#6. Songbird
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The main film is Songbird, the Michael Bay–produced COVID dystopia set in a near-future L.A. where a mutated virus kills 56% of its victims and armed sanitation crews enforce lockdowns. Sonny gives the "big boy" review and JVL also watched (Vic didn't); the two increasingly-aligned hosts agree it's "not a good movie" but a genuinely interesting cultural document that captures pandemic dread the way Death Wish or Dawn of the Dead caught their moments. Sonny admires its populist, anti-authority streak (the villain is the L.A. sanitation chief who rose to power simply by being immune and outliving everyone) and its World War Z–novel structure of tiny disconnected vignettes; JVL knocks the blank male lead (should've been Colin Farrell) but is fascinated by Peter Stormare's godlike smoking enforcer. The stacked-but-wasted cast — KJ Apa, Sofia Carson, Craig Robinson, Demi Moore, Stormare, Paul Walter Hauser, Bradley Whitford, and Alexandra Daddario — draws most of the affection. The long hangout portion covers the finally-closed HBO Max/Roku deal, JVL's principled refusal to watch streaming films on anything but his computer ("they are not movies"), Vic's surprise tennis match against 75-year-old fellow Knight Al, and a big riff off Noah Berlatsky's "parents are an oppressor class" tweet that spirals into JVL's hatred of The Cosby Show (he always wanted Theo to murder Cliff) and a lengthy OnlyFans tangent (JVL insisting Daddario's character would, in reality, be richer than Bezos).
From the show notes
Vic, Sonny, and JVL talk about the first COVID movie: Michael Bay's (produced by!) Songbird. Featuring: Richard Jewell. Demi Moore. Brad Whitford. That girl from Descendants . And Alexandria Daddarioooooooooooh. Plus: A discussion of parents as an oppressor class. Plotting the murder of Cliff Huxtable. And a lot of about OnlyFans.
Full transcript
Guest00:00:00Curfew is now in effect. All unauthorized citizens must stay indoors. Tensions rise as we enter the 213th week of lockdown. A grim new reality emerges. COVID-23 has mutated. Beginning thermal scan. Thermal scan normal. A horrifying new development today. New data confirms the virus attacks the brain tissue. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm immune! I'm immune! Don't worry! Worldwide death toll rises to over 110 million. All infected Americans are being forced into quarantine camps. Department of Sanitation! And remember, stay safe, sane, and sanitized.
JVL00:00:45Hello, and welcome to another edition of The Sub-Beacon. I'm your host, Jonathan V. Last, along with Sonny Bunch and Victorino Matus. Just a reminder, The Sub-Beacon is available exclusively on Patreon at Sub-Beacon. We also have a new store where you can buy Sub-Beacon.com merchandise ranging from masks to onesies to headache shirts. Just visit tpublic.com and search "substandard" or "subbeacon." You'll probably find it at one of them. Gentlemen, how are we, Sonny Bunch? You got your HBO Max on Roku. Are you happy, pappy?
Sonny00:01:23I mean, I, I had it on Apple TV because I'm not a homeless person. Uh, I have a, I have a superior streaming.
JVL00:01:30Device, uh, the Apple TV, but you cared whether or not it came to Roku because the success of your streaming service, killing your movie theaters depended on them hitting that deal.
Sonny00:01:41Yeah. I mean, I, I, I cared in the sense that I do want HBO max to be successful because it is the best of the streaming services.
JVL00:01:47Uh, I don't want it to kill movie theaters. I want it to say people will never go out to see movies projected on screens that are 30 feet tall.
Sonny00:01:54Well, something like that. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I'm, I'm glad. Uh, that the, uh, that the HBO max Roku deal has finally gone through. So people will stop whining about it. Got whining from the people who are like, I'm on Roku. I can't watch HBO max. I'm going to watch it on my computer and tweet and email at the same time. So I don't have to pay attention to things on my computer. Um, so yeah, I, I'm, I'm glad.
JVL00:02:25You know, Sonny, it's funny you say that, but during this time of plague, I have been refusing as a matter of principle to watch any movies, which have been released directly to streaming on my television, and I have watched them all only on my computer because they are not movies and I will not recognize them as such, they are streaming content.
Sonny00:02:51Well, what about like, what about like, uh, the TV shows, what TV shows? I don't watch, uh, I mean like the, like the Queens game. But did you watch that? I don't know. People seem to like that.
Vic00:03:02Everybody loves that. Everybody loves it. Even I haven't seen it yet. Or, uh, everybody, everybody's telling me.
JVL00:03:10I don't think that would hit your quadrants very well.
Vic00:03:13That's okay. We can be something different every now and then. Uh, while you're having this discussion, uh, I, I know JVL, you are drinking the bourbon that, uh, I was supposed to have bourbon because it's, it's not in a, uh, it's not in a. A soda bottle that, uh, contains orange flavored beer. It is rather that, that color.
JVL00:03:36Wait, what's on that glass there? This glass was given to me by the Ridge runners, a Marine battalion who, uh, brought me out to speak at, uh, at the two, two, uh, camp, the camp, the what's, what's the one out next to La Jolla Pendleton Pendleton. Out of Pendleton. At a Pendleton, uh, anyway, so I, I don't want to jump the script. Victorino is in fact bourbon and I got one sip down. Do you know why you don't have this fine bourbon sitting here?
Vic00:04:14Yeah, because, because my, my wife is Irish and you know, she forgets things. That's, that's what, that's what they do.
JVL00:04:20The Irish. I was very happy to see that you let her borrow the car with the autopilot when she came to my house this weekend. Oh, she's fine. I. She's fine.
Vic00:04:30She's fine.
JVL00:04:30It's not like, it's not like I made a big thing when she came in. I was like, this is it. You have to take this home with you. Don't forget. It's right here. You have one job. Just can I, can I tell you how not surprised I was that she forgot it? Cause I just knew, I just knew it. So glad, happy for you. Happy Victorino. How are you? Oh, don't worry. I won't drink much of it. You and I will see each other again and I will hand it off to you and it will still be here. Let me hold it up. It will still be.
Vic00:04:59Well, I don't want to jump the script. It looks fantastic. I want to hear all about it at the end.
JVL00:05:04We'll talk about that at the end. Yeah.
Vic00:05:05Victorino, how are you? I am. I am good before this. It's hard to believe that, uh, you know, what am I about to say? Because it's snowing now. But, uh, last Sunday I, for the first time in maybe 10, more than 10 years played tennis, not, it was very informal. It was very informal. Did not expect to was not expecting to, um, I had gone over. Uh, you know, to see my nights, did the rosary. And then one of the guys I'm walking out, I'm wearing t-shirt. Remember how warm it was on Sunday.
JVL00:05:37So I was wearing, I do your, your wife and all of your wives were over. Oh, that's right.
Vic00:05:42That was later on that. Was that Sunday? Oh, I was at it before it was the, uh, Saturday, right. Whatever it was, but it was warm.
Sonny00:05:48I just love, I love, I love the phrasing there. All of your wives. It sounds like Vic has a harem. We missed the lovely, the lovely Beth Bunch was missed.
JVL00:05:58You were all missed.
Vic00:05:58You were all missed. The bunches are on this.
JVL00:06:00So, uh, but it was like in the, no, no, I'm not sorry. Victorino. I said the, the lovely Beth Bunch. Yeah, I missed, I missed, I missed Sonny.
Vic00:06:09Uh, so, uh, it was like mid sixties, I think. So we were finishing up and one of the guys says to me, well, and I, who is an avid tennis player says, well, I know you, uh, you know, it looks like you're heading off somewhere, but it's too bad. Cause I brought some rackets. I thought we could hit around. So I said, well, I don't know. I'm wearing my, you know, my, uh, slip-ons, you know, that that my boat shoes, whatever you call them. I don't know what they are. No, no penny. No, but they, you know, it was like swayed, whatever it was. And so I wear them with my shorts and I said, well, let's just Johnston and Murphy's yes, Sonny, did you have socks on? No, you know how weird that, you know, you know, you know what I'm talking about? No, I understand. I don't go like it is Arlington. So, uh, then I said, let me, uh, let me just see what, what, what, uh, what rackets you have and he has the big, the big racket bag that you could fit a whole bunch of rackets in there. The whole, the whole deal. And so I said, well, this is great. Why don't you give me the worst racket here? So at least I have an excuse if it turns out that, you know, cause I, you know, like you have, I haven't held a racket, you know, what did he hand you? What, uh, what, um, I think I took, um, um, I think I took a Wilson. It didn't, he had one that looked almost like a wide body, but it's like where it's post wide body now. So it's not ridiculous. Remember the old ones that are, that were, I mean, those things were ridiculous. So I took one. That was hammer.
Sonny00:07:30Yeah, hammer. Yeah, that's right.
Vic00:07:32And remember the Prince, the Prince thunder stick. That was what I had. Uh, so anyway, I still have your pants.
JVL00:07:38I still have, it was blue.
Vic00:07:43So, so I said, okay, let's go. So we go over to the court. And I said, well, I said, I, you told him, I said, Al, it's been a long time. Cause that's okay. We'll just hit a little bit. So we start hitting, he goes, we can hit close up then, you know, like mini tennis. But as soon as, but as soon as it started happening, then I started to hit further. And then he immediately back to the baseline. I went to the baseline and then we just started rallying and it was fan. And it was weird because it helps that I run so that I'm not exhausted. And there is a weird muscle memory that comes back with the, with the motions. And it, it, it was just, it was fun. And then, and then we, we weren't taking, we weren't keeping score, but then I said, oh, why don't you just serve a couple? And he had maybe one fault or two faults, like everything was going in. And he was hitting the corners. He was hitting the corners. So I started and I got a couple of my servers in and then next thing, you know, it just, you know, your instinct just kicks in and you're just, I'm like, I ran, I rushed, I rushed to the net, you know, a little volley action. Of course I, you know, Mr. Forehand smash. I fell, I do a whole tumble job when I do that, you know, so a lot of laughs. Um, and then I thought, well, cause he's clowning, he's cloud. I do it. I make all sorts of sound effects, you know, to throw them off. Which is like all these things came back to me, like all my various tennis tricks of the trade to annoy people. And then, and you know, yelling and.
Sonny00:09:03To Vic losing 6 0 6 0 that's a scoreboard.
Vic00:09:07So, so, um, and, and, and then, uh, and then I said, well, okay, we're, we're, he's a little bit older than me. So I said, okay, let's, uh, uh, you know, I think that was good. I gotta get, I got stuff to do. And he goes, oh, he said, had enough. And I said, oh no, what Al? No, I haven't had enough. We'll play some more. And so we went on and on and then I think, and it culminated. In a terrific rally where I rushed, there was some volley action with the two of us. And then I kind of let him win. I think I kind of let, you know what I did? My strategy was a lot of drop shots because, uh, he couldn't get to them. I forgot to mention Alice 75, but, uh, I, I did a lot of, and I said, I.
Sonny00:09:46It's actually in a wheelchair.
Vic00:09:47And I said, yeah, you try to rush the net now, Al. That's what I said.
Sonny00:09:52How do your knees feel now? He goes crashing into it, just right into the, that's my point. That's my point.
Vic00:09:58I, he really, he really is in his seventies. Uh, and, but it was, it was, it was an even fight. I think, I think that I was, I think I was going easy on him. That's what I think.
JVL00:10:08Did it go to a, did you wind up having to finish it on Tuesday night? It just, in that fifth set, you just kept trading games and games. Oh yeah. You know, nobody could break the other.
Vic00:10:17Well, you know, the fifth set tiebreakers, you can't just win.
JVL00:10:20You don't play a tiebreaker on the fifth set in Arlington.
Vic00:10:23You got to go Arlington.
JVL00:10:23You've got to win by two games in Arlington.
Sonny00:10:25They don't play under the lights and they don't play a fifth set. That's right. Right.
Vic00:10:29It was very tricky on the, uh, on the grass court. Um, but I will blame, I will blame a, I slid on one shot and then finally, like you just like, then you're just like, I'm just full on swinging. At first you're just like chip shots. Yeah. I'm like slicing and stuff like that. And then it was just like when the ball is coming fast and then you just, then you're just going for it and it was very exciting. I was dripping sweat. I don't think Al broke a sweat, but I was dripping sweat.
JVL00:10:55Were you tempted to play barefoot?
?00:10:58No. Have you ever done that?
JVL00:11:00No, but I cannot imagine playing in boat shoes with no socks. It was a little scary. I would have felt probably more sure footed bear. I, my concern in both shoes and socks would be just like slipping and turning an ankle, destroying your ankle. I don't know. I don't know if, if, uh, Al might have been purposely just hitting it at
Vic00:11:19me rather than trying to make me go the full cross-court action. Whereas I try to, I don't know, I don't know. I try to make him run.
JVL00:11:29So I have a question for you guys, cuz all three of us are former high school tennis players.
Vic00:11:36That's right. Did you play for your high school? Sonny?
JVL00:11:39Oh yeah.
Sonny00:11:39Yeah.
JVL00:11:40Sonny was a good tennis player. I believe Sonny is the best of us. Vic, you the second and me the distant third.
Sonny00:11:45I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe back then, but I literally can't serve now because of my shoulder, cuz I, I blew it up playing basketball. Uh, but the, I like, I, I can't, I can't the last time I, I played tennis, I went back to my high school to like, do, uh, to teach kids how to do lobs because I was the fucking king of lobs. I, I could lob the ball on the baseline every time.
JVL00:12:08Everything king size bitches.
Sonny00:12:10I was just, I was, I was so good. But like, but I, I, uh, this was after I had, I had hurt my shoulder and I went and was doing the lobs and then I was like, all right, and then you rush up the net, you know, cuz he's on his heels and going to the baseline and you smash whatever he brings back and I, I, I went to do an overhead smash and I literally dislocated my shoulder on the court and had to like, uh, sublocked it's not quite. What's that? When was this? This was, oh, I mean like 2004 or five, I mean, a long time ago. That's like, that's literally the last time I played tennis. Cuz I was like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. Like Martin literally, I think that I literally cannot do it anymore.
JVL00:12:49Did you ram your shoulder into the net? He ran against the net hole.
Sonny00:12:54No, what I, what I, at this point, the, the shoulder was so, uh, loose in there that I could just kind of pull it down. And it would, it would go back in. I eventually, I got, I got surgery like six months later to fix it, to fix it.
Vic00:13:07Well, that really is a bad that's that's career ending.
Sonny00:13:09Yeah. I had a career ending, uh, basketball injury. That's worse than Monica.
Vic00:13:14That's worse than Monica Salas.
Sonny00:13:15It was literally worse. I was actually called the Monica Salas of our, uh, team. They were like, this is horrible, painful. What's been going to you is horrible.
JVL00:13:25Well, so I, I would just like to posit this to you. Guys, my experience with coming back to tennis after layoffs of more than a year, which is all that ever happens to me anymore, is that the first day back, you are way better than you think you should be. And then the second day back, you revert to exactly as badly. And there's something about going out right away, you know, for the first few hours that you're back, cause you're not really thinking about it and that's right. But then once you. The next session you go out, cause this is what Chris and I do, right? So my buddy Chris and I like head up to Philadelphia. We like, you know, play tennis for three days. And on the first day we're always like, ah, this is okay. This is pretty good. And then day two, it's just like, oh yeah, that's right. Cause now we're thinking about everything and it's not just pure muscle memory now.
Vic00:14:14Yes, I could not, I can't, I, I I've gone through a long stretch where I just can't hit a normal forehand anymore, unless I'm not thinking about it, right? So like somebody is hitting, I have to chase a ball cross court and then then I'm hitting it fine, normal. But if I'm like, okay, here you go. I'm going to feed you a ball, you know? And then the only thing in terms of muscle memory, the backhand, I mean, I'm a lefty. I don't know. I find it easier. I do a two hand backhand and, and the serve, the serve was all muscle. I think you just remember how to do the serve, which is the thing, except for, um, I just hope I get it in the first, because my, I have a second serve, uh, where I switch up the grip and either it works or it does it and not Western grip on your kind of like, yeah, I mean, it, when it works, it really works great, but it requires, it requires confidence to do it.
Sonny00:15:03You do a slice.
Vic00:15:04Do you do a slice here? You know, where you hold, you, you switch the grip on the edge like this. So it's what I do.
Sonny00:15:10It, that's what I do all the time. Just like this, that, look at that action.
JVL00:15:13So that's fast. That's fast. So, uh, gentlemen, can we discuss the tweet that Sonny sent us? Yeah, Monday Santino, would you like to set this up or would you like me to set the table for us?
Sonny00:15:28You'll never believe this, but somebody on Twitter was being a dumbass. Somebody on Twitter has been, uh, I forget. Do you actually have the tweet in front of you? Do you have it right in front of me? I do not. Could you, why don't you read it to the, to the group, somebody who I have never heard of before, maybe you know, one of the worst people on Twitter, who is he? He's a, he's a 50 year old who writes like a 20 year old.
JVL00:15:50Ooh, I have to say, I was surprised that this guy is 50. Mm-hmm he tweets with no appropriate capitalization. Parents are tyrants. Parent is an oppressive class like rich people or white people. Fantastic. I gotta say, I think he's basically right.
Sonny00:16:15Well, I mean, the thing is he's, he is right, but it's good. It's good oppression. Children should be oppressed. They should have no rights. Children have no rights.
Vic00:16:24They're terrible decisions. They make.
Sonny00:16:26They make terrible decisions. They have no, they have no ability to reason. Uh, and look, most people don't have an ability to reason, but at least they get to 18 and you're like, well, I guess we gotta let them do whatever they want. Uh, but children don't have that excuse and it's, and it's good to oppress them because they're morons.
Vic00:16:42And, and they have no appreciation of hard earned money. I said, you know what? I said, you know, all of this costs, you want this, you want that it costs money. And look at me, I have a Patriot thing. That's how I get things done. You know? I put food on the table. I put food on the table. Thanks to Patriot.
JVL00:16:59You should tell your preteen daughter that if she wants money, she should get a Patriot, only fan, only fan, you know, I, uh, no, I mean, if children, if children,
Sonny00:17:10uh, don't like, uh, living under an oppressive society, then they should run away and join Fagan's mob. That's my, that's my opinion.
Vic00:17:20Wow. Is that, is that a Dickens reference there? Uh, good movie. Um, I was going to say the, well, what did, did this guy have it all, uh, an alternative solution? Like what was his, what was his thing? No, don't have kids or what?
Sonny00:17:38He doesn't have an alternative solution. He just thinks that like children should be able to, uh, scorn their parents more easily. So JBL, you, you say he's right. And what would you, or what? And, and you, you tied this back to the Cosby show. Yeah.
JVL00:17:52Okay. Go ahead. I hated the Cosby show. Like I can't. I can't even begin to describe how old were you when the Cosby show was on 10, you were, you should have been the age to love it.
Sonny00:18:03So like 10 to 20 was basically when, when the Cosby show was on for you.
JVL00:18:08No, it was probably on from like seven to 16 or something like that. Um, and because in the Cosby show, the kids were always giving Bill Cosby
Guest00:18:21giving him some, it's okay.
JVL00:18:26And his response was always, how much money do you have in your back pocket? Because the answer was always, well, I'm a child. I go to school. I don't have any money and you're a doctor and physicians as Victorino Mattis can tell you get paid a lot of money and he has to bounce back. This insurance really, you will do what I say because I have money and you do not have money and people need money to live.
Sonny00:18:53This is, it's important that children. Learn how the world actually works as soon as possible.
JVL00:18:59And I basically always wanted Theo or Rudy to murder him in his sleep. That's what I wanted. Uh, and, but it underscored to me exactly what the essence of bad parenthood is. And bad parenting is parenting that relies on brute force instead of enlightenment and reason, right? The. Reason your children should listen to you is because you're right. Not because you have money and they do not have money. That's a bad reason for your children to listen to you, right? This is, and so the important point that Noah Barlatsky, the biggest asshole on Twitter was basically making was that all parents should understand the insane amounts of power that they weld over their children and so should strive to be enlightened. Despots and to wield it for good and not for ill.
Sonny00:20:00Of course you should wield it for good. We all wield it for good, but you still have to wield it false. Well, I mean, we, the Royal, we, me, uh, also, also maybe you JBL. I don't know about Vic.
JVL00:20:13I'm not sure about his, his parenting, but so anyway, I have, unlike you people, I have a lot more sympathy for kids with shitty parents and, uh, and so I, you know, I
Vic00:20:25think, I think we're not shitty Claire and, uh, and, uh, Bill, did he go by Bill?
JVL00:20:32Bill, Bill was a shitty parent. Claire was not Claire Huxtable was a lovely lady.
Vic00:20:36He went by, was it Bill Huxtable?
JVL00:20:38No, no, Dr. Huxtable, right? Cliff, Cliff. No, you're right. It was Cliff Huxtable. Sorry. Thank you. I never even watched this show.
Vic00:20:46I like the show until, well, here's the most important part. Okay. This is the important part that people should remember about the, the, the point of this conversation is. I liked the Cosby show until they jumped the shark when Rudy got too old and they brought in a new little girl. And then I switched over and in protest, I watched a new, I do. I do. I like that a little bit different world, different world. I like that with her and, uh, Jasmine, Jasmine guy. Uh, no. And I protested by watching a show on ABC called, it was a news show called our world with Linda Ellerbee and I did that because I just got so angry about the Cosby show. Not being as good as it used to be.
JVL00:21:29That's really, that was poochy, right? That was literally the Cosby show bringing in the same thing.
Vic00:21:34When they brought in Danny Cooksey, it happens every show. Uh, and, uh, no, uh, I, I liked only cost at Lisa Bonet. Uh, who did that angel heart. Oh boy, here we go across the quadrants with a little bit of a twist in the end and, you know, a little disturbing, but never the less great perfs across the board.
Sonny00:22:00All right. Variety checking in.
JVL00:22:02Yeah, no, really. I, I think parents, you can think of them like a virus. Speaking of viruses, there's a movie on the internet called songbird, which you can rent for only $20, $20. Did anybody see songbird this week?
Sonny00:22:21I saw songbird.
JVL00:22:22I saw songbird. I saw songbird. Did any. Did anyone else see it? No.
Sonny00:22:29Oh, Sonny. People are going to stop. People are going to stop subscribing to the patron. I don't get a gene. I don't know. Gene appearance here in the next week or two.
JVL00:22:40Santino, would you like to give us a big boy review?
Sonny00:22:44Songbird is best described as the Michael Bay COVID movie. Literally, he he produced it. He produced songbird. Songbird is not a good movie. Exactly. But it is an interesting movie in the way that a lot of cheapo, quick exploitation movies can be interesting insofar as it captures a lot of the angst and paranoia of the times. So Songbird is it's about America. I don't know, four, four or five years in the future. COVID has mutated. It is now much deadlier instead of ninety nine point nine eight percent of people surviving. Fifty six percent of people die or something like that. They give they give numbers. It's bad. It's a bad disease to get. It attacks the brain, not just the lungs, the brain. You don't want your brain attacked by COVID because then you die. You die. And so in this dystopian near future, we all on all of our smartphones, we have to check in to make sure that there is no virus. Apparently, all of our smartphones have infrared sensors now and can sense the temperatures on our faces, which is fine. You know, no big deal. Those few people who are immune to the virus are called munis. It's a bit like muti from from X-Men there. It's it's one of the many little derivative touches in this picture. And one such muni is the courier who was played by some guy who I don't know. The two leads in this movie, a the male courier and a girl who he falls in love with. I don't know who either of those people are.
JVL00:24:19Vic knows who she is.
Sonny00:24:21I don't know who either of those people are.
JVL00:24:24Dead. Yeah, it is. All right. Evie from Descendants.
Sonny00:24:28OK, come on. Come on, guys. But the cast is, aside from them, stacked. Craig Robinson from The Office. Demi Moore from Striptease. You've got Peter Peter Stromar from John Wick 2 and Constantine and all sorts of movies. Don't forget Brad Whitford. Bradley Whitford from The West Wing. I always feel like he's plagued himself.
Vic00:24:56I always feel like he's plagued himself.
Sonny00:24:58We'll get to that in a second. Paul Walter Hauser, best known as Richard Jewell. I love him.
JVL00:25:05Is there anybody else who's Victorino?
Sonny00:25:07Of course, our number one seed in the Victorino Matus rankings. If JBL and I were to draft a list of people who would be drafted first by Mr. Matus. Well, number one would be. Number one would be. Number one would be Emma Watson. But number two would be Alexandra Daddario.
Vic00:25:26You're bigger on her than I am. And I appreciate it. I know empirically that she's great. But there are other people ahead of her on my list, including Lily Collins. We had this discussion already.
Sonny00:25:41So anyway, the whole kind of the behind the scenes of this movie is much more interesting than the movie itself. The movie itself is about the courier trying to get a little wristband to let his girlfriend out of lockdown to say that she is also immune from the virus. I don't care about any of that. But the backstory on this is much more interesting. It was shot. It was shot in, I think, March, April and May. Or it was written in March and April, shot in May and June. It was one of the first movies shot in Hollywood after COVID hit. It was shot in lockdown, more or less. They really didn't have the safety protocols and procedures and all that. To the point that SAG-AFTRA had them shut down for a couple of days because they were like, what is going on? Here are people aren't safe, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, the movie itself does a fairly credible job of capturing several things. And one of them is the villain, Peter, Peter Stromar. I can never storm air storm air. Yeah. Peter Storm air of the VW GTI commercials. He, he plays the essentially the head of the sanitation department of Los Angeles. And in this dystopian future, the sanitation department. Uh, department has been armed with automatic weapons to make sure that people, uh, with the disease are not caught outside that everybody is obeying their lockdowns. Um, and there's a very funny bit in this where he talks about how he became the head of the sanitation department. And it is essentially seniority. He, he was working in the sanitation department as a truck driver and people kept dying. People kept dying from COVID. So he kept getting promoted up and up. And because he was immune, he outlived everyone. And so he just rose to the top of the mountain. He rose to the top of the ranks by surviving. Um, and it's, it's, it's a very funny, I don't know. I think it's a very funny comment on the nature of, uh, municipal services in general, but your mileage may vary on that. Um, and also it's just about, it's about living in lockdown and the kind of like fear that generates and also the importance of it. And also, you know, what, what it does to people. I like, I, there, there are a bunch of interesting little touches in this. Um, The, the funniest of which I'll get to at the end, I'll, I'll, I'll spoil, I'll, I'll talk about the actual end of the movie in a little bit. We can, we can have a little more spoiler free chat again, not a good movie, not a good movie, but it is one that, uh, I think credibly captures some of the, you know, it captures the zeitgeist in a way that death wish captured the zeitgeist in a way that, uh, you know, dawn of the dead captured the zeitgeist. I think there's. I think there's something to it, um, that will allow it to be looked on, uh, by future generations as like an interesting document.
Vic00:28:33If nothing else, Victorino quadrant analysis duration was a plus, by the way, that's an hour, 30, an hour, 34 minutes.
Sonny00:28:45It was 84 minutes. It wasn't even an hour. Yeah.
Vic00:28:47I guess that includes credits. Yeah. That was great. Plot is a plus because, well, we know what's going on. It's pretty. It's pretty straightforward and you have bracelets, uh, you have the Lance Armstrong brace. Who knew the Lance Armstrong bracelets would save you? Uh, um, the violence was, you know, I mean, there's some action in it. And, and then the, uh, sex nudity quadrant is a B plus only because I got angry. And I, I told you Sonny and JVL, we should have watched that movie, lost girls and love hotels.
JVL00:29:15How, how did it get to B plus?
Vic00:29:19Oh, that brief scene with her, with Alex. But otherwise, again, you could have seen, we could have seen her in a movie where she's into Asian guys. That's all I have to say. How many of those movies are there?
JVL00:29:36I thought the two rate above, uh, an F on the scale. You need to have some nudity. Do you not? She had issues to have no nudity automatically puts you at a failing grade on the quadrant. I saw her, but if I could, if I could just spend a moment to digress here for everybody who is not going to pay $20 to see this movie, by the way, it's $20.
Sonny00:30:05Wait till it's on Netflix or Hulu or something for free.
JVL00:30:09In, in this movie, Alexandra Daddario, uh, has decided not to make a bazillion dollars working as a cam girl. Instead, she's just going to sing songs on YouTube for free. And she's got a great voice.
Vic00:30:22Is that really her voice?
JVL00:30:23By the way, only fans does not exist in that, in this, because let me tell you, if Alexandra Daddario was on only fans, she'd be making $30 million a month. That is simply a fact. Anyway, so she's an artist. She's a serious artist. She, uh, she gets into super freaky deke lingerie so that Brad Whitford can come over to bang it out with her. And what he wants to do is he wants her to take her mask off. He doesn't want to take the lingerie off. He wants her to take her surgical mask off because it's about ownership.
Sonny00:31:01JBL.
Vic00:31:02It's not about not only that, but neither of them, neither of them were sick.
JVL00:31:05So it gives a lot, you know, that is the single most implausible thing I have ever seen depicted on film.
Sonny00:31:12Well, that's just because you're all about the masks.
JVL00:31:14You know, you're, you're, you know, it's an outrage for you. I don't know. No, no, no. What I'm saying is any heterosexual man put into close contact with sexualized Alexander Daddario, who says, Hey baby, take off the mask.
Vic00:31:27No, no, no. I assume they did. I assume they did everything.
Sonny00:31:30I mean, I don't think it stopped at that. I don't think, I don't think he took off her mask and was like, Oh, that's good. All right. Bye.
Vic00:31:37I think, I think he did. Oh no. Full on.
JVL00:31:42I think for him, no, see, that's your misunderstanding is kink. He wasn't there for the sex. He was there for the mask freeness of it.
Sonny00:31:51No, he was. I agree that.
JVL00:31:53She more says to him, she's like, I think you like going out there.
Sonny00:31:56I agree that that is his kink. I'm just saying, I don't think it stops there. I think it does. I know.
JVL00:32:01I know the guys who are into women stepping on fruit, right? You know, like they just want to see the women step on fruit like that. They don't want everything else. They just want the crush videos.
Sonny00:32:11Don't know anything about that.
JVL00:32:12Yeah. Okay.
Sonny00:32:13I don't know anything about the fruit crush videos. No, I, but I, I, I think you're right. I mean, look, the, the whole, the whole, the whole point of that is like, I, I want to make you do something that will make you feel unsafe. I want you to like, as a turn on, I want, I want you to, I want, I want to like own you and take ownership of you.
Vic00:32:36The whole thing is the whole thing. The whole thing is it's a sham. It's a shame.
?00:32:40Yeah.
Sonny00:32:40The whole disease COVID-24. 23 is not real, man. 23 COVID-23. Just keep it.
Vic00:32:46You like the real, I like it.
JVL00:32:48I gave it an A.
Vic00:32:49I gave, I gave, I gave an A from me. The real, the real, the real, the real enemy, the real villain in this movie is, I guess, Eric Garcetti and Gavin Newsom. Are you, because you always hear things like my order of the County of Los
Sonny00:33:05Angeles ending lockdown. See what they did.
Vic00:33:08They have you tracked down where you are required to do the temperature check.
Sonny00:33:13Yeah. And then they shoot you.
Vic00:33:14If you don't do it like as if I love that. I love that. How they were building suspense with what's her name? Sophia Carson's aunt. Oh, I wonder if she. Has it. I'm like, yeah, pretty sure. Pretty sure it's bad.
Sonny00:33:29She's got it. I, uh, no, I mean, again, it's not, it's, it's like, again, it is, it is keyed to all of the like anger and fear that we are feeling in society right now.
Vic00:33:40Michael Bay's point of view.
Sonny00:33:41There's a, and from, from a, from a Michael Bay kind of populist point of view. I like, I think it's actually like a weird, and it should be, we should make it clear that Michael Bay did not write or direct this movie. Cause it sure looks like it's 100% edited like a Michael Bay movie, which I think has more as, as much to do with the fact that they had to do everything with handheld cams with like,
Vic00:34:04although I will say the cuts were still not as bad as, uh, Armageddon Pearl Harbor, where it's like four seconds, four seconds, four seconds. Yeah.
Sonny00:34:15Yeah.
Guest00:34:15I, uh, I, yeah, I know.
Vic00:34:17Very fast. That's what people did.
Sonny00:34:19It's not a, it's not a good movie. It's not a good movie. Um, but there, there is something to it. There's something to it.
JVL00:34:27Was this movie essentially crash on COVID? Oh, you know,
Vic00:34:35I've never seen crash. No, no,
JVL00:34:38because they're walking stories of people in Los Angeles together and they come together and how they live today and the social problems around them.
Sonny00:34:47But it's not about racism. Like crash is very explicitly about racism and like how it's bad.
JVL00:34:52It's about muni is, it's about racism,
Sonny00:34:54anti munites, anti muni, anti muni sentiment. Yeah. Brian would approve JVL. What did you think of this movie?
Guest00:35:01Uh,
JVL00:35:03God, it's, it's weird. You and I are aligning more and more over the last several weeks. Uh, no, it's not good. And I didn't like it, but it is an interesting cultural document. Exactly. As you said, there are things that could have been better about it. Uh, whoever the absolute. Nullity who was cast as the male lead was, it should have been Colin Farrell. Yeah. But just cast somebody like Colin Farrell. You need somebody younger.
Vic00:35:32He's old.
JVL00:35:33If you want, it doesn't have to be younger, right? I mean, it could be somebody old, but just somebody who's got something going on behind the eyes. You know what I mean? That guy was like an underwear model or something. It was just total blank. And you know what? Sophia Carson is a fine little actress.
Vic00:35:46Like she was great. She was great. I wanted to see more about what happened after they, they escaped. I wanted to see more of what happened.
JVL00:35:53What did they do? What did they do when they got to big sewer? What did they do next? But she's fine.
Vic00:35:58And I, you know, honestly,
Sonny00:36:00if I do for days, just what did they do for days and days?
Vic00:36:04I'll break the drone like Paul Walter Hauser.
JVL00:36:07If I could have had more of any of these characters, it would have been Demi Moore's character, who is the only one who has an arc. Actually, nobody else has an arc, but, but she does. And I would have Demi Moore.
Sonny00:36:21We should Demi Moore plays essentially a, a, a fixer for rich people. She gets them immunity bracelets so they can go on. Is that what excursions outside of the city?
JVL00:36:31And it is unclear how she does this. So she, her husband is a former record record executive who doesn't seem to know anything. And she somehow has connections to either the underworld or to the sanitation department, right?
Sonny00:36:50She, well, she has like a box of those bracelets. I don't know. But I think that Bradley Whitford and that guy were working together to get her the bracelets, but she, her whole world is just like rich liberals, right? Her whole world is like rich, you know, conservationists and stuff. Like I think one of the guy mentions going on the Rhino excursion or whatever. And like, and again, this gets to a very, a very key and very frustrating part of the whole COVID experience, which is the idea that while, people like Gavin Newsom and, you know, rich, rich progressives are telling everybody, you got to stay at home. You got to, you got to sacrifice. We all got to lock down there. Meanwhile, like on their private, on their private jets, on their vacations, getting out of town, going, get meeting up with people. It is again, it, it's, it is, it's an interesting little tidbit of an idea that's not really teased out properly. It's just kind of there.
JVL00:37:50Yeah. So that's actually the, the most interesting, the most interesting choice in the movie is the choice to not tease out anything. I mean, the, the movie doesn't really talk about anything before or anything that comes after. It, it really only looks at a, this very pointillist moment, right? And, and it, it is totally content to not explain to the audience anything outside of the six little stories it's telling you. And actually, I don't mind that. I think it's, it reminded me in construction actually of the novel version of World War Z, so World War Z is the book is really interesting because the, the choice that Max Brooks makes is to tell it to not tell us everything, but instead to have it be an oral history where he just bounces around between a slew of like 50 different characters that we is fictionally interviewing. And each of them is telling their own experience of the zombie apocalypse. And that is what this is. It's, we got 60, six different people who are, who we're seeing through their eyes, their different experiences. And the, the movie really keeps the audience with blinders so that we can't see anything outside of their six experiences. And I like that actually, I thought it was a, an elegant way to attack a story, which otherwise is simply too big to have in a movie without airbrushing or abstracting. And so I, I kind of admired that. Just as a, as a conceit. No, Sonny, you were staring at me like you think this is the stupidest thing ever.
Sonny00:39:29No, I think that's basically right. And what it, the way they do this is by mimicking again, how we live now, people talking to each other on video screens, people, you know, having very brief in-person interactions or somebody going to somebody's house and talking to them through a gate or through a door. Again, mostly through video screens. It reminds me a little bit of like the unfriended movies, or searching or, or stuff like that, where you, you have this kind of point, you have an explicitly computer based point of view. And it tries to kind of meld that with the idea of also seeing all of those people living their lives separately from each other. If that makes sense. I mean, like it, it, it, it's an interesting kind of point of view experiment. Again, I don't know that it works entirely.
JVL00:40:20I don't think it works even halfway.
Sonny00:40:22I don't think, I don't, I don't think it works entirely. And I think that like, you know, the, the, the story is so slight, it feels stretched out even at 84 minutes. It's not, it's not a,
Vic00:40:33are there no other courier businesses out there? What happened to Amazon? That's what I wanted to ask. Apparently Craig Robinson's business is the only one.
JVL00:40:41I did wonder about Lord Bezos. I thought to myself, boy, things must be really bad. If Amazon,
Vic00:40:48you don't see any other drones except for his. I mean, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's interesting. And I mean, it looks like, you know, 28 days later, the opening scenes there, you know, where there's nobody on the roads. So, I mean,
JVL00:40:58it has one big idea in it and it, it confines this big idea to like a 45 second exchange with Peter Stormare in the lead where Stormare is explaining how he has figured out that those who, who are immune are as gods. They're no longer men, which is true. And it is interesting that Stormare is a smoker. Yeah. Who, who, and he said, you know, somebody says, why do you smoke? And he was like, cause it's nice to have something that can still kill you because he feels like a God. He feels like an immortal because there's death everywhere around him and he walks through it unscathed. And that was kind of an interesting idea. And I,
Vic00:41:34I could watch that guy. Do you, do you think that when he, when he takes on a role, there's somewhere in his contract says, I don't have to do any other acts and I'm just going to do my own thing because I can never figure out if he's trying to do a Southern accent or if he's just being his, his, his Scandinavian self.
Sonny00:41:48I think you basically hire him with the expectations. That that's how he's going. No matter what. I mean, really,
Vic00:41:54it really is the same thing. And I, but I did think, I mean, that was really interesting. And I think, and, and Demi Moore, I agree. I like Demi Moore a lot. She looked great for 75. Oh,
JVL00:42:05you know? Yeah, no, it was, it was fine. Can I ask what does the title songbird have to do with great question? That's a great question. Great question. No idea. Cage.
Sonny00:42:23Something about cage. You should know. You should know.
JVL00:42:28Because I could not have done that at all.
Sonny00:42:33How would I know? That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a deeper thing. I don't know. I don't know. Writers are weird, man. Who knows?
JVL00:42:40Now, all I'm going to say is, again, the most unrealistic thing in this movie is the fact that the pandemic would reduce somebody like Alexandra Daddario to being penniless and living in a motel when what it would do as if you guys have been paying attention to the rise of only fans, which is something I just read a long piece.
Vic00:43:02And I didn't know all of this was over my head, by the way, I'm just watching.
JVL00:43:06So only fans is this website was real. Think about it's Patreon, but for porn. And so it was expressly for porn. And so this is where porn has gone. And it is, it's reasonably new. It's only like two years old. I think it's never gotten any VC money and it's four times the size of Patreon. It's gigantic. If it were to have an IPO and go public, it would be a unicorn. It would be the size of slack or something like that. It's, it's, it is a billion dollar company that is just out there in the mists because it's on.
Vic00:43:41I need to venture out beyond whitehouse.com, I guess.
JVL00:43:46And this is, it's a very interesting business story because what they've done, they just signed, to lean into the idea that porn is this big thing. And as zoom and many of these other companies have found in the pandemic, the pandemic has simply accelerated their growth by a decade within the span of a year. And that has happened in only fans now. And there was again, the, my, the, one of my favorite newsletters is this thing on sub stack called the margins run by a guy in tech and a guy in finance. They did a big look at only fans because it's really interesting as a business. And there are, you know, girls working on only fans who, who would have been fourth tier porn performers who are now pulling in 150 grand a month. And it's because of the pandemic, because everybody's trapped inside and whatnot. And again, Alexandra D'Addario in a pandemic that confined everybody to their, to their homes for three years would be richer than Jeff Bezos. So,
Vic00:44:41so she was, so she's in the movie, she's on the site, but she's playing music.
Sonny00:44:46No, but she's, she's just on like YouTube playing music.
JVL00:44:50Playing music on YouTube from her little motel room, just penniless, wondering how she's going to make ends meet.
Vic00:44:55And did we explain to our listeners Bradley Whitford's role about how he teased her into like, oh, I'll get you a contract soon. Oh, I'm getting, I'm getting divorced.
Sonny00:45:04I want to talk about this. I actually want to talk about this a little bit. So, so I, there, the other like kind of fascinating mishmash of ideas in this film, and they're not even really ideas. They're just pictures or images. You have, you have Bradley Whitford playing a, a corrupt Hollywood executive who uses his power to your lure young women to Los Angeles for sex. Right. And the way he meets his end and against spoilers in this spoiler, spoilers are coming. The way he meets his end in this movie is Paul Walter Hauser. Again, Richard Jewell sends his American flag painted drone, the symbol of freedom, wrapped around another symbol of freedom, the drone to into the air to Alexandra Daddario's apartment where he murders or kills in self-defense, whatever, you know, but he kills Bradley Whitford, a.k.a. the like slimy progressive, a.k.a. also the good progressive from the West Wing with with a single shot to the head, just blows his head right up after while he's assaulting Alexandra, Alexandra Daddario, a.k.a. America's Sweetheart. I again, like I'm not sitting here suggesting that the writer director like planned all of this out, all of these little connections that I'm making, but the esoteric reading on this is very interesting and like will serve as like the semiotics on this will be studied for 20 years, not 100 years, but like maybe 20 years.
Vic00:46:43What are we sure JBL?
Sonny00:46:46Do you do you would you do you do you have a rebuttal to my question? I theory that the American flag drone murdering the West Wing actor at the hand by the hand of Richard Jewell does not have some sort of special resonance around these names.
Vic00:47:00Like in this moment,
JVL00:47:02second only to Matt Damon as Dr. Man being murdered on the ice planet interstellar. Yeah. No, I don't think there's all that. I will say I don't like I don't like seeing Brad Woodford is a bad guy. I like him too much.
Vic00:47:19I think he's always a natural fit for him to be like this.
Sonny00:47:24Like ever since ever since. No, ever since Billy Madison. Yeah, that's right. Billy Madison. Billy Madison. Get out. And now Songbird. No, he's a fantastic. But yeah,
JVL00:47:38I usually a great cycle of white hair. I don't like seeing him with white hair at all. That's because that is a reminder. I just. Yeah, well,
Vic00:47:46I just I just especially I just. Yeah, I just saw. Not to get off track here. Speaking of white hair, a trailer for Loki and Owen Wilson has white hair. And it's like, wow, you have to check that out anyway. Oh,
Sonny00:48:00he's always had like he's always had like super blonde.
Vic00:48:03This one is like full on. Like I don't know if they had to make it more white to make him look older. But in any event, yeah, I I wasn't sure if I who to be if I should be rooting against Bradley Whitford in this movie or not. I wasn't sure if he was. Well, he's living your dream. I have her just where I water. Yes, that's that's really she, you know, trapped in that hotel. She's not going anywhere.
JVL00:48:29You know where I go to her. She didn't even have to be in my house. I just go to her hotel.
Vic00:48:34It's a motel, too. It's like a terrible, terrible motel. It's yeah.
JVL00:48:38OK. All right. Gentlemen, can we do move to spirit of the week, please? Yeah. Are we done with the songbird? So our spirit of the week comes to us. From our friend, Luis Segarra. It is Wheeler's Raid strength bourbon whiskey, a store exclusive. And I don't know if this has all sorts of handwriting on it. That was aged five years and two months. And there is on the older side for. There is a batch and bottle number. And this is batch number one bottle. Twenty five. Is this looking watches? Where when it's a limited edition, you want a certain like. Does that mean anything?
Vic00:49:24No, I mean, if it's if it's the first, if it's first batch of this particular product, that's very regardless. It looks show us. Let me see that on the screen here. That is absolutely gorgeous. What is the proof on that JVL?
JVL00:49:40Fifty three alcohol volume. A hundred and six proof,
Vic00:49:45which is why you have it water back or a lot of ice. I texted you.
JVL00:49:50No, I said. Sonny, no, you said neat.
Vic00:49:55You said drink it straight reply.
Sonny00:49:56No, I didn't.
Vic00:49:57I said put ice and you should to let it breathe, especially if it's over a hundred proof.
Sonny00:50:03But I said over ice is fine. Literally, I'm reading it right now. Over ice is fine.
JVL00:50:08Well, I should have done it. I would like to read you a brief note from Luis and his lovely wife, Lisa, who wrote in with this. Gave us Christmas card, which is lovely, but also had listed their top five favorite show moments. Oh, number five, Sonny wanting Uber to have an option for the driver to not talk. It came true. JVL's woke weighted Oscar voting. Number three, the candy draft. Number two, the bitch slap fest. That was the fire festival. And number one, his favorite moment ever. Vic going to the stadium and having to pee face to face in a trough.
Vic00:50:51Oh, is that most people's favorite? I think that was Mr.
JVL00:50:55And Mrs. Sagara. Thank you. That was wonderful. I also have a question, a spirit of the week question for you guys that has come in to me through Shannon, who got a query from tank daddy in Nashville asking what libations people should drink to celebrate the relaunch, the glorious rebirth of the sub beacon. So if you were going to recommend to people what they should drink to celebrate our shows, triumphant return. Well,
Sonny00:51:27I would do a, go ahead, Sonny. Are we talking about just, just, just a straight liquor or like,
Vic00:51:32what would you drink? What are you drinking right now? Sonny?
Sonny00:51:37I made myself an old fashioned. That's what I usually make pretty quick. It's just three ounces of a, it's three ounces of Buffalo trace with about a T a teaspoon of simple syrup. And a orange peel and a lemon peel. And you twist them and get the oils in there, mix it all up, throw a, throw an ice ball in there to keep it cool. I would. And some Angus. I would,
Vic00:52:00I would recommend a Vic Mattis martini, which as you know, is a three parts, one picture. I mean, that's the most math I know, by the way, is how to, you know, the ratios and how to multiply and things like that. It's a little tricky, little tricky, but you know, for one drink for one drink and, and a normal size martini glass, not the TGI Fridays, you know, goblet. It would be three parts, three parts, Plymouth gin, one part Dolan or a very, or some comparable dry vermouth. And you put it in your shaker with ice, stir it for like a minute. And then you strain it. And then you, by the way, you drop, one drop of orange bitters, stir that you strain that into your glass. And I'm sorry, clockwise or counterclockwise either way. And you can either do three olives or a twist of lemon, a lemon twist rather. I would, if you're drinking Hendrix gin, it's usually a, a, a lemon twist because it, the botanicals are cucumber based and it kind of clashes with olives. So there you go.
JVL00:53:21Victorino, you may not believe this, but I actually knew that Hendrix is cucumber based. How did you know that? You know, you bought a, but I bought some Hendrix or somebody wants. Yeah. All right. Corrections, corrections, additions, shout outs.
Vic00:53:34Do you want to say a shout out to all the people, all of our fans and friends who have been going to the, uh, Sub-Beacon, uh, store and getting the merch. Uh,
Sonny00:53:44I love seeing those teas. I love seeing those teas. It's very, it's, it's very, um, uh, uh, affirming. It's life affirming. When I see those, it makes me not want to snuff it for one more day.
Vic00:53:57So you don't want that to happen. So please keep buying the stuff.
JVL00:54:01Should we like start an Instagram hashtag where people post pictures of themselves and their teas?
Sonny00:54:09I don't, I don't really use Instagram. I'm barely on Instagram. So if you want to figure out how to do that,
JVL00:54:14I think Ryan Kinney doing that, it would be essentially the equivalent of Michael Fassbender. Posing in a substandard tea and nothing.
Vic00:54:24I was going to suggest a, a, a sub-beacon, a wet t-shirt contest would be fun.
JVL00:54:31That's all the time we're giving to this episode. Questions, comments, complaints, compliments. Tweet us at Sonny Bunch at Victorino Matus or leave a comment.
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Vic00:55:03That was jazzed up. Speaking of Bill Cosby, I was reminded of when you were talking, I was reminded of the great onion headline about anonymous donor gives $30 million to Temple University for a new center to discredit rape allegations.
JVL00:55:26That's pretty good.
Vic00:55:27That's very good.
JVL00:55:28So I, I have a, do you guys have anything? Cause I have something, but it's, it's not big.
Vic00:55:35I'll do my small thing. And then, and then my small thing, Sonny and JVL is, uh, I was looking at the journal, uh, the other day in the, uh, not what do you call it? It's, it's not, not review the off duty, but maybe it was review section. And it was an interview with Steven Soderbergh. Cause he has a new movie coming out or has come out and yeah. And one of the things was, is, you know, like, Oh, when he gives tips on like how to, how to do filming with this new, you know, the new small cameras, phone cameras, digital cameras. And all I can think of was, you know what? Here's my advice. Watch high flying bird and do the exact opposite.
Sonny00:56:17Oh, what?
Vic00:56:19One of the worst movies we've ever watched in my opinion for the show.
Sonny00:56:23It's not, it's not, it doesn't look bad. You were just bored. It was,
Vic00:56:26it was awful. It was awful. And you, but I, but the Sonny Bunch reply is always, but well, it's interesting. As soon as I see interest, skip it, skip it.
JVL00:56:33It's got ideas. He doesn't have any ideas at all, but what it does have is it made Zazie Beetz a star. And she was obviously a, she was already,
Vic00:56:44wasn't she in,
Sonny00:56:45she was in Deadpool 2 before that.
JVL00:56:48No, no, no, no, no,
Sonny00:56:49she had 100 she had 100 already shot deadpool 2 by the time she was in high flying bird i believe
JVL00:56:56high flying bird was the first release what were you gonna say i was gonna so so i again i've read like three only fans stories in the tech press over the last week obsessed and why i i'm sorry i'm interested in technology as somebody who works in technology and when i was looking at the the fire hose of money coming into only fans and i was reading about what some of the performers on only fans are making per month yes sonny deadpool 2 deadpool 2 came out in 2018 high
Sonny00:57:34flying bird came out in 2019 really yeah high flying bird came out uh in between deadpool 2 and joker uh those two movies combined to make two billion dollars um and and high flying bird did not i would say that either one of those could be defined as the movie that
JVL00:57:51made her a star okay well i thought she was great in high flying bird even with the last movie anyway the point is what i wanted to posit is one of the highest paid actresses in hollywood today is emma watson i think she makes 20 million dollars a film or something like that she does not could she make more on only fans than she does in movies
Sonny00:58:17uh possibly i mean she certainly does not make 20 million dollars a movie uh there's
JVL00:58:25post beauty and the beast that's not what she pulls in oh no i thought she and jennifer lawrence were the two top absolutely working in there jennifer lawrence jennifer lawrence
Sonny00:58:36got 20 million dollars for passengers uh or maybe like 18 million dollars or something like that um but like uh no emma watson uh does not get that sort of money because all
?00:58:47of her box office films are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies
Sonny00:58:47are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood
?00:58:48uh jennifer lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer
Sonny00:58:48lawrence's movies are made in hollywood uh jennifer box office success is based on the
?00:58:49box office success is based on the
Sonny00:58:49box office success is based on the property she's in either uh beauty and
?00:58:51property she's in either uh beauty and
Sonny00:58:51property she's in either uh beauty and the beast or or the harry potter movies
?00:58:54the beast or or the harry potter movies
JVL00:58:54the beast or or the harry potter movies okay so whatever she does make could she
?00:58:56okay so whatever she does make could she
JVL00:58:56okay so whatever she does make could she make more on only fans
?00:58:59make more on only fans
JVL00:58:59make more on only fans from vick
?00:59:01from vick
Vic00:59:01from vick if i had that kind of money but i don't
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