#14. 'Mythic Quest'
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The main title is Mythic Quest, the AppleTV+ workplace comedy from the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia creators, set inside an MMORPG studio. Sonny is its champion: he calls it the first show to truly capture internet-space colliding with meatspace, raving about the "Dinner Party" Nazi episode (the elegant fix is shunting all the Nazis onto their own server), the bold mid-season standalone short film "A Dark Quiet Death" as a perspective reset, and the only genuinely good pandemic episode any show has managed. JVL is lukewarm — he finds it derivative (the Office crossed with Silicon Valley, built on 30 Rock's A/B/C-plot structure) and, unlike Ted Lasso where you root for everyone, here you kind of want every character to die; he rates episodes 8 and 10 the best and singles out Jesse Ennis's psychotic assistant Joe and Jake Johnson. Vic, cool on the first two episodes, was won over by "Dinner Party" and especially F. Murray Abraham's aging blowhard writer (whom he relates to as the old man in his own office), plus Cristin Milioti. The back half turns to cancel culture via Gina Carano (out at Lucasfilm) and Joss Whedon, with JVL drawing a careful line between a "psychotic bad boss" and actual Me Too, and defending a workplace "no assholes rule." The hangout covers Vic's camera finally working again (a Chrome/Gmail permissions snafu), his finishing The Guns of August after 30 years (next up: the long-lied-about 1984), and JVL's blissful three-hour Civilization V Egypt bender while Shannon was at book club — 80% of the world's wonders built by 800 A.D.
From the show notes
This week the gang tackles Mythic Quest , AppleTV+'s comedy about life in the insane office an MMORPG. Vic's camera works again! Sonny's cold, and not just emotionally. And JVL has thoughts on cancel culture! All this and more on the latest episode of the Sub-Beacon!
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Guest00:00:00Ayan! Hey puppy! What are you doing? Good news, I have turned the shovel into a weapon. So now it's a dual purpose. This is something that people are going to buy. Check this out. It's not quite right, but I'm close. I just, I'm not sure if it's like a, if it should be a, maybe it's an uppercut motion? Yeah, no, I don't, I don't want the shovel to kill people. I just want it to dig. Dig. Do you have any idea what the TTP on an item like this is going to be? Yeah, it's going to be like... So, uh, TTP, guys, is time to penis. It's the time it takes for a, uh, player to use a new item to make a penis. Yes, I know what TTP is. Yeah, David, stop mansplaining. They're not gonna, they're not gonna make dicks, Ayan. You give the public a shovel, they dig dicks. You give them a pen, they draw dicks. You give them some clay... Definitely gonna sculpt dicks. Ayan, would you please tell my assistant to get into the booth? Oh, I don't tell women what to do. I allow them to make their own choices. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Ayan, they're not gonna, they're not gonna turn them into dicks. I'm gonna actually put them in there. I'm gonna put a limiter on it so they can't...
Sonny00:00:57Shovel with rules, that's really cool.
Guest00:00:59Yeah. Let's put as many rules in the game as we can. That's, that's super fun.
JVL00:01:15Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon. I'm your host, JVL, along with Sonny Bunch and Victorino Matus. Just a reminder, The Sub-Beacon is available exclusively on Patreon at subbeacon.com. We also have a store where you can buy Sub-Beacon merchandise. Just go to tpublic.com and search Sub-Beacon. You'll easily find us. Buy some shirts. Tell your friends. Leave us reviews and suggestions and bad ideas at subbeacon.com. Victorino, you're back.
Vic00:01:48Hello, fellas. I am back. We can see you. Well, I can explain because of my tech savvy how I made this work. Did you hit it?
Sonny00:01:57Did you hit it with a rock?
Vic00:01:59So, let's see. Earlier in the week, the phone rang or something on my phone and I accidentally hit some sort of FaceTime thing instead. In any event, it didn't happen. But the weird thing was on my phone, on my iPhone, it redirected me to the Gmail preferences for camera and it said that it was off. Now, I don't remember doing that since the night before. But anyway, I turned it back on and somehow that connected with the Gmail on my computer and now I'm back. Is that all it took? So, it was a Gmail thing, but when did I turn Gmail camera off? I don't remember doing that.
Sonny00:02:39Why would Gmail camera have anything to do with your podcast?
JVL00:02:41I think he means Chrome. I think he means Chrome.
Sonny00:02:44You must have turned off your Chrome. What probably happened was if you had given like Kate this computer, she could have figured it out in 10 minutes.
Vic00:02:51Yes. Yes, I guess so. But I think it's the Gmail. Is Gmail Google? Is Google preference and Gmail preference the same thing?
Sonny00:02:59My Gmail camera is broken.
Vic00:03:01My Gmail camera. And so, it just said it was not like allowing permission. I said, "What?"
Sonny00:03:05So, I said, "This is weird." This is legitimately like a conversation you would have with a retiree in like an old person's home.
Vic00:03:12You know, we used to make fun of—
JVL00:03:13I turned off the Gmail camera.
Sonny00:03:16Now I can't see myself.
Vic00:03:17You know what the funny thing is, Sonny? Do you know what the funny thing is? I know lots of funny things. Old people will go—old people I know will go to computer tech— I got to go to the computer experts, right? I got to go to the computer store to get this thing fixed. And I always thought it was funny. And more and more, I think to myself, "Man, I wish I could talk to a computer person." A computer person? I want to take my computer to the store and say, "Can you fix this?"
JVL00:03:42You should have asked your brother, Knights. Maybe some of them could have helped you out with your problems.
Vic00:03:47The 60- and 70-year-olds, no doubt, more no. Know more than I do about this.
Sonny00:03:53Wouldn't be shocked.
Vic00:03:54Yeah, so there you go.
Sonny00:03:56But we did find the provenance of this computer. This was a FreeBeacon original.
Vic00:04:00Yeah, apparently—
Sonny00:04:01Alyssa mentioned this on Twitter.
Vic00:04:03That's right. Alyssa mentioned that this may have originally been owned by Catherine Miller.
Sonny00:04:09Yeah, so this is— Wow. That Apple iMac Pro with the clamshell and the— Oh, yes. That's probably at least eight years old.
Vic00:04:21I was going to say, but the good news, I just updated to OSX Lion. So there you go.
JVL00:04:27So when you have that computer eventually graded and slabbed by CGC, it will have—
Vic00:04:36It'll get a high rating. It'll be a high rating.
JVL00:04:38Well, no, but the rating won't be important. The rating will be, again, the provenance of it. Oh, yes. From the original WFB collection.
Vic00:04:45That's right, from the old 16th Street address back in the day.
Sonny00:04:48This is a— This is a nine-year-old laptop with millions of dollars.
Vic00:04:52Other than that, other than that, I'm doing fine. I'm actually feeling great. And that is because I finally, about 30 minutes ago, I finally finished The Guns of August.
Sonny00:05:04Yay! Wow. Did you beat us?
Vic00:05:07Did you beat Mary Katherine Hamm? Well, I knew it was going to be a race. The race was on. I saw her on Twitter. She started. I said, "I better start," because somebody else on Twitter, Ben O'Connell on Twitter, said, "Oh, thanks for the recommendation. I read Guns of August. It was great." I said, "Wait a minute. You mean from the time I recommended it, and now you already finished the book?" So I said, "I really need to up my game."
JVL00:05:25How does it end?
Vic00:05:27It doesn't. That's the worst part. It's really just the first 30 days of August, hence the name of the book. And the only thing we know at the end is that there is no end for many, many, many more years to come. This is even before trench warfare, which is the weirdest thing. They hadn't gone to the trenches yet. Very, very interesting. But they both missed golden opportunities to knock the other side out, and then that was it. The Schlieffen Plan versus Plan 17. It's all fresh in my memory right now. Is the whole book done in a single take? Yes. It just follows. Gimmick book. Well, there's one scene where there's one chapter that ends in a blackout. And it's like, "What happened?" And then all of a sudden, you're there in this cathedral. You can see the cuts. You can see the chapters.
JVL00:06:14Well, the author wrote it like Handel with the Messiah. The author wrote it all. All in a single setting.
Vic00:06:20That's it. In a single setting. It was convincing. That's the gimmick. That is. For people who've read the book or if it's fresh in their memory, I would say the person I related to most was the French General Joffrey, who seems to do all his war planning around meals. So that it would be like, "Well, we know where we can reach him at dinner," because he always was like, "Where am I going to be for dinner?" It was always his big thing. Even though- What book? Barbara Tuchman. Barbara Tuchman. Barbara Tuchman. Very, very good. Pulitzer. This won her the Pulitzer Prize. She's the first female Jefferson lecturer for NEH back in the day. She died many years ago. But anyway, I looked at the book and I thought, "I bought this when I was a sophomore. That was 30 years ago and it's finally done." So now I'm ready to move on to probably another book that I've lied to people about having read and I never read.
JVL00:07:16The Hardy Boys. The Case of the Red Bull.
Sonny00:07:18The Bar.
Guest00:07:19The Bar.
JVL00:07:20I never read those, by the way. By 2032, you will have closed the door on that one too.
Sonny00:07:26I've solved the case. Michael Crichton's sphere.
Vic00:07:28Solved the case. Yes. That's right. Actually, I am not going to reveal what book I'm going to read next. Oh, come on. You got to tell us so we can race you.
Sonny00:07:35No, I'm too embarrassed. I'm too embarrassed. No, I can't. You got to tell us what the next book is so we can see how many of our members can read it before you.
Vic00:07:42Oh, no. That'd be terrible because by the end of the podcast, they'll have been done reading it and I will let you know in the evening. Oh, no. You get a full days.
JVL00:07:50Oh, you get a full 12 hour head start on them because the show doesn't come out. We're taping it on Thursday night. They don't get it until Friday morning.
Vic00:07:57I did not sign up to be a part of some book club, a book club, but here we are. I was thinking of George Orwell's 1984.
Sonny00:08:04You've never read 1984?
Vic00:08:05Of course not. I've lied about it. I've lied about it right up to this moment, right up to February 11, 2021. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Amazing memory hole. You know what? Down the memory hole.
JVL00:08:17Memory hole. Memory hold it. Memory hold it. All right. Sonny, would you like to explain your get up?
Sonny00:08:23So, it has been very cold in Dallas these last couple of days.
JVL00:08:29I'm sorry, Victorino, could you describe the ... Can you paint us a word picture of what is going on with Sonny right now? Yeah.
Vic00:08:36Because I can't. Willem Dafoe Green Goblin. That's what he looks like. The Willem Dafoe Green Goblin outfit minus the mask, but the whole outfit is there. Also, what I think is remarkable is that this ... Is it green? I can't tell from the screen.
Sonny00:08:48It's green.
Vic00:08:49You have your headphones on and the hoodie around it.
Sonny00:08:52Yeah. Well, I've got my Status Audio big bulky headphones and I've got my hood on top of that. So, my head actually looks like one half of a Vic Mattis. It's one half Vic Mattis.
Vic00:09:06How dare you? One half? I think you had to one up me because I was going to say, "Wow, that meeting must fit my head," and yet it was one half. Fuck you. Thank you.
JVL00:09:16But you've got ... You've got the drawstring tied on you.
Sonny00:09:20Yeah. I got the drawstring.
JVL00:09:22You have the drawstring. So, it's almost clerical in a way.
Sonny00:09:25I've got a little bolo tie.
JVL00:09:27It looks like you're wearing like a knockoff Kermit the Frog costume or that. It's very off-putting.
Sonny00:09:35Why are you- Well, the reason I have done this is because-
JVL00:09:38Is it 65 degrees down there? No.
Sonny00:09:41No. It was ... The high today was 28. That's amazing. So, it's very cold, but you have to understand that my podcast studio that I built in the house is right next to my garage, and the wall that's next to the garage, I don't think is insulated at all because-
Vic00:09:57So, you're feeling the cold.
Sonny00:09:58So, my house is like ... My house is 72 degrees or whatever, right? We've got the heat on and it's running, but there's no heat ... There's no central air that comes into this room. There's no heating duct that comes into this room, so I am ... This room is probably, I would say, conservatively, is about 53 degrees. 53 degrees right now. It's a very cold room. Wow. I'm not warm.
JVL00:10:23You know those Dyson space heaters.
Sonny00:10:25Because I didn't ... I don't want to buy a space heater that I'm going to use like three times every four years.
Vic00:10:31Sonny, that is a great space. If you have wine, stick it there in that room. It's ideal. But the problem is it's going to get hot.
Sonny00:10:38It's going to get hot in the summer. When it's like 100 degrees-
Vic00:10:41Oh, you know what? You know what you can do? That's perfect for your giant barrel of bourbon.
Sonny00:10:46I'll bring the bourbon in here in the summer. In the summer. Because it fluctuates.
Vic00:10:50And then I'll bring the wine in here. No, no, no. Because that's why it only takes two to four years for bourbon in the white oak barrel because of the fluctuation in heat. It's very cold and very hot.
Sonny00:10:59Perfect. Yes. So that's why I look so ridiculous right now. I literally, right before the show started, I left and I put on some thicker socks to come back in here. Darn tough? Yeah. They're darn tough socks. That's all I wear when I need to be warm.
Vic00:11:13But because of the headphones and the hoodie around it, it makes it round. It's almost like a bonnet you're wearing.
Sonny00:11:18Yeah, it really does look like a giant basketball shoved into a green sack.
JVL00:11:26With hipster glasses. With hipster glasses and a beard.
Sonny00:11:29Put a pair of hipster glasses on and draw some scraggly beard on. You got me. So anyway, it's going to keep being cold. There is a low of three degrees Fahrenheit coming up in the next couple of days here. So it's very cold.
Vic00:11:43I can almost see your breath.
Sonny00:11:45I don't like it. I don't like it. I thought it was supposed to be hot. Hot here.
Vic00:11:49Texas. JVL, what's going on with you?
JVL00:11:53Well, as exclusive as the Sub-Beacon Expanded Universe is, there is a more exclusive group. You guys know what I'm talking about, right?
Sonny00:12:07The Megathread?
JVL00:12:08No, no. Much more exclusive than that. The Weekly Standard Wives Club. Oh, yeah.
Sonny00:12:13Oh, you mean the book club. The book club.
JVL00:12:15The ladies book club. The book club. Yes, that's right.
Vic00:12:1810%. 10%. I should be in that.
JVL00:12:21It's 10% book discussion. And last weekend, our wives all got together virtually, and I had the kids, and I got them to bed at 8:00, and I then had three glorious hours all to myself. Nice. I did not read The Guns of August because of our conversation with the lovely Kristen.
Vic00:12:43You know where I'm going with this, right? I do know where you're going with this. You got it.
JVL00:12:49For the first time in years, I cracked open Civilization V. Oh, five. And I played as the Egyptians in honor of KSA, and it was like going through a wormhole. I sat down at 8:00 p.m., and 20 minutes later, I looked up, and it was 11:00 p.m.
Vic00:13:02It is so amazing in the early years and how ... You know what it is? It's a great form of dieting because you will not get up to eat. You won't. You won't. It's like, "Oh, I can't eat? Fine.
JVL00:13:16We'll play four hours." Shannon had walked in. It was 11:00. It was the medieval age, and it was like 800 A.D., and I had built 80% of all the wonders in the world.
Vic00:13:27May I tell you what wonders I had built, Victorino? Tell me. This is five?
JVL00:13:32You're sure it's five? Stonehenge.
Vic00:13:34Oh, yeah. Machu Picchu. Oh, that's a good one. Money. Great Wall.
JVL00:13:39Oh, good. That's a good deterrence. Tenmeji Castle. Oh. And that's all just Thebes.
Vic00:13:44Whoa! That's all just Thebes. But it's great deterrence. You're building deterrence. That's what you're doing.
JVL00:13:50That's good. When you look at the rest of the empire, the mausoleum of Halicarnassus. Halicarnassus.
Vic00:13:55Oh, that was KSA's favorite.
JVL00:13:56KSA's favorite, and I built that just as tribute to her. The pyramids.
Vic00:14:02Were you not facing any imminent threats from anybody?
JVL00:14:08I was dominating. Oh, okay. Temple of Artemis, the national epic. I don't even get that one. I captured the Great Lighthouse when I eliminated the Germans.
Vic00:14:15Extra space. Extra movement. Extra movement. I eliminated the Germans. Oh my God. No, you need to eliminate them before they discover the Panzer. That's my recommendation.
JVL00:14:24So here's one question which we did not discuss.
Vic00:14:27Oh, yes.
JVL00:14:28And we should have Victorino. I know. Okay. Go. So when you are fucking another civilization in the ass with a splintered cricket bat over and over, like a gif, and you're just reaming them so hard that they come to you begging for peace. We'll give you 7,000 gold and 25 gold for per turn. No. Well, hold on. Do you ever say, sure, and then go and attack them the next turn anyway?
Vic00:15:03Oh, no. If you, you know, in Civ 5, you are barred from doing that. You are locked into an agreement like for how many turns, like 10 turns or something.
JVL00:15:13You can violate the agreement.
Vic00:15:14No, you can't. I mean, you cannot physically enter. Like you could draw your mouse. Are you sure about that? 100%. Because I've tried. Because in other versions of Civ, I have done that. Yeah, me too. I have taken their money. Me too.
JVL00:15:27Also, leave me alone bribes and then just attack them again the next turn.
Vic00:15:30The other thing is, and then we'll move on before Sonny drinks himself to death. The other thing is in Civ 5, if you're within that, if you're like right at the edge of a city and declare war, you will get bounced out of the border.
JVL00:15:40Oh, yeah. You got to declare war before you enter their territory. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. I was just. You just. You just. Founding the wonders. Like I was on a quest. Speaking of quests. Oh. We're going to talk about, look at this, two weeks in a row. I know. You're crushing it.
Vic00:16:00Two Apple Plus shows. You're.
JVL00:16:02Oh, yeah. Apple TV Plus, please.
Vic00:16:04Get the name right.
JVL00:16:05Is Apple. Wow. Is it? Yeah. It's Apple TV Plus.
Sonny00:16:10It's Apple TV Plus. That's what they call it. Is that the new. We got a nasty email from the FLAC, from Allied Marketing. Well, not nasty, but it was like. What? Make sure to please use the, not we. This show. We the Sub-Beacon? We the critics in the. Oh, wow. The Washington Area Film Critics Association. We got it. We got a letter that was like, I'm representing Apple TV Plus now. Please make sure to always call it Apple TV Plus.
JVL00:16:29As opposed to what? Apple TV. I would like to simply call it Apple Plus from now on. No, you can't.
Sonny00:16:33Just as a fuck you. You can't do that. It's Apple TV Plus.
JVL00:16:36I'd like to call it Mac Plus. Until Tim Cook. I'd like to Tim Cook shows up at my, at my door demanding that I cease.
Sonny00:16:42You show, you show respect to the Apple TV Plus.
JVL00:16:44We like it. I'm calling it Mac Plus.
Vic00:16:46Mac Plus. Mac Plus.
JVL00:16:49To see. So we have done on back to back shows now, Apple Plus sitcoms.
Vic00:16:55Oh my gosh.
JVL00:16:58Sonny, would you care to give us a big boy review? Cause you're the big Mythic Quest guy.
Sonny00:17:03Mythic. Well, you know who else was, was KSA. So make sure you temper anything that you're about to say with the knowledge that KSA also big Mythic Quest fan. You could see him. You could see his brain. The wheels in his head are turning. How do I, how do I work?
JVL00:17:20No, you know what? Here's the other thing. I've gotten everything I need out of KSA because I buttered her up over this week and I was like, Hey, you know what? Why don't you just give me her husband's number so he and I can, cause I'm always sending her stuff to give to Chris. And I finally was like, you know, why do you have to be in the middle of all the, just
Vic00:17:37give me Chris's.
JVL00:17:38And so I would say Chris and I were this close to putting him in a $4,000 watch within an hour of having each other's phone numbers. Yeah. So he, he goes on, he's one of my watch text buddies now. And so I mean, do I even really need Chris anymore?
Sonny00:17:55Watch text perverts. Yeah. So go ahead. Mythic Quest. Mythic Quest. Mythic Quest, uh, is from, uh, two of the creators of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Rob McElhinney and Charlie Day. It is about a, it is a basically an office, uh, sitcom. It's a sitcom in an office and the office happens to be a, uh, a, a massively multiplayer online role-playing game company. They, they put out this program, uh, they put out this video game called Mythic Quest and Mythic Quest is, uh, it's essentially a Warcraft style game, you know, with your knights and your orcs and your goblins and whatever. Um, all of this is, all of this is just, uh, you know, uh, grounds to deal with the absurdity of a workplace life, but also be internet life. And it, it's the first, it's the first show I think I've watched that actually really perfectly captures the absurdity of internet space, interacting with meatspace on a regular basis. Like, uh, just, just my, my favorite example of this is the third episode of the, the first season called Dinner Party is the name of the episode and it's the Nazi episode, uh, where they basically all, they have to figure out what to do with the Nazis who have overrun the game. Uh, and it's weirdly, this is a common problem on the internet. Lots of Nazis want to mess up lots of fun spaces for everyone. So, uh, Poppy, the Australian head programmer, uh, comes up with this idea of dinner party. Everybody can get together and talk about their differences and you know, once we all find we have our common grounds, we'll all be friends. And the Nazis of course come up and they kill everybody. Uh, and so they, then they, they, they spend the whole episode trying to figure out what to do with them. And eventually they settle on a very elegant solution, which is just put the Nazis in their own little place and shunt it off away from everybody else. Keep the Nazis not seeing each other up, but you know, save, save the rest of the day. On their own server.
JVL00:19:48On their own server. Which is a thing if you've ever played Warcraft. Right.
Sonny00:19:51That you can go on your own server and they, they put all the Nazis in one server and get everybody locked up in there. Uh, I really, really love this show because it, it, it combines the sort of, um, snarky absurdity of all it's always sunny in Philadelphia, which is probably my favorite sitcom of the last 10, 15 years when it, that came out in like 2005 or 2006 I think. Um, and, uh, it, it. And it combines that with the internet and social media and video games. And like, it is just a very, it's a, it's a perfect melding of these two things, the, the structure of the show, you know, it, it could, I, I'm, I'm sure that JBL will complain about the length of the episodes. Everything could probably be 10% shorter. Um, uh, but I love how the show is structured and the way the first season is structured is actually kind of interesting. Right in the middle, the fifth episode, there's a S essentially a standalone short film, uh, about a, a, a, an entirely different video game and video game company and how they kind of came up and were disillusioned and fell apart and destroyed themselves. And it serves as a kind of, not a reset for the show exactly, but a reset of your perspective on the show. You know, the, the, the real question is what will, what will happen to this game if the two lead creatives can't quite work out their problems and the rest of the, the show is about dealing with that. They're also a bunch of like funny little Easter eggs that come up after the, uh, the, uh, what's the name of the game dark, dark, silent, death, dark, silent, quiet, death, dark, quiet, death, dark, quiet, death, like the little, the little Roscoe guy shows up all over the show after that.
JVL00:21:35Anyway, great human resources, not human, the community gal has a Roscoe poster in her office.
Sonny00:21:42So there's, uh, there, there are all sorts of very funny little quirks and characters. We have the, uh, uh, the guy who plays cricket on always sunny in Philadelphia is like the, the nutless exec for, uh, the studio in Montreal that actually owns everything and runs it. Um, uh, Rob McElhenney, uh, plays the like head programmer guy who was like this list, like alpha bro, uh, you know, uh, King nerd type, um, uh, poppy, uh, is, is played by, I can't remember the, the Charlotte Nick Dow, Charlotte Nick Dow. Thank you. She, she is an Australian, uh, very, very amusing accent. Love it. Uh, and, and the other thing that the show has done, uh, that no other show has actually managed to do is put together a good quarantine episode. JBL, did you watch the quarantine episode? You said you had watched.
JVL00:22:31I did.
Sonny00:22:32All the episodes. Uh, it is the only show that has managed to do that. And I would contend that the only reason that this show has been able to do a good quarantine episode is because it's a show that already coexisted or mediated the coexistence of meatspace and internet space. It's a show that already takes place largely on screens. It's a show where people are already interacting with each other over phones and over, uh, over computer screens and yelling at each other on the internet. Um, and, and moving all of the action to zoom windows or whatever the equivalent they use are. Uh, I, I assume it's FaceTime actually, cuz it's an Apple TV show. Um, the, the, they actually are able to make it work and it has a like surprisingly human touch at the end. It's a very, it's a very sweet, um, again, it's sweet without being saccharine, which is the, the whole reason that Ted Lasso was good. This is also, uh, in that, that realm. So I love this show, Vic, what did you, what did, what did you make of the first, how much did you watch? First five episodes. So I got. What did you make of the first half?
Vic00:23:35I, well, let me tell you the first two episodes, I was like, eh, I don't know about this. And it felt kind of forced. It felt very NBCish and I feel like it was trying too hard, it was really hard to get into a show. Uh, another sitcom after finishing Ted Lasso, which I, you know, I love very, loved very much. And, and then the dinner party episode to happen. And I was like, wow, sorry, I'm not going to say it's my favorite, but it was really interesting.
Sonny00:24:03Vic loved the Nazi episode. It was really interesting. Very on brand.
Vic00:24:06And, uh, I mean, I laughed very hard and then, uh, and then followed by the convention episode and then of course, dark, quiet death and, and I thought, wow, uh, it really grew on me. And so I, I I'm getting it. And obviously I, the whole cautionary tale of dark, quiet death, I'm like, you know, it, it, they want to do more than just what you see. So as you were saying, it's a reset. So that's going to be very interesting for me to see what happens as it follows up on it. But I found it, I was really, really fascinated by that particular episode with Jake, what's his name? I forget. Yeah. I, you know, but it was great. And it was that Alison, not wasn't, who was the girl who plays the goth girl in that episode?
Sonny00:24:47Yeah. It's the girl from Palm Springs.
JVL00:24:49Uh, Jake Johnson and Christine Milati. Oh, all right.
Vic00:24:53Jake Johnson. Right. Okay. So, um, but, and then it really, then it really grows on you. And some of the characters, the main guy, uh, Oh, she's from Cherry Hill.
Sonny00:25:03Hey, how about that?
JVL00:25:04Kristen Milioti is from Cherry Hill.
Vic00:25:06Yeah. From your neck of the woods. Yeah. Uh, I am.
Sonny00:25:10I don't know what that means. Is that a, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Vic00:25:13It's near where Jonathan's from.
JVL00:25:15Better than Cherry Hill West.
Vic00:25:17Uh, I in grim, I'm not a, you know, his character, um, I was not a big fan and I was worried that it would be mostly about him and that he would be like, you know, like the Steve Carell focal point, but it's not in fact, uh, and so who I really absolutely love in the show is F Murray, Abraham, Murray, Abraham.
Sonny00:25:35He's so good as the George RR Martin style.
Vic00:25:37Long bottom. And, and I just, I re in some ways I very much relate to him because like in my office, I am the old man in the office and I'm just sort of. You know, I mean, I really, I, yeah, you know, kind of that and like who is telling stories all the time. I remember it. I had a lover in Cuba back in the sixties and so I, I, I, I relate to that sort of, I am closer in age to the, the P the kids who work in my office, I'm closer in age to their parents than I am to them.
JVL00:26:10You're closer in age to the grandparents than you are to them and everybody, he has such
Vic00:26:17an amazing voice by the way. Uh, and so I like that and no, I mean the show, the show really has just an absolutely
Sonny00:26:25fantastic lineup of, of side characters like the, the, the, you need that. It's absolutely the side characters in this show are all fantastic. Like Danny Pudi as the sociopathic, uh, like commerce guy, the guy who's trying to make sure that everything makes money. Joe who is the assistant to the, the, you know, the, uh, Jesse Ennis is the actresses
JVL00:26:44name.
Sonny00:26:45She's yeah. Uh. Who has like a huge crush on Ian, even though she is, uh, you know, somebody else's assistant. Um, I, my favorite character might actually be the, uh, the, the like, um, I don't know how you would describe her. Like the community manager. Sue. Yeah. The community ran manager Sue. The forgotten in the basement. Who is like, who is down in the basement and forgotten because, because nobody wants to be around her. Cause she's too like positive and peppy all the time. Um, I, I just like every, every of every one of these.
Vic00:27:12She has a very, she has a very Joan Cusack way about her.
Sonny00:27:15Yes. Yes. And her accent and her tone. Like all of these characters have their own, uh, quirks and personalities and you can get a sense of their like actual lives outside of the office, which is, uh, not always the case on a show. Like the last show I can remember, like, this is probably the office actually you, you had mentioned the office and like, this is the, that's the last show I remember where every supporting character was, uh, was, was not fully sketched out, but sketched out enough that it was like, okay, I can see this person's personality. This person's personality. It all works.
Vic00:27:49It's, it's, it's also a very relatable to lots of people. I mean, you know, there is always that divide between the side that is creative and the side that wants to make money. I mean, you know, even in the, even in journalism, there's editorial and there's marketing or there's the, the ad side, I mean, it's always two different sides and you see that in, in dark, quiet death, obviously that, that it brought them to the brink and then it broke them up. But it is interesting because you know, how long do these games last before people get tired of game? I love Diablo. You know, and got their expansion sets, you know, and what do you go from there? I guess from there, people went to world of Warcraft. I don't know.
Sonny00:28:24People do. World of Warcraft has been clocking along for what, 10, 15 years now.
Vic00:28:28I mean, it's some point there'll be something else and that, but you don't want to be that, you know, in that position. And, and also it reminded me because, you know, I had done some video game reporting as you know, when I did the story on civilization and I traveled up the hunt Valley, Maryland to, uh, for axis and interviewed Sid Meier and that world. It is a very. Um, that their offices are much more low key. You know, it's very much Sid Meier sort of understated. It's not electronic arts. That would be something if you can go and do a piece on that campus, that would be amazing anyway. Uh, so yeah, I very much enjoyed it and reminded me of, uh, the flashbacks, uh, reminded me of when I, uh, in dark, quiet death reminded me of when, uh, in 1995 when I got doom for my power Mac and I believe it was six. You had to install, did you have castle Wolfenstein?
JVL00:29:22Oh yes. Yes I did. Of course.
Vic00:29:25Pre doom. I did. And, and, and you, you, you somehow even found what the cheat code was and I don't remember how because it's like sort of pre internet, but we don't know what you play as Hitler. No, no. Where you have unlimited. What? There was that. Uh, no, there was it where it's like unlimited ammo, but in doom, uh, I actually completed that and then there was some cheat code where you can go behind the wall. And there was John Romero's head and then you can, I don't know if you ever did that. It's very cool. Sorry. George. George. Isn't it George? George Romero. John Romero. John Romero. Rockstar. Yeah. Oh, gotcha.
JVL00:30:01Gotcha. Okay. So JVL, what did you think?
Vic00:30:04Yeah.
JVL00:30:05I mean I didn't dislike it. There are, there are two really great episodes. The pandemic episode was, is very, very good. And the, uh, the episode. The episode where, uh, Ian is going to fight the masked man. Yeah. Yeah. Is, is a very good, but the whole show is, I mean it is pretty derivative. It is the office. Are you telling me I should just stop? No. No. Those are the two best episodes. Yeah. Those two episodes are still coming. Are the episodes eight and 10 I think are the two best episodes. Um, it's, it is office matched up, mashed up with Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley, but borrowing the structure of 30 rock where you've got a, B and C plots. You have sets of characters who never even really talked to each other, right? So Dana and Rachel, who are the two lesbian testers who like they sort of exist in their own space. You know, eventually Dana gets pulled into a little thing with Brad and CW, but, but they're their own story and you've got, which again is a 30 rock. Kind of thing. It's, it's fine.
Sonny00:31:18Craig Mazin, the guy who, the guy who does the, who joins them to do the testing is Craig
JVL00:31:24Mazin, who was the Chernobyl show runner and I mean my, the, the problem I had is that especially watching this back to back with Ted, Ted Lasso is really jarring because Ted Lasso is a show in which basically you're rooting for everybody. And in mythic quest, you kind of want everybody to die because every single one of the characters with the exception of Dana and Rachel, the two testers, uh, are horrible. And even one of the interesting things the show does is, so it, you know, the, the Sam and Diane or, uh, Alec Baldwin, Tina Fey relationship is the Ian and poppy. Poppy is his lead developer and he, while he is. The creative genius and you, the, the show sets you up to, to be on poppy's side. And it is at least the first 10 episodes really are her story. Like, I mean, she is living in Ian's world, but, but the first 10 episodes are her arc and her, her fight to get credit will nail, but her arc makes her less likable, not more. And because she, they're all kind of psychotic. And unpleasant and, uh, I dunno, like it, that's fine. And it can be, I actually didn't think any of it was too long. I thought it was reasonably tight.
Vic00:32:55I was going to say it's fine.
JVL00:32:56It's about 30 minutes, right? Yeah. I thought it was reasonably tight. The problem was that in 10 episodes is probably just enough. I don't know that I'd want to spend much more time with those characters though. Right. You bet.
Vic00:33:08If that's how you feel, don't watch a, a series like Succession, it's really some. Yeah.
Sonny00:33:13I mean, I like, this is, this is why I think. Okay. Uh, again, I think a better mix here is, is always sunny in Philadelphia and, uh, the office or, you know, always sunny in Philadelphia and Silicon Valley. Because I do think that like, there is a, there's a, there is, there is an edge of hatefulness
Vic00:33:32to all of the characters, I guess, but it's not like, like pooty shoe. Oh yeah.
Sonny00:33:38I wanted that kid to drive into a tree, but I mean, everybody wants to, you're supposed
Vic00:33:41to want, you're supposed to hate him and the other kid that they're trying to win over. They're like, I mean, they're so douchey and yet the sad thing is, you know, it's true. I mean, they, these, these are this, that that's a real thing, right?
Sonny00:33:54Oh yeah. You just, you just, you just hate the world JBL. That's what you hate. You hate reality. I don't think of that.
Vic00:34:00I don't think.
JVL00:34:01Well, that's also true.
Vic00:34:02Yeah. I don't think that poppy is. I mean, I, I mean, I'm thinking about the different characters. Yeah. I didn't think they're all bad. You think they're all bad? Sue's great.
Sonny00:34:09Come on. Sue's, Sue's the nicest person in the world.
Vic00:34:13No, Sue is.
JVL00:34:14I guess Sue is. Sue is okay. Yeah. Sue bought him a CW. I love CW. No. He's a fraud. Can I, I don't want, I don't want, I relate to him. Sorry. Go ahead. You shouldn't talk about people's appearances, but Danny Pudi has such a weird physiognomy or maybe like he's, he's too narrow. He looks like a cartoon character.
Sonny00:34:37Yes.
JVL00:34:38Is he the money guy? No, I mean, that's yeah. Right now it's fine. But so here's the one person I want to talk about though, is Jesse Ennis who plays Joe. So here is. He, for people who have not seen it, she is brought in as an assistant to the guy who's essentially the number three and she immediately, you can just tell there's something wrong with her. And at first you think that says she's stupid and she's not stupid. And then you think that she's a star fucker because she has no interest in serving the guy who's her boss. She's all about iron. And then the more you get to see her and she only does little bits and she's a little bit reminiscent of. The, the crazy page and 30 rock who, you know, Kenneth has no, no, no, no. So there's a female page who comes in, who Kenneth goes to war with, uh, in like season four of 30 rock who is like this and, and we, but the point is she is much more than all these things. She is like a weirdly psychotic character and the actress, Jessie Ennis does so much work with her eyes. If you watch her, she's almost always in the background of shots and she's doing these sly reaction things with her eyes and she can go from, uh, sort of funny and cloying to looking like she honestly might kill the person next to her really quick. And it's just fabulous work. I think she's just great.
Vic00:36:10I'd like to see an episode where like for poppy and it's like a, um, she's all that episode careful. That's all I'm going to say. What did it be? Great. And all of a sudden she comes down the stairs. She gets a makeover.
JVL00:36:24You're not really into Asian girls.
Vic00:36:25I'm I know, but I find her in the accent and you get bonus points for accents and it's like, Ooh, this is intriguing. Who are you? You know, it's how I feel about mystery. Yes.
Sonny00:36:35Take the glasses off. A riddle, an enigma.
JVL00:36:37There you go.
Vic00:36:38Yeah.
Sonny00:36:39I, I, and, and you clearly don't like it. You don't like the show.
JVL00:36:43I say, I say this, I don't like it enough to watch it if we weren't doing it for the
Vic00:36:46show. I saw your text and I, I, I would, for some reason I assumed that you liked it. I, I mean, I didn't dislike it. I'm in the middle. I don't dislike it.
Sonny00:36:55I'm in the middle because Sonny loves it. Did you watch it at 1.5 speed?
JVL00:36:57No. Apple doesn't give you that. Apple, of course, the legacy of Steve Jobs is he knows how fast you're supposed to watch it. You don't give people choices. Smart. Right? This is, this is the way to do it. No, I didn't. I didn't dislike it. I liked some of it. Fine. Yeah. I thought we're genuinely great.
Sonny00:37:18Uh, I was surprised you didn't have the dark quiet death episode on that, on that list of, of great shows. That is the show that most people point to as like the high watermark creatively.
JVL00:37:29It's the most, it's the most emotionally ambitious, but I think it, it's good. I don't dislike it. I just don't think it delivers on the, uh, the funny, the way those other, the other, those other two episodes are great sitcom episodes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that episode is, is good. I think it's paid off very nicely. Yeah. There's a jump when they move their way up through the years.
Vic00:37:53There's the, the, the, the, the real turning point is when you see him driving and he's on the phone and you see on the state, he's driving a BMW when you see that.
JVL00:38:03And he's great. I just think Jake Johnson is awesome. Yeah. He's really good. Yeah. He's great. I love him.
Sonny00:38:10And he's such an unconventional leading man. But, uh, he's great. I'm surprised. I'm surprised you did not find the dinner party episode to be, uh, interesting. Hilarious.
JVL00:38:17It's the best of the early episodes.
Sonny00:38:19Because I like, I was kind of like Vic after two episodes, I was like, eh, I don't know. This is, this is okay. I like, I'm going to keep watching it cause I like Rob McElhenney. I think he's very funny. Um, and, and you know, we'll see. But that, that third episode, I was just, I watched it again, like, uh, two or three weeks ago before we were even going to do this, this episode, I just watched it because I wouldn't, I wanted to watch it again and it, I was rolling on the floor laughing at a couple of the things. It just is.
JVL00:38:47I thought it was hilarious. Well, it's great that they, the humor in that comes from everybody's different reactions to the, the knowledge that their game is the most popular with white supremacists. Yeah. And you know, like, uh, Poppy wants to stage an intervention and have like a social justice rally in game. And I think Brad is like, this is great. How do we get more of them? Cause you know, they pay. Yeah.
Sonny00:39:11Is that? Yeah.
JVL00:39:13Again, I, I'm giving you this. I'm giving you an unsatisfying reaction because it's always more fun when we are like, this is the best. This is the worst.
Vic00:39:21It's like, no, I think I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll get through to the next few episodes that, you know, if you're
JVL00:39:28five episodes in, yeah, I would say absolutely watch the second five because you're going
Vic00:39:32to, you have two great episodes and, and, and, and then season two is how many episodes now? Or is it all out at the same time? I don't think it's out.
Sonny00:39:39I don't know.
JVL00:39:40It's not. Oh, I thought it was. Okay. No, this is the, the, the comedy. So the, the best. Yeah. From the sitcoms perspective, I think episode eight is the best because what happens is so poppy has gone and gotten a job, uh, she took the thing at the somebody else. And when she goes for the interview, this other office is just normal and she can't that that's actually a great episode where she understands that, you know, cause her reaction to everybody she meets is crazy and they don't understand it. And then she realizes that she's the crazy one. Right.
Vic00:40:17You know, that there, and, uh, well, you always wonder when you were at one place, what are the other places like, you know?
JVL00:40:21Right. And so, so this is the master. So the master man, they find out they have a hacker who has taken over the master man character and poppy who has basically had a psych, a psychic break, just stops fighting with iron and becomes like ions, uh, rowey id, right. And that's great. That dynamic is, is fabulous. I don't know. It's like a Sam and Diane type aspect to the poppy iron thing, which I just don't like.
Sonny00:40:52I think it is, but I, I think it is totally unrequited, uh, Sam and Diane, right? I think she is into him in a way that he is not into her.
JVL00:41:05I, I don't know. This is, so this is the, the great, the single great strategic choice of 30 rock is never even entering into the. Like the, the realm of Sam and Diane between Alec Baldwin and Tina Fey. There's never, it's unthinkable. And this may be just because the ages of the two characters, like it is thinkable, you know, and in fact, his ex-wife, his ex-wife immediately, oh, you're the new one, you know,
Sonny00:41:35assumes that she's the new girlfriend and, uh, it's certainly thinkable, but I, I, again, I think that the way, the way Rob McElhenney plays that character is, I mean, Ian is just so into himself. He's so focused on, on him and what is going on in his world that the only reason he ever acquiesces to anything that poppy wants is because it's a way to keep his company together. It's a way to like keep things going and working for him. And even, even the, you know, the spoilers for the, the, the vac, the epidemic episode, which is again, it's fantastic. You should, if you watch nothing else, you should just watch that. Um, even his. Connection with her. At the end is as much about him needing connection as it is about her. Yeah. And I, and I, again, I don't think it's sexual in any way. I think it's like, I think it's like, it's like it's, it is a genuine friendship moment. Um, that I, that I, I would, you know, I liked it.
JVL00:42:32It's very good. I liked it. I liked that moment. I mean, it's great.
Vic00:42:36Yeah.
JVL00:42:37Yeah. I'm I'm into it sort of, just not enough to kind of into it, but there is no second season. So you're caught up and that's the end of that 30 minutes and 10 episodes. It's, it's precisely the ask that a show of this caliber can make on a person. Right. Yeah.
Sonny00:42:54Right.
JVL00:42:55Right. And I think that's reasonable. Yeah. Right. And if, and if, if season two came out tomorrow and you watch, you told me, you know what? It gets even better. I would, I liked it enough to give it a try. I would, I would roll along with it.
Guest00:43:05Yeah.
JVL00:43:06Yeah. Uh, do you guys have anything more to say about this or would you like to take a spin around the block with Gina Carano? And, and Joss Whedon, both of whom were canceled this week for very different reasons.
Sonny00:43:26Sure.
JVL00:43:27And can, maybe I'll just start the bidding by saying I'm glad, I'm glad they were both
Sonny00:43:34canceled. You hate, you hate them both?
JVL00:43:36No, I don't hate them both, but they both sound like people. I mean, for people who have been deep into Buffy for a long time, uh, it was. Obvious for a long time that Joss Whedon was psychotic and treated many of the people in his workspace, especially the women in his workspace very, very badly. Whether that.
Vic00:43:57Oh, so he is not, I, I don't know anything about Joss Whedon, but you're suggesting that he's not Joss Whedon. He's not Kevin Williamson is what you're saying.
Sonny00:44:05Joss Whedon is a Joss Whedon.
Vic00:44:07Not the other Kevin Williamson, Kevin Williamson from like Dawson's Creek, not, not national
Sonny00:44:11review. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Joss Whedon is a, is a sort of stereotype that you see a lot of, and the best shorthand for it is scratch a male feminist, find a creep underneath. Um, and there, I mean, look, I, I have heard things that somebody else we know said that
Vic00:44:33and, and it was, uh, it's, oh, anyway, go Harrison maybe, uh, it was like a, somebody
Sonny00:44:38like on the left, but yeah, but the, but the, uh, I mean the, the, for a long time there, there has been a lot of rumbling about him. Um, being, uh, a not good person who I was, I'm surprised he has not been like properly me too. Not like charisma carpenter saying he's an asshole who tried to pressure me into getting an abortion, uh, bad boss, you know, trouble, but like actual me tooing.
JVL00:45:04Uh, well, I mean, so the first public thing of this came when his wife left him and wrote a big like rah, rah, rah about that. But even before that, I would say anybody who. Again, paid attention to Buffy the Vampire Slayer while it was happening. So Buffy the Vampire Slayer made Sarah Michelle Gellar's career. She walked away from it after seventh season, uh, the seventh season killing the show. She did so without telling Joss until the absolute final moment. And as far as I can tell, never, ever spoke of him or the show itself again, ever that. That doesn't happen unless like there's something. Yeah. Weird stuff happening. Right. And you saw that again and again. Eliza Dushku and Chris McCarpenter, they're just.
Sonny00:45:51Well, Eliza Dushku went back to work with him again.
JVL00:45:54I know on Dollhouse. On Dollhouse. And so did Chris McCarpenter. She did with Angel, right? This is, again, this doesn't, it's not the realm of Me Too is, it's the realm of like psychotic boss, right? If we could separate them out, right? Me Too is Harvey Weinstein trying to get women to sleep with him in order to give stuff. This means. Me Too is psychotic level. Dealing with an insane person.
Sonny00:46:16I can't take it anymore.
JVL00:46:17Boss. Yeah.
Sonny00:46:19Go ahead. Say it.
JVL00:46:21Say it, Sonny. Don't know what you're talking about.
Vic00:46:23Well, no, 'cause I don't know what you're talking about. I know.
JVL00:46:25I wasn't good at reading your lips.
Sonny00:46:26I was looking in the. I couldn't tell. JVL. Nothing.
JVL00:46:30Just keep moving. Wow. Bad boss. Bad boss, not Me Too.
Sonny00:46:34Okay.
JVL00:46:35All right. All right. So anyway, and then Gina Carano canceled for basically going into. Shit posting. Basically shit posting. On Twitter. Right? And all of these, the reason I say I'm basically pro-canceling is because one of the things that I value a tremendous amount in the workplace is the no assholes rule. And it's something which we had at the weekly standard for a very long time. And when we stopped having it, it made everybody's life much worse. Because once you let a couple assholes in the workplace, the whole thing just becomes a job. And I don't know. I really like my workplace having only people who are good people in it. And I'm sure you guys feel the same. And so I'm. I'm in favor of these.
Vic00:47:15Well, my time at the standard was always great from beginning to end. I'm just going to say that on the record.
JVL00:47:21I think that's true.
Vic00:47:22And and I was kind of amused by the Gina Carano story. I didn't know anything about her. I knew she was a wrestler and a wrestler, Jesus Christ. And then and she liked Trump. And then she got. And then I saw that it was it was a pretty severe canceling like a talent agency. What happened after that?
Sonny00:47:44I said, look, there are a couple of different things going on with Gina Carano. The first is that the Star Wars there is there is an especially woke left segment of the Star Wars fan base that has hated her for a long time, not even because of the Trump stuff. It has more to do with trans gender issues. And I'm not going to talk about that because I don't want to get canceled. But but the but she she is like vocally not like a trans ally, which angered a lot of people. So she was like kind of on the rocks already. The Trump stuff was, you know, it's another it's another. She was poking a hornet's nest and she was an anti-masker and she was an anti-masker.
Vic00:48:27But again, I there's there again, where is the crime?
Sonny00:48:30That's what I'm saying there, there, there, there was some there was some discussion that she may have already been fired or told by Lucasfilm that she was not going to be in anything going forward, like as early as October or November. Of last year. So, I mean, like I think I think there's a decent chance that she has been kind of poking the hornet's nest in an effort to create a situation in which she gets to be a bit of a martyr. Now, the anti-Semitism thing is weird because on the one hand, on the one hand, all right. So like the thing that she got in trouble to this this week and finally got canceled was she posted something like, you know, Republicans are like Jews and Nazi German, which like stupid analogy, it's dumb. She had actually but before this, like a couple of weeks before this, she had tweeted. It out an image, like a very classically anti-Semitic image that is like a bunch of Jewish bankers playing Monopoly with like lots of gold on the table and then like and then like slaves underneath, you know, hunched over holding the board up and with the caption, the caption on this image is something like, if we stand up, the game is over. And it's like she tweeted that out. And I was like, oh, oh, you know, but don't you?
Vic00:49:44That is that the story that I read did not mention that, but rather the other the Holocaust
Sonny00:49:49imagery. Right. Right. The Holocaust. I mean, the Holocaust thing again, it's a it's very much a last straw sort of thing. It's like this was this was building for a long time.
Vic00:49:56They come back. Does she come back? I mean, what happens?
Sonny00:49:59Does she come back to what? Professionally?
JVL00:50:03I mean, what happened? Well, I mean, she's not a great actress. If we could just say she's a she she has a good physicality. She's a good physicality. And so there are certain roles that she can play. Well. But on the other hand, like she's not Charlize Theron. She's not Charlize Theron. She's not a lot of things.
Vic00:50:23I don't know.
JVL00:50:24I'm sure like Maga World will pick her up as the new martyr and, you know, put her in. Maybe we should win the Steve Mnuchin's wife's.
Sonny00:50:35I can't wait to watch that. We got it. We got it. We got to do an episode on that.
JVL00:50:39That'll be hot.
Sonny00:50:40Crush the quadrants. It looks like it will absolutely crush the quadrants, my friend.
JVL00:50:44Yes. I think it's a tease. I think you're going to wind up with a big F in one of those quadrants. Spirit of the week.
Sonny00:50:50What are you guys drinking? I'm drinking Swift single malt Texas whiskey that I believe was given to me by one Jim Swift. Ooh. A noted non-asshole.
Vic00:50:59Noted non-asshole. Well, except for on Twitter.
JVL00:51:01Except for on Twitter.
Sonny00:51:02Except for on Twitter. Well, all of us are, you know.
JVL00:51:05Not me. Not me. Corrections, additions, shout outs. I would like to give one more shout out to Kristen Soltis Anderson for coming on. She was on the show last week. I thought it was great.
Vic00:51:16We forgot to ask her about her experiences working at Universal Studios because we know it. I was interested where you were going to go with that. She worked the King Kong ride and listeners would have loved that.
JVL00:51:29She was very good at that. Well, next time. Next time. Put it in our files. Do you guys have anything?
Vic00:51:35No. I wanted to say that I did end up watching, after Night Stalker, Zodiac Sunny. What an amazing movie. Just the Fincher? Yes. I loved it. It's a good movie. I really, really loved it.
Sonny00:51:50It's a little bit long, but it's a good movie.
Vic00:51:51No, that did not do well in the quadrants because it was like two and a half hours, but I still found myself-
Sonny00:51:56It's mesmerized.
Vic00:51:59Mesmerized and the whole, the journalism angle to it was really, really great and- Robert Downey Jr. Fantastic. Yes.
Sonny00:52:08No.
Vic00:52:09And it's an amazing opening. And of course it ends with you. You're the last thing in the movie.
Sonny00:52:14I can't remember this. Who's the actor? Oh, it's Jimmy Simpson. It's Jimmy Simpson.
Vic00:52:19Jimmy Simpson plays Mago when he's older. And we were watching, I was watching with Kate and she said, she goes, "Oh, it's Sonny."
Sonny00:52:26God, I can't believe you've turned Kate against me in this manner.
JVL00:52:31Okay. That's all the time we're giving you this episode. Questions, comments, complaints, compliments, tweet us @SonnyBunch, @VictorinoMattus. Leave comments at subbeacon.com. We're there. Questions? Until next time. Yeah, probably best to just take out that whole section.
Sonny00:52:56Well, I'm not going to take it out, but I'm going to- No, just take it out. I'm going to be spending all my time beeping names.
JVL00:53:02Yeah, so don't do that. Take it out. And then when people get to this part where we're talking about how we just took out a whole section, they'll be super intrigued. What was it?
Sonny00:53:12What was it? What was it? We can have that clip and we can have that for like the $50 tier, this one-man tier.
JVL00:53:21So what else you guys got? Victorino, we're creeping up on Lent there, big guy.
Vic00:53:27Oh, we are, yes. So I'm looking forward to the fish filet. That's a highlight of Lent. I'm not a big believer in giving up alcohol because- No. You know. Why would you? You know, come on.
Sonny00:53:42It's not like you like it. No.
Vic00:53:44It's not a thing that you enjoy. No, no, no.
Sonny00:53:46You can give up. My understanding is that for Lent, you're just supposed to give things up four or five days a week.
Vic00:53:50That's right. You know, actually, I could do that because if I could just limit it to one day, then it'd just go nuts. And basically, I do that. It's like Fridays and Saturdays.
JVL00:54:00What if for Lent, you gave up female Peloton instructors? Yeah. So whenever you did Peloton, it was only with dude instructors.
Vic00:54:07No, I mean, I haven't done Peloton since last March, March 2020. Wow. They shut that. So I even unsubscribed. I kept on getting their emails, and it's just nothing.
Sonny00:54:17So it's pretty sad. Oh, because you were using the Peloton in the Roslyn?
Vic00:54:20Of course. In the gym. In the gym. No. So I don't plan to do that. I'll have to figure something out. I usually give up Civilization, which is pretty hard. But yeah.
JVL00:54:31Sonny, what are you going to give up for Lent this year?
Sonny00:54:36Fish?
?00:54:37Yeah.
JVL00:54:38That sounds about right. Did you... By the way, did you guys get any sense that people stayed for Lent? For the double secret super close?
Sonny00:54:46Yes.
JVL00:54:47In the last...
Sonny00:54:48Oh.
JVL00:54:49Yes.
Sonny00:54:50I worry that people missed it entirely.
Vic00:54:51No.
Sonny00:54:52I thought we gave up on it. Several people in the comments mentioned the great musical cue at the end. Thank you very much. You kept it up? Yeah. I kept it in there.
Vic00:55:00Good for you. I thought it was too many problems. Last week's episode... There was a lot of technical glitches. A lot of technical glitches.
Sonny00:55:05Last week's episode was an enormous pain in the ass to put together. There were literally 16 files I had to stitch together to get... Get it all together. But I did it. I did it for the love of the show.
JVL00:55:16For the love of the show.
Sonny00:55:17For the love of the show.
Vic00:55:18I'd say the key is never to mention how good you look or sound or the word mesh, because that jinxes it.
JVL00:55:28Yeah.
Vic00:55:29I'm sure it's fine.
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