Eastern promises did really well on the quadrants. I know what some of you saying there was some male nudity in there. Yes, it's true, but it is Viggo Mortensen.
JVL00:57:48Okay. Correct.
Vic00:57:50Corrections.
Sonny00:57:51I was learning something about Vick today. Hey, just hashtag just saying like every time you go and we, everybody swings, you know, both ways.
Vic00:57:59So to speak, uh, corrections and shout outs, uh, we forgot to mention our being mentioned in a car crash video, Sonny, what was this?
Sonny00:58:10Oh yeah. Yeah. That was, that was, uh, there, there was, uh, you know, people put together these compilations of, you know, terrible drivers, uh, getting in accidents and stuff and are seeing other people get in accidents. Yeah. And one of the people who's listening to Sub-Beacon, Vick Mattis makes a, makes an appearance
JVL00:58:26JVL.
Sonny00:58:27And JVL. And JVL.
JVL00:58:29And JVL, not me. Of course. But they were, they were filming the bad driver. Our listener was filming.
Vic00:58:33They were not the bad driver. They were not the bad driver. Our listener was filming. I could not even figure out what episode it was. It just, it's so. Too short. We've done so many. Okay. That's all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, compliments. Tweet us @SonnyBunch, @VictorinoMattus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on Patreon. Just go to subbeacon.com. We're there. We're friends. Until next time.
?00:58:54Anything?
Sonny00:58:55Sonny, do you want to tell people what we're doing? Yeah. So we're, we're going to have a, we're going to have a special bonus members only episode. We're going to actually tape it here in a minute. But it's going to be, we're going to be ranking all of the MCU movies and we're not coming with our own rankings. We're not, you know, going to read down 22 to zero or whatever the, whatever the total is. Now, at this point we're going to, we're going to vote internally. We're going to come up with the official Canon Sub-Beacon rankings of the Marvel cinematic universe right, right live in front of a front of God and everyone else. So you'll be, you'll see, you'll see what we think and see what we think. So that'll be fun. But again, it's going to be, you know, we've been putting the shows back on back on iTunes and people have been, people have been listening there but we want to, we want to make sure that we give people, you know, who are, who are paying for the show, something a little bit extra in addition to getting it ahead of everybody who's getting it for free. You know, we would give you some, some bonus content. So that's what we're going to, I have no idea how long this is going to take. I mentioned this to the guys before we started the show, they're going to be getting this sleep at like midnight tonight. So because just shaking his head, he's like things I do better than being at a party better
JVL01:00:15than being at a party.
Sonny01:00:16So anyway, we're going to, we're going to tape, we're going to bang that out here in a second. So I think that's going to be. Uh, for this, are we going to assure it's fine or is it fine? Yeah, I'm sure it's fine.
?01:00:26Okay.
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