#29. 'The Woman in the Window'
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The main title is The Woman in the Window (Netflix), Joe Wright's troubled adaptation of A.J. Finn's (Daniel Mallory's) bestseller with Amy Adams and Gary Oldman, dumped to streaming after reshoots and delays — and the hosts split, again. Sonny picked it precisely as a fascinating disaster and confesses he watched it twice: it's bad, pure camp, "Joe Wright doing Brian De Palma doing Hitchcock" (split-diopter shots, a climax staged like a Broadway play), but he found it weirdly compelling and never boring, unlike the interminable Cruella, and singles out Wyatt Russell as genuinely good. JVL hated it — a terrible book filmed faithfully beat-for-beat, which he only survived by watching at 1.5x speed on Netflix — and insists it fails even as a train wreck because nothing crazy or wrong actually happens; he drags up their old Daniel Mallory episode and Sonny's "McDonald's principle" defense of the bestseller. Vic lands on a B-minus/C-plus (plot C, duration A+ — which JVL rejects, arguing an A+ demands under 80 minutes — violence A+ for the hand-rake-to-the-face, sex/nudity F), and he and Sonny spend a long stretch untangling the plot holes around the twist that Oldman's son is the real wannabe serial killer. The opening covers Sonny's theory of podcasting (narrative podcasts compete with audiobooks and lose; dudes-chatting podcasts compete with talk radio); JVL's rapturous first week with his new Peloton and his crush on British instructor Leanne (complete with a suspiciously personal cameo-style video); Vic broadcasting from the living room because his visiting dad has the guest room; and a melancholy riff on the Friends reunion and a Kids in the Hall reunion still, i.e. "time is slowly turning us all into monsters." It closes with Vic getting asked at the supermarket whether he qualifies for the 65-and-over discount and desperately hoping it was racism rather than age — capped with "I'm sure it's fine."
From the show notes
This week's episode is on The Woman in the Window , the best selling novel turned into a film written by playwright Tracy Letts, starring Oscar nominees like Amy Adams and Oscar winners like Gary Oldman, and directed by Joe Wright ( Atonement , Darkest Hour , Hanna ) that is, nevertheless, something of a disaster. Dumped to Netflix, recut, released without much fanfare, etc, etc. But is it at least an interesting disaster?
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Guest00:00:009-1-1 My neighbor Jane, she's been stabbed Detective Little in my PD. Where's Jane? Mr. Russell believes that you made a mistake. You have never met my wife Ma'am, you alright? I know Jane. Jane's been in my house. I'm Jane Russell
Vic00:00:30Hello and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon. I'm Victor Matus along with Jonathan V Last and Sonny Bunch Just a reminder The Sub-Beacon is now available through Patreon. Go to subbeacon.com You will easily find us. Please subscribe, tell your friends and don't forget about The Sub-Beacon merchandise store at tpublic.com
Sonny00:00:52There's a sale going on. Oh, tell us about the sale. What's happening there? I don't know. Maybe there's 30% off. Oh, that's a big deal. I don't know about that. I don't know. I would say 10%. Just go check the store. They constantly have sales. If you pay full price at T-Public, you're a sucker. Go, you know, just wait for one of those sales. Sonny, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. Can we talk a little bit of podcast theory for a second? Sure. Theory of podcasting. So I, as you guys know, as I mentioned on the show, gyms are open again. I'm going back to the, or gyms have been open, but now that I'm vaccinated, I'm going back to the gyms. I'm going back to the gym, which means that I have renewed my Audible subscription to Amazon because I, that's what, when I am, when I'm working out, I like to listen to audio books rather than music or podcasts. Endorse. And, and here's, so I, I, I, I got into a little bit of trouble the other day because I mentioned on, on Twitter that I, so there, there, there are two different kinds of podcasts, right? You have dudes chat and podcasts and you have like narrative podcasts and then you also have like long form interview podcasts and I, I think that kind of falls under the specter of dudes chatting.
Vic00:02:09Like in search of Richard Simmons, for example.
Sonny00:02:12Right. So there were, somebody, somebody on, on Twitter was like, you know, it's weird that people spend so much, people spend hours and hours and hours on these narrative podcasts and you know, they're real hit or miss, you know, sometimes a million people listen to them and sometimes like five people listen to them, but, and, and yet meanwhile, these people who in no effort at all, you know, they just rack up tons and tons of listeners and I, I was saying that and I, what, what, what occurs to me as somebody who frankly does not listen to a lot of podcasts, I know this gets me into trouble with, with some of our friends, you know, because they're like, uh, why aren't you listening to my podcast? I'm like, I don't listen to any podcasts. It's not, nothing personal. I just don't really listen to them. Um, the, there, there's a big, there, there, the two different types of podcasts are competing against two different. Uh, market segments, right? So the narrative long form podcasts are competing essentially against audio books. You are, you are, you have a 10 hour story that plays out over 10 episodes of a podcast or whatever, and that's competing against, uh, an audio book. And then you have the dudes chatting podcasts, which are essentially competing against talk radio. Uh, they're essentially competing against morning zoo or, you know, or maybe political talk radio, or it depends. But the, the reason that the, the, uh. The audio books are better than the long form podcast is because audio books are just a superior format there. It's it's just the, the stuff is more deeply researched. It's like an actual book. You're getting a narrative, uh, and it's produced and et cetera, et cetera. And like granted again, long form podcasts, some of them are very good at that. Some of them are very well produced, et cetera. Um, but with the, with the, the dudes chatting style podcasts, you, you basically have an inferior art form. You have an inferior mode. Of communication, which is talk radio, which is constantly interrupted by advertisements, which is, you know, very hit or miss very, you know, you, you, it's, it's so personality dependent, um, that you, you can find something more easily suited to your personality in the world of podcasts. Or am I totally wrong here? Am I, am I like, I think you're wrong. Okay. I'm honestly curious because I, I, again, I don't listen to a ton of podcasts, so maybe I'm my, my theory.
Vic00:04:29Yeah. What is your, what is your question that, that you're wondering whether that's an accurate analogy? Yeah. I, I'm, I'm curious.
JVL00:04:36Us versus Morning Zoo. Right. I mean, I, I. So shows like ours show in general, the, the dudes chatting podcasts are all as a listener. They're about having relationships with other people, right? I mean, people are, you are in dialogue with the show, whether you are actually close to the show in the way that we are close to most of our listeners and, you know, again, I have had the people who listen to the show sleep over in my house. I sometimes have them sleep at my beach house. Um, so it's like that, even if you don't actually have a relationship, even if the show is so big that you, but you feel like, you know, Howard Stern, right? Right. Or you feel like, you know, the Morning Zoo guys, whereas the, the long form nonfiction shows are, they're just, they're, they're documentaries, right? And because they are finite, right? It's a, you are consuming. A set piece of it. There is no relationship to it. It's it's the same as reading a single long form magazine article or watching a docu series. And they're just two totally different types of relationship with the medium.
Sonny00:05:42Sure. Sure. But my, my point is if you give me, if you give me two options, if you're like, here, you can listen to this long form podcast or this audio book, I'm going to take the audio book.
JVL00:05:5190% of the time, if one exists of the same topic, you're right.
Sonny00:05:54If they're, if they're, if it's the same topic, right.
JVL00:05:56But it's not fair. Cause you don't listen to any podcasts.
Sonny00:05:59Yeah. Well, I mean, no, but that's true. I mean, that's true. This is why I'm asking.
Vic00:06:03This is why I'm asking. I like. I'll have, for example, again, I I'm the same way, Sonny. I don't listen to podcasts. Well, I don't listen to podcasts, you know, or books or books. I don't listen to books.
JVL00:06:13You just listen to your own head when you're running.
Vic00:06:16That's it. No, I'll pray. I'll pray. Get some meditation going. But, uh, you know, one that I did listen to was the Chernobyl podcast, uh, and that is a set, you know, and I thought it was really interesting, but at the end of it, it's the same thing. But you're right. It is different.
Sonny00:06:32It's not the same feeling. I read. I read. I listened to, I listened to an audio book about Chernobyl. There was an, there was a Chernobyl audio book that I listened to when the HBO series was out and I was like, oh, that's, that's, I think that's what I will listen to instead of the podcast. And it was like deeply researched and, you know, doesn't that suddenly this is, this
JVL00:06:49is like the difference between books and magazine articles, right? If you, if you could read a book about Chernobyl versus reading a 10,000 word magazine article about Chernobyl, the more edifying. Experience is going to be the book, right? I mean, it's just different, different mediums.
Vic00:07:04If I live, if I did audio books, maybe, but you know, it's, uh, uh, the Chernobyl one was, uh, it was hosted by the director or the producer, so, oh, so that was like the
Sonny00:07:16official HBO. Yeah.
Vic00:07:18Chernobyl. Right. Cause I was watching it concurrently. So then they would do episode by episode, which is not obviously the audio book.
Sonny00:07:24Yeah. Uh, anyway, I, I was just curious because I, again, I like, I, I, uh. And back to the gym. Now I am listening to books again and I was, I was thinking like, ah, maybe I should listen to some podcasts. I was like, no, we're just going to keep listening to my books.
JVL00:07:38There's a new Andy Weir book out.
Sonny00:07:40I saw that. I saw that.
JVL00:07:42Uh, Brian turned me onto it and, uh, and I'm listening to it now about a third of the way through. Is it good? It's great. It's, it's the Bourne identity. If Jason Bourne was a physicist instead of a. A military contract killer.
Sonny00:08:03Here's another weird thing about, I'm going to bring this back to me. Here's another weird thing about me. I've never heard of Andy Weir. Is he like Clive Cussler? He's the guy who did the Martian.
Vic00:08:09He wrote the Martian.
Sonny00:08:10Um. The movie? You remember?
Vic00:08:13Well, it was based on a book.
Sonny00:08:15What? It was, it was hugely popular, independently sold book. All right. If you say so. Uh, I do not listen to.
JVL00:08:23With Bill Bixby?
Sonny00:08:25That Martian?
JVL00:08:26That's a good one. I do not.
Sonny00:08:28Ray Walston. Nonfiction audio books. I only lit, I pretty, I almost exclusively only listened to nonfiction audio books, uh, because I find, I, I like to be able to picture the people's voices in my head. I don't know.
JVL00:08:43It's like a weird. Yes. We've had this conversation. I'm, I'm the exact opposite. I will. I refuse to listen to nonfiction audio books. I only listen to fiction. That's really interesting. And it's because I can't, I don't process the audio books as well as I do when I read, read. Yes. And if it's a nonfiction. Then I presume that I need to understand it and retain it. And so I, I just can't listen to it.
Vic00:09:05But when you're reading a book, you also thinking in the, you, when you, you, you, you've picked your voice, you have the voices right in your head or no, no, not me.
JVL00:09:12Maybe you do Victorino.
Vic00:09:13I, you know, I mean, it depends on what the book is. So like, obviously not the guns of August, although everybody seemed to have a German accent in my head. Uh, I would say, uh, the bonfire, the vanities is a problem in the sense that I can't help but think of Tom Hanks as Sherman McCoy. Or whoever, you know, and because it wasn't a great movie, uh, and in fact I hadn't, I only saw it once years and years ago when it came out, obviously I was young and I hadn't read the book, but I cannot imagine now reading the book that the, that the movie even skimmed the surface. I don't know what the reactions were at the time though.
JVL00:09:46Do you? Bonfire? The vanities? Yeah. The movie reactions to the book or to the movie? The movie. Yeah. One of the worst received movies ever.
Vic00:09:54There's, there's an entire, there's a whole book written about how big of a disaster it
JVL00:09:58was. Absolutely. It's fantastic. And my favorite of all of the many, many anecdotes in it is they're trying to figure out who to get to play Sherman McCoy's mistress and the part has been written down to the level of nothing. So that all, all this character does is take off her top and then go bottomless where she hops on a photocopier and photocopies her, her lady business. And the Brian De Palma is sitting around with the producers. Trying to figure out who can we get to do this because this is the most demeaning, uh, the most demeaning thing in the world. No self-respecting actress would take this part. And one of the producers says, Kim Cattrall, get naked at the drop of a hat. Just get her. That's terrible. Was it? Did they get her?
Vic00:10:48Yes. Oh, that's terrible. That's terrible. She was in mannequin. She's, she's very good.
Sonny00:10:53Which is better? Which is better? Uh, devil's no, no devil's candy or final cut.
JVL00:10:59They're both amazing. Don't make me choose between them. What was final cut about?
Sonny00:11:06Gun to your head. Final cut. So final cut is the story of Heaven's Gate. Yeah.
JVL00:11:11But it's also because it's all the end of an entire studio because it's right.
Sonny00:11:16Final cut's also really interesting because it's this whole story of United artists.
JVL00:11:19Yes.
Sonny00:11:20And that culminates in the dissolution of the studio because Heaven's Gate was such
JVL00:11:24a disaster. Well, and the, the, the reason if you put a gun to my head is that, uh, I believe, uh, uh, had devil's candies read, but is written by Judy Bacharach, who I believe was the wall street journal reporter at the time, heaven's the, the Heaven's Gate book was written by the guy who was the number two at United artists who greenlit the movie. Okay. And so Steven Bach, Steven Bach. And so Steven Bach is, is an actual player in the entire thing and a character. And it's, uh, it's amazing. Anybody who likes disaster porn, especially Hollywood disaster porn should go read that.
Sonny00:11:59Really, really good book. I think it's back in print. It was out of print for a little while, but I think it's back in print now.
Vic00:12:03I'll add that to my list of books to read in 2022 JVL.
JVL00:12:09What is going on? I got my Peloton.
Vic00:12:12Hey, congratulations. What is it like? Yeah. What is it like? And how often are you, uh, are you on it right now? I can't tell.
JVL00:12:21I'm, I'm not on it right now. I'm, I'm on it all the time. I love it so much. That's good.
Vic00:12:26That's, that's, that's, that's the point.
JVL00:12:27Got a lot of followers. Got a lot of followers on Peloton. You got a whole army JVL's army. Anybody who's listening to this show who would like to come and hang out with me on Peloton? My, uh, my username is just the JVL, the underscore JVL, you can just come and follow me question.
Sonny00:12:48What happens if you follow somebody on Peloton, do you just, does it just keep track of their stats? Do you guys, do they get like an alert that says like, I'm on now JVL's on, we gotta get on.
JVL00:12:59My bike is on. But when you, when you hop on, right? So if you hop on your bike, if you look at your little circle of friends, you could see who is exercising right now or what class they're doing. You can, uh, so if I'm going to be on, you can organize rides for your friends. So for instance, so Chris, best friend, Chris, uh, he and I will do this where I'll say, we'll say, Hey, let's do a ride tomorrow at like 11:00 and I will organize the ride and send an invite. And I can send one either right to him to come and hop on and we'll, we'll ride together or. I could send it to all of my people or to all the people who follow my hashtag hashtag bulwark and, uh, and we could all ride together. You can do, they have like FaceTime video chat within the thing I was going to say,
Vic00:13:42can you see each other? Is that an option? Then you're all biking together.
JVL00:13:45I think you can only do it if it's one person. I think it's only one on one. And so like Chris and I treated this as like just hanging out and catching up while we're biking together.
Sonny00:13:55It was fantastic.
JVL00:13:56Wow. Fantastic. So how do you, how do you have the breath? How do you, I mean, I'm not killing myself yet.
Sonny00:14:05I would be, I would be out of breath very quickly.
Vic00:14:07So do you think like when you're wrong with Chris, it's just audio. You'll talk to him. Like you could do either audio or, or video and you'll see each other like this. You'll see each other like this then.
Sonny00:14:18Is that how it works? So it's like a video screen in the actual like dashboard of the, it's just like the,
JVL00:14:24the, the screen of your laptop where there's a camera built into the top of it. Yeah. You can choose to see each other or to not see each other and just have audio. You said it's only the video only works one-on-one. I believe so. Oh, that's interesting. You have to pick. And, uh, and you can't thank goodness. The instructors can't see you because that would, if, if Leanne could have seen Chris and I, while we were working out with her, she is, I want to say the British Jess King. Maybe. Yeah. Imagine all of the amazingness of Emma Lovewell. And Jess King. And what? With a British accent. Oh. One day. One day I'll get back on that Peloton. And, uh, and so, so this is fantastic. So Peloton is such a cult that I got an email from them today, because today was my one week anniversary and they have clearly tracked which instructor I have written with the most. And they sent me a personal message from her, a video message.
Sonny00:15:20Oh, come on.
JVL00:15:21And it is shot like a cameo, you know, where it's like them. They're not in the Peloton studio. She's at home, like hanging out. Yeah. And it is so casual to you, like specifically to you. So no, it's not to me specifically, but it is an encouragement thing.
Sonny00:15:39It is shot so that I would bet half the people who get this think it was done individually
JVL00:15:46to that. I would, I would. It's so totally nothing about this feels like it's been there, you know, for free. It's amazing. It's great. Everybody should have a Peloton. Wow.
Vic00:15:58Listen to that. Okay.
JVL00:16:00Victorino Victorino, you gotta do it, man.
Vic00:16:04I know I gotta get back into the, uh, the inside gym. I'm still running. We can work out together. We can work out together when you're in the Peloton.
JVL00:16:11Don't know about that.
Sonny00:16:13Uh, yeah. We could do a live Peloton show.
JVL00:16:16I mean, look, I got all these, all these bulwark readers who were super excited when I had mentioned on the, the secret podcast that I was gonna get a Peloton. They're like, we gotta have fried together and they've all, we're all now like Peloton buddies. And, uh, they want to do like a Saturday morning ride that I organize or something. And so you just, you know, you all pop up on the leaderboard together. You could see each other while you see each other's stats, your stats, right?
Sonny00:16:41While you, are there little avatars like on the course? Oh no, no.
Vic00:16:45Cause you're not, you're not doing, that's the old, that's the old, uh, um, treadmill at the gym. I don't know if you ever did that one. You could see. No, there was a bike one. Yeah. There's the bike one. That's not what it was. It was a bike one. It was actual camera. And I think, but I wonder if they kept those there and you're going through different like cities. So I was like the one going through Germany, which was great. And then there's one where you think you're going in Italy. And then all of a sudden these like avatars appear and it's just wrong.
JVL00:17:14So there's this really cool thing. They have a bunch of these nature rides, right? Which are exactly this. You're going through Melbourne or Hong Kong or Tokyo or New York. But there are a handful of these. Which are shot. And, and I do not fully understand how this works, where the video is responsive to your speed. Oh, right. So if you speed up, you actually move through the program. Yes. And so these are ones that are distance based, not time-based, right? And so the reason when you're doing a workout, you know, on one of these, you know, because every, every high end exercise machine with a video screen has that look at you, you're in the real world, but it's almost always, no matter how fast you go. It's a set pace that the video is moving through it. Peloton has cracked the code on how to speed it up or slow it down based on your inputs. It's fascinating. Yeah.
Sonny00:18:09I mean, that should be pretty easy though, right? It should just be keyed to like your...
Vic00:18:11The one at the office was kind of like that too.
Sonny00:18:13If I remember.
JVL00:18:14I don't know. Maybe Leanne could give me a guided demo to explain how it works.
Sonny00:18:19You could have her on the JVL show.
JVL00:18:21Yeah. There was this great moment where I was doing an 80s ride with Leanne and it was, you know,
Sonny00:18:27music of the 80s. Oh yeah. And she talked as it was this, Oh no, no.
JVL00:18:32You know what? It wasn't. It wasn't music of the 80s. It was music of the 90s.
Sonny00:18:38And she's like, and this one, this one's from 1993. My favorite year, the year of my birth.
JVL00:18:45She's like, oh, 1993, the year of your birth. Wow. Right.
Sonny00:18:52There you go. Question. This, this brings me to a very important question. So when you, when you're doing these. Rides. They, the music and everything and the instructor that's all through the Peloton, right? It's like, it's like DJ for you. It's like we're doing, and it's like, you know, up tempo, down tempo, whatever. But what if you just want to listen to an audio book?
JVL00:19:15So you can, uh, you have total control over the mix of sound. And so if you just want to listen to an audio book, you could kill both the music and the instructor, or you could kill just the music and leave the instructor. Instructor's voice on. So you could have the instructor plus your audio book, or you could kill in theory, I guess you could kill the instructor and leave the music up and listen to your audio book. Although why you would want to silence Leanne is beyond me. It would also be weird to have, she's a fit bird.
Sonny00:19:46Is she, is she better or worse than your favorite on com.com?
JVL00:19:51Uh, I mean, they're, they're very different.
Vic00:19:55I, I comb comb. I forgot about that.
JVL00:19:58Yeah. The other thing I would say Victorino is that there is clearly, there's a very running man vibe to the Peloton instructors. They are characters almost like nitro and turbo and sub-zero and all those guys where they're, they're competing for your affections and like they're getting paid based upon the number of rides.
Vic00:20:21Would you imagine if you had like a distinctively a distinctly lower number of followers than others? Yeah. Right. Then they'd be noticing that and you'd be in trouble.
JVL00:20:31I think as an instructor. Yeah. Yeah. I, and it is, there is definitely a, I don't know who the plays Richard Killian in Richard Dawson. Richard Dawson. No, but I mean within who plays Killian within the Peloton community, but somebody is the Killian keeping track of how many people are into nitro and all that. Yeah. So it's great. I'm in come find me the JVL, the underscore JVL Victorino.
Vic00:20:57How are you buddy? I'm, I'm doing well. I don't know if you could tell I'm broadcasting from a different room for the first time. Yeah. I was wondering about that. I am out of the basement. I'm in the living room because, uh, my dad is here for the whole week and the guest room
JVL00:21:12is next year. Why didn't you tell us that you could bring them on the show?
Sonny00:21:15Did he watch the woman in the window? Oh, we watched it together.
Vic00:21:18Yes. Yes. He's ah, that's crazy. He said, that's crazy. Uh, it's great because I, so I went up to Jersey and then I brought him down, uh, and then, uh, yeah. It's, you know, it's great because people will say, oh, how, you know, what are you doing or whatever? What, how, what's it, what's going on this week? And I get to say, oh, you know, uh, it's good up to, you know, I'm taking care of my dad this week, which makes me look really good. But of course he's the one actually doing the yard work outside and doing everything else, putting together grills, putting together, you know, doing stuff or getting, or forcing me to do stuff that I've been trying to put off, you know, and he's like, Oh, come on, it's easy. Just do this. So it's, that's been going. It's like having the truth is it's like having my own like personal gardener, like my own Asian gardener. I don't know why they're always Asian, but you know, it's like my own garden, not in Texas. Oh really? Oh no, no. Well, I'd be, yeah, it's like a stereotype. Uh, and he's good with the planting and stuff. Lots of, you can have endless conversations with him about what the plant and what works. Hey, he knows a lot about that stuff out there. I have no idea. Uh, so that's what's going on with me, but I was going to say, do you guys, have you noticed because when I'm, when I work from home, uh, there's all sorts of noises outside because there's, you know, neighbors. People around are always having these, uh, renovations. Have you noticed in your neighborhood, like over the last year, everyone doing home renovations? Yeah. Sonny's nodding.
Sonny00:22:38Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, in our neighborhood, I would say that like, I would say that a solid 20% have had like permitted renovation, including our, we did some renovations in our house. We did, we did, we knocked down a, or we didn't knock, we put up a wall, actually. We put up a wall to create like a little office. Right. Slash bedroom area. Um, and, uh, remodeled the bathroom, but I would say that basically like one in every five houses is either having some renovations done or has been like torn down and rebuilt. Like our neighborhood, the market in our neighborhood right now is insane.
JVL00:23:13Yeah. I live in a very different socioeconomic part of the world than you guys do. This is not, this is not a thing that's happening for, for me, the person who actually lives out there among the people.
Sonny00:23:25Well, but you, but you also live in a newer subdivision. Yeah.
JVL00:23:29Right. Uh, like 1983.
Sonny00:23:31Oh, well, I mean our, I mean our, my house was built in 60 or something like mine was 61.
JVL00:23:37So, so yeah.
Sonny00:23:38But I mean like in our, in our, like in the neighborhood where I live, like the Dallas housing market is insane right now. It's just, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. I know Northern Virginia and DC is crazy.
Vic00:23:48Crazy. So people, lots of people doing actually add ons, but you see a lot of teardowns and then just whole new craftsmen houses come up, you know, and our, our street has been holding the line. I sense that. But the street like on the other side of us, one block over, you know, those were old houses built on double lots. And so when people elderly, um, you know, if they go either they're retiring or they're going to a nursing home or they die, you know, whoever owns that, you know, that they'll get, they're going to sell two houses in one space and each house will go for a lot. So it's crazy. But the house directly across from us is really interesting. Um, and they're fitness fanatics. This guy and a woman and, uh, and he's a fitness instructor. So what they, what they're doing, this is a big guy. No, I've really tried to careful about no names, but anyway, really, he's a nice guy. And uh, they've been building out in the back and it's clear that they're building like a gym basket with keys in the store. No, there's not. But there's a, uh, but they're clearly building like a whole separate gym thing to use. And my wife actually got a tour of it and they're like, Oh, bring your husband around because they were saying that, you know, um, you know, that I opened new things. Hey, what's going on? Yes. And uh, uh, but the question, what the question has been going on forever though. It's like for the whole year. So I've been calling it the big dig because it's like, it just isn't ending. Um, and the question is, are they building the gym really just for themselves? Are you, are like clients going to start coming over to use gym, which is, that's, that's kind of an issue, but I don't know. But you know, next to them is, uh, another, uh, a family and, and my daughter of course is really good. Uh, so one of her best friends is there and she said they were out there in the backyard. You could see into their gym. They said, oh yeah, we saw them working out. Oh, he was. And the guy was working out without a shirt. I'm like, okay. I was just, I was hoping, I was like, please don't tell me that he was doing pushups on top of her.
Sonny00:25:38So that was it.
Vic00:25:39I just, anyway, speaking about spying on neighbors this week, uh, we're talking about the movie, the woman in the window on Netflix, uh, Sonny, how about a big boy review?
Sonny00:25:51So the woman in the window, I, I suggested we review this because it's a really interesting disastrous mess of a movie. I find the, I find the pedigree of it really interesting. So this was a bestselling book by AJ Finn, I think is his name in 2018.
JVL00:26:06Somebody just told me Daniel Mallory. We did a whole half a show on this guy. Yeah. Do you not remember this?
Sonny00:26:12I don't. Wait, is, are you sure that's not, are you sure that's the right name?
JVL00:26:16The, the, his, he, the book is under a pen name. His real name is Daniel Mallory. Yeah. We literally spent 40 minutes.
Sonny00:26:22Yeah. No, no. I remember. Yeah, no, I remember. I remember. So we, I, but I, I, I didn't remember his real name. Um, the, uh, what, what is, what's fascinating about this movie is that it has an enormously good pedigree. The director is Joe Wright, who directed Atonement. He directed Darkest Hour. He directed the Keira Knightley Pride and Prejudice. He directed Hannah, the Eric Bana, uh, Schwarzschild Ronan, uh, martial arts movie. Um, I, I, I, he, I'm not the biggest fan of Joe Wright, but like, he's certainly talented. He's a talented filmmaker, great visual eye. It stars, uh. Uh, Amy Adams and Gary Oldman, you know, Oscar nominee, Oscar winner. Uh, it is written by Tracy Letts, the playwright, um, who has a, has a small, uh, bit of part in this. Who's a man. Who's a man. Tracy Letts is a man. He was, he's actually, uh, most, most of our listeners will probably best remember him from Ford versus Ferrari. He is the, uh, he is the guy that Matt Damon drives around. The, uh, he's the Ford son, the young Ford, the younger, um, who gets driven around real fast in the, in the car, um, and starts crying. Right. It starts spontaneous. Um, and the movie, uh, is, is again, it is just, it is this weird mish mash of Hitchcock tropes, uh, that is kind of filtered through the lens of not really Hitchcock. It's more like Joe Wright doing Brian De Palma doing Hitchcock. Um, it is, uh, it is overacted. I mean, it's pure camp. Actual camp. This is a movie that somebody thought was like great and they thought they were making a really great, you know, high toned picture. And it turned into this disastrous, uh, bit of overacted nonsense. Um, and nevertheless, I find it, I find it weirdly compelling to watch. I watched it twice. Now I watched it again last night. I watched it again last night in preparation for the show. Um, so the, the base, the basic, the plot of the story is pretty basic. Amy Adams is agoraphobic. She's stuck in the house. Uh, she, uh. Is in, uh, in therapy. The therapist is Tracy let's, um, and she is spying on her neighbors. That's how she, that's her contact with the outside world, you know, new, new folks moved in next door, Gary Oldman and his son who, uh, at the start of the movie comes across as a mentally, mentally disabled and possibly abused by his, his father. Um, uh, and the, the wife played by Julianne Moore, another great actress, uh, Oscar nominee, I think, um, uh. Comes over for drinks and they, they share some story, blah, blah, and then she's murdered. She's murdered across the street, but is she really murdered? Because it turns out the wife is actually Jennifer Jason lay this other woman might not even exist.
JVL00:29:10Spoiler alert.
Sonny00:29:11Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Uh, so the, the, you know, the, the, the, again, there's this whole rear window thing, this whole Hitchcock vibe, lots of split diopter shots, you know, where. The left and the right side of the screen are both in focus, even though something's in the distance and something's in the foreground, right, a little bit of film school here for her. I'm getting you, getting you an education, split diopters, shallow focus, deep focus. Uh, and, and, uh, it's trashy and it's over the top and Gary Oldman has this just the most ridiculous over the top performance, uh, stay away from my son. He says at one point I was like, are you, are you a hundred years old? Uh, and, and I, I don't know, but, but I found that I found it weirdly compelling in its dumbness. Um, and in never, it was never boring to watch, which is like the, it's like the lowest possible bar to clear, but not boring me is a thing that is very hard. I got watched Cruella this week, that movie is fucking boring and it's a million hours long and this is a tight 95 minutes without credits. I just, I, I, uh, I enjoyed it. I don't know what to tell you. But even though it's bad, even though I'm pretty sure it's bad and pretty sure it's silly and dumb and the plot twists are all, you can see them all coming a million miles away. And I, and you know, who's, I haven't even mentioned yet. Who's really great in it. Kurt Russell's kid, Wyatt Russell is in this, he's the neighbor downstairs. Um, and he's, he, he was also in, uh, the cap, uh, the winter soldier and the Falcon show. It was on MCU. Very good in that. Uh, I like him a lot. I, he's good in this. He's good in everything. Just, just not a good movie, but I was, I was rarely bored, rarely bored while watching
Vic00:31:08it twice. I'm trying to interpret JBL's reaction.
Sonny00:31:11JBL looks like, JBL looks like I look when you guys are talking about watches.
JVL00:31:15I'm not sure. Go ahead. Sometimes I feel like I don't even know you anymore. I like, I, I don't understand how you could find. I don't understand anything about this film.
Vic00:31:32The least bit intriguing or entertaining it's, it's a, it is a terrible movie transformational
JVL00:31:41is happening based on a terrible book and it follows the book almost beat for beat for beat. Because as I said to you, when we did our Daniel Mallory episode, I don't remember this episode. Yeah, well I do. Can you defended him on the McDonald's principle? I said, this is a morally repugnant human being. Who lied, cheated and steeled his way to get to the place where he convinced one of the, the seven large publishing houses to release his stupid novel. And that every year that sold tons of copies, it sold tons of copies because every year there is a, a novel, a chick lit type mystery, which sells a bazillion copies during the summer. Every single fucking the year.
Sonny00:32:22This happens.
JVL00:32:23Why do you, all you women's literature, one of those, and whether you're the lovely bones, girl, all you need to do is get the lottery ticket for one of those seven slots. And you have a one in seven chance of getting a million time bestseller. And this guy lied and cheated his way to pick up one of those, one of those lottery tickets and the lottery ticket paid out. And you Sonny, you defended this with your McDonald's theory of, well, it's sold a bazillion copies. So it must be good.
Sonny00:32:53And here we have a movie. That's not terrible. It's not good. Not necessarily, but you know, it's hard to make a good movie. I, I, I don't, I just, so I, did you read, wait, did you read the actual book that this is, that this movie is based on?
JVL00:33:11I, I have never had anything good to say about Netflix, but I'll say this, the 1.5 speed on Netflix makes shit like this minimally bearable. I was able to complete the movie without. Really gouging my eyes out. Although I sat there at my computer with it on 1.5 thinking, when will this end? It's already pretty.
Sonny00:33:36I mean, this, it was too slow. This movie, this movie is pretty manic. I mean, Amy Adams is this crazy, manic, drugged up alcohol, stupor.
JVL00:33:47You can't make a 1.5 speed. I was drumming my fingers on the kitchen table, waiting for it to go somewhere. One move, horrible. This is, and not horrible in an enter, and this is what I don't understand. It isn't bad in an entertaining way. There are no crazy choices being made. There's no. Oh, that's just wrong.
Sonny00:34:12That's just not true. It's, it's like a stage play. It's like a, it's like a combination Hitchcock, uh, rip off slash stage play to the point where like literally at, at one point, like the camera, the camera great on Broadway, the camera pulls back, uh, or kind of pushes in a little bit and the lights dim and it's right on Amy Adams and she's giving a monologue and the, we see the reverse shot and it's the four other actors just kind of standing there looking at her like the audience. And then the camera pins spins around to the right and it's a vignette from the crashed
JVL00:34:44car.
Sonny00:34:45It's literally like something you would see on Broadway. It is like, it is staged like a Broadway play. And again, this is why it's interesting that Tracy Letts wrote this because he, it is written like a play, which is again. Interesting.
Vic00:34:58It is like, it is, he wrote it best on the based on the knob.
Sonny00:35:00He wrote, he wrote, yeah, he wrote, he wrote, he wrote the adaptation.
Vic00:35:03When you, you made a reference earlier, Sonny to Brian De Palma, were you making a reference to body double? Is that what you were?
Sonny00:35:09No, I'm just making a reference to like everything, everything that if I remember everything that Brian De Palma has done is a, is in some way ripping off Alfred Hitchcock because I was
Vic00:35:20going to say body double, uh, it did much better, I believe on the quadrants, this movie
JVL00:35:27dies on the quadrants.
Vic00:35:28Well, let's take a look because as Warner Wolf would say, let's go to the videotape. Okay. Uh, plot is a C. Thank you. You're welcome. I have questions. I have questions. It was like, well, okay. Duration a plus, uh, it was no, no, no, no.
JVL00:35:46You get out of here with that weak shit. An hour 40 was too much. It was too much. What would you say? Like, it's like 95 minutes.
Vic00:35:52What would you bring it down to JVL?
JVL00:35:54Hour 20. I'm saying if you're going to get an A. A plus on the Vick scale, you gotta be 80 minutes. You cannot get an A plus by going over an hour and a half. Wow. You can't do that. Wow.
Sonny00:36:06Don't, don't drag it in here.
Vic00:36:07Let the man of the people have his scale. In our current, in our current situation, anything under two hours, Cruella is 134 minutes
Sonny00:36:16long. That's ridiculous. 134 minutes long.
Vic00:36:19Okay. Violence and action gets an A plus. You get the bonus bonus points for the hand rake to the face.
Sonny00:36:25That was crazy. Come on. You didn't laugh out loud when that, when she got, when she got hit, when she got hit in the face and you could see, you could see like the thing coming through her cheek. That was funny.
Vic00:36:38That was, that was pretty funny as you, but, uh, but, uh, sex nudity is an F because you know what? I've seen better. Amy Adams, the fighter, for example, or if you want to be a voyeur, then it's a body double. So, uh, yes. So the total, the average comes to a B minus C plus. Did I like it? Uh, it was entertaining, but the, I found it entertaining enough, but I did since spoiler alert.
Sonny00:37:06I mean like it's all out there now.
Vic00:37:07Questions. Well, you had questions. I did. Okay. I'm not, I wasn't convinced. So the, I, the whole point is that the son is somehow the, the truth is the son is a killer and he just, he's a, he wants, he's a wannabe serial killer. That's what it is. That's what's happening. He's trying to figure out how to be a serial killer. He's trying to figure out what his, what his pattern is. Yeah. I didn't buy that at all. Just like, I don't think that was earned. Okay. Question. Who is the mother?
Sonny00:37:33Well, Julianne Moore is the mother. Julianne Moore is the birth mother, but, uh, uh, Jennifer Jason Lee is married to Alistair Russell.
Vic00:37:43Okay. All right. All right. When did the mother start dating David, the tenant downstairs in Boston?
Sonny00:37:51Well, no, they, she just came over and hooked up with him while she, okay.
Vic00:37:55So she came. Yeah. She came down in New York. One night stand. She came down to New York to be near her family or her son.
Sonny00:38:02Well, she found, she found, yeah, she found them in Boston and then followed them to New York.
Vic00:38:06Right. Them in Boston. But he would, because wasn't he supposed to be a Boston connection to like he was paroled up there or something like that. He was supposed to be doing time. Yeah.
Sonny00:38:15Was it Connecticut?
Vic00:38:16I think that's in Connecticut. Ah, okay. Um, so Julianne Moore loves her son, right?
Sonny00:38:23She wants to be near them. Sounds like she's a crazy person.
Vic00:38:26Yeah. She loves her and he kills the mother. Yes. That's what happens. He kills the mother. The son kills the mother. And then. Yes. And Gary Oldman covers it up. Yes. Okay. Last question. Who is the woman pushed out of the window in the files, the executive assistant and
?00:38:39why? What do you mean?
Sonny00:38:41Okay.
Vic00:38:42There's a woman. It was her name. Amanda.
Sonny00:38:45I think. Oh, the woman in Boston. The reason they had to leave Boston. Yes. I mean, that's just, it was just, it was his first victim. It was.
Vic00:38:52And it happened to be his secretary, his executive assistant. It was the executive assistant. No relationship or anything. We have no motive. He just did it. He just pushed her out the window.
Sonny00:39:01Yeah. Cause he's, he wants, he's a crazy person. He's a killer. Yeah. Okay. I'm see. You didn't even ask the most interesting question, which was how is he? He was supposed to be living in her house this entire time. He said, he says at some point in the movie, like I've been living here for a week.
Vic00:39:15I don't know about that. I mean, again, she says.
Sonny00:39:17He's the one who sent the picture. Yes. But of course she's on drugs.
Vic00:39:20She's on drugs.
Sonny00:39:21But, but I was just saying that there's like no, there's no, there's no payoff to that. Except for the picture that gets sent to her. There's like, no, there's no, it's a thread that's totally just dangling there. There's nothing else. There's nothing else to do with it.
Vic00:39:35Cause he's supposed to be in some prep school, right? I'm supposed to be in a prep. They don't even know I'm not here. Well, wasn't he just there across the street? I don't know. I'm losing track of time because you know, you're seeing things in her world and everything is messed up. It's drugs, alcohol and Turner classic movies apparently.
Sonny00:39:48Yeah. That's another, another one of those tropes where they have like rear window playing on the TV screen as they're coming in. I would say it did help.
Vic00:39:55Obviously. Can you say, can they get away with saying, Oh no, we're not ripping it off. It's a, it's an homage.
Sonny00:40:02Well, it's not really ripping off rear window. It's doing a, it's doing a slightly different thing. Again, it's, it's less like a Hitchcock homage than like a, an homage to Brian De Palma doing Hitchcock. It is like, it is so over the top and so, and so, and so ridiculous. Uh, I, you know, I'm, I JBL, I'm shocked that you didn't love Gary Oldman in this.
JVL00:40:25He's ridiculous performance. I just, I don't, I feel like we are living in different universes. I just, and I worry that people are going to think that we've devolved into shtick where you and I go on an opposite side of every week, no matter what. But something weird has going on something transformation over the last like three months because over the last 12 movies, I don't think you and I have been aligned once.
Sonny00:40:55I, what's, what's weird is that I, again, I don't think it's a good movie. I like would not, I would not say, I would not say that this is a good film. I would not say it's like, uh, an amazing piece of artistry, but there's some, the pedigree is so good and they're obviously doing so many things in it that I just respect the ridiculousness of it.
JVL00:41:17I don't know. Train wrecks. Look, for me, a movie does not have to be good to be enjoyable.
Sonny00:41:22But how is this? How does this not fall under the train? Train wreck, uh, exception, exemption, too boring to be a train wreck.
Vic00:41:33It just, I did nothing in it.
JVL00:41:36Did okay.
Vic00:41:37Uh, literally nothing. Did you? Okay. It's one thing to say it's boring, but did you, were you surprised by any of it? Or were you, did you predict all of it? Did you put it together before any of these things came to cause I did not, I think I
JVL00:41:50did. No, you're kidding.
Vic00:41:52Vic. No, I thought it was Gary Oldman. Sorry. No, I thought it was Gary Oldman. I didn't realize it had, but you still haven't put it all together. I'm still putting it together right now, but it's like, so you're saying the son killed
JVL00:42:07the girlfriend.
Vic00:42:08Oh no. So, uh, the, um, the ending though is kind of like the others as well, because it's like, yeah, with Amy Adams, with her family, I'm saying with her family, you know, it's not
Sonny00:42:20like, it's not like the others really, she killed her family. Yeah.
Vic00:42:26Well, yeah, but in her mind, they're still alive.
JVL00:42:29Can we talk about Amy Adams?
Vic00:42:31Yeah. I think. Was it on purpose? Are you going to ask? Did she look like that or put on weight on purpose?
JVL00:42:36Well, I will say yes. Is this still her hillbilly elegy weight that she just decided to like do both these roles back to back? Cause she wouldn't have to hit the gym between them. That is a great, that is a, that is a legitimate question.
Sonny00:42:50It is what I assume.
Vic00:42:51You know what I will say? I will liken it to where. Uh, Robert De Niro was, uh, post untouchables, but, uh, before say, um, Goodfellas where he was, uh, in midnight run is sort of a medium weight on his way back down to, on his way back down to Cape fear. That's what I should say.
JVL00:43:12I gotta say, and I, I'm not talking about just the fact that she, you know, has the, the body mass of a normal human being in this and not a Hollywood actress, but there is something distressing to me to see Amy Adams. Adams looking like a middle-aged house frow. There is a time is slowly turning us all into monsters aspect to seeing middle-aged Amy Adams like this, because she is forever, uh, the girl from enchanted was an enchanted. Is that the Disney movie, you know, or the fighter or from, I, I did not see the fight, but that is a wistful look in your eye, Victorino, I was going to say from catch me if you can
Sonny00:43:48now trust in the braces, enchanted, enchanted, like the nurse, she was like the candy strip
Vic00:43:53of the nurse candy strip.
Sonny00:43:54Enchanted came out.
Vic00:43:55What? Candy? What? Victorino? Striper. Striper. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry.
Sonny00:44:04Sorry. She had the alpha two. Go ahead. Sorry. I didn't, I didn't have anything. No. I mean, I, like, I think she, I mean, she's intentionally kind of playing. She, she looks like a mess on purpose, right? No, no. Right.
Vic00:44:15And she gets her act together in order for her to look better at the end.
Sonny00:44:17And I do think, and she does look better at the end, but again, she looks like a Hollywood actor. Right. With like makeup. Yeah. In a real, in a real op. I mean, look, she, she, I, I, I think that she shot this and Hillbilly Elegy probably pretty close to each other though. This had been in the can for a while. This was not a Netflix.
JVL00:44:36Yeah. This had reshoots.
Sonny00:44:38Original. So this, this had reshoots, this had re-scripting, this had, this sat on the shelf for a long time. Eventually Fox. I think it was Fox sold it to Netflix, uh, during, you know, it was like, oh, well, can't put it out in theaters because of COVID we better sell it to Netflix. And, and, and it. It was what it really was, was them saying, we got to get the fucking thing off our plate because we are, this is going to make $5 in the theaters.
JVL00:45:02I, uh, I did, I did have the sense that there was the same, the same sort of time slowly turning us all into monsters that we would have seen had we turned on the max this evening and watched the friends reunion. I'm dying to see this because I gotta say, okay, I don't know who looked.
Vic00:45:24Some, at least one of them had to have still looked great.
JVL00:45:28Come on. Well, but the problem is the people who still look great, look great because they've, you know, gone under the knife. Right? I mean, this is the David Schwimmer doesn't have a single gray hair on his head.
Sonny00:45:41That is fine. Uh, did you actually watch this? This special?
JVL00:45:46I, I know I, but I looked at the publicity, so I want to watch it until I can't. I don't know.
Vic00:45:51Maybe it'd be a mistake if I do. I'll watch like the first hour and a half.
JVL00:45:54Um, Matt LeBlanc on the other hand is like snow white, right? He's, he's all natural and Matthew Perry, Matthew Perry. This is what's funny. I saw back to back stills from like the pilot episode and then this, and I don't know everything about it just wrong. I'm against these sorts of reunion projects. I feel like, you know, as Fred Barnes once said, always look forward, never look back. You do stuff like this and like nobody, nobody wants it. Am I wrong?
Sonny00:46:29No, no, you're not wrong. The only time this has ever worked was when Curb Your Enthusiasm did the meta Seinfeld reunion where they didn't actually have the reunion. It was just like the actors hanging around and they were like shooting it, but they don't like show the episode or anything.
Vic00:46:43That's right.
Sonny00:46:44That's right.
Vic00:46:45That was great. That worked. I would say it's either good morning America or the today show that started putting together like 25 years later. For episodes or 30 years or 40 years later where they'll go to sitcoms and they'll bring them on the set and sometimes, and I'll watch that just to see it. And uh, for some of the sitcoms I liked or TV shows, and that can be very depressing because you'll have a wide array of actors, some of whom really made it big and others who didn't for, uh, for, you know, one reason or another. And I remember, you know, and it's, and it's weird because then, you know, the dynamic is so different now. Now, because maybe the little girl who had the small part is now the big celebrity star in Hollywood, you know, and then the other people who aren't, and it's, I'm fascinated by those kinds of dynamics. I watched clip once of the two to seven reunion be, and I'm just curious, I watched two to seven and what is two to seven that was with, um, uh, you know, no place like home was the opening song. And I, it was, I believe it was Marla Gibbs and it was, uh, what's his name? White, whatever his name was, who was played the drill search for private Benjamin. He's the dad. And they lived in, it was like, uh, it was, it was a black family sitcom that took place in Washington, DC. One of the rare TV shows or things that take place in the district. Uh, and the daughter, uh, was Regina King. Hmm. And so she'd be, but of course, and, and her opposite, the guy that she liked, uh, I forget his name and he went down a bad path, you know, like drugs and problems like that and talking with. So it was really awkward. But this, but she was such a big star and she is a big, big star. And so, um, her being there and, you know, and, and sometimes you'll see reunion shows where the big famous star now is, uh, they don't do it. They won't go, right. It's a no, there'll be a no show.
JVL00:48:38And then it's these other has been trying to remember what it was like. So here's the, here's the problem. The problem is that when you have actors who've continued to work, then you don't have this disjointedness, no matter what they look like, because they have aged within your consciousness. Yes. As time has gone on where you're like, oh yes, I saw Jason Alexander in this. And then he was in that. And then he was in that. But on the other hand, you haven't seen Michael Richards in 25 years. And so if he pops up at a Seinfeld reunion, you're gonna be like, my God, what happened to him? Yeah. And this is what has happened to most of the friends cast, right. They've been basically buried from public view with the exception of Jennifer Aniston.
Sonny00:49:15Did you guys see the first promo still from the kids in the hall reunion?
JVL00:49:19Oh no.
Vic00:49:20Oh no.
Sonny00:49:21You, you guys, you guys know about this. You guys know about this, right? They all look like grandpas now. Cause they're all 70.
JVL00:49:31Cause they're all old.
Sonny00:49:33I don't know. Maybe, maybe they're like in their sixties. I don't know. But the, uh, but, but it's, uh, it's, uh, it is a real kick in the nuts to see all those guys together again. Cause they look, they look like old grandpas with white hair and paunches. And, uh, I feel the, this icy. Hand of death grabbing my face and saying, this is going to be you one day.
JVL00:49:59Cause you haven't seen any of them in 30 years, right? You haven't seen them in 30 years, right?
Sonny00:50:03Certainly. You haven't seen them all together. Certainly. And that, that sort of situation.
JVL00:50:07And you know, like Lisa Kudrow has popped up like on two as two special, very special guest stars here and there. Oh, she did the comeback, which I enjoyed.
Sonny00:50:16She's had a couple of shows, actually, supposedly she's very, she's very, uh, very talented and fun.
Vic00:50:22But I haven't seen, for example, Matthew Perry. I don't know what he does.
JVL00:50:24I haven't seen him since the whole nine yards. Right.
Vic00:50:27Thank you. Right.
JVL00:50:29Yeah.
Vic00:50:30But not that they need to do it. Amanda.
JVL00:50:32Pete. Oh, that's a great quadrant.
Vic00:50:34That's a great quadrant movie. That movie kills the quadrants. Oh my gosh. On everything.
JVL00:50:38It was very easy to understand. Okay. Do you have any other thoughts on the woman in the window? I don't. I, I just, when, when is the next time that all three of us are going to feel the same way about a movie? Are those days just behind us?
Vic00:50:52Let's think about this. Let's, let's think what's coming up. What's coming down the path.
Sonny00:50:56Nine. No. Cause I'm going to hate that one.
Vic00:50:59Yeah. Uh, well, I think I'm likely to hate that too. Well that's easier to say. What are we all going to hate?
Sonny00:51:06What will we all hate? The jungle cruise.
JVL00:51:09No, I would say Cruella easily. I bet the jungle cruise is going to be better than I expected.
Sonny00:51:14Cruella is it? Yeah.
JVL00:51:16Yeah.
Sonny00:51:17We'll have to figure that out. Okay. What about one of these musicals? Well, we all hate in the Heights. Will we all hate West side story?
Vic00:51:25Oh, Oh, a hundred percent. I'm shaking.
Sonny00:51:28I'm just, I can't wait. I can't wait until we see West side story just because we're going to get so many text messages from J pod. Like how could you not love this?
Vic00:51:35No, I mean, I bet you, he wouldn't like the remake. You should have him on as a chef on a special guest because you can't beat, you can't beat the original.
JVL00:51:43I think the original, I can't watch the original overrated movie in the history. I'm just saying if you're into the original, you're not going to like the remake.
Sonny00:51:53The musicals are shit and West side story is no exception.
Vic00:51:56You love La La Land.
Sonny00:51:58I did not love La La Land, but I did thought, I think I thought it was good. It was, I was shocked by how much I liked La La Land, but I didn't, I didn't, it's not like I was like, this is a great movie. I gotta go. I haven't watched, I haven't thought about that movie since it came out in theaters.
Vic00:52:10I get confused between that and Moonlight. I don't know why.
Sonny00:52:14Okay. Because Moonlight, remember they were, La La Land was supposed to win best picture and then Moonlight did and everyone was shocked. I think, I think La La Land might. I think I might have put La La Land on my best of list that year, but I literally have not. I've not thought about that movie.
Vic00:52:29Yeah. I forgot what movie I picked that Roma. I still haven't seen it. I thought it was going to win. Okay. Sorry Sonny. We need to make you. Okay. Remember Roma? Okay. Uh, well you got to head off. Aren't don't you Sonny? You're going somewhere.
Sonny00:52:44Are you doing? I'm trying, I'm trying to go see a quiet place too. Once we're done taping this. Okay. Very good. I'm going to have a bunch of editing to do.
Vic00:52:51I don't know. We'll see. In that case. Uh, let's move on. Do you have a spirit of the week? What are you drinking?
Sonny00:52:56I'm just drinking diet.
Vic00:52:57Talked about. Okay. You know what we got growing in our backyard? Naturally. Mint. So you know what I should make with that? Don't you? Mint julep. Mint juleps. That's right. Just have simple syrup, bourbon, and I think that's it. Okay. Pretty much. Uh, corrections.
JVL00:53:12Shout outs. Anything?
Vic00:53:14No. Not over here. All right. All right. That is all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, compliments. Tweet us @SonnyBunch @VictorinoMattus. Again, be sure to subscribe to us on Patreon. Just go to subbeacon.com. We are there. Tell your friends.
Sonny00:53:27Until next time.
Vic00:53:35I don't know if you have anything. I do have the, uh, one of the most fitting, uh, endings, uh, uh, if you don't have any.
JVL00:53:45All right. I have something, but we'll end with you. Okay. I have something that's been on my chest for a couple of weeks now.
?00:53:51Shoot.
JVL00:53:51I don't want to get too much into politics, but I feel like we have to talk about this. Remember we had election day, like three weeks ago, there was, you know, some weird off-year elections and Texas and Virginia primaries. Yeah. Stuff like that. Well, there was a ballot initiative up in, I want to say, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania, Lackawanna. And the ballot initiative was to do away with solitary confinement in prison. And this was proposed as some human rights-y sort of thing.
Vic00:54:27No. Are you kidding me? But if I ever go to jail... That's all I want. That's...
JVL00:54:33My God, I want nothing but solitary. I don't want to be... You know what? Now, Victorino, you of course hate solitary. I know.
Vic00:54:39Because if you were in solitary...
JVL00:54:40I'd be going crazy. Right. You couldn't get voted president of the jail.
Vic00:54:43You couldn't be press president. You couldn't be jail class president. You couldn't be jail class president. Cell block nine. I would say that part of me would be like, okay, well, what's the trade-off is? I can make friends, but they'll be in the shower. You know what I mean? So, it's one of those deals.
JVL00:54:55That's all. Okay.
Sonny00:54:57I just wanted to know if it struck you guys as insane as well.
JVL00:54:58Yes. Yes. I very much...
Sonny00:55:01This was a... I can't tell you... Pro human rights thing. No. Going to hear from the reformers who are like, ah, it's actually terrible for the prisoners
Vic00:55:06because they're all... No. I read this all the time. I read this all the time about how it's very dehumanizing. And it's because, you know what? It takes away... It strips you... You know what else strips you of humanity? I'll tell you what. Mm. Okay. So... I've seen Oz. Tell us a story. Okay. I just thought it was really fascinating or fitting that you were talking about, you know, you were saying... What is it? The monsters... What's the phrase you were using about, you know, death coming for us all?
JVL00:55:33Time is slowly turning us all into monsters.
Vic00:55:34Into monsters. Yes. Thank you. So this morning, I went to the supermarket and get to pick up a few things. It was great. There was nobody at the, you know, at the line, so I went right up to this nice cashier lady. I was just having a nice chat with her, going through the things there. And finally...
JVL00:55:54Vote Matus.
Vic00:55:55Vote Matus. Vote Matus. Thank you. And then she says, "So do you qualify for a discount?" Oh, look at Sonny's face. Oh! Look at your face. I didn't know what she was talking about.
JVL00:56:05I didn't know... You say, "Oh, I'm not active duty military." Is that what you said to her, Victorino?
Vic00:56:10I said, "No." Well, I'm not... I'm not a... You know, if you're asking because I'm buying beer, you know. But no, I didn't know what she... I did not know what she meant by that. The first thing I thought was, you know, usually they ask for ID if you're buying alcohol. And then she goes, "Do you qualify for a discount?" And I said, "What?" And she just said, "Oh, no, yeah, you don't look 65." And I thought to myself, "Did she say this because she can't tell because I'm Asian? Or did she say this because I look old and I'm really hoping it was racist?"
Sonny00:56:48She just... It could be the racism. Yeah. Yeah. The racism is better than the age. Yes, than age. Yeah.
JVL00:56:55Gotcha.
?00:56:56Yeah. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure it's fine.
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